CON bonus abuse

[DwarvenWarCorgi]

One player at my table, through a combination of being a half dragon gold dwarf, rolling nearly perfect for attributes during character creation and spending a couple of his ability increases has a natural 30 for a CON score. He's already taken a couple levels in Deep Warden (getting CON to AC); what else is out there to abuse a ridiculously high con? Character is Crusader/(some ToB prestige)/Deep Warden, we use all official 3.0/3.5, some Green Ronin d20 stuff (case by case and only if we have a physical book).

Thanks all.

In case anyone's wondering, he has nearly 300hp at level 19.

[PraxisVetli]

Steadfast Determination, from PHB II, lets you use Con for Will saves, which in my experience, tanks usually are low on.
Endurance as a prereq, though.

[liquidformat]

Fist of the Forest is a slightly better choice for con to ac since it is in addition to dex instead of in place. Though suppose it is a toss up between having dex or armor in the end...

Anyways there is a guide for doing this floating around but I can't find it right now my googlefoo is failing...

[Telonius]

The "X stat to Y bonus (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?125732-3-x-X-stat-to-Y-bonus)" thread mentions a "Hammer of Earth" from Magic of Rokugan. Looked it up quickly (page 66 of that book); apparently it's a specific magic item, a +1 Warhammer that adds your Con bonus to damage. (Doesn't say if it's in addition to the usual Strength to damage, or if it replaces Strength to damage). And of course there are the Diamond Mind maneuvers that let you substitute a Concentration Check for various saves.

Most of the other uses for high Constitution that I know about involve Hellfire Warlocks not needing to worry about binding Naberius, and qualifications for high-level Incarnum things.

Being able to hold your breath for 6 minutes straight without making a check is probably good for something. Faking your own death maybe?

Minor perk, it would make hitting the appropriate Concentration check for casting defensively a lot easier to do.

[Trandir]

Wait how did he got 30 Con?

18 base
2 racial
4 stat increase
2 half-dragon

This gets you to 26 there are 4 point missing?

Also is he at lv 19 with a LA +3 template?

[Rynjin]

Wait how did he got 30 Con?

18 base
2 racial
4 stat increase
2 half-dragon

This gets you to 26 there are 4 point missing?

Also is he at lv 19 with a LA +3 template?

At level 19 I'd expect a +6 belt of +stats, much less a +4.

Also at level 19 I don't think having a bunch of HP is a huge deal.

[Trandir]

At level 19 I'd expect a +6 belt of +stats, much less a +4.

Also at level 19 I don't think having a bunch of HP is a huge deal.

A natural 30 Con probably doesn't include magic items.

Also the OP asks for other ways to use this bonus beside the HP

[Rynjin]

A natural 30 Con probably doesn't include magic items.

Also the OP asks for other ways to use this bonus beside the HP

Maybe I misunderstood the context. He was asking for other ways to "abuse" the high Con; I figured he had a negative opinion of the Con SAD build the player was using and wanted to know what options to watch out for/preemptively nix or evaluate.

[wunderstruck]

Wait how did he got 30 Con?

18 base
2 racial
4 stat increase
2 half-dragon

This gets you to 26 there are 4 point missing?

Also is he at lv 19 with a LA +3 template?


Ability Tome, dude.

[DwarvenWarCorgi]

I thought it was half dragon it might be something else dragonish, he definitely bought off one LA with xp, I know that.
Hes looking for ways to exploit it his high con. Fist of the forest looks cool, but not worth it for a dwarf in Mithril mechanus gear.
And it is probably 30 with some item, not natural; although the dm does allow 1 for 1 point swap during character creation, he may have moved a couple.

[MaxiDuRaritry]

Lost Tradition (Con) from Bastards & Bloodlines? He's not a muscle wizard, he's a stamina wizard! He can go All! Night! Long! And all day, too, for that matter.

I'd suggest getting a psychoactive skin of proteus so he regains HP as though he's rested for 8 hours as a standard action. Combine with the Rapid Metabolism feat (from the Expanded Psionics Handbook and the SRD (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/psionicFeats.htm#rapidMetabolism)), and he never has to worry about getting HP-healed from an outside source again. (Unless he is knocked unconscious somehow.)


Rapid Metabolism [General]
Your wounds heal rapidly.

Prerequisite: Con 13.
Benefit: You naturally heal a number of hit points per day equal to the standard healing rate + double your Constitution bonus. You heal even if you do not rest. This healing replaces your normal natural healing. If you are tended successfully by someone with the Heal skill, you instead regain double the normal amount of hit points + double your Constitution bonus.

[DwarvenWarCorgi]

Maybe I misunderstood the context. He was asking for other ways to "abuse" the high Con; I figured he had a negative opinion of the Con SAD build the player was using and wanted to know what options to watch out for/preemptively nix or evaluate.

No, he wants to max his gain from having a high con. I'm also a player, this entire campaign has been a good-hearted arms race vs the GM, I usually research myself, but didn't have time today and games tomorrow and we're pretty close to hitting 20, so I figured I'd ask the playground.

Thanks for the handbook link Telonius, bookmarked.

[Calthropstu]

If the gm is open to it, there's a feat from pf called fast healer. You get +con bonus on all magical healing. Then get a ring of regeneration and...

[DwarvenWarCorgi]

All the healing stuff is good. But party wise, weve already got healing well covered. Thanks though.

[Calthropstu]

All the healing stuff is good. But party wise, weve already got healing well covered. Thanks though.

It wouldn't just be healing, it'd regeneration of 16 hp/round. That's better than a troll. A little more con optimization and you are virtually unkillable.

[The Viscount]

Poison Healer from FCI is a pretty fun feat, especially if you use alcohols which are statted up as poisons. Or of course to borrow from trouserfang dwarf use an animal companion.

[RNightstalker]

Depending on the build, Dwarf Paragon and Stoneblessed will net another +4 CON if you've got the levels to invest.

[Blackhawk748]

Fist of the Forest is a slightly better choice for con to ac since it is in addition to dex instead of in place. Though suppose it is a toss up between having dex or armor in the end...

Anyways there is a guide for doing this floating around but I can't find it right now my googlefoo is failing...

Or you could do both since they stack.

[RNightstalker]

Or you could do both since they stack.

Do you even need to worry about stacking since one ability replaces the DX bonus and one is a flat addition?

[Blackhawk748]

Do you even need to worry about stacking since one ability replaces the DX bonus and one is a flat addition?

No, but some people seem to think that they wouldn't add together and I don't know why when its fairly explicit. Frankly I think the Player should go for it cuz thats a 30 AC right there.

[DwarvenWarCorgi]

No, but some people seem to think that they wouldn't add together and I don't know why when its fairly explicit. Frankly I think the Player should go for it cuz thats a 30 AC right there.

Building a new character, I'd agree, but fist of the forest probably isnt gonna happen this campaign. With +2 Mithril heavy armor he has, con bonus from deep warden, bonuses from persisted haste and mass shield of faith hes at 52ac already (I think).

[RNightstalker]

No, but some people seem to think that they wouldn't add together and I don't know why when its fairly explicit. Frankly I think the Player should go for it cuz thats a 30 AC right there.

I can see both sides of it honestly: like I mentioned above, and then others would argue it's simply trying to stack the same bonus with itself.

[Blackhawk748]

I can see both sides of it honestly: like I mentioned above, and then others would argue it's simply trying to stack the same bonus with itself.

Except its not. One is an actual bonus that goes on top and the other simply replace what you use to calculate it. That's it.

In any event the PC in question has enough AC and wouldn't really benefit