EndlessKng
2019-09-13, 10:17 PM
So there are the ubiquitous tricks of using Uncanny Trickster and Legacy Champion to extend prestige classes - i.e. stretching theurge builds out, Hellfire Warlock, and so on. But I just realized something, and I want to see if my understanding works:
If you rule that you can extend a prestige class past their cap, even three-level classes, progressing those features which logically can progress (I have read that there were arguments against that, but it seems to be widely applied), could you build a character to exploit the Uncanny Trickster to extend it, then after getting three levels in it, use Legacy Champion to extend Uncanny Trickster, thus extending the original class AND getting bonus tricks and Favored Tricks?
Rationale: Per the Uncanny trickster, the added level of features occurs for each level after first; it doesn't reset if you theoretically could find a way to extend it. The Bonus Trick and Favored Trick options are pretty much every level, so there's no reason they wouldn't continue. So, by applying the benefits of LC to UT, you would continue to advance in UT, gaining skill tricks, and thus extending the class it's applied to. You'd potentially miss 3 levels of features, but it's still a way to get levels beyond anything intended, plus a ton of skill tricks, and if you can find a Legacy worth it, a few legacy abilities.
In action:
Start with Wu Jen 1 and Precocious Apprentice to start with a second level spell. You can use other arcane classes, but I want to avoid using any "adaptations" right now to keep it as "by the book as possible." Wu Jen comes with the Ancestral Spirit and a free metamagic feat.
Go to Wu Jen 2. Pretty basic.
Take Binder 1, and the Improved Binding feat.
Grab Anima Mage - you can get the skills easily enough, have the binding, and have the spellcasting thanks to precocious. And, Wu Jen gives you the metamagic feat you need to qualify. Advance it for 10 levels; by 13th, you're casting as a 12th level arcane caster, and binding as an 11th level binder.
Grab Uncanny Trickster through three. You'll lose out on one level of each thing, but you're still pretty high up - by 16th, you've progressed Anima Mage to an effective level of 12, and thus have Wu Jen casting at 14 and Binding at 13. You also gain three free skill tricks and made three favored
Grab Legacy Champion 4. You lose one more level of abilities, but gain three more tricks, favored three, and have an effective Anima Mage level of 15. That gives you Binding at 15th level - not the highest, but still pretty good - and more importantly casting as a 17th level wu jen, getting 9th level spells in addition to binding.
If you rule that you can extend a prestige class past their cap, even three-level classes, progressing those features which logically can progress (I have read that there were arguments against that, but it seems to be widely applied), could you build a character to exploit the Uncanny Trickster to extend it, then after getting three levels in it, use Legacy Champion to extend Uncanny Trickster, thus extending the original class AND getting bonus tricks and Favored Tricks?
Rationale: Per the Uncanny trickster, the added level of features occurs for each level after first; it doesn't reset if you theoretically could find a way to extend it. The Bonus Trick and Favored Trick options are pretty much every level, so there's no reason they wouldn't continue. So, by applying the benefits of LC to UT, you would continue to advance in UT, gaining skill tricks, and thus extending the class it's applied to. You'd potentially miss 3 levels of features, but it's still a way to get levels beyond anything intended, plus a ton of skill tricks, and if you can find a Legacy worth it, a few legacy abilities.
In action:
Start with Wu Jen 1 and Precocious Apprentice to start with a second level spell. You can use other arcane classes, but I want to avoid using any "adaptations" right now to keep it as "by the book as possible." Wu Jen comes with the Ancestral Spirit and a free metamagic feat.
Go to Wu Jen 2. Pretty basic.
Take Binder 1, and the Improved Binding feat.
Grab Anima Mage - you can get the skills easily enough, have the binding, and have the spellcasting thanks to precocious. And, Wu Jen gives you the metamagic feat you need to qualify. Advance it for 10 levels; by 13th, you're casting as a 12th level arcane caster, and binding as an 11th level binder.
Grab Uncanny Trickster through three. You'll lose out on one level of each thing, but you're still pretty high up - by 16th, you've progressed Anima Mage to an effective level of 12, and thus have Wu Jen casting at 14 and Binding at 13. You also gain three free skill tricks and made three favored
Grab Legacy Champion 4. You lose one more level of abilities, but gain three more tricks, favored three, and have an effective Anima Mage level of 15. That gives you Binding at 15th level - not the highest, but still pretty good - and more importantly casting as a 17th level wu jen, getting 9th level spells in addition to binding.