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Yeril
2007-10-14, 03:00 PM
Im playing a goblin Cleric who specialises in Undead controling and such, hes very low on the Str and low on the con, meaning as a safeguard ive animated a nice skeleton ogre with a +1 shield of arrow catching, meaning if you don't have magic to tackle me with, you ain't getting me with arrows, which leaves you the option to go toe to toe with mr mashy here.

However thinking along the lines of spells, I realised that Command undead, a low level spell can turn my big bad suped up skeleton against me.. without a save.

And having a big bad melee monster to protect me in melee isn't good when he turns on me.

Is there anything I can do to stop/protect/avoid/defend from this happening?

CrazedGoblin
2007-10-14, 03:03 PM
protection from alignment??

PlatinumJester
2007-10-14, 03:05 PM
The get a wand of control undead so that if it does happen you will be prepared.

Sornjss Lichdom
2007-10-14, 03:05 PM
there is a spell in SC that lets you hide from undead. I think it's like shroud of death or darkness, and it's relativly low level.

Driderman
2007-10-14, 03:17 PM
Um... Turn/Rebuke undead?

Miles Invictus
2007-10-14, 03:50 PM
Hide From Undead is a first-level, core cleric spell, that makes you invisible to undead. It lasts for 10 min/level. It ends under the same conditions as invisibility.

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/hideFromUndead.htm

Nitpick:
Command Undead is the 2nd-level spell. Control Undead is the 7th-level spell.

I know various splatbooks have an Undead Leadership feat and an Awaken Undead spell. The spell would reduce Command Undead to a charm effect, while the feat would ensure that the skeletal ogre stays in your service after being awakened.

Solmage
2007-10-14, 10:56 PM
I wonder though, wouldn't protection from good and protection from evil render that skellie immune to control from anything but a neutral caster?

Thinker
2007-10-14, 11:07 PM
I wonder though, wouldn't protection from good and protection from evil render that skellie immune to control from anything but a neutral caster?

No. Any protection from X spell makes the target immune to all forms of control.


...Second, the barrier blocks any attempt to possess the warded creature (by a magic jar attack, for example) or to exercise mental control over the creature (including enchantment (charm) effects and enchantment (compulsion) effects that grant the caster ongoing control over the subject, such as dominate person). The protection does not prevent such effects from targeting the protected creature, but it suppresses the effect for the duration of the protection from evil effect. If the protection from evil effect ends before the effect granting mental control does, the would-be controller would then be able to mentally command the controlled creature. Likewise, the barrier keeps out a possessing life force but does not expel one if it is in place before the spell is cast. This second effect works regardless of alignment....

Irreverent Fool
2007-10-14, 11:29 PM
No. Any protection from X spell makes the target immune to all forms of control.



I'm not really sure that'd work. Command and Control Undead are necromancy spells and since undead don't have minds, I doubt you could really qualify these spells as 'mental control'. You may just want to ask your DM, but I think by the RAW the protection from alignment spells wouldn't help you.

Please correct me if I'm wrong. :D


Second, the barrier blocks any attempt to possess the warded creature (by a magic jar attack, for example) or to exercise mental control over the creature (including enchantment (charm) effects and enchantment (compulsion) effects that grant the caster ongoing control over the subject, such as dominate person). The protection does not prevent such effects from targeting the protected creature, but it suppresses the effect for the duration of the protection from evil effect. If the protection from evil effect ends before the effect granting mental control does, the would-be controller would then be able to mentally command the controlled creature. Likewise, the barrier keeps out a possessing life force but does not expel one if it is in place before the spell is cast. This second effect works regardless of alignment.