is there a Debuffing necromancer class out there?

[Voidstar01]

I don't want to do all undead raising since it clashes horribly with being a harper, I've read the revised necromancers handbook, but it doesn't really go in to using necromancy as debuffs. Do you guys know anything?

[Zaq]

Just a basic wizard or sorcerer can do exactly what you want. There’s plenty to do with arcane necromancy that doesn’t involve minions.

[PoeticallyPsyco]

Dread Necromancer into Dread Witch is a classic for fear-debuffing, though if you're not interested in raising the dead you can bail from DN a lot earlier than is usually recommended and fill the extra levels with other prestige classes. Hang on, let me track down Caedrus' fear handbook...

Here we go (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?389244-Caedrus-Art-of-War-vol-1-Fear-Handbook). Complete with base classes, prestige classes, skills, feats, and spells, plus a few sample builds.

[Voidstar01]

Just a basic wizard or sorcerer can do exactly what you want. There’s plenty to do with arcane necromancy that doesn’t involve minions.

Ya but just staying 1 base class seems... boring.

[Asmotherion]

Well you could use Necromancy without touching Minionmancy with a Regular Caster.

Most spells that are considered bad mojo have the Evil Descriptor attached to them. Depending on your DM that may be enough to prevent you from going down the moral axis.

Necromancy is generally considered taboo though. And you are medling with forces that are inherently evil (energies and entities from the Negative Energy Plane) on almost all cases. RAW it's not the case but it's highly suggested that using Necromancy frequently does influence your alignment and that a Good character would avoid it. Nothing prevents a Neutral Necromancer though.

On your build you can always focus on Metamagic through some PrC (there are some neat Necromancy themed Metamagics such as Fell Drain). Or you could go Mage of the Arcane Order for a wider spell access.

[Voidstar01]

Dread Necromancer into Dread Witch is a classic for fear-debuffing, though if you're not interested in raising the dead you can bail from DN a lot earlier than is usually recommended and fill the extra levels with other prestige classes. Hang on, let me track down Caedrus' fear handbook...

Here we go (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?389244-Caedrus-Art-of-War-vol-1-Fear-Handbook). Complete with base classes, prestige classes, skills, feats, and spells, plus a few sample builds.

Charisma is my dump so not super great, I was mostly planning on using spells like ray of exhaustion on people. Still interesting idea to use dread witch abilities to turn spells to fear effects and get +2 on the save DC.

[Voidstar01]

Well you could use Necromancy without touching Minionmancy with a Regular Caster.

Most spells that are considered bad mojo have the Evil Descriptor attached to them. Depending on your DM that may be enough to prevent you from going down the moral axis.

Necromancy is generally considered taboo though. And you are medling with forces that are inherently evil (energies and entities from the Negative Energy Plane) on almost all cases. RAW it's not the case but it's highly suggested that using Necromancy frequently does influence your alignment and that a Good character would avoid it. Nothing prevents a Neutral Necromancer though.

On your build you can always focus on Metamagic through some PrC (there are some neat Necromancy themed Metamagics such as Fell Drain). Or you could go Mage of the Arcane Order for a wider spell access.

I'm pretty sure it's mentioned in either complete arcane or complete mage that neutral necromancers are the least common since you are generally either so set on doing good things that you stay good, or aren't and turn evil. It also specifically allows good necromancers so that's nice, and neither of my main planed spells, ray of exhaustion and Opalescent glare, are evil. (opalescent glare is actually good).

[Zaq]

Arcane casters generally don’t have to worry about alignment.

Pretty much any general-purpose full-advancement PrC will work equally well for a necromancy-focused wizard or sorcerer as for a conjurer or whatever other typical specialty you have in mind. Maybe luckstealer, if you don’t mind being a halfling? It does lose a CL or two, but it’s got a neat debuffing focus.

Fiend-blooded is a reasonably good choice for a spontaneous caster.

[RatElemental]

There are debuff spells in other schools too I'm fairly certain. Dread Necro gets a lot of debuffing spells though, and has a fear aura and stuff. You can even use the minionmancy to pile on more debuffs with incorporeal undead that deal ability damage with their attacks.

[Mr Adventurer]

Charisma is my dump so not super great, I was mostly planning on using spells like ray of exhaustion on people.

Oh, the character already exists? What's your current build?

[Voidstar01]

Oh, the character already exists? What's your current build?

I'm a Deep-wyrm half-drow focused specialist wizard 4, with draconic heritage, chainspell, cooperative spell, and spell focus [necromancy]. cooperative spell is only there as a feat tax to get in to mage of the arcane order. I used some mild cheese to qualify for cooperative spell and chain spell (I used flaws to take them both at the same, so each counted as the "1 other metamagic feat" the other needed. Draconic heritage is from an allowed homebrew that's just dragonblood sorcerer but for wizards.

Str:7
Dex:16
Con:14
Int:19
Wis:10
Cha:7

Banned schools: Evocation, Enchantment, illusion

[Sepultra]

Sadly there's not. Your best bet is to focus on metamagic and get reducers with some flavour like Mother Cyst for the necromancy side.

It's incredibly annoying but even homebrew is lacking in this regard despite about half the villains in D&D being undead or necromancers.