high level items with at will/constant 9th level spells?

[schreier]

there is often theory crafting characters at level 20, but i never see people suggesting custom items with high level spells (which would be obtainable by then)

It seems like a wondrous item with constant shapechange would be:
level 17 x level 9 spell x 2000 gp = 306,000gp

For a martial type, seems like a no-brainer? Could even make it cheaper by going command word (275400)

Similarly, constant foresight would be really handy for anyone

Does that sound right?

[StevenC21]

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/magesDisjunction.htm

[schreier]

That would be true of any magic item though honestly - with that as the argument, you should never have any

[Biffoniacus_Furiou]

It's because there aren't any rules for adding such items, thus it's never guaranteed that they could ever be obtained. Table 7-33 on DMG 285 is nothing but suggestions for the DM to use to estimate the value of a magic item a player proposes. Whether or not such items could exist and their price is 100% up to the DM, there are no rules in place for allowing players to invent their own custom magic items.

Furthermore, any item with a market price over 200,000 gp is an epic magic item (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/epic/magicItems/basics.htm), and thus requires an epic-level item creation feat to make. Characters below 20th level aren't capable of crafting such items.

There are more than enough high-level items already in the game that you can choose from without trying to cheese at-will or constant effect items. If you look at Table 7-33, you'll see that the charges per day calculation "divide by (5 divided by charges per day)" means a 5/day item is the same price as an at-will item. Thus a DM would be absolutely right to apply this calculation to every item, the base is 5/day, fewer uses is less expensive, more daily uses carries a higher cost, with there being no such thing as an at-will activated item that duplicates a spell.

[Crichton]

That would be true of any magic item though honestly - with that as the argument, you should never have any

Total WBL at level 20 is 760,000gp. So spending nearly half that on something that could be permanently destroyed at a whim by any caster of equivalent level to you doesn't seem like a prudent investment. And as a non-caster, you aren't going to be able to employ (as easily) the various strategies for preventing Disjunction from destroying your prized possession (contingent celerity, counterspells, Wings of Cover, etc)

[schreier]

Total WBL at level 20 is 760,000gp. So spending nearly half that on something that could be permanently destroyed at a whim by any caster of equivalent level to you doesn't seem like a prudent investment. And as a non-caster, you aren't going to be able to employ (as easily) the various strategies for preventing Disjunction from destroying your prized possession (contingent celerity, counterspells, Wings of Cover, etc)

Another great point - thank you.!

[Buufreak]

It seems like a wondrous item with constant shapechange would be:
level 17 x level 9 spell x 2000 gp = 306,000gp

For a martial type, seems like a no-brainer? Could even make it cheaper by going command word (275400)


It would seem that you have missed the rule a out items costing more than 200k being epic items, and thus out of reach of both shops and creation for normal 1 to 20 play.

[schreier]

You could do 1-2 times per day items easily enough with the 200k limit ... Doesn't mean it's worth it obviously

[Asmotherion]

Well i guess for a non caster it would be beneficial.

For a caster? Eh just Persist Shapechange.

Ring of Unlimited Wishes is lesser than Shapechanging into a Zodar each round and casting Wish (caster level wise). And any table that would not allow this to function is not going to allow an item of unlimited 9th level spells.