Sword 'n' wand style

[weckar]

Sword in one hand, wand in the other. Are there any feats/classes that specifically support this?

Ideally that means being able to use a wand in melee range, or somehow being able to use a wand and still make at least one attack.

Maybe using a wand defensively? I recall there being a series of feats that allow you to use wand charges for other purposes...

[Zombulian]

Sword in one hand, wand in the other. Are there any feats/classes that specifically support this?

Ideally that means being able to use a wand in melee range, or somehow being able to use a wand and still make at least one attack.

Maybe using a wand defensively? I recall there being a series of feats that allow you to use wand charges for other purposes...

Well there's always this (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showsinglepost.php?p=23790641&postcount=30) build.

[weckar]

Wandstrike and Cull Wand Essence were certainly spells I was thinking of...

Wandstrike does 1d6 damage AND the normal spell effect, right? Not at all bad...

[Biffoniacus_Furiou]

You can put a wand chamber (Dungeonscape) in your weapon, and have them both in the same hand. You can also put a wand chamber in a shield. You could even get an elvencraft composite longbow and put three wand chambers in it, enchant it as a magical staff, and use staff feats (Eilservs School) as well.

[CharonsHelper]

Check out Pathfinder's Magus class. The sword & wand is a pretty standard build. With spell combat you can cast & attack in the same round, which includes using a wand. In particular, having a wand of True Strike is kind of ridiculous if you want to go for a maneuver specialist, such as tripping or disarming, and a level 1 CL 1 wand is cheap.

And I don't think that wands provoke attacks of opportunity.

[weckar]

Nope, can't. No Pathfinder.

[Buufreak]

You can put a wand chamber (Dungeonscape) in your weapon, and have them both in the same hand. You can also put a wand chamber in a shield. You could even get an elvencraft composite longbow and put three wand chambers in it, enchant it as a magical staff, and use staff feats (Eilservs School) as well.

This sounds convoluted, ridiculous, and likely the concept of my next toon.

[Mr Adventurer]

Don't forget to see if you can put any hidden blades or bow blades, etc. on the weapon and add wand chambers to those!

[frogglesmash]

You can put a wand chamber (Dungeonscape) in your weapon, and have them both in the same hand. You can also put a wand chamber in a shield. You could even get an elvencraft composite longbow and put three wand chambers in it, enchant it as a magical staff, and use staff feats (Eilservs School) as well.
Wand in sword style.

[WhamBamSam]

Cannith Wand Adept uses dual wands, one of which could be in your sword's wand chamber. There was this (https://www.enworld.org/threads/weekly-optimization-showcase-wand-overdrive-tempest_stormwind.471362/) excellent Cannith Wand Adept build in the old Stormwind Optimization Showcase that might be a good source of inspiration.

[weckar]

Not a huge fan of wand chambers (seem a little too techy for me), but I agree they do look like a good option.

Still looking for a way to swing both sword and wand in the same turn, though...

[daremetoidareyo]

Not a huge fan of wand chambers (seem a little too techy for me), but I agree they do look like a good option.

Still looking for a way to swing both sword and wand in the same turn, though...

Swift action wands should hook you up with one of each. Maybe paladin of arcane order with battle blessing and craft wand?

[WhamBamSam]

Not a huge fan of wand chambers (seem a little too techy for me), but I agree they do look like a good option.

Still looking for a way to swing both sword and wand in the same turn, though...Cannith Wand Adept with a wand of (Mass) Snake's Swiftness in your wand chamber. Dual Wand Use to cast from your other wand and gain a free attack. Or, if you want to play up the low-level magic item dimension and expand it beyond wands, you could delay a potion of Snake's Swiftness as a way to get a swift action attack.

[weckar]

That's actually quite clever. Feels right, that. Thanks.

[stack]

Wraithstrike is nice on a wand, if I recall correctly. Been quite awhile.

[weckar]

A crazy idea, maybe, but could a wand-using bloodstorm blade 4 with wandstrike chuck the wand at an enemy, have it go off, and then catch it again? :smallbiggrin:

[Mr Adventurer]

Not a huge fan of wand chambers (seem a little too techy for me), but I agree they do look like a good option.

Still looking for a way to swing both sword and wand in the same turn, though...

I wrote a homebrew PrC that does that, amongst other things - though it's not a spellcaster: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?338815-Arcane-Justicar-a-melee-class-designed-to-mess-with-wizards

[RNightstalker]

Double Wand Wielder allows you to use a wand in your off-hand.

[weckar]

Only if you have another hand in your primary hand, though.

[Saintheart]

Only if you have another hand in your primary hand, though.

The workaround is to ask the DM if a wand in a Wand Chamber in the primary hand counts for the purposes of the feat. Dungeonscape, in which Wand Chambers appeared, postdates Complete Arcane, which is where Double Wand Wielder comes from. The Wand Chamber's text is "When a wand is loaded in the chamber, it is considered ready and can be activated without having to drop the weapon or shield." So you could try to persuade your DM that, especially given the writers must have had Double Wand Wielder in mind when contemplating the Wand Chamber, you're deemed to have a wand in each hand, i.e. you still get to wield your sword in one hand and a wand in the other.

[Elves]

Why use wand chambers when you can use a mouthpick 2h weapon and keep both your hands free?

Darfellan race gives a permanent bite attack. This thread (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?217060-How-to-gain-a-bite-attack) gives other cheap methods, which include the Hunger domain from Dragon 312.

[animewatcha]

This sounds convoluted, ridiculous, and likely the concept of my next toon.

For certain wands, why not have them go off on the same command word to ( rule of cool or hilarity ) have multiple wands go off at once.

[weckar]

Why use wand chambers when you can use a mouthpick 2h weapon and keep both your hands free?

Darfellan race gives a permanent bite attack. This thread (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?217060-How-to-gain-a-bite-attack) gives other cheap methods, which include the Hunger domain from Dragon 312.Because that looks absolutely ridiculous.

[Elves]

Darfellan mouth-harpooning. It's an ancient technique. We imitate the narwhals.

[Mr Adventurer]

Hmm. The art of the Darfellan just makes them look really humanoid - not like they have a bite attack at all. But now I want to play one that's re-fluffed to be like this:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b7/43/d2/b743d230902149f7293add89292c18b6.jpg

[Elves]

I mean have you seen orca teeth (https://c8.alamy.com/comp/B3TMHD/killer-whale-skull-orcinus-orca-canada-showing-rows-of-teeth-B3TMHD.jpg)?

I was thinking a mouthpick guisarme or glaive where they clench it between their teeth and jab, but a mouthpick spiked chain where they swing it around would be kind of dramatic if we pretend their teeth wouldn't break.

It's sort of a cute build idea since darfellan are so rarely used for anything. What other uses are there for free hands besides wands? If nothing else, you could go for natural attacks (via astral vambraces or w/e) since those don't require TWF.

[weckar]

I'd hate to be that guy, but can we drop the mouthpicks? I feel it is not useful to this particular thread as they are--as stated--ridiculous.

[Elves]

It's a different question from your build. And of course they're ridiculous.

[weckar]

If you admit it is a different question, why the hijack?

[Elves]

{Scrubbed}

[weckar]

Nah, I just notice you doing this a lot. Just trying to keep a thread useful to the person who started it.

[Falontani]

Havoc Mage + Battle Cast allows you to cast a spell and attack as a full round action.
2nd level arcane and 4 bab means easy entry.
Only need 3 in the class to activate any wand in offhand... If casting a spell from a wand counts as casting a spell.