D&D Tiamat Should Have Her Own Movie

[Bartmanhomer]

I just thought of something D&D Tiamat the Dragon Queen Deity Of Evil Dragonkind should have her own movie. She should be played as the villain or anti-hero taking over the world. So what's your thought about it?

[HolyDraconus]

I just thought of something D&D Tiamat the Dragon Queen Deity Of Evil Dragonkind should have her own movie. She should be played as the villain or anti-hero taking over the world. So what's your thought about it?

I don't know how good a movie would be when the main antagonist is taken out in the first 20 minutes.

[Forum Explorer]

I don't know how good a movie would be when the main antagonist is taken out in the first 20 minutes.

:smallconfused: Why would she be taken out in the first 20 minutes? I feel like you are referencing something here, but I don't get it. :smallconfused:


Anyways, there is absolutely no way you could put her as an anti-hero, but as a straight up villain? Yeah, I think she'd make for a good, if cheesy, D&D movie villain.

[Seppl]

To be frank, she sounds awful as antagonist in a non-interactive story. She is pretty much designed as a high-level D&D encounter, not as villain for a movie. She is very well designed in that regard, being visually and mechanically interesting. Your high-level adventuring party will love fighting her. But that also entails that she is a most generic villain that can be plugged into almost any campaign as a challenge, but not as antagonist to carry a story. She is just out there to conquer the world. For the evulz. She cannot have a believable relationship with any other characters or elements of a story, because she is a giant evil dragon Goddess that just hates everything that is not a giant evil dragon Goddess.

Now, there are of course plenty of movies where the hero just beats up a giant monster that has no further influence on the story than being a giant monster that the hero has to overcome. Those are mostly movies about the hero, where the final antagonist could be pretty much anything (This often happens in origin stories, specifically). Tiamat could function nicely as such a monster. But I guess that is not the kind of movie you are thinking about?

Or we could go into Kaiju. Now, that would be interesting…

[MossyMeow]

To be frank, she sounds awful as antagonist in a non-interactive story. She is pretty much designed as a high-level D&D encounter, not as villain for a movie. She is very well designed in that regard, being visually and mechanically interesting. Your high-level adventuring party will love fighting her. But that also entails that she is a most generic villain that can be plugged into almost any campaign as a challenge, but not as antagonist to carry a story. She is just out there to conquer the world. For the evulz. She cannot have a believable relationship with any other characters or elements of a story, because she is a giant evil dragon Goddess that just hates everything that is not a giant evil dragon Goddess.

Now, there are of course plenty of movies where the hero just beats up a giant monster that has no further influence on the story than being a giant monster that the hero has to overcome. Those are mostly movies about the hero, where the final antagonist could be pretty much anything (This often happens in origin stories, specifically). Tiamat could function nicely as such a monster. But I guess that is not the kind of movie you are thinking about?

Or we could go into Kaiju. Now, that would be interesting…

What if she was like the ancient black dragon from OOTS, taking revenge for her murdered kindred? The protagonist could be an empathic young adventurer with a connection to dragons. He or she could rally all of dragonkind to prevent Tiamat from destroying a major city or something. Just a thought.

[Hopeless]

How about a version of the D&D animated series from her viewpoint?

We always assumed it was chance that brought the kids to the Realm, what if Tiamat herself summoned them?

Dungeon Master's son has been corrupted to the darkside, his eldritch master is poised to seize total power the only force left is Tiamat and she isn't interested in relinquishing her access to the Prime Material Plane.

She has access to the Dragon's Graveyard where those magical items the kids received are greatly enhanced by and I suspect their point of origin.

SHE provided the dungeon master with access to them so he chose the items they received and don't you think it odd every time she turns up no matter the situation she really isn't interested in killing the children and actually helped them that time when they wanted to defeat Venger and almost did?

She wasn't angry they didn't go through with that and certainly didn't have problems with them helping the Dungeon Master improves things in the Realms as far as she is concerned that helps HER too!

Now imagine a movie with that revelation in mind!

[Tvtyrant]

Make it about her terrible relationship as a helicopter Mom with her 5 kids. Each kid dealt with the dysfunction in their own way; White move to Alaska, Blue goes to Burning Man every year, Red became a hoarder, Black does acid, and Green is a park ranger.

When they here Mom is dying they have to take their kids to visit her one last time, and she attempts to use the will into manipulating them to conquer the world.

[Ramza00]

Make it a mother of monsters story where there are Dragons which are her children's in a world of humans.

But also there is Tiamat, and Tiamat is in multiple places at once for she can craft 5 unique personalities as simulacrums-spawn that she shares collective knowledge with. Thus Tiamat can be in 6 places at once, but the 5 spawn are much weaker than the "god" aspect of Tiamat. Each of the 5 simulacrums have their own unique personality and unique nature, and once you kill them it does not stop the treat for Tiamat can just keep on respawning them like a incarnation generator.

Oh also these Tiamat simulacrums are also shapechangers unlike most of the Colored aka Evil Dragons and unlike the Metal aka Good Dragons who naturally shapechange.

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This is a world of monsters, but there is also a mother of monsters and the mother is now different than she was before for she is now creating a unique form of spawn. Thus this is an age of monster, but also an age of heroes.

Make this a streaming tv show and not a movie. :smallwink:

[Peelee]

I just thought of something D&D Tiamat the Dragon Queen Deity Of Evil Dragonkind should have her own movie.

Why? Sell me on it. Assume I know who she is but not much else. Why do I want to pay 8 bucks to go see this movie?

[No brains]

Why? Sell me on it. Assume I know who she is but not much else. Why do I want to pay 8 bucks to go see this movie?

She can do that pose that Ghidorah did in King of the Monsters. You know, the one next to the cross on the volcano that looked like a metal album cover? BUT! She would have 5 heads!
:smallwink::smallamused::smalltongue::smallcool::s mallredface:

[Bartmanhomer]

Why? Sell me on it. Assume I know who she is but not much else. Why do I want to pay 8 bucks to go see this movie?

So you rather play the full price instead of a matinee?

[The Glyphstone]

So you rather play the full price instead of a matinee?

8 bucks is the matinee price in some places. But they're not asking about price, it's more of a "why should i spend any of my money on this" question. Your OP didn't give any details on why you think it would make a good movie.

[Bartmanhomer]

8 bucks is the matinee price in some places. But they're not asking about price, it's more of a "why should i spend any of my money on this" question. Your OP didn't give any details on why you think it would make a good movie.

Because Tiamat is iconic. She should have her own movie talking about her life.

[Talakeal]

So you rather play the full price instead of a matinee?

Where do you live? I pay 11 for a matinee up here.

[Peelee]

Because Tiamat is iconic.

Nope. I said to assume I know who she is but not much else. Can't go with "iconic."

[Bartmanhomer]

Where do you live? I pay 11 for a matinee up here.

I live in New Yorn, New York USA and I pay $8 for a matinee where I live at.

[weckar]

I mean, if you want this to be like a fictional biopic... I don't think you'll get many people into the theatre that aren't already D&D geeks, and a good chunk of them wouldn't even bother.

This would bomb harder than the oogieloves.

[Talakeal]

I live in New Yorn, New York USA and I pay $8 for a matinee where I live at.

Wow. Yeah, I just double checked, an adult matinee at my local theatre here in Colorado is 10.75 a person.

[Bohandas]

Make it about her terrible relationship as a helicopter Mom with her 5 kids. Each kid dealt with the dysfunction in their own way; White move to Alaska, Blue goes to Burning Man every year, Red became a hoarder, Black does acid, and Green is a park ranger.

When they here Mom is dying they have to take their kids to visit her one last time, and she attempts to use the will into manipulating them to conquer the world.

I would watch this


Or we could go into Kaiju. Now, that would be interesting…

I'd watch this too.

[Brother Oni]

Wow. Yeah, I just double checked, an adult matinee at my local theatre here in Colorado is 10.75 a person.

At my local chain cinema, tickets start at 9.25 GBP, making them just over 12 USD. No discount for matinees.

[Morty]

I mean, if you want this to be like a fictional biopic... I don't think you'll get many people into the theatre that aren't already D&D geeks, and a good chunk of them wouldn't even bother.

This would bomb harder than the oogieloves.

Yes, I don't think even that many D&D fans consider Tiamat to be particularly iconic. She's an evil multi-headed dragon deity. D&D deities as a rule don't do a lot, they just are. Tiamat might be an enemy in a very high-level campaign, but how many campaigns get there?

[weckar]

Tiamat might be an enemy in a very high-level campaign, but how many campaigns get there?
And how many other campaigns are there, even discounting the chunk that makes their own?

[Lvl 2 Expert]

Nope. I said to assume I know who she is but not much else. Can't go with "iconic."

Maybe I can rephrase the question: Why should an average person go see this hypothetical Tiamat movie rather than Jason Statham Punches A Giant Alligator, Godzilla 108: Revenge Of Varan or Spiderman X: The Avengers Are Evil? If I was a big shot produver/investor, why would Tiamat be my ticket to succes? What makes her such a great story opportunity in the effects movie section?

But yeah, I'd watch the version where black does acid too.

[JoshL]

The 5e Tyrrany of Dragons storyline would make for a pretty fun series. You couldn't tell it all in a single movie, but over a couple movies or as a big budget tv series, it could work pretty well!

[KillianHawkeye]

Tiamat the Dragon Queen Deity Of Evil Dragonkind should have her own movie.

No, she really shouldn't.

That's like saying the Kraken should have his own movie instead of just being a big monster for the last ten minutes of Clash of the Titans. It's like saying the Iceberg should have its own movie instead of just being the immovable obstacle that sinks the Titanic. Maybe the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man can have his own movie, too? Or perhaps a movie where Galactus just goes around eating planets with no pesky super heroes to get in his way?

Wait, I know, a movie where a volcano erupts and nobody is in danger and nothing else happens! I'm a theatrical genius! :smallsigh:

[Forum Explorer]

No, she really shouldn't.

That's like saying the Kraken should have his own movie instead of just being a big monster for the last ten minutes of Clash of the Titans. It's like saying the Iceberg should have its own movie instead of just being the immovable obstacle that sinks the Titanic. Maybe the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man can have his own movie, too? Or perhaps a movie where Galactus just goes around eating planets with no pesky super heroes to get in his way?

Wait, I know, a movie where a volcano erupts and nobody is in danger and nothing else happens! I'm a theatrical genius! :smallsigh:

I would watch totally watch a story about the daily life of the Kraken. Also I'm pretty sure the volcano has been made as a documentary. Also a Magic School Bus episode.

[Ramza00]

No, she really shouldn't.

That's like saying the Kraken should have his own movie instead of just being a big monster for the last ten minutes of Clash of the Titans.

Wait, I know, a movie where a volcano erupts and nobody is in danger and nothing else happens! I'm a theatrical genius! :smallsigh:

You are right the Kraken should not get any more stinking movies :smallfurious: . Instead Cetus should have gotten that movie role opposite Perseus in Clash of the Titans. I mean seriously the Kraken and Leviathan gets all the respect and no one even knows the name of Cetus! Cetus the dragon fish as big as a whale and no one knows its name.

Cetus should fire its agent and hire Princess Carolyne in order to get those Hollywoo dollars! :smalltongue:

[Raimun]

Well, Tiamat would be a good villain for a D&D-movie about powerful (ie. high level) adventurers. A huge, mean, giant dragon with five frickin' heads, all shooting different energy beams fighting heroes? That should be a spectacle if done right.

But a whole movie about an evil, insanely powerful dragon? Eh, I don't see it how it could work.

Besides, someone like Elminster would be a more probable pick for a protagonist among the already existing world famous D&D-characters.

[Tvtyrant]

No, she really shouldn't.

That's like saying the Kraken should have his own movie instead of just being a big monster for the last ten minutes of Clash of the Titans. It's like saying the Iceberg should have its own movie instead of just being the immovable obstacle that sinks the Titanic. Maybe the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man can have his own movie, too? Or perhaps a movie where Galactus just goes around eating planets with no pesky super heroes to get in his way?

Wait, I know, a movie where a volcano erupts and nobody is in danger and nothing else happens! I'm a theatrical genius! :smallsigh:

A movie that shows the titanic sinking and then segues into the life cycle of an ice mountain and global warming would actually be pretty cool.

[Eldan]

A movie that shows the titanic sinking and then segues into the life cycle of an ice mountain and global warming would actually be pretty cool.

That's the first pitch I've heard for a Titanic Sequel that I could actually get behind.

[Raimun]

That's the first pitch I've heard for a Titanic Sequel that I could actually get behind.

Titanic II is one of my favorite movie sequels ever.

Perhaps one day I will watch this movie.

[Forum Explorer]

Titanic II is one of my favorite movie sequels ever.

Perhaps one day I will watch this movie.

Personally, my favorite is Titanic XCVIII (https://xkcd.com/1751/) :smallbiggrin:

[Misery Esquire]

You are right the Kraken should not get any more stinking movies :smallfurious: . Instead Cetus should have gotten that movie role opposite Perseus in Clash of the Titans. I mean seriously the Kraken and Leviathan gets all the respect and no one even knows the name of Cetus! Cetus the dragon fish as big as a whale and no one knows its name.

Cetus should fire its agent and hire Princess Carolyne in order to get those Hollywoo dollars! :smalltongue:

Or Charybdis & Scylla! Push over saarlac, we've got the classic whirlpool monster who pulls in it's own meals!

...Actually, isn't it about time we got a newfangled Odyssey movie anyway?

[Bohandas]

Maybe the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man can have his own movie, too?

Gozer and Ivo Shandor should totally have their own movie

[Leewei]

Hmm.

Maybe do it as a nature documentary? Have Sir David Attenborough and Morgan Freeman tag-team the narration.

[Peelee]

That's the first pitch I've heard for a Titanic Sequel that I could actually get behind.

Really? Not the SMBC (https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/hubris) one?

[GentlemanVoodoo]

I just thought of something D&D Tiamat the Dragon Queen Deity Of Evil Dragonkind should have her own movie. She should be played as the villain or anti-hero taking over the world. So what's your thought about it?

As an anti-hero I don't see it working. In what ways would Tiamat be made likeable as an anti-hero? As a villain, well the Hoard of the Dragon Queen/Rise of Tiamat or Scales of War could work if adapted properly.

[Eldan]

Really? Not the SMBC (https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/hubris) one?

I had forgotten that one. However, unless I'm mistaken, the Titanic iceberg was arctic and should not have penguins, so I'd lose my nerd cred if I liked it. :smalltongue:

[Imbalance]

Listen, Tiamat just isn't a headliner. She's sibling rivalry as the secondary plot in a rom-com, at best. Don't let Maleficent's success lull you into a false sense of hope that everybody's favorite pentacephaloid can somehow teach audiences about tolerance and overcoming fear of the misunderstood. Other than a bad attitude, her highness has nothing relatable about her. She is every detestable personality flaw rolled into one, but not in a charming way like Shrek or laughably like Gargemel (outside of the cartoon, at least). She's all "die for me because you love me as I have commanded" without anything lovable or redeeming about her.

Not that I wouldn't at least viddy a flick with her in it, but Tiamat as the main character probably won't work.

[Seppl]

I had forgotten that one. However, unless I'm mistaken, the Titanic iceberg was arctic and should not have penguins, so I'd lose my nerd cred if I liked it. :smalltongue:Read the alt text!

[Lvl 2 Expert]

Wait, I know, a movie where a volcano erupts and nobody is in danger and nothing else happens! I'm a theatrical genius! :smallsigh:

Been done, by Disney (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uh4dTLJ9q9o).

[weckar]

Gozer and Ivo Shandor should totally have their own movie

No, a sitcom.

[Lord Torath]

Read the alt text!I guess Zach has nothing to say to me, then. I can suspend my disbelief to allow talking penguins, but not to permit them on an arctic iceberg. "Good day" to you, sir! I SAID "GOOD DAY!" :smalltongue:

On topic (sort of), what would Takhisis's Tiamat's red child hoard? I'm thinking waving cat figurines. Or possibly pets (read: humans).