Fate/Grand Order IV - Are you my Master? [Rerun - Lite]

[Yael]

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Fate/Grand Order - Are you my Master? (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?529252-Fate-Grand-Order-Are-you-my-Master&p=22160542)
Fate/Grand Order II - Top Kōhai (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?563642-Fate-Grand-Order-II-Top-Khai)
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[Kitten Champion]

Oh, new thread. More digital space to express my Gacha-related ennui.

So, question for the forthcoming Halloween Event, they say you'll choose between Eli Mecha and Eli Mecha MK.II, but is there any substantive difference between the two or do you just pick the one that makes your blood run hot with mecha passion? 'Cause I'm inclined towards Mk.II just because she's more colourful.

Also, you can add me to the User IDs, I guess.

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IGN - Cure.

[Yael]

Oh, new thread. More digital space to express my Gacha-related ennui.

So, question for the forthcoming Halloween Event, they say you'll choose between Eli Mecha and Eli Mecha MK.II, but is there any substantive difference between the two or do you just pick the one that makes your blood run hot with mecha passion? 'Cause I'm inclined towards Mk.II just because she's more colourful.

Also, you can add me to the User IDs, I guess.

ID# 375,280,141
IGN - Cure.

Added to list!

Well, no. There is no diifference between both, aside from their Saint Graph (artwork), Noble Phantasm animation, and Bond CE art, they are the same unit. You can get only one, but during the rerun next year you'll be able to get the sad Elly that wasn't picked this time.
Also, I'm also picking MK.II.

[NeoPhoenix0]

the best part about the rerun next year is that in addition to grabbing the second one, because they are different servants if you want to you can run both of them in one team even though they are the same in pretty much every way.

[Yael]

the best part about the rerun next year is that in addition to grabbing the second one, because they are different servants if you want to you can run both of them in one team even though they are the same in pretty much every way.

As for next year, Elizabeth team will arise.

https://grandorder.wiki/images/thumb/8/82/Icon_Servant_018.png/70px-Icon_Servant_018.png (https://grandorder.wiki/Elisabeth_B%C3%A1thory)https://grandorder.wiki/images/thumb/a/a0/Icon_Servant_061.png/70px-Icon_Servant_061.png (https://grandorder.wiki/Elisabeth_B%C3%A1thory_(Halloween))https://grandorder.wiki/images/thumb/b/b9/Icon_Servant_138.png/70px-Icon_Servant_138.png (https://grandorder.wiki/Elisabeth_B%C3%A1thory_(Brave))https://grandorder.wiki/images/thumb/a/a7/Icon_Servant_190.png/70px-Icon_Servant_190.png (https://grandorder.wiki/Mecha_Eli-chan)https://grandorder.wiki/images/thumb/a/a9/Icon_Servant_191.png/70px-Icon_Servant_191.png (https://grandorder.wiki/Mecha_Eli-chan_MkII)https://grandorder.wiki/images/thumb/0/0c/Icon_Servant_046.png/70px-Icon_Servant_046.png (https://grandorder.wiki/Carmilla)

Somewhere, a scream of true horror can be heard from a certain archer.

[Hunter Noventa]

Added to list!

Well, no. There is no diifference between both, aside from their Saint Graph (artwork), Noble Phantasm animation, and Bond CE art, they are the same unit. You can get only one, but during the rerun next year you'll be able to get the sad Elly that wasn't picked this time.
Also, I'm also picking MK.II.

They also have some different voice lines, if you care about such things.

I'll be grabbing MkI, and then I will grail her to 100 because SUPER ROBOT.

Also, the first guide (https://www.reddit.com/r/grandorder/comments/dlc2ag/halloween_2019_na_guide_by_lord_ashura/) for the event is up. Not the style I prefer, but still good.

Also
Amakusa can GET DUNKED ON! Beat him down and didn't need my seals in the end, thanks to the combined efforts of Merlin and Tamamo keeping BB alive through two NPs, albeit barely. My back line had Gorgon and Medusa ready with stuns just in case, but that turned out to be unnecessary.

[Resileaf]

Posting in the thread half to keep track of it, half to remind myself I need to clean up my friend list of people who haven't been online in a while.

[Hunter Noventa]

Posting in the thread half to keep track of it, half to remind myself I need to clean up my friend list of people who haven't been online in a while.

I swear the friends list does not list everyone, because I never seem to have anyone who's been offline for more than a couple days.

[Red Fel]

Ahh, new thread smell.


Also, the first guide (https://www.reddit.com/r/grandorder/comments/dlc2ag/halloween_2019_na_guide_by_lord_ashura/) for the event is up. Not the style I prefer, but still good.

Perhaps the most important thing about this event? No farming for CEs! Between the shop and the mission rewards - this event is in the style of the KnK event - you should get 5 of each event CE. As opposed to those insufferable events where the shop gives you 4, and you have to farm and hope the last one drops. So, bonus!

But yeah. It's an event in the vein of KnK, which means there are a ton of missions to complete, with rewards for each, and the purpose of the event CEs is to increase enemy spawns, not item drops. Have fun.


Also
Amakusa can GET DUNKED ON! Beat him down and didn't need my seals in the end, thanks to the combined efforts of Merlin and Tamamo keeping BB alive through two NPs, albeit barely. My back line had Gorgon and Medusa ready with stuns just in case, but that turned out to be unnecessary.

Seriously, Amakusa was practically nothing after those swordsmen. Which I guess was kind of the point? Basically, this was a samurai epic. The clash was one of ideologies and swords - by the time the evil mastermind shows up, his warriors are defeated and he's kind of a joke. So it worked really well that way.

[Kitten Champion]

Oh good, they do indeed have the magatama material in the shop for Archer of Inferno. There's also feathers somewhere in there as a quest reward, which are in high demand for everyone in my roster.

Also my Kiyohime and Carmilla will get boosts, that'll be good for farming.

[Nerocite]

I'm gonna go RED CARD SMASH with Penth and Kiyo, lots of goodies in this event, missions are fun.

[Red Fel]

So, since we're talking about the upcoming Halloween event now, and since the guide linked upthread covers most of it, a quick note about Servants.

First, as has been mentioned, we get Mecha Eli-Chan or Mecha Eli-Chan MkII out of it, for free. They are identical 4-star Alter Egos with ST Buster NPs. So if you didn't manage to grab Melt, Lip, or Heaven's Hole last time, here's your chance at an Alter Ego. Enjoy kicking the crap out of some cavalry.

The banner features Lancer Liz, Carmilla, Yan Qing, Wu Zetian, and Penthesilea, all of whom get a 50% ATK boost. It also features the premiere of Osakabehime, our newest hikikomori, a 5-star Assassin who will receive a 100% ATK boost for the event. Keep in mind that she is not a limited Servant, and will be added to the story gacha later. Okki is basically a Caster in Assassin's clothing - she's a support unit. She has Territory creation, her first skill is a pretty solid self-defensive buff, her second skill is a targeted NP charge and crit star boost, and her third is a valuable targeted DEF-debuff and buff eraser. Her NP boosts party DEF and max HP, and on Overcharge boosts Quick performance. In short, her value comes less from her own output, and more from her ability to act as a force multiplier for other Servants, especially crit-focused Quick Servants.

Again, Okki is awesome, and if you want her, this is her rate-up (which is a lie), but she is not a limited Servant.

As for CEs, again, there are three CEs that increase enemy appearance rates - you can get up to 5 copies of each from the store and mission rewards. There are also three gacha CEs that increase item drops, but they are gacha exclusive. Don't want to whale for them? You don't have to.

[ellenate]

wow, i did not notice how many assassins there were on the halloween banner. i'm starting to second guess pulling. :smallsmile:

[Hunter Noventa]

I've only done the first couple missions and this event is already amazing.

[Kitten Champion]

Oh~

They've improved Carmilla's animations in this update. Did anyone else get anything?

[ellenate]

last second change of heart. instead of going all in, i just spent what was in my sq counter (30sq).

zerk-a-lot
5* event ce
random 4*ce

All single pulls.
All hail singles!



on the flip side 100,000 fp and not a single event ce... i should really just stop trying, my luck isn't changing with the fp gacha. :smallsmile:

[HMS Invincible]

My game keeps crashing. This seems familiar. Does anyone know about a solution, game update or otherwise?

[Saambell]

Spent about 72ish SQ, doing 2 ten rolls and a few single rolls between them. First ten roll got me the event 4 star CE and Osakabehime in the first 3 pulls. Rest were all 3 stars. The singles were done in search of the 5 star event ce as I want all the redrop halloween CEs. Got my second copy of Carmilla and a few non event 4 star CEs. Then the second 1 ten roll got me the 5 star CE on the first pull, another of the 4 star event CEs and my second Lancelot Berserker. So all in all a good event gacha. Now to resist pulling until either Abi or Eresh as those are the next banners likely to tempt me.

Meanwhile the event is awesome as always. Some dont like the looser translation, but as long as they keep the spirit of the characters and the jokes make sense, Im fine with it. Cant translate jokes/references when we dont get what the original references are. Given they have referenced Firefly and Monty Python in the past when I doubt the original did, I fully support this looser but hilarious translation.

[spectralphoenix]

My game keeps crashing. This seems familiar. Does anyone know about a solution, game update or otherwise?

I'm having some trouble too. If I restart after it crashes the first time, it seems to work for a while. According to the reddit, the devs know and are working on it.

I'm sort of curious about Osakabehime, she seems neat and I like the idea of a support "caster" who has advantage over those pesky riders, but I'm not too interested in any of the 4* offerings and I just blew too much SQ on Shimousa anyway.

[NeoPhoenix0]

Hmmm, I think u might be stuck till tomorrow. I'm out of missions that unlock quests

[Hunter Noventa]

Hmmm, I think u might be stuck till tomorrow. I'm out of missions that unlock quests

Yeah there's a time gate. Farm some mats, but don't go crazy since the good farms don't open til you finish the event, as usual.

[NeoPhoenix0]

so like, these event missions are supposed to keep track of the missions even before you unlock the mission. and this event has done that for the most part...

the fact that i have completed the guest room quest means i have defeat astolfo at least once, and i just defeated saint martha so, why does it say 1 out of 10? is this mission special where it doesn't track the previous stuff?

[nightwyrm]

so like, these event missions are supposed to keep track of the missions even before you unlock the mission. and this event has done that for the most part...

the fact that i have completed the guest room quest means i have defeat astolfo at least once, and i just defeated saint martha so, why does it say 1 out of 10? is this mission special where it doesn't track the previous stuff?

There was a bug that reset some mission counters when part 2 of the event was released. Different people were affected differently, some lost their Rider counts, others their Divine counts, etc.

[Hunter Noventa]

I just realized, next year after the rerun, I could field a party made entirely of Eli-chan. Lancer, Caster, Saber, Mecha, Mecha, Support.

[NeoPhoenix0]

Well some people can field an entire field of regular artorias. Saber, Lily, lancer, Archer, assassin. And a field of alter artoria... Saber, lancer, santa, rider, berzerker.

[Saambell]

So strange thing: Manticores don't count for Large enemies. So despite several runs of Burial Chamber, I haven't gotten past 9 killed. Other then that, I'm blazing through this event. Even got the Silver CE to drop, though I would have preferred the 5 star Martha CE to drop.

[NeoPhoenix0]

yeah, large is a trait reserved for the really massive boss level monsters and the sphinx (sorry sphinx but the manticore is scarrier than you most of the time.)

so pretty much this list:
Dragons, Spriggans, Sphinxes, the supermassive ghosts with the AOE attacks, raid boss oni, giant boars, orochis, and that's all we have in NA atm appart from specific bosses such as demonic pillars and other bosses that take up the screen.

[Kitten Champion]

I've cleared 82 missions. I'm still at a net positive in terms of Apples and I'd like to keep it that way, so it'll probably take me around two days to finish the remaining quests given the high AP costs even with all the CEs completed.

The Enemy Finder page on the Gamepress Event guide helped a lot. I initially had some confusion as to what constituted what type of enemy and what free mission was the most efficient for any given quest, being able to click the desired enemy attribute simplified things quite a bit.

[NeoPhoenix0]

so i think i got hit pretty hard by the bug, my divine, archer and rider missions all counted from 0 from the update... and i think i would have been done with all of those by now too. but the weekend is the worst time for me for this game.

[Leecros]

Well, I haven't gotten quite as far into shimosa as I had hoped to before Halloween came out ,but in other news Yay Halloween!



i did a couple of experimental rolls on the Osakabehime and managed to pull Carmilla...



yay...

[Saambell]

Finished with all the missions, now its just drop grinding for the shop. Got 2 of the Martha CEs to drop, kind of hoping three more drop so I can have two of them maxed as they are just so good for a ton of characters. Arts also real nice as an additional bonus. Still have a ton of characters to level, so finding ways to split my AP between Ember farming, Event farming, and somehow squeezing in Shimousa bits in will be rough. Only did the trial fight against Inferno, not yet done the dual, so I'm quite far behind most.

Also, I know matching Ember Type to Servant Class gives more EXP, but do most people follow that? I mean, do you dump all gathered Embers into any Servant no matter the class, or do you put only the embers of the class into them, thus leveling two characters per day?

[Hunter Noventa]

Well, I haven't gotten quite as far into shimosa as I had hoped to before Halloween came out ,but in other news Yay Halloween!



i did a couple of experimental rolls on the Osakabehime and managed to pull Carmilla...



yay...

Carmilla is a perfectly fine servant you know.

I'm just happy to have my Super Robot Waifu.

[NeoPhoenix0]

Finished with all the missions, now its just drop grinding for the shop. Got 2 of the Martha CEs to drop, kind of hoping three more drop so I can have two of them maxed as they are just so good for a ton of characters. Arts also real nice as an additional bonus. Still have a ton of characters to level, so finding ways to split my AP between Ember farming, Event farming, and somehow squeezing in Shimousa bits in will be rough. Only did the trial fight against Inferno, not yet done the dual, so I'm quite far behind most.

Also, I know matching Ember Type to Servant Class gives more EXP, but do most people follow that? I mean, do you dump all gathered Embers into any Servant no matter the class, or do you put only the embers of the class into them, thus leveling two characters per day?
sometimes. if i am just grinding embers for something i have i often just dump whatever, but i also don't have servants of every class that i want to level up anymore so i really don't care, besides i have well over 200 apples.

however if i am saving up i tend to hoard the class embers while dumping the rest into another servant.

[Resileaf]

Also, I know matching Ember Type to Servant Class gives more EXP, but do most people follow that? I mean, do you dump all gathered Embers into any Servant no matter the class, or do you put only the embers of the class into them, thus leveling two characters per day?

Most of the time, I level servants with the right embers, but for servants that don't have class embers, I give them any embers I get since they'll never get a bonus anyway.

[chainer1216]

Finished the event, all 100 missions, boy was it a lot of work.

Notably the missions to ascend Mecha elli three times and to get her to bond level 3 sucked.

[Kitten Champion]

Finished the event, all 100 missions, boy was it a lot of work.

Notably the missions to ascend Mecha elli three times and to get her to bond level 3 sucked.

Yeah, I had already spent all the event's Embers - mostly to get Eli Saber to 80 - and I didn't have a significant pool left over to raise a new Servant to 60. Which meant I spent much of today Ember grinding when I had the chance. Not exactly what I wanted to do with my AP at the moment.

Anyways, all I have left to do is farm her bond,

[Yael]

So, the current Facebook campaign will grant 30 SQ for shares/votes/retweets on the Babylonia anime series.

That's... New.

[Hunter Noventa]

I had saved several events worth of Embers for Mecha Eli-chan specifically because she doesn't get a class bonus, so I've had no issue leveling her up.

[Resileaf]

So, the current Facebook campaign will grant 30 SQ for shares/votes/retweets on the Babylonia anime series.

That's... New.

No, we often get campaigns to do stuff on Facebook and we get rewards in-game.

[Red Fel]

I planned ahead with MEC, slotted her into the party as soon as I got her to maximize bond accumulation. I also started her out on Silver Embers to ensure there would be plenty of Gold ones left in the event shop. After finishing all the missions, I started farming drills.

MEC is now 64, having emptied out all of the Embers and half of the Fous in the shop, and Bond 5. I'll probably start Ember farming once I clear out the rest of the Fous. And in answer to that question, while I try to match up Ember type to Servant type, if I'm power-leveling a particular Servant, I don't particularly care what I'm feeding them.

It's probably the upside to not getting any of the event Servants (including Okki) - nowhere else to put those Embers. Not sure that I'll rush to max level MEC, given that I already have two Alter Egos already, both of whom are maxed, but I at least want to get her to her last Ascension.

[Yael]

No, we often get campaigns to do stuff on Facebook and we get rewards in-game.

What I meant by that was that the amount is really high. Usually campaigns give away 3-10 SQ, along with golden apples and other goodies, but a straight up multi is rare from FGO USA.

[Resileaf]

What I meant by that was that the amount is really high. Usually campaigns give away 3-10 SQ, along with golden apples and other goodies, but a straight up multi is rare from FGO USA.

Oh, yeah, yeah, I get you now. The quantity of quartz is indeed pretty remarkable.

I assume it's because they're really happy about it... Not to mention, the anime is pretty much possible because fortunes have been spent on FGO, so it's kind of like giving back to the people who keep spending.

Although the cynic in me feels like this single 10-roll could be an incentive for people to spend once they roll those quartz.

[Leecros]

Carmilla is a perfectly fine servant you know.

I'm just happy to have my Super Robot Waifu.

I just don't really have much use for Carmilla and would have rather had practically any other SR Servant. (barring a few)

[HMS Invincible]

She has np charge and is anti female assassin. A poor man's Jack. Plus she's got bonus damage in the event.

[Resileaf]

Also she got an animation update and has stopped using caster balls.

[Saambell]

So who else is spending hundreds of thousands of FP rolling for Inshun now that his banner finished? Been trying for him, but no luck yet.

[NeoPhoenix0]

I got an inshun... From a random ticket on musashi banner..

[Tsuzurao]

I hope you guys don't mind me replying to a few posts from last thread. I don't pass through this forum all that often, so stuff I can answer or comment on builds up...


Is there any hard rule for how modern a servant can be? Princess Anastasia is apparently coming out in a few months, and she was born in 1901. The most recently alive servant, so far as I can tell, is Tesla (1856-1943) unless Holmes was real and lived into his nineties. Not counting Fate OCs possessed by gods, Fate OCs chosen by the Counter Force, and whatever Waver's deal is, of course.
There isn't a hard rule. One of many shaky parts of Fate/Stay Night's fan-translation has misled people on that front, but there's nothing stating that a person of the modern era couldn't achieve Heroic Spirit status - it's just a lot harder nowadays.

For reference, it's heavily implied in another branch of the franchise that Neil Armstrong is a Heroic Spirit (but it's unlikely that they'll do anything directly with him, since that means having to deal with his estate).


Yeah, that was my misread. Lartoria is a popular abbreviation for her, it's true. Also Lion King, Storm King, Goddess Rhongomyniad, or Rhongo for short.

*snip*

Pretty sure we're just ignoring all the rules now. I mean, there used to be a "rule" that you can't summon a Divine being in a Servant container. And then we promptly get Stheno and Euryale, but that's fine, because they're not fully-formed Divines. Then we get Brynhildr, but that's fine, because she's only semi-Divine, not really. Then we get Rama, but that's fine, because he's only the reincarnation of a Divine, not an actual one.

And then we get Quetzalcoatl. Just straight-up Quetzalcoatl.

Rules don't matter, is the point. We could get an Albert Einstein Servant with some sort of Relativity NP. Heck, we could get a Michael B. Jordan Servant if Nasu wanted it. The rules matter in this game about as much as continuity matters in Dragon Ball.
For the first part... "Lion King" and "Goddess Rhongomyniad" refer specifically to the version encountered in the Camelot Singularity. The summonable Lancer Artoria is a distinctly different character from her. As for "Storm King", I believe that title is generally reserved for Lancer Artoria Alter (as part of her embracing the 'Arthur leading the Wild Hunt' side of the legend)?

As for the part about deities... this is what happens when the telephone game oversimplifies a point.
It wasn't that it was absolutely impossible to summon a deity - it's that summoning a fully-fledged Divine Spirit would generally have such an intense energy cost that it would be implausible for someone to be able to pull it off (in fact, regarding a Holy Grail War, if you had that much magical energy to throw around, you could have skipped the 'battle of Heroic Spirits' part of the ritual and just fed all of that to the Grail directly.

In Quetzalcoatl's case in particular, due to the particular traits of how Mesoamerican deities work in the Nasuverse, when you summon Quetzalcoatl, you're summoning one of the many beings through whom Quetzalcoatl has acted through (read: "infected" and bestowed divinity unto in the process of using that body to interact with others), because that's how the Mesoamerican deities work in this setting, as opposed to how deities of other cultural spheres tend to operate.


Same as Altera, huh? Okay, let's keep going.
Artemis? Not a Divine, because she merely tagged along with Orion's summon.
Gorgon? Not a Divine, because her Goddess Core is corrupted.
Ana? Not a Divine, because... uh... look, Gorgon!
Melt and Lip? Not Divines, despite being actually composed of goddess data, because they're data entities.
Osakabehime? Not a Divine, because part of her legend involves her being Yokai instead of Divine.
Any number of possessive fusion Divines? Not a Divine, because possessive fusion.
The various Indian figures? ... Look, if you're still with us at this point, you really don't care, do you?
Just saying. At some point, someone wrote the "rules" about what it took to become a Servant, and then left those "rules" around where Medea could find them.

You know what she does with those things.

Artemis is basically paring herself down to 'fit' in Orion's Saint Graph/Spirit Origin, which severely limits how much of her power she can bring to bear (no pun intended). Hence the energy cost is not much different from what it would take to summon Orion himself as a Servant, since she's operating under the limits of his abilities.
Gorgon has long since degraded into a "monster", which actually makes her easier to summon... though that doesn't mean she's safe to summon.
Ana was born a 'flawed deity', and much like Stheno and Euryale, is fairly weak as far as divinities go (but her flawed nature allows her to grow, unlike Stheno and Euryale).
Melt and Lip (and the rest of the Sakura Five) are constructed partially from the Moon Cell's data on deities, but that's a very different status from being a deity outright.
Osakabehime... the Nasuverse isn't using the version of the legend where she's a mountain deity. They're using the version of the legend where she's a kitsune (but she seldom shows fox traits in-game because Tamamo told her that there are too many fox Servants around).
The possessive fusions ("Pseudo-Servant" is the official term) happen because using a compatible mortal as a medium body reduces the magical energy cost significantly.
And with many of the Indian Servants, summoning a mortal avatar like Rama isn't the same thing as summoning, say, Vishnu in his full divine splendor. Nor is summoning a demigod like Karna the same as summoning Surya.


Maybe the sheer amount of ridiculous rule-breaking absurdity that Medea had to work to allow into the game is why there's not enough strength left in her NP to do anything more than strip some buffs and do piddly damage.

I mean for crying out loud, in UBW she used that Noble Phantasm to not only summon another Servant as a Master herself, but to steal Servants from other Masters. At one point she controlled like half the players in the Holy Grail War directly. And in this game it does like 20K damage single-target and strips buffs. Not useless, but way less effect than it should have [/rant].
Rule Breaker just breaks down the 'rules' of a magical contract, or the 'rule' of magecraft that sustains the life of things like golems. Summoning her own Servant was all a matter of Medea's own capability as a mage herself. As for stealing other Servants, the only thing Rule Breaker did was sever the old contract - Medea just forges a new contract by force with her own spellcasting talents immediately afterward.

At any rate, Rule Breaker is established as being a ritual knife that is unsuited for combat, so it having low damage is to be expected.


I think part of it is that lore-wise, most of the Holy War servants from Fate/Stay should really be either 4* or 5*; they are explicitly some of the beefiest folks out there - 5* for Artoria, Gilgamesh, Heracles, and Medea, and 4* for Medusa, Cu Culainn, and Archer seems appropriate. Koujiro being a low-star servant makes perfect sense.

I could imagine a Rule Breaker NP that does no damage, Curses an enemy, and applies a unique status effect that makes them attack their allies instead of their enemies for a turn or two. Still weaker than the Fate/Stay one, but more powerful and in-theme. But that would need to be in the "Top Tier Servant with BS Noble Phantasm" tier.
A Servant's rarity in FGO isn't necessarily a rating of a Servant's power in the setting's lore - it's mostly just about how much Type-Moon and DelightWorks believe they can market said Servant in-game (example, Jack the Ripper is nowhere near Artoria's or Gilgamesh's power level)... with a few other shifts around for differing reasons (keeping some of the familiar old-guard faces in the Bronze-Silver range so that they're available even for players who don't spend much - or any - money on Saint Quartz).


Shimosa seems like a very classic Western.
Which is to also say it seems like a classic samurai/ronin story.
To be expected, honestly. It's been mentioned before that Shimosa leans very hard on paralleling the story of "Makai Tensho" (aka "Samurai Resurrection").


Meanwhile the event is awesome as always. Some dont like the looser translation, but as long as they keep the spirit of the characters and the jokes make sense, Im fine with it. Cant translate jokes/references when we dont get what the original references are. Given they have referenced Firefly and Monty Python in the past when I doubt the original did, I fully support this looser but hilarious translation.
From what has come up in summaries and translations of FGO JP's events? Some of the Monty Python references may have actually been there in the original.


Most of the time, I level servants with the right embers, but for servants that don't have class embers, I give them any embers I get since they'll never get a bonus anyway.
All-Class Embers give bonus XP to every class, including the Extra Classes.

[Resileaf]

All-Class Embers give bonus XP to every class, including the Extra Classes.

Yes, but those are not common enough to feed an extra all on their own unless you save them whenever they appear.

[Hunter Noventa]

A Servant's rarity in FGO isn't necessarily a rating of a Servant's power in the setting's lore - it's mostly just about how much Type-Moon and DelightWorks believe they can market said Servant in-game (example, Jack the Ripper is nowhere near Artoria's or Gilgamesh's power level)... with a few other shifts around for differing reasons (keeping some of the familiar old-guard faces in the Bronze-Silver range so that they're available even for players who don't spend much - or any - money on Saint Quartz).

Yeah this is something to keep in mind when talking about the setting outside the game. Rarity = Relative Power is a gameplay construct. Heck, even the class advantages don't men a ting, its repeated often that Saber is the 'strongest' class in the animes. And other circumstances tie into how strong a servant is like how they were summoned, or in fact where they are summoned. Pretty sure a lot of servants would be buffed by being summoned/fighting in their 'home terrain' to varying amounts. if there were a Holy Grail War in London, Jack the Ripper would be absurdly strong, no doubt.

[Resileaf]

Yeah this is something to keep in mind when talking about the setting outside the game. Rarity = Relative Power is a gameplay construct. Heck, even the class advantages don't men a ting, its repeated often that Saber is the 'strongest' class in the animes. And other circumstances tie into how strong a servant is like how they were summoned, or in fact where they are summoned. Pretty sure a lot of servants would be buffed by being summoned/fighting in their 'home terrain' to varying amounts. if there were a Holy Grail War in London, Jack the Ripper would be absurdly strong, no doubt.

According to Cu Chulainn's lore in the Fateverse, his Noble Phantasm is pretty much guaranteed to kill whoever he attacks unless there's a higher power or plot armor preventing it. In-game, his skillset makes him powerful enough that he is one of the absolute best servants in the entire game. His rarity does not match his power level, both in lore and mechanically.

[Hunter Noventa]

According to Cu Chulainn's lore in the Fateverse, his Noble Phantasm is pretty much guaranteed to kill whoever he attacks unless there's a higher power or plot armor preventing it. In-game, his skillset makes him powerful enough that he is one of the absolute best servants in the entire game. His rarity does not match his power level, both in lore and mechanically.

That's true, it's not an absolute measure, given the disparity in power even among the same rarity, and outliers like our bussy Cu.

[Kitten Champion]

The reason, I suspect, people from the modern era are much less inclined to be Servants - outside of Emiya for plot reasons, the Fate Kaleid girls, and the various Servants unique to the Moon Cell who are technically from the future - is less because of Nasu's metaphysical rules and more because they want to give contemporary politics as wide a berth as possible. It's far, far easier to do someone like Nero, Napoleon, or Columbus than some lightning rod figures from closer to living memory.

It's similar to how, even with significantly religious characters like Christian Saints, they've written around their faith somewhat to... heavily characterize them as having religious piety but not outright state about what, exactly. I doubt, for instance, that even though a Saver class is a thing in Fate/Extra that you'll ever see it again in something like FGO which was expected to - and does - have much more mass-market appeal outside of Japan.

Though, a thought I had about the previous conversation, they could have made the FSN Servants SR/SSR Servants and made Lily/Prototype versions be of lesser rarity. It's weird that Cu and Young Cu are of the same rank, or that Medea's power actually declined into adulthood. Both younger versions should follow Saber Lily's basic formula of [more inexperienced + haven't performed their legendary feats = less powerful and thus less rank] in my opinion.

Still, it's far too late for that now.

[Yael]

According to Cu Chulainn's lore in the Fateverse, his Noble Phantasm is pretty much guaranteed to kill whoever he attacks unless there's a higher power or plot armor preventing it. In-game, his skillset makes him powerful enough that he is one of the absolute best servants in the entire game. His rarity does not match his power level, both in lore and mechanically.


That's true, it's not an absolute measure, given the disparity in power even among the same rarity, and outliers like our bussy Cu.

The actual measure for Heroic Spirits is their Attibutes (from their servant page), which measures them from E to A (EX) and that's where you see where a servant is superior to others. Rarity is, as said before, just for fitting the waifu sales, and stats are actually left for fluff only, when it should be the correct measure of their true power as units.

Though I'd like these stats to affect something in gameplay, because having them just be there is kinda useless. They give information to your servant, but even if that's the case, they have no relative value to their ATK and HP, which kinda sucks.

[chainer1216]

All that said its still bull that Cu is only a 3star, mythologically speaking his most comparable counterparts are all at least 4star, and on the waifu/husbando front hes arguably the most popular male character.

Honestly their treatment of all the Irish characters is a shame.

[Tsuzurao]

I repeat: they wanted to have some of the memorable faces from the old guard of Fate-franchise Servants be more easily accessible. Hence Cu, Medea and Medusa being 3* Servants, who can be acquired (with enough time) from the Friend Point gacha, so the people who got into the franchise through Fate/Stay Night can reliably get a few familiar faces even if they don't spend money on SQ.

Or for the Fate/Zero fans, having Hundred-Personas and Diarmuid at 3* rarity.

Or for the Fate/Apocrypha crowd, Spartacus and Shakespeare being a 1* and a 2* respectively, or Avicebron (once he gets added) being a 3*.

Or for the Fate/Extra-series fans, Robin Hood and Lu Bu being 3* Servants, or Andersen being a 2* Caster.

Or for the Fate/Prototype-series fans, Serenity being a 3* Servant, and Arash being a 1* Servant.

... and then Aŋra Mainiiu is them just joking with making a super-secret 0* Servant in the Friend Point gacha that they basically never directly acknowledge in the official news section, but even he (and Euryale, a 3*) are familiar faces for Fate/Hollow Ataraxia fans.


It would be less enjoyable for the starting players if all of the familiar faces were kept in the gold-rarity tiers, meaning you absolutely needed to throw down Saint Quartz to be able to acquire any of the Servants you might have known from other Fate-franchise works.

Also, I'm pretty sure EMIYA and Gilgamesh generally outshine Cu in regards to popularity among F/SN male Servants, at least from what I recall of popularity polls I've seen.

[Kitten Champion]

So - with regards to the Babylon anime quests - do they label the field type somewhere and I'm just oblivious to it?

'Cause I had to look up what constituted a [Burning] field. First I tried the Old Well within the event, ya'know the one where you fight Tesla in an active volcano. I was hoping to do the giant enemy mission at the same time all while farming Beam Cookies. Apparently being surrounded by lava doesn't count as [Burning].

Then I tried the Wasteland mission in Camelot, with the blackened flaming ground in the background. Apparently that wasn't [Burning] either.

Then I looked it up on the wiki and it's literally the first free mission in the game within Fuyuki, costs 3 AP, and took about three minutes if you include loading. The background is indeed on fire, so it makes sense objectively... but what are those other fields then?

[NeoPhoenix0]

not all fields have a type, and sometimes i think it's a case of if they remember field type is a thing. it is a very niche mechanic.

however, i loathe whoever had the idea to make a claw of chaos drop a quest. i need to get these done quickly so i can get back to emptying the event shop of magatamas, mana prisms, fous, and some pieces and monuments i am running low on.

[Red Fel]

So - with regards to the Babylon anime quests - do they label the field type somewhere and I'm just oblivious to it?

'Cause I had to look up what constituted a [Burning] field. First I tried the Old Well within the event, ya'know the one where you fight Tesla in an active volcano. I was hoping to do the giant enemy mission at the same time all while farming Beam Cookies. Apparently being surrounded by lava doesn't count as [Burning].

Then I tried the Wasteland mission in Camelot, with the blackened flaming ground in the background. Apparently that wasn't [Burning] either.

Then I looked it up on the wiki and it's literally the first free mission in the game within Fuyuki, costs 3 AP, and took about three minutes if you include loading. The background is indeed on fire, so it makes sense objectively... but what are those other fields then?

Generally, it's a field that has fire in it. Not lava, fire. So Fuyuki X-A counts. Also, if you want to clear some Dragons and Giant enemies at the same time, Nippur in Babylonia counts as a Burning field - because the city's on fire in the background.

But yeah. Basically, if there's enough fire in the background that they thought to tag it, it counts as Burning. Same with Forest, which really threw me when several places that felt like they should be Forest weren't.


not all fields have a type, and sometimes i think it's a case of if they remember field type is a thing. it is a very niche mechanic.

however, i loathe whoever had the idea to make a claw of chaos drop a quest. i need to get these done quickly so i can get back to emptying the event shop of magatamas, mana prisms, fous, and some pieces and monuments i am running low on.

There are several options for efficiently farming Claws. Don't bother doing it in the event stages, they're terrible. But if you run Ur in Babylonia, you can get Wild Beasts and Forest clears while trying to get your Claws - and there are three Chimeras there, so that's three chances. You can also try Underground Plains in Agartha, which also gives you Dragon clears and a chance at Dragon Fangs. I went with Ur, personally.

Rather ironically, the only mission I completed with event stages was the ghosts - and the event was actually perfect for that, because I could tweak spawn rates. The rest I completed elsewhere, either in Orleans, America, or Babylonia.

[Nerocite]

The interludes are also a great place for some of the missions, Fuuma has beasts and ghosts for example.

[NeoPhoenix0]

Strange, according to the info I've seen, the single chimera in Des Moines in America puts out more claws. Don't need a dragon fang though, got that from an event stage, just need some more dragon clears, the claw, a few forest clears Andi think that's all I got left after I played catch up on the event and doing the fuyuki stages and crab hunt.

[Kitten Champion]

Getting Dragon Fangs through the event seems pretty easy. I got one in the Burial Chamber mission without even knowing I needed one.

I got a Chaos Claw in Des Moines after three or four tries.

I'm not at Babylon yet, so I got the Shell in Okeanos' Archipelago after about three attempts.

I did the Great West Pillar in the event to get the Ghosts finished quickly.

I did the Britannia quest in Septem to complete the Beast quest without spending much AP.

...and then at the recommendation of the wiki I did the Thiers free quest in Orleans four times, completing the Dragon and Forest quests together.

All this together took about my whole day's AP.

[Resileaf]

For now I'm a bit more focused on doing the event than getting the quartz. I'll probably set aside a few apples this weekend to get whatever I couldn't get.

[NeoPhoenix0]

my good luck from the dark forest grinding days has been canceled out by the 400 ap claw from des moines, in the dark forest days when that would be a normal amount of ap i usually got one in a single ap bar...

[Velaryon]

There are several options for efficiently farming Claws. Don't bother doing it in the event stages, they're terrible. But if you run Ur in Babylonia, you can get Wild Beasts and Forest clears while trying to get your Claws - and there are three Chimeras there, so that's three chances. You can also try Underground Plains in Agartha, which also gives you Dragon clears and a chance at Dragon Fangs. I went with Ur, personally.

Rather ironically, the only mission I completed with event stages was the ghosts - and the event was actually perfect for that, because I could tweak spawn rates. The rest I completed elsewhere, either in Orleans, America, or Babylonia.

Any suggestions on where to farm the Claws if I haven't unlocked Babylonia yet? I'm early in Camelot, if that helps.

[Kitten Champion]

Any suggestions on where to farm the Claws if I haven't unlocked Babylonia yet? I'm early in Camelot, if that helps.

Have you tried Des Moines? According to the wiki, the Chimera there has a 20% drop rate for Claws.

It's also only 18 AP and pretty easy to clear.

[HMS Invincible]

Nightwyrm, can you upgrade your tamamo maid skills? Trying a final Halloween Sprint, and your level 4 attack makes me sad.

[nightwyrm]

Nightwyrm, can you upgrade your tamamo maid skills? Trying a final Halloween Sprint, and your level 4 attack makes me sad.

Lv 8 now. Don't have the hearts and lore for lv 10.

What CE do u want for her?

[HMS Invincible]

Lv 8 now. Don't have the hearts and lore for lv 10.

What CE do u want for her?

Any + currency will do, I don't think anyone spent a lot of tickets on CEs. + Beam cookie or missile ramune if you have it.

[chainer1216]

Just beat the Final Singularity thismorning, that second to last fight was a bitch and as always in tough fights like that i was carried by Jeanne.

it occures to me only now i havent put my friend code out there.

Zander 656.067.621

[Yael]

So, due to my very busy recent school weeks, I wasn't able to play any FGO save from the login. When I noticed (yesterday, to be precise), the event was 1 day away from finishing, and I was 4 misions in.

So there I was, with a full event to grind and basically no time. I grabbed my apples and desire for that kawaii welfare Eli, so I somehow played through the whole thing, within 23 hours of semi-continuous gameplay (minus 6 hours of sleep and two for school), and I managed to get the 100 missions, MK.II, the Golden Fous, and a lot of relief, as I managed to pull it off within 4 hours of it ending.
:smallsigh::smallsigh:

[HMS Invincible]

So, due to my very busy recent school weeks, I wasn't able to play any FGO save from the login. When I noticed (yesterday, to be precise), the event was 1 day away from finishing, and I was 4 misions in.

So there I was, with a full event to grind and basically no time. I grabbed my apples and desire for that kawaii welfare Eli, so I somehow played through the whole thing, within 23 hours of semi-continuous gameplay (minus 6 hours of sleep and two for school), and I managed to get the 100 missions, MK.II, the Golden Fous, and a lot of relief, as I managed to pull it off within 4 hours of it ending.
:smallsigh::smallsigh:

Congrats, your dedication is incredible. I too am desperately trying to empty out the goodies in the shop, at least the non monument ones.

[Kitten Champion]

I cleared the whole shop out two or three days ago. I was considering grinding for QP which I lack, but I don't think the AP spent on getting Beam Cookies would be dramatically more efficient than clearing Treasure Vault missions. Even if it were at the moment I just want more embers. I have six SR/SSR Servants - including Mecha Liz - who need them.

After getting crushed in Camelot twice now, I'd like a beefier roster if nothing else.

I do have a level 70 Euryale now though, who's supposed to be useful in this Singularity. I could've used her against Gawain.

[NeoPhoenix0]

i feel we may have entered the generous age of type moon. where they realize they have the most profitable gotcha game and start handing out lots of stuff to keep the game popular cause even that barely dents the whale money supply.

[Hunter Noventa]

i feel we may have entered the generous age of type moon. where they realize they have the most profitable gotcha game and start handing out lots of stuff to keep the game popular cause even that barely dents the whale money supply.

If they truly felt generous they would up the drop rates.

[Kitten Champion]

If they truly felt generous they would up the drop rates.

Madness. You might as well ask them to portray characters as their canonical or historically accurate gender.

[NeoPhoenix0]

If they truly felt generous they would up the drop rates.
Yeah, but the would actually much more than make a small dent int the whale money

[Hunter Noventa]

Yeah, but the would actually much more than make a small dent int the whale money

Exactly my point.

Though, I did just have an idea for a 'Platinum Ticket', an item you get a single pull with that's guaranteed to pull a servant. Not necessarily a banner servant or even a 4* servant, but it would eliminate all the CEs from contention when you pull. Would be nice, but it'll never happen.

[ImperatorV]

Well, I just spent 160k FP and turned it all into CE bombs. CE bombing is so tedious.

Oh, but the grind's not over yet, because for a limited time I don't have the "It's the wrong day" excuse for embers and gems! I should get all my servants skills to 6 and level all my four and five stars to max. Whether I will actually do so is dubious. Especially since I'm almost out of QP again so I'll need to grind for that too if I push far enough (If I had infinite QP there's like a dozen different servant skills I could get to 10).

[Hunter Noventa]

Well, I just spent 160k FP and turned it all into CE bombs. CE bombing is so tedious.

Oh, but the grind's not over yet, because for a limited time I don't have the "It's the wrong day" excuse for embers and gems! I should get all my servants skills to 6 and level all my four and five stars to max. Whether I will actually do so is dubious. Especially since I'm almost out of QP again so I'll need to grind for that too if I push far enough (If I had infinite QP there's like a dozen different servant skills I could get to 10).

After the extra load of items in the mana prism shop, i need to farm prisms myself, so no embers for me, unless 48 ones drop in the 3* nodes...

[NeoPhoenix0]

this has allowed me to finish my lancer gem farming. now i need to choose between leveling servants to farm their rank up SQ, or farming a ton of magatamas, cause the 20 from the last event is not enough.

[Kitten Champion]

I completed the Final Singularity, after starting last Friday and playing through from near the beginning of Camelot and on through Babylonia.

Playing without worrying about AP and just going through the story was really fun. I understood more of the intended structure of the campaign, Babylonia was in particularly well-crafted with lighter missions and story breaks to keep the sense of flow and tension somewhat more reasonable.

I was also able to just keep retrying missions with impunity with the reduced AP cost, so I could rethink my line-up a couple of times. Which was particularly hard in Camelot because I wanted to use Guest Servants as much as possible for the FPs - especially with the x2 bonus - but it just made the more difficult missions tedious if not near impossible. Which wasn't an issue for all of Babylonia, the Servants were all about as useful as the ones on my friends list and they usually didn't throw them into situations where they had an obvious class disadvantage.

I ended up using my seals on the battle with Quetzalcoatl, I simply couldn't fulfill the necessary damage output with Carmilla and no one else did anything at all, so I just wanted it to be over. Thus I didn't have my seals in place to beat the Final Singularity and that second-to-last fight seemed designed for you to waste them. I beat the Singularity literally only with Mash-Waver-Jalter up until then -- with Martha occasionally being swapped in for White Magery purposes. Being Mash-less there really got under my skin.

Anyways, now I can get the rest of the 8 Million Downloads missions done and go farm Caster gems as I wanted to do before I saw 30 SQ tantalizingly dangled before my eyes.

[NeoPhoenix0]

mega maintenance... neat.

[HMS Invincible]

mega maintenance... neat.

Now I don't feel so bad about not emptying my AP pool.

[Resileaf]

Now I don't feel so bad about not emptying my AP pool.

I feel bad for not having emptied my AP pool.

[Kitten Champion]

I never got those Caster gems, and I just got another SR Caster with Gil from the banner. Though I will say, despite the cost this will exact on my Caster Mats, it's still nice to actually have another male SR/SSR Servant outside of Waver.

Still need to finish the [Grassy Field] mission. Which is total BS because there are numerous free missions on grassy fields - especially in France - but apparently you need to go to specific missions in Babylonia. The [Burning Field] mission thing from before is one thing, but how was I supposed to know that beyond the wiki?

[nightwyrm]

So the maintenance ends at 18:00 PST and the game day resets at 20:00 PST, you have 2 hours to login to maintain your streak, good luck everybody.

For our European brothers/sisters, set your alarms for early morning.

[Resileaf]

So the maintenance ends at 18:00 PST and the game day resets at 20:00 PST, you have 2 hours to login to maintain your streak, good luck everybody.

For our European brothers/sisters, set your alarms for early morning.

Maintenance is extended to 20:00 PST. Streak will be impossible to keep.

[Kitten Champion]

Maintenance is extended to 20:00 PST. Streak will be impossible to keep.

Well, ****.

I was a week and a bit until I got the bonus.

[Resileaf]

Well, ****.

I was a week and a bit until I got the bonus.

They'll surely make up for it with a lot of quartz and giving us back lost time. They usually do.

Also that long login streak does not get broken by unlogged days, only the weekly streak does.

[Kitten Champion]

Also that long login streak does not get broken by unlogged days, only the weekly streak does.

Oh, that's good to know. I've not had reason to break it thus far, but the holidays are coming and who knows if I'm sane or sober enough to login.

I don't really doubt we'll get those 10 summon tickets they promised - I mean, the climactic prize of the 8 million FGO download celebration cancelled by literal day-long maintenance would be somewhat poor optics - but I wasn't sure about the time left for vault farming or the streak bonus. Maintenance has never been this lengthy since I started playing again.

Did we get extra time back in the last Halloween rerun event for the bugged challenge missions?

[nightwyrm]

We didn't get extra time in Halloween for the bugged missions but the last time we had a 20+ hr maintenance in last year's nerofest, we got an extra day for the event.

[NeoPhoenix0]

Maintenance is extended to 20:00 PST. Streak will be impossible to keep.
the website still says 18:00 PST, not sure where you are getting the 20:00 PST from. also 18 is when they will update us, not necessarily when it will end.

[Resileaf]

the website still says 18:00 PST, not sure where you are getting the 20:00 PST from. also 18 is when they will update us, not necessarily when it will end.

My bad, I got my information from someone who got mistaken.

[nightwyrm]

Welp, maintenance got extended to 20:00 PST anyways. Impossible to not break everyone's login streak. Just relax and see how they'll deal with the compensation now.

[NeoPhoenix0]

And also wait and see if apple app store cooperates. No wonder a lot of apps just let people sit through massive in game updates for new downloads instead of updating app in store regularly

[Yael]

Well, here's the response for that dreaded streak-killer maintenance. (https://fate-go.us/news/?category=MAINTENANCE&article=%2Fiframe%2F2019%2F1110_maintenance%2F)

We'll get 34 SQ total, plus 30 Golden Apples.

For what's worth, it kinda covers what was lost, however it only grants 3 SQ as compensation (due to losing the 30 SQ worth of Summoning Tickets, and the 2nd day SQ for weekly login streaks). It was weak, unless the 10 tickets are also granted, in which case this was a great thing, as the cumulative Login bonus is not lost, only the weekly. It's gonna look pretty bad with a 1 / 700+ logins, but whatever, as long as those 50-day rewards aren't lost, I guess it's fine.

EDIT: I do believe the server is up, however due to the amount of people trying to get into the game, the server's very busy. Good luck on those rewards anyway~!

[Resileaf]

They're going to do an extra compensation for the lost streak of the 8 million campaign. They'll announce it later.

[NeoPhoenix0]

they probably bumped the maintenance that extra 2 hours for the sake of making everyone on the same page so they can figure out an equal distribution and not worry about people being able or unable to login to claim it.

[Velaryon]

I used 30 of that compensation SQ on a 10x roll on the new banner, and I ended up with 4 copies of the same 3* event CE, 1 copy of a 4* event CE, and my first Kaleidoscope.

[Kitten Champion]

I used 30 of that compensation SQ on a 10x roll on the new banner, and I ended up with 4 copies of the same 3* event CE, 1 copy of a 4* event CE, and my first Kaleidoscope.

I did the same, got 3 copies of the 4* and 1 of the 3*. No Kaleidoscope of course.

Still, I now have something to give my Support Servants, as I don't have any of the Event ones levelled up besides Mash and Martha.

[NeoPhoenix0]

a bit unfortunate but looks like anyone planning on using the 8 mil login tickets for event CEs for the rerun is mostly out of luck. since everyone will be getting them near the end of the event. at least we will be getting the rewards eventually. i plan on using them next month anyway.

[Leecros]

https://i.postimg.cc/pdn8qf0R/74974790-559306671547548-2321101786770833408-n.jpg

I will never roll that many gold plated cards again.

[Saambell]

https://i.postimg.cc/pdn8qf0R/74974790-559306671547548-2321101786770833408-n.jpg

I will never roll that many gold plated cards again.

Cant do that with Single Rolls, that's for sure. Meanwhile I did 4 single rolls across 3 banners with some of the Sorry Quartz, and the game blessed me with 3 Star CEs.

I think the "luckiest" I have been was in the CCC event, with:

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/386178826075635744/573392698107625472/Screenshot_2019-05-02-01-48-27.png?width=1352&height=676

Paid for this, way too much. And that was the very last roll of the near 600SQ spent. Not proud, and probably not worth it, but Kiara is one of my favourite villains.

[Kitten Champion]

Out of pure jealousy I decided to do another 10 Spin.

I somehow ended up with a Sanzang and an Emiya to boot.

No idea where that Sanzang came from. Probably the East.

[Saambell]

Out of pure jealousy I decided to do another 10 Spin.

I somehow ended up with a Sanzang and an Emiya to boot.

No idea where that Sanzang came from. Probably the East.

Nice, Bulma is one of the few 5 Star Buster Caster Powerhouses. Most others are known for their support abilities, but she along with Illya and Nero are the attackers of the class. Need assassin bosses dead? Ride the Flying Nimbus into melee combat and punch them into a mountain.

[Kitten Champion]

Nice, Bulma is one of the few 5 Star Buster Caster Powerhouses. Most others are known for their support abilities, but she along with Illya and Nero are the attackers of the class. Need assassin bosses dead? Ride the Flying Nimbus into melee combat and punch them into a mountain.

Bulma was supposed to be Xuanzang? I suppose she'd have to be, just for lack of a better alternative among the Dragonball main characters.

While I've genuinely wanted her and have rolled for her banner when I got a spare ticket - mostly for her character from Camelot - I'm pretty heavy with un-levelled Casters at the moment. After getting Waver in Nerofest and devoting most of my resources to boosting him, at Halloween I suddenly got Nitocris and Helena Blavatsky in quick succession while looking for Event CEs, and finally I just rolled Caster Gilgamesh off the Babylonia banner.

I need so many Caster gems, so many.

[Red Fel]

Bulma was supposed to be Xuanzang? I suppose she'd have to be, just for lack of a better alternative among the Dragonball main characters.

I mean, grounded, otherwise human character in a cast full of supernatural beings, unseals the monkey king and draws him into an adventure, restraining his more extreme impulses and acting as a moral center?

Seems legit.


While I've genuinely wanted her and have rolled for her banner when I got a spare ticket - mostly for her character from Camelot - I'm pretty heavy with un-levelled Casters at the moment. After getting Waver in Nerofest and devoting most of my resources to boosting him, at Halloween I suddenly got Nitocris and Helena Blavatsky in quick succession while looking for Event CEs, and finally I just rolled Caster Gilgamesh off the Babylonia banner.

I need so many Caster gems, so many.

Thing to remember is that you don't need to level all of your casters - at least, not all at once. This is especially true if you have two 5-star Casters, and especially true if one of them is Waver and the other is Sanzang.

I've had an incomplete Nito sitting in my Chaldea for awhile now. And an incomplete Best Gil. After pouring resources into Waver and Casko - especially Waver - I'm pretty tapped out for awhile. So instead of leveling my Casters, I've switched to skilling up some of my other Servants. Like Quetz.

That's the trick to it. Don't sweat the classes you've tapped out on. Instead, focus on another class, and be pleasantly surprised when the resources gradually refill. For instance, focus on, say, Archers, and just let the Caster mats replenish on their own.

Or, you know, just scream into the unforgiving void of RNG. I do that too.

[Kitten Champion]

I mean, grounded, otherwise human character in a cast full of supernatural beings, unseals the monkey king and draws him into an adventure, restraining his more extreme impulses and acting as a moral center?

Seems legit.

He's human, technically, but I remember Xuanzang having a whole host of supernatural abilities himself. I guess it's all relative, like being Captain America in the Avengers.

It feels like Xuanzang's character got mixed into Goku and then Toriyama gave some of Wukong's impishness to Bulma. Which is probably a better character dynamic admittedly.




Thing to remember is that you don't need to level all of your casters - at least, not all at once. This is especially true if you have two 5-star Casters, and especially true if one of them is Waver and the other is Sanzang.

I've had an incomplete Nito sitting in my Chaldea for awhile now. And an incomplete Best Gil. After pouring resources into Waver and Casko - especially Waver - I'm pretty tapped out for awhile. So instead of leveling my Casters, I've switched to skilling up some of my other Servants. Like Quetz.

That's the trick to it. Don't sweat the classes you've tapped out on. Instead, focus on another class, and be pleasantly surprised when the resources gradually refill. For instance, focus on, say, Archers, and just let the Caster mats replenish on their own.

Or, you know, just scream into the unforgiving void of RNG. I do that too.

I am levelling them one at a time, it's more that Waver's been in my roster since Nerofest and I'm still working on feeding him materials and QP - especially QP - and I'm not super-looking forward to repeating it. Though this rerun event is making my life notably easier.

Incidently, what happens when two Servants use Target Focus in the same turn? If I had a Mash/Xuanzang party - which I will - do the enemies randomly choose between the two?

[Resileaf]

I am levelling them one at a time, it's more that Waver's been in my roster since Nerofest and I'm still working on feeding him materials and QP - especially QP - and I'm not super-looking forward to repeating it. Though this rerun event is making my life notably easier.

Incidently, what happens when two Servants use Target Focus in the same turn? If I had a Mash/Xuanzang party - which I will - do the enemies randomly choose between the two?

For what it's worth, Xuanzang is less reliant on skills than Waver since she's less of a support. You can afford not to level her skills too much.

And yes, taunting with two characters makes the enemies attack either randomly.

[Kitten Champion]

For what it's worth, Xuanzang is less reliant on skills than Waver since she's less of a support. You can afford not to level her skills too much.

And yes, taunting with two characters makes the enemies attack either randomly.

Okay, I was assuming it was either that or the last one to cast it would take precedence.

'Cause I could see a situation where I want Mash's NP gain and Xuanzang's Damage Reduction when receiving an aoe attack.

[ellenate]

Am i the only one who's drowning in mats and never really feels compelled to go hard on event shops...

(I actually like grinding but if it is to no end- why bother? I can usually pull through for bond points but everyone is in the hundred thousands, so no urgency. My only real motivation here is that i really like clearing lotto boxes.)

Though it has its perks, like not having to worry about your lackluster bonus servants. (40 ap battles are getting dicey) :smallsmile:

[Resileaf]

Am i the only one who's drowning in mats and never really feels compelled to go hard on event shops...

(I actually like grinding but if it is to no end- why bother? I can usually pull through for bond points but everyone is in the hundred thousands, so no urgency. My only real motivation here is that i really like clearing lotto boxes.)

Though it has its perks, like not having to worry about your lackluster bonus servants. (40 ap battles are getting dicey) :smallsmile:

It highly depends on which servants you upgrade. If you have your small team of servants and don't really focus on others, you'll never want for mats. But if you try to upgrade many servants, you'll find yourself having some shortages.

[Kitten Champion]

It highly depends on which servants you upgrade. If you have your small team of servants and don't really focus on others, you'll never want for mats. But if you try to upgrade many servants, you'll find yourself having some shortages.

Even if I didn't need the mats - which I do, at least the feathers - I always want the Fous and as many Mana Prisms as possible.

Though I agree that the Roulette is my favourite event mechanic I've seen thus far.

[nightwyrm]

You think you have a lot of mats and then you 10/10/10 a few SR or SSR servants and now you're back in mat hell.

The grind is eternal. :eek:

[NeoPhoenix0]

I could only 10/10/10 a few Sr/ssr servants of I spent vlike 50 gold apples on vault farming. And tbh the skill gems are a much bigger problem than other mats for me. getting servants skills to 7 is a lot harder than getting them to 10

[ellenate]

You think you have a lot of mats and then you 10/10/10 a few SR or SSR servants and now you're back in mat hell.

The grind is eternal. :eek:


It highly depends on which servants you upgrade. If you have your small team of servants and don't really focus on others, you'll never want for mats. But if you try to upgrade many servants, you'll find yourself having some shortages.


"Lean and mean" is my general approach but beyond efficiency-

If it's not a support skill, it just doesn't feel like you're getting your money's worth.

10/10/10 is an exclusive club for my grailed servants... makes the whole "ceremony" that much more special.

speaking of... they grow up so quickly, bond+ can't come any sooner.

my favorites are starting to all max out (currently at 3) and well... https://gamepress.gg/grandorder/manga/chapter-27-0 (it hurts but it's so true. how slowly the bp's rack up, i didn't even think maxing was realistic, but welp.)

[NeoPhoenix0]

is it just me or is the CE drop rate much higher this rerun? i haven't even been spending all my AP and i already have 2 drops from quests.

[Kitten Champion]

is it just me or is the CE drop rate much higher this rerun? i haven't even been spending all my AP and i already have 2 drops from quests.

I haven't gotten one yet. Supposedly the last free mission has a 2% drop rate for it, so I'm hoping for that to change my luck.


Incidently, I just realized that the Amakusa Shirou bit in the story is a Tuxedo Mask reference. At least I'm pretty sure it is.

[chainer1216]

The slow pacing of this event is killing me.

[Velaryon]

is it just me or is the CE drop rate much higher this rerun? i haven't even been spending all my AP and i already have 2 drops from quests.

I haven't gotten a single CE drop from running quests. On the other hand, I got 4 copies of the same event CE from a single 10x friend summon.

[NeoPhoenix0]

so many tickets and SQ lately. it's like a flood. and english speaker specific qol stuff like subtitles too. this is all very strangely generous relative to how things have been.


I haven't gotten one yet. Supposedly the last free mission has a 2% drop rate for it, so I'm hoping for that to change my luck.


Incidently, I just realized that the Amakusa Shirou bit in the story is a Tuxedo Mask reference. At least I'm pretty sure it is.

the mask is a running gag in events. it could be a tuxedo mask reference as well, they like making multiple references at once. actually which event is the first one with the mask gag? was it the first summer event? i can't remember.

[Kitten Champion]

Really like the subtitles. It makes the NPs feel even more epic because they've only used them for the very rare in-battle cut-scene before, and while I can generally understand the Japanese there are a lot of esoteric and non-Japanese words in some of those.

Also, I tend to play with my sound down, so that's cool.

[Velaryon]

I love the subtitles. I don't speak a word of Japanese so it's nice to know what all that talk before Noble Phantasm names is all about.

[Resileaf]

I love the subtitles. I don't speak a word of Japanese so it's nice to know what all that talk before Noble Phantasm names is all about.

Technically you can see the lines in the profiles of each servant, but it's very nice to get the subtitles during NP use.

[Red Fel]

Technically you can see the lines in the profiles of each servant, but it's very nice to get the subtitles during NP use.

Somehow the subtitles make the NPs feel more cinematic. Which, given that they're unskippable cinematic clips, feels entirely appropriate.

[Manticoran]

I stopped playing for like 6 months as I got a new job and moved 3000 miles, and just... Needed to spend time doing other things. Playing again now though!

025,817,326

Add me!

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486715948536037381/646523305498771466/unknown.png?width=948&height=452

This is my "standard" support setup.

[Leecros]

I stopped playing for like 6 months as I got a new job and moved 3000 miles, and just... Needed to spend time doing other things. Playing again now though!

025,817,326

Add me!

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486715948536037381/646523305498771466/unknown.png?width=948&height=452

This is my "standard" support setup.

Sent you a request! Welcome back!

[Yael]

In the end, the promised tickets were delivered!

And I also enjoy the subtitles. Believe it or not, this is kinda the way I learned basic English way back while playing Ocarina of Time and Conker's Bad Fur Day on the N64 (yeah, that last one was probably not a great example for a 9 year old to follow, but I was learning at least n_nU), so as a japanese student myself it is a great help to get used to some words and their meanings.

[Hunter Noventa]

To easily clear some of the new thanksgiving master missions, run Montgomery in America once, and Jura in Orleans twice. After that it's just ember and QP farming.

[NeoPhoenix0]

and i finish the final lotto box as the event wraps up. got the important bits out of the shop, only used apples to make up for not using all my naturally generated ap. still have a ton of bronz and silver apples.

[ImperatorV]

Pff I have 280 golden apples. I can never use them faster then I get them.

For this event, I managed to clear 9 lotto boxes, 5 of them were done during the last 12 hours of the event. I'm tired.

Also, I noticed I had 13 tickets today and tossed them all at various banners. Pulled King Hassan on the last ticket. That's really good for me, assassins are one of my few remaining weak points, and I have 400 quartz saved for Ereshkigal, so farming assassin embers for King Hassan also gets me lancer embers I can save for her.

[Hunter Noventa]

I just did not have the time or energy to farm the event, which is more or less fine as I got Smolter last year. Now to take advantage of this Half AP bonus so I can rebuild my prism stock.

[nightwyrm]

I stopped playing for like 6 months as I got a new job and moved 3000 miles, and just... Needed to spend time doing other things. Playing again now though!

025,817,326

Add me!

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486715948536037381/646523305498771466/unknown.png?width=948&height=452

This is my "standard" support setup.

Request sent.

[ellenate]

first time i've seen the "you didn't get the event servant" screen...

even though i have her i still freaked out a little when i noticed the event was over. it went so quick.

figured we'd get salem right after but i guess a dead week it be. :smallmad:

[Saambell]

"Dead week" with some of the best grinding time ever. Im drowning in low level low rarity servants as well as a few low utility golds I haven't bothered with. I also need a poop ton of pages and lanterns. I also am super behind on Shimosa still at the Archer Inferno fight, so a dead week is highly welcome. I refuse to believe anyone could actually have literally no need for embers, gems, or qp. I am ALWAYS in high need of all 3.

[Manticoran]

As I stopped playing around agartha, I'm pretty happy for the opportunity to catch up on the singularities.

[Resileaf]

"Dead week" with some of the best grinding time ever. Im drowning in low level low rarity servants as well as a few low utility golds I haven't bothered with. I also need a poop ton of pages and lanterns. I also am super behind on Shimosa still at the Archer Inferno fight, so a dead week is highly welcome. I refuse to believe anyone could actually have literally no need for embers, gems, or qp. I am ALWAYS in high need of all 3.

Agreed. We need those so-called dead weeks. Especially after a grinding-heavy event like Christmas. Let me enjoy a few days of relaxing farming.

[ellenate]

i guess i'm the only one hyped for a certain banner. :smalleek:

quite frankly, i'd take another back-to-back like summer (?), but the monthly reset tickets will be a nice addition.

[Saambell]

That's the weird thing of the FGO fans. They will complain of back to back events and stories due to burn out and fatigue. Then the instant they have a quiet moment they complain of dead weeks.

I will admit, I would rather have Hokusai then Abi, not that will stop me from one or two 10 rolls on Abi's banner.

[ellenate]

That's the weird thing of the FGO fans. They will complain of back to back events and stories due to burn out and fatigue. Then the instant they have a quiet moment they complain of dead weeks.

I will admit, I would rather have Hokusai then Abi, not that will stop me from one or two 10 rolls on Abi's banner.



I was originally shooting for "Kat Usa" but after chickening out on Osakabehime (whoever was brave enough to pull on that banner for her has my respect) i had to readjust my sights.


being close was a perk but with Abby's banner. you get a chance at her and a single target caster (queen of sheba). The only thing that could make it better would be an exclusive ce.

It all works out better as i want to pull heavy during next summer and i can get a head start on saving.


plus gameplay wise

Kat usa's skills do nothing for me. I was always just into here for the design and Np animation.


While Abby and Sheba have great designs and skills i like using (party buffs).

[ImperatorV]

I'm very much enjoying the dead week, personally. It gives me time for qp farming and days where I just log in and do nothing. Great for recovering from grindy events.

[Velaryon]

As someone who is still progressing through the singularities and who has lost out on several event quests that are locked to me because of it, I absolutely love having a dead week. However, I could also have benefited from another day or two of this last event. I didn't quite clear the lottery, and there were a few other things I wanted to buy in the event shop that I didn't have time to get. I still got over 90% of it all, but even one more day would have been appreciated.

[Kitten Champion]

I got my Parvati, Lancer Artoria Alter, and Sanzang to max level with the 1/2 off ember grinding. Also went through the extremely tedious process of grinding Caster gems. After, like, 80 times through the Novice Caster training ground I'm still only around 60% done.

Generally though, now that I've had a chance to get some of that heavy lifting out of the way I do feel much better. Rolling for a new Servant at least feels much more reasonable.

[Nerocite]

I'm in the Bone Zone right now, looking forward to Salem and Xmas.

[Red Fel]

Yeah, I've mostly just been using the 1/2 AP dailies to refill my mana prisms. Aside from that, just leveling some 4-stars to 80. Not a lot of rush, really. Kind of enjoying the low-pressure of dead week.

While it lasts.

[ellenate]

It seems as though Padoru has broken into fgo na headquarters.

May we all pray she's successful in her 25 day siege.


(They're not messing around, starting this advent calendar off strong. I don't want to get too hyped for day 25 but...)

[Saambell]

It seems as though Padoru has broken into fgo na headquarters.

May we all pray she's successful in her 25 day siege.


(They're not messing around, starting this advent calendar off strong. I don't want to get too hyped for day 25 but...)

And yet we STILL haven't had a Santa Nero, despite being the primary source of Christmas Memes in the Fate community. Or a Nero Alter for that matter. Heck, all the other Saber Clones have had Alters, besides Nero and Mordred. And there has yet to be a Padaru joke in the FGO Christmas Events. Heck, even Mash has a sort of Alter in that her fused spirit has an Alter form in one of the other series.

Basically, I just want another Nero. I got all 3, now I wish for more. If Nero Rider is actually a thing, and not a fake, then I really hope she gets adapted as Nero Alter.

[Tsuzurao]

And yet we STILL haven't had a Santa Nero, despite being the primary source of Christmas Memes in the Fate community. Or a Nero Alter for that matter. Heck, all the other Saber Clones have had Alters, besides Nero and Mordred. And there has yet to be a Padaru joke in the FGO Christmas Events. Heck, even Mash has a sort of Alter in that her fused spirit has an Alter form in one of the other series.

Basically, I just want another Nero. I got all 3, now I wish for more. If Nero Rider is actually a thing, and not a fake, then I really hope she gets adapted as Nero Alter.

I hear there was a bit in FGO NP where Nero was seen in a scene with a bunch of Alter Servants, and when someone asks why she's the odd duck in the group, Nero implies that she, in a sense, may already be the Alter version of Heroic Spirit Nero Claudius.

The "Alter" heading is an 'alternative version' of the hero in question, but it doesn't inherently mean a darker or more evil alternative.

As it is, there's been a lot of hints circling around Nero, but few concrete answers.

[Red Fel]

I hear there was a bit in FGO NP where Nero was seen in a scene with a bunch of Alter Servants, and when someone asks why she's the odd duck in the group, Nero implies that she, in a sense, may already be the Alter version of Heroic Spirit Nero Claudius.

The "Alter" heading is an 'alternative version' of the hero in question, but it doesn't inherently mean a darker or more evil alternative.

As it is, there's been a lot of hints circling around Nero, but few concrete answers.

Which just goes to show that Imperial Privilege is a freaking broken skill.

[Kitten Champion]

I'd like Venus Nero personally, particularly for a Valentine's Day-kind of thing. It is her final super-form in Extella --

https://pm1.narvii.com/6719/c00a06e9a65ba6f745b215dc628757cc294065ab_hq.jpg

Though I'd make her a Ruler in FGO, as obviously another Saber Nero isn't necessary.

[Tyracus]

So more tales in rate up is a lie coming back in a really odd way just because it frustrated me so badly with pulls on the Nezha/Caster of Oceanos banner.

90 SQ in and I pull the following:
My 8th Fragment of 2030
2 Code casts
Osakabehime
Mordred
Beowulf
Assorted 3 stars

Seriously I just wanted 1 copy of each of the new 4 stars and I landed 2 new 5 star servants, a CE I've pulled too many of already, and some junk 4 star CEs. I'm torn between "just give me what I want!" and "Well I got 2 more 5 star servants out of 3 pulls". Also after trying other games where there's a Pity system for pulls (i.e. the "121 Club" for Epic Seven where you're guaranteed a banner 5 star) or FE Heroes upping rates with each non-5star hero (despite many other issues with that game that had me stop playing) I think FGO could stand to implement something similar.

[Leecros]

Though I'd make her a Ruler in FGO, as obviously another Saber Nero isn't necessary.

more Saberface Sabers are always necessisary!

[Kitten Champion]

I did a single ten-pull as soon as the new banner showed up. I was thinking "I achieved my goal of 300 SQ, I deserve at least one attempt at addictive mobile game gambling self-induced misery".

But lo, I was given Abby.

https://static.zerochan.net/Fate.Grand.Order.full.2287891.jpg

[ellenate]

I don't care what anyone says-

single > multi


48 tickets 290 sq


got abby right off the bat (first 5 tickets)


Sheba np 2

out of nowhere Jack (...and fionn)

ce's were unremarkable, i think i'll be able to mlb one of them.



All and all i'm left with 80 sq (i told myself i'd stop when i np2'd either one of the focus.)

I recorded the whole session, if i can be bothered to edit it, i'll upload to youtube... if anyone cares (lol).

[Saambell]

Did 2 10 rolls. Got Sheba. Now to wait for Eresh to do a 10 roll or two then wait for Hokusai to drop all my leftover SQ on as well as maybe spend a little of my year end bonus on. Just hope I don't have a repeat of last new years where Ozy comes out of nowhere.

EDIT: Did some crazy single rolls, hoping for Abby. Didn't get Abby. Did get a second Sheba, as well as a random Spook by Nightingale. However, I basically burned what I was saving for Eresh, so I'm 100% not getting her unless one of the event summon tickets works a miracle. Then after that I'm basically forced into Whaling for Hokusai. Had 130ish SQ before the banner dropped. Used 60 on 10 rolls, and the remaining 70ish on singles. Now I'm at 0. So, yeah, Single Pulls got me good stuff. But as I barely had anything its not like I saved anything, heck, I basically threw away SQ I should have been saving for other better things.

[Red Fel]

Okay. First, some non-spoiler thoughts on Salem.

I really liked how story-driven it was. Commenters are correct, there's a lot more fluff than combat to this one, which means that for people with an itchy Skip Button finger it'll pass very quickly, but the story does an amazing job of creating powerful atmosphere. What Agartha failed to accomplish, this succeeded at wonderfully.

On a related point, it was comfortably easy. As long as you don't focus too hard on the Bond boost - I kept three Casters on my back row, but upfront was Mash and Heracles (except for at one point) - the Power Down debuff is manageable. I never needed Command Seals. To be fair, I have three max-level Alter Egos - not that I needed more than one, Lip is a tank - so I had a bit of an advantage at that one point.

Onto pulls. I allowed myself a single 30-SQ pull, because everything else is For Eresh. I expected nothing.

I got MidCas. Now, I need more Casters like a hole in the head, and MidCas is story pool, so it's not like she's impossible to get otherwise, but she's a solid support Caster, and my first ST Buster Caster, and I really like her aesthetic. Even if she does go full-on World of Warcraft garish wardrobe by her final Ascension. So I was pretty happy.

Then, on a lark, I decided to blow a couple of tickets. Not all of them, just a few.

I have an Abby now.

I wasn't planning to whale for Hokusai. I get why people like her - two Arts cards and an Arts NP means plenty of Arts chaining, plus that third skill is legitimately nuts. But if I'm getting a Foreigner for gameplay reasons, I want one who can take out Berserker targets one-on-one, hard. Abby's ST Buster NP does that. Further, her kit is extremely solid, providing team buffs and decent debuffs, and her NP has a buff eraser that triggers before the damage - meaning it's a great way to hit, say, a Berserker with Dodge.

Also, she's adorable. I know it's not the same Abby we met in Salem, but I want to give her headpats.

So, yeah. I probably blew all my Eresh luck, but I'm still gonna aim for that gold ring as well. Best of luck to anyone else whaling on this banner or the next few.

[Hunter Noventa]

I enjoyed Salem well enough, it was nice not having any battles that made me use my Command Seals, unlike Shimousa. And I am lucky enough to have Nitocris, who makes a mockery of a lot of the fights.

It was also really fun fighting the final boss with Melt, Mehca Elly and support Kiara. It was a very "You came to the wrong neighborhood" moment.

I had tossed a couple tickets at the first banner, for laughs and got nothing. But every last SQ and ticket I have now is going for Eresh, sorry Abby.

[Resileaf]

I had to use my command seals only at the final battle because I insist on using story support when they're there.

I regret nothing.

My quartz and tickets remain for Eresh only. Even if getting the new class would be nice, I'm prioritizing Eresh.

Besides, there will be other foreigners, and I think I'd prefer MHXX, although I'm going to prioritize Jeanne Archer for that summer event.

[Hunter Noventa]

Besides, there will be other foreigners, and I think I'd prefer MHXX, although I'm going to prioritize Jeanne Archer for that summer event.

I'll be prioritizing who I didn't get last summer this summer, since you know, they won't come back again. That mostly means Saber Fran, Caster Umu and Maid Alter.

[Kitten Champion]

I almost always use the story Servants, and have tried to ween as much Bond as possible in these Remnants. I had to use seals twice so far in Shinjuku, once for the very angry puppy (I'd have been fine had I brought Mash to tank the NP, or put stronger Servants in the support slots) and once again in the second-to-last battle (because Emiya Alter was next to useless there in terms of DPS, mostly).

I don't mind waiting for the seals to come back. I still have 20 or so free missions to clear, so if I lose my command seals now I can just do those quests for a while.

I used Abby in Arash's interlude, it's really nice to have something reliable against those high-HP Chimera waves -- and even at level 57 she can already do that shockingly well. Especially when the Chimera are placed in the middle wave, where I want to keep up my NP charge for the final battle but at the same time I don't want to have my health chunked down by Berserker crits while I'm racing down their HP. I mean, it's not the biggest thing in the world, but it comes up plenty of times in Events especially.

[Saambell]

The nice thing about this coming summer is all the characters I want are on one banner. BB, MHXX, and Medb. Though Ibaraki and Ushi are highly tempting. Don't care for Archer Jeanne at all, Tsundere Chuuni JAlter is all the Jeanne I need. But man, it will be a gauntlet for me before then. There's a whole pile of characters I want before then though. A second try at Fran as well as Skadi being right before BB is super rough. And Okita Alter as well.

[Velaryon]

So, how much do I really need the new class? I'm not really excited about Abby as a character, and I'm generally of the opinion that the Fate series was better when they just had the seven basic classes and before they started adding all these other ones. But I also know that's clouding my thinking a bit in terms of whether it's actually a good idea.

So how important is it to have a Foreigner in my lineup?

[Saambell]

So, how much do I really need the new class? I'm not really excited about Abby as a character, and I'm generally of the opinion that the Fate series was better when they just had the seven basic classes and before they started adding all these other ones. But I also know that's clouding my thinking a bit in terms of whether it's actually a good idea.

So how important is it to have a Foreigner in my lineup?

They are a Berserker Counter. The only class that Resists them, with the usual bonus damage to them. Pretty niche, but a bit more useful then a Moon Cancer or Avenger who only really hurt one rare enemy type. Abby is better for killing Zerker bosses or single enemies, Hokusai is better for clearing waves of them. And then in summer 2020 there's a single target 4 star Saberface Foreigner if that's more your fancy.

The Extra Classes are generally seen as, you know, Extra. They are nice to have as they make some things easier, and sometimes its simpler to just slap a dedicated counter in then build a team that meshes well, but if you have a solid enough roster, you usually have enough options that a dedicated counter isn't entirely needed. And for Foreigners in particular, they do something that most long time players have already found ways around. Zerkers tend to take more damage then they give out, so a solid team can usually blitz them down quite well. But on the other hand, its super satisfying seeing that jerk Chimera do blue numbers and barely scratch you with their super annoying crits that one shot other classes. So, I would rank Foreigners as a little more useful to the average foe then Moon Cancers the Avenger counter or Avengers the Ruler counter.

However, BB stands solidly on her own despite her class, and Rulers are quite common on higher end event quests making Avengers worthwhile, not even counting JAlter who basically does Effective damage numbers based purely on her super high attack value. On that hand, Abby is a solid support, not counting her Zerker Boss killing power, making her semi worth it outside her class as long as you have characters who could take advantage of her skills.

But yeah, if you can kill Zerkers dead easy enough, Foreigners aren't going to do anything too special for you. And there's 2 others coming up in the next year who might strike your design interest more then Abby, those being a Japanese Painter with Octopus motif and a Mecha Girl Saberface. If those sound more interesting then a Gothic Lolita girl, save your SQ for later.

[Red Fel]

So how important is it to have a Foreigner in my lineup?

Short version? Not very. Foreigner is an extremely niche class with basically one function - they are anti-Berserkers. They deal extra damage to, and take less from, Berserkers. They also deal bonus damage to a future boss, but that's a way out yet.

In game terms, Foreigners are just not that useful. But you don't roll for the meta. You roll for love. This is a waifu battle simulator.

[chainer1216]

Short version? Not very. Foreigner is an extremely niche class with basically one function - they are anti-Berserkers. They deal extra damage to, and take less from, Berserkers. They also deal bonus damage to a future boss, but that's a way out yet.

In game terms, Foreigners are just not that useful. But you don't roll for the meta. You roll for love. This is a waifu battle simulator.

Not everyone cares about waifus/husbandos, some of us just like anime and history/mythology.

[Resileaf]

I'll be prioritizing who I didn't get last summer this summer, since you know, they won't come back again. That mostly means Saber Fran, Caster Umu and Maid Alter.

The only servant I wanted from that summer was Berserker Nobu, which I thankfully got, so although those others would be nice (caster Umu especially since she's probably the strongest AoE caster of the game), I can do without.
I want Jeanne archer because I want to grail every Jeanne in the game to 100 and make a team of Jeannes.

[NeoPhoenix0]

well, i do like abigail so i gave into the urge for one ten pull. also i need to represent the ten pull gang.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/324406251192713216/653848649213673482/Screenshot_20191210-003650.png

[Resileaf]

well, i do like abigail so i gave into the urge for one ten pull. also i need to represent the ten pull gang.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/324406251192713216/653848649213673482/Screenshot_20191210-003650.png

This is the kind of pull that is just trying to tempt me into making bad decisions.

[Hunter Noventa]

The only servant I wanted from that summer was Berserker Nobu, which I thankfully got, so although those others would be nice (caster Umu especially since she's probably the strongest AoE caster of the game), I can do without.
I want Jeanne archer because I want to grail every Jeanne in the game to 100 and make a team of Jeannes.

Last year I got the servants I wanted the least, Lancer Raiko and Archer Helena. I just already have better Lancers and Archers.

But Caster Umu is Umu. Plus her, Saber Fran and Maid Alter are all super robot references, which is half the reason I play the game. *laughs in Mecha Eli-chan*

[Red Fel]

Not everyone cares about waifus/husbandos, some of us just like anime and history/mythology.

It's essentially the same thing - rolling for love. You're just rolling for love of lore, instead of love of waifus.


The only servant I wanted from that summer was Berserker Nobu, which I thankfully got, so although those others would be nice (caster Umu especially since she's probably the strongest AoE caster of the game), I can do without.
I want Jeanne archer because I want to grail every Jeanne in the game to 100 and make a team of Jeannes.


Last year I got the servants I wanted the least, Lancer Raiko and Archer Helena. I just already have better Lancers and Archers.

But Caster Umu is Umu. Plus her, Saber Fran and Maid Alter are all super robot references, which is half the reason I play the game. *laughs in Mecha Eli-chan*

I'll be honest, in terms of meta, I really want Caster Umu, but in terms of more general wants, I could pass on pretty much all of them. I mean, Berserker Nobu is freaking awesome, but I could save that SQ for, say, Avenger Nobu. Eventually.

But yeah. Caster Umu is amazing. Objectively better than Foreigner, for three turns anyway.

[Velaryon]

When I do a 10-pull, I tend to get one or two 3* servants and then the rest are all CE's, and usually nothing noteworthy. I think my first 5* Servant Orion came from a 10-pull, as did Stheno during my guaranteed pull at the start of the game, but otherwise all my good servant summons have come from single summons.

Anyway, I think I'm gonna pass on Abigail and wait for something more exciting. Thanks, all.

[Manticoran]

Same! But mostly because I need my Skadi and my Hokusai.

[Friv]

But yeah. Caster Umu is amazing. Objectively better than Foreigner, for three turns anyway.

As someone with a Caster Umu, it's up and down. Her ability to spend three turns not getting killed by Riders and Zerkers is real nice, but it only actually protects her from attack, it doesn't buff her own attacks. She still can't actually hurt Riders, which was a sad shock when I tried to take her farming.

[NeoPhoenix0]

As someone with a Caster Umu, it's up and down. Her ability to spend three turns not getting killed by Riders and Zerkers is real nice, but it only actually protects her from attack, it doesn't buff her own attacks. She still can't actually hurt Riders, which was a sad shock when I tried to take her farming.
But she is the best when there is a difficult assassin wave after a rider wave. Or other tough fights where you need a faster to survive riders and do damage. I used to pack zhuge, am assassin and a combat caster for that, now I can drop the zhuge.

[ellenate]

As someone with a Caster Umu, it's up and down. Her ability to spend three turns not getting killed by Riders and Zerkers is real nice, but it only actually protects her from attack, it doesn't buff her own attacks. She still can't actually hurt Riders, which was a sad shock when I tried to take her farming.


Wow, that's really disappointing... I guess I never read her skill that closely.

[Saambell]

Her third skill is incredible as well. A 1hp Guts as well as a 50% attack boost which is targetable. Give anyone survivability as well as a massive power boost. Not as good as merlin's crit boost attached but that one is buster only, while nero's applies to any card. The super fun is when you use both on someone like hijikata, get the guts to save him, then he NPs.

[Friv]

Oh, yes! I don't want to suggest that she's not a very solid character, and she's especially good at busting bosses with retinues, or at being friends with Berserkers by giving them an extra buff while also sitting around and spamming her Noble Phantasm through Fight 2/3 of any given battle. Running through Salem with her, Merlin, and a support Alter Ego was basically playing on Easy Mode.

[HMS Invincible]

I snagged a devilish Bodhisattva and b Halloween princess but I'm confused which is better on Arash.
I thought 300 overcharge would deal more than 20% np damage. Test is with Helene maxed skills.

[Velaryon]

Oh, yes! I don't want to suggest that she's not a very solid character, and she's especially good at busting bosses with retinues, or at being friends with Berserkers by giving them an extra buff while also sitting around and spamming her Noble Phantasm through Fight 2/3 of any given battle. Running through Salem with her, Merlin, and a support Alter Ego was basically playing on Easy Mode.

I'm looking forward to that myself, if I ever get around to clearing Babylonia. Merlin and Caster Umu are two of my favorite Servants in my toolbox.

[NeoPhoenix0]

After seeing the new interlude for Gorgon, I must say she is positively adorkable

[spectralphoenix]

Finished Salem. Originally I was planning on pulling heavily for Abby, after finishing the story decided to limit myself to around half of my stash, upon actually getting in the Skinner Box wound up spending nearly all of it. Got Abby, NP2 Sheba, and a second Wu Zetian. So Eresh is off the table, (though I did manage to get Osakabehime with a few tickets near the end of Halloween, so that was cool.)


The weakness field thing could be frustrating when it threw off my estimated damage, but the fights weren't too tough overall and I suppose it was necessary to explain why my servants couldn't just smack around Hopkins and the mob before things got out of hand. The story was great, though it was a bit amusing following up the grim darkness of the far future Salem witch trials with double rocket punch action from Passionlip and Mecha Elly. And I almost thought it would make more sense for Lavinia to wind up as the Foreigner than Abby

[Saambell]

After seeing the new interlude for Gorgon, I must say she is positively adorkable

That really feels to be a trend with the Avengers. Really trying to hype themselves up as hateful monsters, yet come across as giant dorks who cant hide/admit to their actual liking of the player. The one who doesn't fully fall to that is Dantes, but I haven't seen enough of his dialogue to be fully sure that isn't the case for him as well.

[Manticoran]

That really feels to be a trend with the Avengers. Really trying to hype themselves up as hateful monsters, yet come across as giant dorks who cant hide/admit to their actual liking of the player. The one who doesn't fully fall to that is Dantes, but I haven't seen enough of his dialogue to be fully sure that isn't the case for him as well.

If his actions during Shimousa weren't obvious enough, he VERY clearly cares for you.

[Hunter Noventa]

That really feels to be a trend with the Avengers. Really trying to hype themselves up as hateful monsters, yet come across as giant dorks who cant hide/admit to their actual liking of the player. The one who doesn't fully fall to that is Dantes, but I haven't seen enough of his dialogue to be fully sure that isn't the case for him as well.

I need to up Gorgon's bond to see her Interlude, but the Minidusa one where Euryale and Stheno were bullying her made me bring Minidusa and Gorgon to the fight because I was all 'Don't talk to me or my cute monster ever again!'

[Red Fel]

But she is the best when there is a difficult assassin wave after a rider wave. Or other tough fights where you need a faster to survive riders and do damage. I used to pack zhuge, am assassin and a combat caster for that, now I can drop the zhuge.

I mean, yeah, she's great when there's a difficult Assassin wave after a Rider wave. But you know who's better at that? Alter Egos. Seriously, Lip is a tank.

Those of you who missed the SE.RA.PH event, love your Mecha Eli. She's pretty boss.


I snagged a devilish Bodhisattva and b Halloween princess but I'm confused which is better on Arash.
I thought 300 overcharge would deal more than 20% np damage. Test is with Helene maxed skills.

Overcharge and NP level aren't quite the same thing. The NP level - that is, how many times you boosted the NP (for Arash, that should be 5) increases the base effect. On Arash, that's his base damage. Overcharge just increases the Overcharge effect - which, yes, on Arash is more damage. But given that his post-interlude NP5 has a base damage of 1200%, tacking on an additional 200% from each Overcharge level may not seem like all that much.

Honestly, for Arash, I'd skip both of those and go straight for a Kaleidoscope. With Arash, you're not there to boost his damage - it's already massive. You're bringing Arash as a nuke. You want him armed, or as close to it as possible, upfront. So bring a CE that maxes out his NP gauge, or gets you as close to it as possible.


That really feels to be a trend with the Avengers. Really trying to hype themselves up as hateful monsters, yet come across as giant dorks who cant hide/admit to their actual liking of the player. The one who doesn't fully fall to that is Dantes, but I haven't seen enough of his dialogue to be fully sure that isn't the case for him as well.

If Ruler is the kickboxing class, Avenger is the tsundere class. Prove me wrong.

[Hunter Noventa]

Overcharge and NP level aren't quite the same thing. The NP level - that is, how many times you boosted the NP (for Arash, that should be 5) increases the base effect. On Arash, that's his base damage. Overcharge just increases the Overcharge effect - which, yes, on Arash is more damage. But given that his post-interlude NP5 has a base damage of 1200%, tacking on an additional 200% from each Overcharge level may not seem like all that much.


This is why welfare servants can sometimes outdamage 5* servants with their NP, because Welfares are usually at NP5. I'll have to actually do some of the math on that sometime, not sure who to check it against though to be honest.

[Friv]

That really feels to be a trend with the Avengers. Really trying to hype themselves up as hateful monsters, yet come across as giant dorks who cant hide/admit to their actual liking of the player. The one who doesn't fully fall to that is Dantes, but I haven't seen enough of his dialogue to be fully sure that isn't the case for him as well.

Dantes sort of goes the Wolverine route instead of being a dorky tsundere - he's definitely not a dork, but he also doesn't at all hide that he cares for the MC once he signs up. Instead, he goes the "I am the dark shadow that must protect you using methods you do not approve of" route.

His Interlude is about how he spends a bunch of his free time inside your dreams, in order to burn away the nightmares that you would have otherwise from your more unstable or evil servants' memory-connections.

[Resileaf]

Fundamentally, avengers are not monsters, they're people whose emotions were twisted to make hate omnipresent. But their other emotions are still present underneath, and the main character is uniquely skilled at bringing those good emotions back.

[Hunter Noventa]

Fundamentally, avengers are not monsters, they're people whose emotions were twisted to make hate omnipresent. But their other emotions are still present underneath, and the main character is uniquely skilled at bringing those good emotions back.

It's all part of the main character's Harem Protagonist EX skill.

[Red Fel]

It's all part of the main character's Harem Protagonist EX skill.

Seriously, I know we joke about this, but have you seen the anime? He basically activates this skill against Jaguar Man. They use metaphorical imagery, but the effect is... easily understood.

Harem Protagonist EX. It's canon.

[Hunter Noventa]

Seriously, I know we joke about this, but have you seen the anime? He basically activates this skill against Jaguar Man. They use metaphorical imagery, but the effect is... easily understood.

Harem Protagonist EX. It's canon.

Oh i saw it. That was...something all right.

It's a running joke on the subreddit too.

[NeoPhoenix0]

Like I know all avengers are like that to some degree, but Gorgon has zero social skills and ability to hide emotions. With jalter, she tends to have many layers of anger displaying a majority of the time. But Gorgon doesn't seem to have a straight face, and her anger talk is pretty laughable.

[Red Fel]

Like I know all avengers are like that to some degree, but Gorgon has zero social skills and ability to hide emotions. With jalter, she tends to have many layers of anger displaying a majority of the time. But Gorgon doesn't seem to have a straight face, and her anger talk is pretty laughable.

Yeah, but ultimately they boil down to "I will burn you! . . . b-baka," and "I will eat you! . . . b-baka," respectively. Just saying, it's not exactly groundbreaking original writing.

Still adorable, though.

[Resileaf]

It's cute to see that despite being a man-eating giant snake monster, Gorgon still gets bullied by her sisters and can't do anything about it.

[HMS Invincible]

Overcharge and NP level aren't quite the same thing. The NP level - that is, how many times you boosted the NP (for Arash, that should be 5) increases the base effect. On Arash, that's his base damage. Overcharge just increases the Overcharge effect - which, yes, on Arash is more damage. But given that his post-interlude NP5 has a base damage of 1200%, tacking on an additional 200% from each Overcharge level may not seem like all that much.

Honestly, for Arash, I'd skip both of those and go straight for a Kaleidoscope. With Arash, you're not there to boost his damage - it's already massive. You're bringing Arash as a nuke. You want him armed, or as close to it as possible, upfront. So bring a CE that maxes out his NP gauge, or gets you as close to it as possible.g.
Hmm, I didn't realize it was additive with his np5 damage. So it's actually like + 25% additive vs 20 multiplicative
I only have 1k scope. With Helena and I can use 50np to get there with Helena and Arash at skill 10.

[Kitten Champion]

Speaking of, I need to do the strengthening quest for Arash to get his last skill. I was kind of hoping there'd inevitably be a campaign where the AP's reduced by some fraction, but I don't believe that's come up yet.

I kind of forget he's there since I levelled him so gradually, but then I recall Youtube videos where he's - mostly - soloing million-life bosses and my memory is jogged.

[NeoPhoenix0]

I got eresh in one 10 pull... i saved so many SQ and grinded so many servants interludes and rank ups... I now have a pile of 200+ SQ... maybe i should go for some even CEs? or an NP 2?

I'm happy, I just don't know what to do since i was gonna possibly dolphin for eresh... welp time to see how high i can get her skills!

Summoning catalyst nendroid confirmed!

[Kitten Champion]

I got Eresh in 3 10-spins then did another spin for the helluvit. Also got another NP level for my Minidusa and assorted Event CEs, not much else though.

I'm happy enough with just under 200 SQ remaining.

I'd like to save up for a Ruler or an Avenger now -- preferable Jeanne... either one.

[Yael]

So I was thinking not rolling hard for Ereshkigal, but in the end I yielded and went full on gacha mode. I spent 200 SQ and got her, after getting spooked twice by Ana, once by Gilcas, and another time by Medulily. I don't even have enough EXP to get her up anyway.

[NeoPhoenix0]

as is no surprise, I can't get past the incredible lv 8 skill barrier, and while i might get one skill past it during the event (probably red button mana battery) it will be some time before eresh's skills are maxed. if i do up eresh's skill, i will have to put abi's leveling on the back burner.

[Hunter Noventa]

35 Tickets and 450 SQ got me 2 CasGils and 2 Minidusa, but no Eresh. It is a sad day.

[Red Fel]

I got eresh in one 10 pull... i saved so many SQ and grinded so many servants interludes and rank ups... I now have a pile of 200+ SQ... maybe i should go for some even CEs? or an NP 2?

I'm happy, I just don't know what to do since i was gonna possibly dolphin for eresh... welp time to see how high i can get her skills!

Summoning catalyst nendroid confirmed!

That might have been what did it for me, too. It took me 150 SQ, and aside from 3-star Servants I got no spooks - both a good and a bad thing - but a lot of event CEs, and one Eresh.

Seriously, though, that Nendoroid is adorable.


35 Tickets and 450 SQ got me 2 CasGils and 2 Minidusa, but no Eresh. It is a sad day.

Sympathies, friend. The gacha is not kind.

[Resileaf]

I had 510 quartz to roll. Felt pretty good with my chances.

510 quartz and 20 tickets later, I had nothing to show for my efforts. ;_; After getting King Hassan in 60 quartz, it's obvious that someone wants to be the only underworld servant in my team.

I'll try rolling whatever quartz and tickets I get during the event, but it's pretty obvious I'm not getting Eresh this year. Maybe next year...

Now I've got to save up for Summer Jeanne though.

[Hunter Noventa]

Sympathies, friend. The gacha is not kind.

Gacha is Badciv. I realized I never bought this month's tickets, and that I had enough fragments to trade for one more ten pull. I got a rainbow summon...only for it to be bad doggo, a servant I have zero use for, what with already having Gorgon and better sources of instant death in Nito and Shiki.

Ah well, time to save up for summer I guess.

[Velaryon]

I cracked and decided to roll for Eresh with the 7 tickets and 90 SQ I had accumulated. And I did not get her.

But I did get Xuanzang Sanzang, Enkidu, 2 copies of Caster Gil, and Nezha, all of which are new to me, as well as a few event CE's, so I feel like it was still summons well spent.

[spectralphoenix]

Was pretty much running on empty after the Abigail banner, but with one 10-pull and 2 tickets got a second CasGil and some event CEs. Underwhelming, but at least I walked away with something for the trouble.

[nightwyrm]

Eresh finally came home after 11 tickets and 660 SQs. Also got Drake and NP9 Ana along the way.

The nodes in this event are a giant pain though.

[Resileaf]

OH MY GOD!!!

The one quartz that I got from master missions! I have Eresh!!!

[HMS Invincible]

200 quartz spend, no eresh. I think I'm done, and will just spend a ticket or 10 until the banner is over.

Is it true that an upcoming update will retroactively convert your extra welfare servants into rare mana prisms? If so, I need to gather & save all my welfare clones.

[Hunter Noventa]

200 quartz spend, no eresh. I think I'm done, and will just spend a ticket or 10 until the banner is over.

Is it true that an upcoming update will retroactively convert your extra welfare servants into rare mana prisms? If so, I need to gather & save all my welfare clones.

I've seen this mentioned, and I think that it's only the future ones that get converted, not any past ones. Unless they're making another, separate update from that.

[Saambell]

Did maybe 55 to 65ish rolls, mostly 10 rolls. No eresh, but on the second 10 roll a gold caster appeared. "A goldie is fine too" I thought. Instead a Birb spooked me. Goldie was two 10 rolls later. So of all that sq spent, I got 2 of each of the gold event CEs, 2 more 4 star casters, and 10 snow pirates. Only saw ushiwaka like, twice for all the silver servants I pulled.

So once again, rate up is a lie. It really feels that way when Abby's banner spat out 2 5 stars at me, neither of them Abby, while Eresh's banner with 4 characters on rate up only gave me 3 of said rate ups, when one of said rate ups was silver and thus should have been flooding my rolls.

In event grinding, I love the mono enemy type nodes. Means for a slight decrease in farming abilities I can use the front line for the actual attackers who are effective and stuff the back line with the event servants, and of course everyone has the event CEs. The turkey fight is super easy with Double Jack and Osakabe-hime.

[nightwyrm]

200 quartz spend, no eresh. I think I'm done, and will just spend a ticket or 10 until the banner is over.

Is it true that an upcoming update will retroactively convert your extra welfare servants into rare mana prisms? If so, I need to gather & save all my welfare clones.

Starting with Santa Altera, future welfares will give you a RP if u gets extra copies when you already have NP5.

[Saambell]

Did one last yolo 10 roll. It lagged for an oddly long time at one point before a silver lancer appeared. It then crackled. I now have the little snake sister. I do believe she puts me at all Gorgon sisters, in all their forms, though I still need to level Rider and Assassin, as well as the new Lancer.

In farming news, it super annoying how many people on my friends list put the bronze drop CE on their Assassin. I figure its "I'm not sure what each class needs, and I have so many Snow Pirates, might as well put them on everyone until I know" and then forgetting to swap out the CEs when the new nodes unlock. Cause I'm sure there's a lot of players who refuse to look at the wiki, even to know which nodes drop what, for fear of Spoilers. Heck, I bet there's players who think looking at what nodes drop what IS spoilers.

[Hunter Noventa]

I get that the game wants me to feel sorry for Eresh, but my mountain of salt is blocking it from happening.

[Red Fel]

In farming news, it super annoying how many people on my friends list put the bronze drop CE on their Assassin. I figure its "I'm not sure what each class needs, and I have so many Snow Pirates, might as well put them on everyone until I know" and then forgetting to swap out the CEs when the new nodes unlock. Cause I'm sure there's a lot of players who refuse to look at the wiki, even to know which nodes drop what, for fear of Spoilers. Heck, I bet there's players who think looking at what nodes drop what IS spoilers.

Speaking of, if you want a relatively non-spoiler overview of the event, with tips, Kscopedia has you covered here (https://www.kscopedia.net/christmas-2019/). I admit, I'm still fine-tuning my supports. For instance, when the Caster node dropped, I switched the CE on my Santa Alter, because oh, now it makes sense.

The event is understandably tough, given the prerequisite. Thankfully, since the nodes are single-type, you could build single-type parties and dominate them, but doing so means you miss out on bonus drops, so some diversification is recommended. Thankfully also, bonus drops are sprinkled among rare and common Servants alike, so you're probable to have something that gets you bonuses, even if that something is Mash and the Christmas Welfare Squad (now featuring Altera).


I get that the game wants me to feel sorry for Eresh, but my mountain of salt is blocking it from happening.

Honestly, the thing this event is doing is making me like Altera, which I didn't expect. I mean, sure, she's been a chuckleworthy deadpan at times, but I've never considered her cute until now. Apparently, this version is closer to the green facet of Titan Altera - that is, more "cute" and "girly" than "fierce warrior" - whereas the Saber version is closer to the red facet. I gotta say, the sneezes are inexplicably adorable to me.

The sheep help too.

[Leecros]

I figure its "I'm not sure what each class needs, and I have so many Snow Pirates, might as well put them on everyone until I know" and then forgetting to swap out the CEs when the new nodes unlock.

I can't remember if I have you on my friends list or not, but guilty as charged.

[Saambell]

The event is understandably tough, given the prerequisite. Thankfully, since the nodes are single-type, you could build single-type parties and dominate them, but doing so means you miss out on bonus drops, so some diversification is recommended. Thankfully also, bonus drops are sprinkled among rare and common Servants alike, so you're probable to have something that gets you bonuses, even if that something is Mash and the Christmas Welfare Squad (now featuring Altera).

That's the thing. Besides Mash, the Welfare Duo, a level 80 Jaguar Warrior, and a level 70 Ushi, I had no leveled event characters. A level 25 Leonidas, a level 1 Hohenheim, and a level 12 Benki were not going to contribute at all. I did get lucky with a Gil and a Medusa being pulled, but at level 1, they are not at all going to help in fights. I would rather stuff the back line with them, and have the front line be characters who can handle the fight themselves. Unless you think you would totally use a level 1 GilCaster from your support list, I don't think I will be putting him in my front line for a while. When the Ifreet can nearly kill the high level riders I bring to fight it, I don't think a non rider would ever live that part of the node. Especially when the only non event servant on my team for the caster fight is a NP 4 Ozy, with event CE cause of course, I don't feel slapping a level 1 into the front line would be that good of an idea.

Also, if you didn't notice, this event has nodes that drop only one of the shop items. So you can very much run out of relevant event characters to put on a team and still have plenty of space for non event powerhouses to carry you.

But yeah, I will totally bring a level 1 Gil and Hohenheim to the eventual Silver Drop Grind. I'm sure they will totally be able to handle the assassins with 200k HP. Or I could just bring Mash, support Merlin, and use my own Nero(with event CE cause of course) to one shot the bosses while the two level 1 guys hide in the back line. Cause that would be the only way I could fill the team slots with event servants. Cause if you didn't notice, there's only 4 event servants who boost silver drops. And then when the Gold Grind Node opens, my back line is obviously going to be Ushi, Artoria, and Altera, with the front being Lily and support Enkidu. But that still leaves me with one open slot, and I'm out of event servants to put there. So it would clearly be filled by a non event Lancer. And then the Sand grind is open season for any archer you have, cause Sand is only boosted by the CE, so event servants don't matter in the slightest there. The fun one will be the Berserker filled Bronze node, as I only have a single one of those leveled, and unless you think Leonidas taunting for a single hit is going to sway the whole battle in my favour, I'm going to bring support Altera, Jaguar, with the three low level lancers in the back, then find some powerhouse to add in for the last slot. Likely Nero Caster, as her Second skill will be super good there.

But yeah, that "bring more event servants" thing only matters early event. Once the big nodes open up, unless you have all of the event servants, and have them all max level, I don't think most people will be able to make teams with only event servants. Especially not the Silver node. Only 4 there, and support only lets you double one of them.

[Hunter Noventa]

Yeah I'm just doing the back line of event servants. At least my attempts to summon Eresh got me a ton of CEs, so I've got several MLB for the bronze and silver drop CEs, and one MLB of the gold drop CE.

[Velaryon]

Can I just chime in here about how incredibly bad design it is to have a limited time event that is gated and requires completing the final singularity before you're allowed to even participate in it? :smallfurious:

I'm blazing my way through Babylonia as fast as I can, and having to fast forward and sometimes outright skip story cutscenes in the process, in hopes that I'll finish quickly and have enough time to do the event. I've already lost at least two days already. This is blatantly unfair and if I were earlier in the game, I would have no chance of participating in the event at all. :smallmad:

[Kitten Champion]

Can I just chime in here about how incredibly bad design it is to have a limited time event that is gated and requires completing the final singularity before you're allowed to even participate in it? :smallfurious:

I'm blazing my way through Babylonia as fast as I can, and having to fast forward and sometimes outright skip story cutscenes in the process, in hopes that I'll finish quickly and have enough time to do the event. I've already lost at least two days already. This is blatantly unfair and if I were earlier in the game, I would have no chance of participating in the event at all. :smallmad:

I would advise not to do that. Babylonia's the best experience in FGO - at least that I've had - and you'll get a re-run for this next year.

Plus it's a lot of AP to grind for the shop currencies, and as it uses the same random roulette mechanics as the last Christmas Event it'll take a while to clear out each prize pool to get Altera's ascension mats and NPs. Comparatively speaking the free missions themselves are much more of a slog as well.

[spectralphoenix]

What's frustrating me is the lack of starting NP on the shop CEs. I've got the firepower to handle these guys, especially with Merlin on the bonus list, it just takes forever clawing my way to 100% in the first two waves. Particularly while trying out Abby against the berserkers - for someone with a triple arts deck her NP gain leaves something to be desired.

[Red Fel]

Yeah I'm just doing the back line of event servants. At least my attempts to summon Eresh got me a ton of CEs, so I've got several MLB for the bronze and silver drop CEs, and one MLB of the gold drop CE.

This.

Fact is, Saambell's right, not everyone has max-leveled every Servant available, and thus not everyone can pick and choose whenever event Servants are a thing. But even if you can't really field any strong event Servants, you can put a few weak ones on your back line and lead with a strong non-event option. Heck, most of the guest Servants I'm bringing aren't event Servants at all - they're just really strong and have event CEs equipped.


Can I just chime in here about how incredibly bad design it is to have a limited time event that is gated and requires completing the final singularity before you're allowed to even participate in it? :smallfurious:


I would advise not to do that. Babylonia's the best experience in FGO - at least that I've had - and you'll get a re-run for this next year.

Plus it's a lot of AP to grind for the shop currencies, and as it uses the same random roulette mechanics as the last Christmas Event it'll take a while to clear out each prize pool to get Altera's ascension mats and NPs. Comparatively speaking the free missions themselves are much more of a slog as well.

Pretty much this. Yes, it's frustrating to newer players - or those taking a leisurely pace - that the event is gated behind such a late chapter. But the fact is, this event is hard - people fresh out of Fuyuki would be hard-pressed to clear it even with a stable of event Servants.

But Babylonia is totally worth pacing through. The story is some of the best writing in the game thus far, the fights are really good - tough, but not in the bashing-my-head-against-a-wall way a certain Camelot fight was - and it's a pretty amazing experience overall. (There's a reason, I think, that the anime chose to jump in there, rather than, say, America.) Also, storywise, this event only makes sense - as much as any of them do - if you've followed the events of Babylonia.

Anyway, this event will be back next year - and it will be lighter and easier, and you'll probably be better situated to crush it. So don't sweat it too much. Besides, Santa Altera is good, but she's not the best a welfare Servant can be. I mean, she's solid, but she's no Chloe. So don't worry if you miss her this go-round.


What's frustrating me is the lack of starting NP on the shop CEs. I've got the firepower to handle these guys, especially with Merlin on the bonus list, it just takes forever clawing my way to 100% in the first two waves. Particularly while trying out Abby against the berserkers - for someone with a triple arts deck her NP gain leaves something to be desired.

Part of the challenge, isn't it? You could take an absolute force of non-event Servants and non-event CEs and pretty much crush every node. Or you could take non-event Servants with event CEs for a solid advantage, with a slightly improved reward. Or event Servants with non-event CEs just to push your edge a bit, while enjoying greater rewards still. Or if you're brave, event Servants and event CEs, the combination of which is definitely less than optimal, and test your skills for maximum reward.

I actually kind of appreciate it. Unlike specific challenge levels - where you basically have to push yourself or fail completely - this event lets you scale your play level to your desired rewards. Play easy mode and enjoy leisurely farming, or play hardcore and rack up the drops.

[chainer1216]

For that Berserker fight i bring Mash Iskandar and borrow an Abby, that makes it pretty easy.

[Velaryon]

I would advise not to do that. Babylonia's the best experience in FGO - at least that I've had - and you'll get a re-run for this next year.

Too late. It had to be done. Besides, I liked Camelot better anyway.



Pretty much this. Yes, it's frustrating to newer players - or those taking a leisurely pace - that the event is gated behind such a late chapter. But the fact is, this event is hard - people fresh out of Fuyuki would be hard-pressed to clear it even with a stable of event Servants.

Doesn't matter, they should still be allowed to try. I struggled a lot with the Onigashima event too because I was a new player at the time, but I still managed to get most of what I needed from there.


But Babylonia is totally worth pacing through. The story is some of the best writing in the game thus far, the fights are really good - tough, but not in the bashing-my-head-against-a-wall way a certain Camelot fight was - and it's a pretty amazing experience overall. (There's a reason, I think, that the anime chose to jump in there, rather than, say, America.) Also, storywise, this event only makes sense - as much as any of them do - if you've followed the events of Babylonia.

I was most of the way to the end before I started skipping cutscenes, and I can safely say that I liked Camelot more.


Anyway, this event will be back next year - and it will be lighter and easier, and you'll probably be better situated to crush it. So don't sweat it too much. Besides, Santa Altera is good, but she's not the best a welfare Servant can be. I mean, she's solid, but she's no Chloe. So don't worry if you miss her this go-round.

I know you don't mean it this way, but saying "just wait til next year" comes off as more than a little privileged and condescending. With all due respect, it's quite easy to dismiss the problem when you weren't affected by it.

If the rerun were in say, January or February rather than a whole year away, this might be a reasonable argument. But even then I'd be missing out on the stuff everyone else gets from the rerun (which is... a rare prism I think? Quite a prize for someone mostly F2P like myself).

Anyway, I did what I had to do to finish Babylonia so I could join this event with hopefully enough time to get the most important stuff. I shouldn't have had to skip most of the climax, but there it is.

[ellenate]

I can't remember if I have you on my friends list or not, but guilty as charged.


I just spammed the lotto ce for my list... i figured everyone would only care about the lotto. :D



for someone with a triple arts deck her NP gain leaves something to be desired.


I've been running her with casters and i don't even notice it. Arts chain for np, first skill, and by the second turn she is usually at max.



I shouldn't have had to skip most of the climax, but there it is.

correct me if i'm wrong but you can replay (cut scenes) the entire story in "your room". so there's that.

[Saambell]

Anyone know when the next batch of soundtrack songs will release in My Room? Looking at the section, it looks like a yearly thing, so Im hoping this new years will see the release of Spinal Coaster and BB Channel. But can anyone confirm this belief before I end up disappointed?

[Velaryon]

correct me if i'm wrong but you can replay (cut scenes) the entire story in "your room". so there's that.

Can you? Good to know. I must confess I haven't explored the room menus very much. Pretty much just long enough to figure out how to change a Servant's active skin.

[NeoPhoenix0]

I am thinking about farming the fifth gate node for the lotto cause eresh needs magatamas like sabers need dragon fangs or saber biscuits. If only a node dropped witch spikes... Those level 10 skills seem as far away as they did back near the beginning.

[Hunter Noventa]

So I beat the story, and used my summon ticket on the banner.
Silver Lancer...but wait, a flash? then...another Minidusa. Sadness.
BUT!
BUT I had ten quartz!
One more summon, a CE, whatever.
One more...a silver lancer...gold flash...and ERESH CAME HOME! (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/505705229006667776/657824097639596064/Screenshot_20191221-005701_Fate_GO.jpg)

[Kitten Champion]

It occurred to me while doing this Event, after doing hundreds of Friend Point summons and I don't know how many SQ/Ticket spins, I still don't have Gilles de Rais -- Caster Gilles that is, I have Saber Gilles.

He exists in the game, obviously, I've pummelled him countless times in the Caster Training Grounds and I think I saw him once or twice among my Friends' Servants during the Christmas re-run. I have every other 3-Star Caster at NP 5 (except Cu, who I've only gotten twice since Fuyuki) and I have every other 3-Star or below Servant currently available on NA except Angra Mainyu technically and... Christopher Columbus as I've yet to do Agartha.

I don't even want him really, because ya'know, he's Gilles de Rais... but I'm just bereft of an explanation here. It's not like I haven't beaten Orleans or anything.

[Resileaf]

It occurred to me while doing this Event, after doing hundreds of Friend Point summons and I don't know how many SQ/Ticket spins, I still don't have Gilles de Rais -- Caster Gilles that is, I have Saber Gilles.

He exists in the game, obviously, I've pummelled him countless times in the Caster Training Grounds and I think I saw him once or twice among my Friends' Servants during the Christmas re-run. I have every other 3-Star Caster at NP 5 (except Cu, who I've only gotten twice since Fuyuki) and I have every other 3-Star or below Servant currently available on NA except Angra Mainyu technically and... Christopher Columbus as I've yet to do Agartha.

I don't even want him really, because ya'know, he's Gilles de Rais... but I'm just bereft of an explanation here. It's not like I haven't beaten Orleans or anything.

Caster Gilles is story-locked. It means he only appears in the story gacha after you've completed Orleans or other gachas where he's available.

It's the same thing for Bedivere. Neither of them will ever appear in the friend point gacha.

[Kitten Champion]

Caster Gilles is story-locked. It means he only appears in the story gacha after you've completed Orleans or other gachas where he's available.

It's the same thing for Bedivere. Neither of them will ever appear in the friend point gacha.

Oh~ Okay. You need to do the Story Gacha specifically and can't get him from any old rate-up banner. I just assumed he was in the general pool after Orleans.

I guess Cu Caster was on a banner where he was also included and I didn't notice, along with Artoria Lancer Alter who I believe is also story locked.

[nightwyrm]

Oh~ Okay. You need to do the Story Gacha specifically and can't get him from any old rate-up banner. I just assumed he was in the general pool after Orleans.

I guess Cu Caster was on a banner where he was also included and I didn't notice, along with Artoria Lancer Alter who I believe is also story locked.

You do get a Caster Cu as part of finishing Fuyuki.

[NeoPhoenix0]

aha, i have gotten level 10 of the Atlas institute uniform!

[Kitten Champion]

You do get a Caster Cu as part of finishing Fuyuki.

I know, but I have him at NP 3 I believe. So that must've come from somewhere. I probably rolled the story banner near the very beginning and forgot, in retrospect. I wasn't aiming for specific Servants or worrying about limited rate-ups when I only had a Carmilla, Martha, and Marie Antoinette -- I just wanted something to cover the classes. I still don't have a SR Berserker technically, though I grailed Kiyohime to 80 for her ability to farm Events with Mash's extensive protection and the Chaldean Uniform.

It does explain why I haven't gotten any other Bediveres or Jaguar Warriors though. I just assumed they were slightly more rare - like how I very rarely get a Kid Gil or Hundred Personas - but I definitely haven't done the story banner since beating Camelot.

I would like more Bedivere NP levels, he's a solid Servant judging by using him with maxed-out abilities and a couples of grails. I don't want to leave him in my Second Archive really, I'm just not sure if the SQ is worth it now that I know what banners are coming.


aha, i have gotten level 10 of the Atlas institute uniform!

Congratulations. I've been switching between them and raising them individually one level at a time, I expect to be done by Christmas 2021 maybe.

I'm glad the additional mystic codes seem to have a much lower XP bar. If they were all like that there would be a degree of "why bother" at some point, as experimenting with new ones would feel terrible.

[spectralphoenix]

Yeah, Caster Cu, Caster Gilles, Bedivere, Jaguar Warrior, and Rider of Resistance are all story-locked. Which seems like a bit of a weird selection. Bedivere is a cool dude and probably the best non-Gold Saber at NP5 and Jaguar Warrior is waifu material and pretty solid mechanically. Caster Cu is sort of underwhelming mechanically, and probably outshone by lancer Cu for doggo fans. Rider is so-so in a class that has several great 3* options, and is a terrible person. Caster Gilles is arguably the worst servant in the game and is, well, Caster Gilles.

Speaking of locked servants, we should have another GSSR roll up in a few days. This time it includes all event and story locked servants, as well as the general pool, divided across two banners (link (https://grandorder.wiki/Happy_New_Year_2018#Guaranteed_5.E2.98.85_Summonin g_Campaign)). Knights, rulers and avengers in one banner, cavalry, berserkers, alter egos, and Abby in another. It's 30 paid SQ, and you can only choose one banner. I think I'll give it a shot, while I'm pretty leery of throwing real money at the regular banners, I don't mind supporting the game occasionally when I'm guaranteed to get something. Not sure which banner I want to roll on, though, banner 2 has more ups and downs, while banner 1 seems more even for me. Anyone else thinking of having a go?

[Kitten Champion]

Yeah, Caster Cu, Caster Gilles, Bedivere, Jaguar Warrior, and Rider of Resistance are all story-locked. Which seems like a bit of a weird selection. Bedivere is a cool dude and probably the best non-Gold Saber at NP5 and Jaguar Warrior is waifu material and pretty solid mechanically. Caster Cu is sort of underwhelming mechanically, and probably outshone by lancer Cu for doggo fans. Rider is so-so in a class that has several great 3* options, and is a terrible person. Caster Gilles is arguably the worst servant in the game and is, well, Caster Gilles.

Yeah, but outside of a "gotta catch'em all" mentality I'm deeply repressing, any 3* or below is welcome for potential interlude SQ. After doing a few of them I've noticed you need barely any investment to unlock those, and they often have great drops. Raising Blackbeard in particularly to first ascension + Bond 1 took about 5 minutes and 3 Rider Pieces, yet his interlude yielded 10 guaranteed Cursed Pages and a SQ. The only downside is it's Blackbeard.

Plus, as every Event aside from Nerofest has demonstrated, having non-SR Servants around just to stuff into support slots for additional currency at lower costs is definitely a use.

[Velaryon]

Speaking of locked servants, we should have another GSSR roll up in a few days. This time it includes all event and story locked servants, as well as the general pool, divided across two banners (link). Knights, rulers and avengers in one banner, cavalry, berserkers, alter egos, and Abby in another. It's 30 paid SQ, and you can only choose one banner. I think I'll give it a hot, while I'm pretty leery of throwing real money at the regular banners, I don't mind supporting the game occasionally when I'm guaranteed to get something. Not sure which banner I want to roll on, though, banner 2 has more ups and downs, while banner 1 seems more even for me. Anyone else thinking of having a go?

I'm on the fence as to whether to participate. On the one hand, I don't like to spend money on freemium games like this, and I know myself well enough to know that if/when I get tired of this game in the future, having money invested in it will make me reluctant to walk away even after it stops being fun.

On the other hand, the prices are much more reasonable than in other games of this type that I've played, and the last time I did one (with a birthday gift card given to me for this specific purpose), I rolled Arthur Prototype and I've been quite happy with him. I guess I've still got a little time to think about it.

[ellenate]

I'm on the fence as to whether to participate. On the one hand, I don't like to spend money on freemium games like this, and I know myself well enough to know that if/when I get tired of this game in the future, having money invested in it will make me reluctant to walk away even after it stops being fun.

On the other hand, the prices are much more reasonable than in other games of this type that I've played, and the last time I did one (with a birthday gift card given to me for this specific purpose), I rolled Arthur Prototype and I've been quite happy with him. I guess I've still got a little time to think about it.


You don't need to spend any money, I've gotten along pretty well being f2p.

[NeoPhoenix0]

looks like i won't be getting MLB shop CE this year. ah well. and now that i have eresh i don't think i really have any servant i am particularly looking forward to except jeanne alter, and the still unreleased in JP lost belts assassin. i am looking forward to zerker jeanne too but she's free. i won't be able to save enough for the rerun for jeanne alters next banner but i might be able to save up a decent amount for next year's new year's campaign.

[HMS Invincible]

I'm very conflicted. Eresh came home in the final hours of the event, but it came at a terrible cost. 400sq and 25 tickets. And several mlb currency CE. Not even the good CEs either.
Saving up for jalter is my next goal for now. Though I'm pretty sure there's a bunch of good stuff coming that I can't afford to get.

[Yael]

Without any announce, we got the Cosmos in the Lostbelt prologue (part 2 of the main storyline, excluding Epic of Remnant).
https://webview.fate-go.us/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/1226_prologue/banner_20191226_i9ch6.png

Be sure to complete the quest before Jan 07, 2020 to get that juicy reward of 30 SQ (plus a commemorative CE of the Moonlight/Lostroom OVA).

To access part 2, Solomon must be completed, so there's still time, if you're stuck in any Singularity, feel free to ask for help of us Masters in the Playground.

[Kitten Champion]

I like that they have character art for the Chaldean employees now -- very Star Trek too.

As far as I can recall they've only been represented by text boxes with names on them -- usually Chaldean Engineer #1 or whatever. Always felt like they should've had something visual there for them, even if it was just a mostly faceless person in a uniform kind of stand-in.

[ImperatorV]

So, the new director is pretty clearly a pawn. I mean, he could secretly be a competent villain, but he seems too lame for that. The question is, is our main villain Mapo Tofu, Russian Totally-Not-A-Tamamo, both working together, or both working on separate agendas?

Also, I've heard spoilers about Team A, which makes me sad because I'd have liked to learn about them in the breadcrumb style we've gotten so far.

[ellenate]

gonna yolo everything until new year rolls around, currently got:

Yagyū Munenori
Medusa lancer
martha


that medusa almost gave me a heart attack, eresh would've been nice, but i really don't want more stake farming... :smallsigh:

[Red Fel]

gonna yolo everything until new year rolls around, currently got:

Yagyū Munenori
Medusa lancer
martha


that medusa almost gave me a heart attack, eresh would've been nice, but i really don't want more stake farming... :smallsigh:

Grats on Yagyu, he's kinda boss. As much as I'd like to yolo some things, I plan to save for some upcoming banners. (Especially Kingprotea.)

That said, I am setting aside one pull for tomorrow. December 28 is Kotomine Kirei's birthday, and apparently it is something of a tradition to offer a single pull and see if The Priest Smiles.

Also, apparently we should get some success rate ups around New Year's, so if you're farming embers, you might want to save them up for a few days. On the other hand, if you're farming mats (especially stakes)...

... well, good luck.

[ellenate]

Grats on Yagyu, he's kinda boss. As much as I'd like to yolo some things, I plan to save for some upcoming banners. (Especially Kingprotea.)

That said, I am setting aside one pull for tomorrow. December 28 is Kotomine Kirei's birthday, and apparently it is something of a tradition to offer a single pull and see if The Priest Smiles.

Also, apparently we should get some success rate ups around New Year's, so if you're farming embers, you might want to save them up for a few days. On the other hand, if you're farming mats (especially stakes)...

... well, good luck.


i need like 72 for Sheba... if it was for an ascension i'd go the extra mile but since it's just skills i'll wait for event shops (it'll make me more invested into the event anyway :smallsmile:).

[Red Fel]

i need like 72 for Sheba... if it was for an ascension i'd go the extra mile but since it's just skills i'll wait for event shops (it'll make me more invested into the event anyway :smallsmile:).

Oh, tell me about it. Eresh's smile may be heaven, but her mats are stake hell. And that's on top of Abby, who - while she doesn't need as many stakes (only 10 total, versus Eresh's 216) - is still going to set me back.

Have mercy on my Waver. He will die of overwork.

[Resileaf]

Oh, tell me about it. Eresh's smile may be heaven, but her mats are stake hell. And that's on top of Abby, who - while she doesn't need as many stakes (only 10 total, versus Eresh's 216) - is still going to set me back.

Have mercy on my Waver. He will die of overwork.

At least you can get her to rank 8 on her skills pretty easily, so you're not locked at low levels skills.