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Malfarian
2019-10-24, 12:10 PM
This forum seems to index everything it can. Is there an index of IFCC comics?

Schroeswald
2019-10-24, 12:22 PM
This has the list (https://oots.fandom.com/wiki/Cedrik#References)

knag
2019-10-24, 01:25 PM
This has the list (https://oots.fandom.com/wiki/Cedrik#References)

This is the most direct answer, but I'll just point out that the index of the comics that any character is in can also be found on the wiki (https://oots.fandom.com/wiki/Character_Index).

Riftwolf
2019-10-24, 06:48 PM
Huh, according to the wiki, Sabine is stated to be older than the current world, but no citations given. When was that established? Is it in one of the print versions?

Gift Jeraff
2019-10-24, 07:03 PM
Huh, according to the wiki, Sabine is stated to be older than the current world, but no citations given. When was that established? Is it in one of the print versions?

Book 2 bonus comic. A fiend that guards Julia's school is an ex from 2 millennia ago.

Emanick
2019-10-24, 08:51 PM
Book 2 bonus comic. A fiend that guards Julia's school is an ex from 2 millennia ago.

To add to this, the wiki’s claim that the bonus comic proves Sabine is older than the current world is erroneous. The world is more than 1184 years old; the OOTS calendar dates from the foundation of That Kingdom, not from the year the world was created.

In fact, the fiend’s statement that he and Sabine used to date two millennia ago is good evidence that the world is at least 2,000 years old, since we know all outsiders have their memories wiped in between worlds.

(Sabine could certainly be older than the current world - we just have no way of knowing that.)

MossyMeow
2019-10-25, 09:52 AM
I feel like Thor said something along the lines of more recent worlds lasting about two thousand years, but I don’t have a citation at the moment.

knag
2019-10-25, 10:11 AM
To add to this, the wiki’s claim that the bonus comic proves Sabine is older than the current world is erroneous. The world is more than 1184 years old; the OOTS calendar dates from the foundation of That Kingdom, not from the year the world was created.

In fact, the fiend’s statement that he and Sabine used to date two millennia ago is good evidence that the world is at least 2,000 years old, since we know all outsiders have their memories wiped in between worlds.

(Sabine could certainly be older than the current world - we just have no way of knowing that.)

Solid argument. I have updated the wiki entries for Sabine and the Timeline to reflect this.

Lord Torath
2019-10-25, 10:19 AM
I feel like Thor said something along the lines of more recent worlds lasting about two thousand years, but I don’t have a citation at the moment."...a few thousand years each, give or take (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1140.html)."

b_jonas
2019-10-27, 05:38 AM
TIn fact, the fiend’s statement that he and Sabine used to date two millennia ago is good evidence that the world is at least 2,000 years old, since we know all outsiders have their memories wiped in between worlds. I think that when Thor says "We have to wipe all the outsiders' memories every time we remake the world because they go a bit nuts if we don't." (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1147.html), he means only that the good gods wipe the mind of the good outsiders. The evil gods might not care if their underlings go nuts, and don't do a mindwipe. I can still believe that the current world is more than 2000 years old though.

Riftwolf
2019-10-27, 09:44 AM
I think that when Thor says "We have to wipe all the outsiders' memories every time we remake the world because they go a bit nuts if we don't." (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1147.html), he means only that the good gods wipe the mind of the good outsiders. The evil gods might not care if their underlings go nuts, and don't do a mindwipe. I can still believe that the current world is more than 2000 years old though.

Evil Gods want efficient servants, just like good and neutral, and having your entire staff screaming about their loss of pizza-natomy, or why they suddenly have the Blood War again when in the last world Devils and Demons were the same thing, would hinder them. Plus Evil is totally cool with the ideas of mass mind-wipes. Only alignment which might not bother is whoevers in charge of Slaads, because honestly who'd notice?

Peelee
2019-10-27, 12:41 PM
More to the point, the deities have to cooperate to not form more tangles, so I doubt only a portion would do that.

Fyraltari
2019-10-27, 01:01 PM
Also, the IFCC (and their bosses) may co-operate with evil gods, but they don't work for them (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0634.html). Which probably doesn't stop the evil gods from manipulating them, of course.

Gift Jeraff
2019-10-27, 10:02 PM
Don't forget there's an interim period between each world (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1144.html) which could be several centuries if the outdated Secret Lore of the Sapphire Guard (second-to-last panel) (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0274.html) is anything to go by. Then we can just assume Sabine was rounding up and it was actually closer to 1700~1800 years since she last saw Jeff and the numbers work out.

As for what goes on in that interim period, the Outsiders are probably too busy with the Blood War and such to notice anything involving the Snarl or the creation of the next world (presuming they all get memory wiped regardless of alignment). Plus I would imagine they basically lose memory of the Prime's planar coordinates until the world is finished so they don't plane shift in out of curiosity.

Riftwolf
2019-10-28, 05:49 AM
Don't forget there's an interim period between each world (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1144.html) which could be several centuries if the outdated Secret Lore of the Sapphire Guard (second-to-last panel) (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0274.html) is anything to go by. Then we can just assume Sabine was rounding up and it was actually closer to 1700~1800 years since she last saw Jeff and the numbers work out.

As for what goes on in that interim period, the Outsiders are probably too busy with the Blood War and such to notice anything involving the Snarl or the creation of the next world (presuming they all get memory wiped regardless of alignment). Plus I would imagine they basically lose memory of the Prime's planar coordinates until the world is finished so they don't plane shift in out of curiosity.

It'd make more sense to mind-wipe the outsiders when construction began than to wipe them after destruction. That way you can blag it that they'd only just been created, like everything else.

Razade
2019-10-28, 05:54 AM
I think that when Thor says "We have to wipe all the outsiders' memories every time we remake the world because they go a bit nuts if we don't." (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1147.html), he means only that the good gods wipe the mind of the good outsiders. The evil gods might not care if their underlings go nuts, and don't do a mindwipe. I can still believe that the current world is more than 2000 years old though.

There's nothing in Thor's words that provide any real support for that though. Aside from that, the others have pointed more reasons why everyone involved is part of the scheme. Not to mention that Sabine has never once indicated any knowledge of worlds before this one, The Snarl or anything close to that. Neither have the IFCC.

Lord Torath
2019-10-28, 08:55 AM
Aside from that, the others have pointed more reasons why everyone involved is part of the scheme. Not to mention that Sabine has never once indicated any knowledge of worlds before this one, The Snarl or anything close to that. Neither have the IFCC.Well, not before Nale found out about it from Shojo (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0379.html) and told Sabine (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0380.html), anyway.

But your point stands.