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BaseMar
2019-10-30, 08:35 AM
Hello

I need help to build a Wizard specialize in school of Abjuration. The only restriction are :

Allowed books : Player Handbook, U Arcane, Complete Series books, MIC.

Money to spend for her items : 580 000

Lv : 18
Race : Tiefling
Alignment : Neutral Good

Her main role should be counterspelling and shield magic of allies.

This is what i already prepared with statistics (bonuses from race) :

S : 8
Dex : 14 +2(race)
Con : 14
Int : 18 +2(race) +4(from lvling up)
Wis : 10
Cha : 10 -2(race)

feats thats interest me :

- Improve Initative
- Improve Counterspell
- Skill focus Concentration
- Insightful Reflex
- Extend Spell
- Energy Abjuration
- Magic Disruption
- Mystic Backlash
- Arcane Mastery

Prestige Classes that interest me :
- Master Specialist ( Abjuration ) 10 lv
- Abjurer 3 lv
- Archmage lv 1 ( Counterspell Mastery )
- Initiate of the Sevenfold Veil 4 lv


Items i think about :

*Ring of spell-battle
*Headband of conscius effort + 6 INT
*Gauntlet of Dexterity +6
*Ring of Arcane Might +Deflection bonus AC +5
*Dispelling Cord with ST +5
*Robe of Arcane Might +8
*A Belt of Battle

If you help me with feats, prestige classes and items would be great !

I edit this post every time if any ideas fits to this build and editing some list for feats, classes etc.

Biggus
2019-10-30, 09:34 AM
Skill Focus: Concentration is generally considered better value than Combat Casting as it gives +3 to all Concentration checks instead of +4 to just casting defensively but apart from that you're looking pretty good.

Some other things you may want to look in to:

The spell Spellcaster's Bane (CMage) helps with counterspelling

The Archmage prestige class for its Mastery of Counterspelling ability

Btw, shouldn't you have +4 to Intelligence from levelling up by level 18?

Piggy Knowles
2019-10-30, 09:36 AM
Given your focus and the books you have access to, Initiate of the Sevenfold Veil (Complete Arcane) seems like a perfect fit. Master Specialist means you’ll automatically meet the feat pre-reqs, as it grants you Skill Focus (spellcraft) and Greater Spell Focus, and you have just enough levels to complete both Master Specialist and IotSV. Abjurer 3/Master Specialist 10/IotSV 7 is a fine build for an abjurer.

That being said, I’m not a huge fan of the Unearthed Arcana abjurer variant. Resistance to energy isn’t bad, but since it’s tied to your wizard level (which will be low, since you’re jumping out after 3 levels) it’ll be outclassed by low level spells in fairly short order. Considering that you’re starting at level 18, I don’t think it’s going to be particularly useful. Aura of protection and spontaneous dispelling both require more levels in wizard than are necessary, and honestly neither one gives you anything all that great.

As for feats, I’m not a huge fan of Improved Counterspell, since it still requires you to constantly ready actions if you want to counter anything. Besides, you’ll mostly just use dispel as your go-to option for countering. Arcane Mastery is another good feat to look into, since it allows you to take 10 on caster level checks—just the thing for someone who uses a lot of dispels.

Sadly your limited books means you don’t have access to one of the best tools for a counterspell user, battlemagic perception, but you might want to check out duelward from Complete Arcane. Spellcaster’s bane from Complete Mage is another great choice.

BaseMar
2019-10-30, 09:37 AM
Skill Focus: Concentration is generally considered better value than Combat Casting as it gives +3 to all Concentration checks instead of +4 to just casting defensively but apart from that you're looking pretty good.

Some other things you may want to look in to:

The spell Spellcaster's Bane (CMage) helps with counterspelling

The Archmage prestige class for its Mastery of Counterspelling ability

Btw, shouldn't you have +4 to Intelligence from levelling up by level 18?

About Int yea i will fix this, to Combat Casting i need this feat to be an Abjurant Champion ( required ), about archmage i don't know what to throw away from this what i wrote above to take archmage :(. A little low lvl and forgot to write but this is gonna be the final lvl ( 18 ) couse this is and npc who need to help us to beat a boss ( rlly hard boss )

BaseMar
2019-10-30, 09:43 AM
As for feats, I’m not a huge fan of Improved Counterspell, since it still requires you to constantly ready actions if you want to counter anything. Besides, you’ll mostly just use dispel as your go-to option for countering. Arcane Mastery is another good feat to look into, since it allows you to take 10 on caster level checks—just the thing for someone who uses a lot of dispels.

Sadly your limited books means you don’t have access to one of the best tools for a counterspell user, battlemagic perception, but you might want to check out duelward from Complete Arcane. Spellcaster’s bane from Complete Mage is another great choice.


About feats, it's just my suggestion what to pick, still don't know what to pick and that's why i ask.

Piggy Knowles
2019-10-30, 09:55 AM
Re: Abjurant Champion, it’s a neat class but keep in mind its limitations. You are restricted to quickening spells of up to half your Abjurant Champion level, rounded up. With only two levels as you currently have planned, that just means free quicken on first level spells. It can still be useful, but at level 18 that’s not necessarily going to be all that great. If you definitely want to go that route, I tend to prefer going with all five levels, which at least lets you quicken dispel magic and arcane turmoil and similar spells.

BaseMar
2019-10-30, 09:58 AM
Re: Abjurant Champion, it’s a neat class but keep in mind its limitations. You are restricted to quickening spells of up to half your Abjurant Champion level, rounded up. With only two levels as you currently have planned, that just means free quicken on first level spells. It can still be useful, but at level 18 that’s not necessarily going to be all that great. If you definitely want to go that route, I tend to prefer going with all five levels, which at least lets you quicken dispel magic and arcane turmoil and similar spells.

Well thats make sense so i can just throw away this Abjurant Champion and take archmage with counterspell Mastery.

Biggus
2019-10-30, 02:05 PM
Given your focus and the books you have access to, Initiate of the Sevenfold Veil (Complete Arcane) seems like a perfect fit. Master Specialist means you’ll automatically meet the feat pre-reqs, as it grants you Skill Focus (spellcraft) and Greater Spell Focus, and you have just enough levels to complete both Master Specialist and IotSV. Abjurer 3/Master Specialist 10/IotSV 7 is a fine build for an abjurer.

IotSV is a great idea, it's probably the best defensive caster class in 3.5, and it fits your build better than Abjurant Champion. If you're using a +1 level adjustment race you won't be able to finish both classes unless you're using level adjustment buyoff though.


you might want to check out duelward from Complete Arcane.

I knew there was another spell which helps with counterspelling, but I couldn't remember the name, that was it. Being able to CS as an immediate action is infinitely superior to having to ready an action.

Duelward is a standard action to cast, so maybe think about some Divination spells like Clairaudience/ Clairvoyance and Arcane Eye to warn you when danger is coming so you can have it (and the IotSV's wards, and other spells like Shield) active before combat starts.

As for items, the Ring of Enduring Arcana (Cmage) is cheap at only 6,000GP and makes your spells much harder for others to dispel. More expensive but affordable by level 18 are the Ring of Arcane Might (CArc) for 20,000GP and the Orange Prism Ioun Stone for 30,000GP which both increase your caster level by one for both offence and defence.

BaseMar
2019-10-30, 02:51 PM
For items i think about:
*Ring of spell-battle - spellcraft check everytime if any spell is cast near me (60 ft radius) and make free dispel and redirect ( for me perfect choice)
*Diadem of Intelligence +6
*Gauntlet of Dexterity +6
*Ring of Protection +5
*Vest of Resistance +5

For the rest i have no idea, yea i forgot to write but i can use MIC too. I'm sorry :(

Biggus
2019-10-30, 03:21 PM
yea i forgot to write but i can use MIC too.

In that case, have a look at the Robe of Arcane Might (p.129) and the Dispelling Cord (p.94).

BaseMar
2019-10-30, 03:29 PM
In that case, have a look at the Robe of Arcane Might (p.129) and the Dispelling Cord (p.94).

I can take Dispelling cord and upgrade him with saving throws to +5 as rules from MIC

Robe of Arcane Might + 8 to have Armor +8 + i can take ring of Arcane might and do with deflection bonus upgrade to +5

Biggus
2019-10-30, 04:26 PM
If you're allowed multiple powers on a single item, a Headband of Conscious Effort (MiC p.109) can be added to your Headband of Intellect for very little extra cost. A Circlet of Rapid Casting (MiC p.86) can also be added to it, and allows you to Quicken a few low-level spells per day more cheaply and conveniently than a Lesser Metamagic Rod of Quicken Spell.

Third Eye Clarity (MiC p.141) is another cheap but useful defence.

A Belt of Battle (MiC p.73) is very handy for when you need to get multiple defences up in a hurry, and also gives a bonus to initiative.

Consider a Tome of Clear Thought. They're expensive, but you have a lot of money, and they're the only way other than the Headband of Intellect to permanently boost your Intelligence (and therefore get extra spells per day).

Alternatively, you may wish to invest in a Vest of the Archmagi (MiC p.145). Very expensive but worth every penny: in fact, worth about twice what it costs.

BaseMar
2019-10-31, 07:36 AM
*Bracers of blinding strike (MIC 198) just for +2 for initative HAHAHAH
*Cloak of displacement, major 50% miss chance on wizard ? I will take it
*Hand of the mage for touch spells from Master Abjurer where can take shield spells ?

Biggus
2019-10-31, 08:43 AM
*Cloak of displacement, major 50% miss chance on wizard ? I will take it

It's a standard action to activate, so it's only really useful if you know in advance that
combat is about to start. The minor cloak which gives a continuous 20% miss chance for half the price is generally considered a better buy.

BaseMar
2019-10-31, 09:26 AM
Thx for help just finished this Wizard :). How to end this topic ?