Illidatch
2019-11-16, 01:49 PM
Hello everyone!
So, my previous attempt at a Daggerspell Grappler left me kind of unsatisfied, mostly because grappling.
In short: I'm about to start a 3.5 game at lv 3 with a (3.0 Vanara) Shapeshifting Mystic Ranger.
Rolls: 9, 10, 12, 13, 13, 13
Now, my first 10 levels look solid enough to me, as follows:
Lv
Class
BAB
Fort
Ref
Wil
Special
Feats
0th
1st
2nd
3rd
4th
5th
CastLv
WShape/d
WShapeHD
Skirmish
Ab.Incr.
1
Ranger 1
1
2
2
0
Track, Wild Empathy(spiritual connenction), Fast movement
WF (Dagger)
2
0
0
0
0
0
1
0
0
2
Ranger 2
2
3
3
0
1st Favored Enemy (Arcane Hunter)
2
1
0
0
0
0
2
3
Ranger 3
3
3
3
1
Two weapon fighting
2
2
0
0
0
0
3
0
0
4
Ranger 4
4
4
4
1
Endurance
3
2
1
0
0
0
4
0
0
Int
5
Ranger 5
5
4
4
1
Wild Shape
3
2
2
0
0
0
5
1
5
6
Scout 1
5
4
6
1
Skirmish (1d6), Trapfinding
Natural Spell
3
2
2
0
0
0
5
1
5
1d6
7
Daggerspell Shaper 1
5
4
8
3
Daggercast, wild shape(+1/day)
3
2
2
0
0
0
5
3
6
1d6
8
Daggerspell Shaper 2
6
4
9
4
Dagger claws, wild shape (Tiny)
3
3
2
1
0
0
6
4
7
1d6
Wis
9
Daggerspell Shaper 3
7
5
9
4
Skirmish +1 lv*
Swift Hunter
4
3
2
2
0
0
7
4
8
2d6/2
10
Daggerspell Shaper 4
8
5
10
5
Wild Shape (Large)
4
3
3
2
1
0
8
4
9
2d6/2
*Asked the dm if entering with Skirmish into DSS could give me Skirmish advancement instead of Sneak Attack dice, he seems ok with it.
Although I like this part, I'm open to suggestion.
What I'm debating with myself is how to continue, specifically the merit in taking 10 levels of DSS, which in my opinion would be worth only adding Sword of the Arcane order to the mix. So I came up with 2 possible paths: one focused on Ranger levels, and one focused on DSS levels:
Option 1
Lv
Class
BAB
Fort
Ref
Wil
Special
Feats
0th
1st
2nd
3rd
4th
5th
CastLv
WShape/d
WShapeHD
Skirmish
Ab.Incr.
11
Ranger 6
9
6
11
5
Skirmish (2d6/2)
4
4
3
2
2
0
9
5
10
3d6/2
12
Ranger 7
10
6
11
5
Woodland Stride, 2nd Favored Enemy
Improved Skirmish
4
4
3
3
2
1
10
5
11
5d6/4
Con
13
Ranger 8
11
7
12
5
Swift Tracker, Skirmish (3d6/2)
4
4
4
3
2
2
11
5
12
5d6/5
14
Ranger 9
12
7
12
6
Evasion (Spell Reflection)
4
4
4
3
3
2
12
5
13
5d6/5
15
Ranger 10
13
8
13
6
Skirmish (3d6/3)
Multiattack/Rapidstrike/TravelDev.
5
4
4
4
3
3
13
6
14
6d6/5
16
Ranger 11
14
8
13
6
5
5
4
4
3
3
14
6
15
6d6/5
Con
17
Ranger 12
15
9
14
7
Skirmish (4d6/3)
5
5
4
4
4
3
15
6
16
6d6/6
18
Ranger 13
16
9
14
7
Camouflage, 3rd Favored Enemy
Multiattack/Rapidstrike/TravelDev.
5
5
5
4
4
3
16
6
17
6d6/6
19
Ranger 14
17
10
15
7
Skirmish (4d6/4)
5
5
5
4
4
4
17
7
18
7d6/6
20
??(Ranger 15)
gives nothing
Con
Option 2
Lv
Class
BAB
Fort
Ref
Wil
Special
Feats
0th
1st
2nd
3rd
4th
5th
CastLv
WShape/d
WShapeHD
Skirmish
Ab.Incr.
11
Daggerspell Shaper 5
8
5
10
5
Wild shape (+2/day)
4
4
3
2
2
0
9
5
10
2d6/2
12
Daggerspell Shaper 6
9
6
11
6
Skirmish + 1lv.
Improved Skirmish
4
4
3
3
2
1
10
6
11
5d6/4
Con
13
Daggerspell Shaper 7
10
6
11
6
Fast Wild Shape
4
4
4
3
2
2
11
6
12
5d6/4
14
Daggerspell Shaper 8
11
6
12
7
Enhanced Wild Shape
4
4
4
3
3
2
12
6
13
5d6/4
15
Daggerspell Shaper 9
11
7
12
7
Skirmish + 1 lv.
Sword of the Arcane Order
5
4
4
4
3
3
13
7
14
5d6/5
16
Daggerspell Shaper 10
12
7
13
8
Daggerspell Flurry, wild shape (+3/day)
5
5
4
4
3
3
14
8
15
5d6/5
Con
17
Ranger 6
13
8
14
8
Skirmish(2d6/2)
5
5
4
4
4
3
15
8
16
6d6/5
18
Ranger 7
14
8
14
8
Woodland Stride, 2nd Favored Enemy
Multiattack/Rapidstrike/TravelDev.
5
5
5
4
4
3
16
8
17
6d6/5
19
Ranger 8
15
9
15
8
Swift Tracker, Skirmish (3d6/2)
5
5
5
4
4
4
17
9
18
6d6/6
20
Ranger 9
16
9
15
9
Evasion (Spell Reflection)
5
5
5
5
4
4
18
9
19
6d6/6
Con
Which do you think will play best/be most fun? How would you change things? What items and other non-build stuff would you recommend?
Thank you verymuch for your time guys :smile:
So, my previous attempt at a Daggerspell Grappler left me kind of unsatisfied, mostly because grappling.
In short: I'm about to start a 3.5 game at lv 3 with a (3.0 Vanara) Shapeshifting Mystic Ranger.
Rolls: 9, 10, 12, 13, 13, 13
Now, my first 10 levels look solid enough to me, as follows:
Lv
Class
BAB
Fort
Ref
Wil
Special
Feats
0th
1st
2nd
3rd
4th
5th
CastLv
WShape/d
WShapeHD
Skirmish
Ab.Incr.
1
Ranger 1
1
2
2
0
Track, Wild Empathy(spiritual connenction), Fast movement
WF (Dagger)
2
0
0
0
0
0
1
0
0
2
Ranger 2
2
3
3
0
1st Favored Enemy (Arcane Hunter)
2
1
0
0
0
0
2
3
Ranger 3
3
3
3
1
Two weapon fighting
2
2
0
0
0
0
3
0
0
4
Ranger 4
4
4
4
1
Endurance
3
2
1
0
0
0
4
0
0
Int
5
Ranger 5
5
4
4
1
Wild Shape
3
2
2
0
0
0
5
1
5
6
Scout 1
5
4
6
1
Skirmish (1d6), Trapfinding
Natural Spell
3
2
2
0
0
0
5
1
5
1d6
7
Daggerspell Shaper 1
5
4
8
3
Daggercast, wild shape(+1/day)
3
2
2
0
0
0
5
3
6
1d6
8
Daggerspell Shaper 2
6
4
9
4
Dagger claws, wild shape (Tiny)
3
3
2
1
0
0
6
4
7
1d6
Wis
9
Daggerspell Shaper 3
7
5
9
4
Skirmish +1 lv*
Swift Hunter
4
3
2
2
0
0
7
4
8
2d6/2
10
Daggerspell Shaper 4
8
5
10
5
Wild Shape (Large)
4
3
3
2
1
0
8
4
9
2d6/2
*Asked the dm if entering with Skirmish into DSS could give me Skirmish advancement instead of Sneak Attack dice, he seems ok with it.
Although I like this part, I'm open to suggestion.
What I'm debating with myself is how to continue, specifically the merit in taking 10 levels of DSS, which in my opinion would be worth only adding Sword of the Arcane order to the mix. So I came up with 2 possible paths: one focused on Ranger levels, and one focused on DSS levels:
Option 1
Lv
Class
BAB
Fort
Ref
Wil
Special
Feats
0th
1st
2nd
3rd
4th
5th
CastLv
WShape/d
WShapeHD
Skirmish
Ab.Incr.
11
Ranger 6
9
6
11
5
Skirmish (2d6/2)
4
4
3
2
2
0
9
5
10
3d6/2
12
Ranger 7
10
6
11
5
Woodland Stride, 2nd Favored Enemy
Improved Skirmish
4
4
3
3
2
1
10
5
11
5d6/4
Con
13
Ranger 8
11
7
12
5
Swift Tracker, Skirmish (3d6/2)
4
4
4
3
2
2
11
5
12
5d6/5
14
Ranger 9
12
7
12
6
Evasion (Spell Reflection)
4
4
4
3
3
2
12
5
13
5d6/5
15
Ranger 10
13
8
13
6
Skirmish (3d6/3)
Multiattack/Rapidstrike/TravelDev.
5
4
4
4
3
3
13
6
14
6d6/5
16
Ranger 11
14
8
13
6
5
5
4
4
3
3
14
6
15
6d6/5
Con
17
Ranger 12
15
9
14
7
Skirmish (4d6/3)
5
5
4
4
4
3
15
6
16
6d6/6
18
Ranger 13
16
9
14
7
Camouflage, 3rd Favored Enemy
Multiattack/Rapidstrike/TravelDev.
5
5
5
4
4
3
16
6
17
6d6/6
19
Ranger 14
17
10
15
7
Skirmish (4d6/4)
5
5
5
4
4
4
17
7
18
7d6/6
20
??(Ranger 15)
gives nothing
Con
Option 2
Lv
Class
BAB
Fort
Ref
Wil
Special
Feats
0th
1st
2nd
3rd
4th
5th
CastLv
WShape/d
WShapeHD
Skirmish
Ab.Incr.
11
Daggerspell Shaper 5
8
5
10
5
Wild shape (+2/day)
4
4
3
2
2
0
9
5
10
2d6/2
12
Daggerspell Shaper 6
9
6
11
6
Skirmish + 1lv.
Improved Skirmish
4
4
3
3
2
1
10
6
11
5d6/4
Con
13
Daggerspell Shaper 7
10
6
11
6
Fast Wild Shape
4
4
4
3
2
2
11
6
12
5d6/4
14
Daggerspell Shaper 8
11
6
12
7
Enhanced Wild Shape
4
4
4
3
3
2
12
6
13
5d6/4
15
Daggerspell Shaper 9
11
7
12
7
Skirmish + 1 lv.
Sword of the Arcane Order
5
4
4
4
3
3
13
7
14
5d6/5
16
Daggerspell Shaper 10
12
7
13
8
Daggerspell Flurry, wild shape (+3/day)
5
5
4
4
3
3
14
8
15
5d6/5
Con
17
Ranger 6
13
8
14
8
Skirmish(2d6/2)
5
5
4
4
4
3
15
8
16
6d6/5
18
Ranger 7
14
8
14
8
Woodland Stride, 2nd Favored Enemy
Multiattack/Rapidstrike/TravelDev.
5
5
5
4
4
3
16
8
17
6d6/5
19
Ranger 8
15
9
15
8
Swift Tracker, Skirmish (3d6/2)
5
5
5
4
4
4
17
9
18
6d6/6
20
Ranger 9
16
9
15
9
Evasion (Spell Reflection)
5
5
5
5
4
4
18
9
19
6d6/6
Con
Which do you think will play best/be most fun? How would you change things? What items and other non-build stuff would you recommend?
Thank you verymuch for your time guys :smile: