Mystic Muse's Magnificent Masquerade Random Banter #225

[Mystic Muse]

Welcome to Random Banter, where the banter is random, and... well, that's pretty much it, aside from:

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Amotis' Random Banter #1 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13484)
Dhavaer's Random Banter #2 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13401)
PhoeKun's Random Banter #3 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13319)
Rei Jin's Random Banter #4 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13205)
Toxic Avenger's Random Banter #5 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13146)
Jibar's Random Banter #6 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13026)
Ego Slayer's Surrogate Random Banter #7 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12939)
Sneak's Random Barroom Brawl #8 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12918)
Sophistemon's Solemnly Random Banter #9 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12855)
Vaynor's Very Random Banter #10 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12834)
Bookman's Blathering Random Banter #11 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12809)
Gralamin's Glorious Random Banter #12 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12785)
Rilik's Resplendently Random Raillery #13 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12766)
Gezina's Growling Grazing Random Banter #14 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12747)
The Zerglings Utterly And Geeky Random Banter #15 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12740)
jaqueses Truthfully Randomly Fireside Banter # 16 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12735)
Jack Squat’s Jubilantly Quixotic Random Banter #17 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12693)
Cardel's Banter of Cookie Jubilation #18 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12668)
Archonic's Chaotically Random Banter of Rods #19 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12657)
The Rod's Inanimate Temple of RANDOM banter #20 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12638)
Lucky’s Loquaciously Loud-Mouthed Random Banter#21 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12630)
Deckmaster's Divinely Delightful Random Banter #22 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12614)
Saithis' Soliloquy of Random Banter #23 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12598)
Loveable Lianae's Ludicrous Lampooning Lottery #24 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12578)
NEO|Phyte's Neolithic Nest of Weasel Banter #25 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12544)
Target's Random Banter of "non-violence" #26 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12533)
Tarnag40k's Random banter of "grammar errors" #27 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12515)
Kyrian's Random Banter of ADHDness #28 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12507)
El Jaspero's Random Drunken Ramblings #29 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12503)
Boss Smiley's Eloquently Eggy Banter #30 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12494)
Lykan's Looney Explosionarama & Random Banter #31 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12482)
Iames's Iambic Yarn of Yammering #32 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12468)
Dispozition's Deviously Distressed Banter #33 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12458)
CP's Copiously Combusting Banter of Carnage #34 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12445)
Alarra's Altar of Random Banter #35 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12432)
Eloquent Rune's Electrifying Rambling Banter #36 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12423)
E_P's Very Own Quite Popular Random Banter #37 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12419)
Hydrogelic's Foolish Mortal Random Banter #38 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12413)
Ink's Smudgy Splotchy Random Banter #39 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12405)
Azrael's Big Black Book of Banter #40 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12397)
The Logic Vampire's Rational Random Banter #41 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12387)
Shiny's Shimmering Space-hitchin Random Banter #42 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12376)
ZombieRockStar's Random Banter #43 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12360)
Nostrabel's Realm of Cookies and Random Banter #44 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12342)
Charity's Cheery Chatter Circle #45 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12328)
Samiam's Spontaneous Scintillating Soliloquy #46 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12310)
LLama's Masked Mysterious Random Banter #47 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26599)
Ravishing Rydia's Recumbentibus ^_^ Random Banter #48 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27622)
Penguinizers Perilous Random Banter #49 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28083)
Death's delightfully morbid surrogate random banter #50 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28444)
Wayril's wonderfully weird surrogate random banter #51 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28990)
Rawhide's Deck of Random Banter (52 Cards) (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29697)
Korith's Sorrogate Random Banter of Zombie Killing #53 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30353)
Surrogate thread of random Bor-dom #54 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31109)
Rex Idiotarum's Painfully Pogoing Thread #55 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31512)
The Wrath of KHAAAAAANtalas’s William Shatner Flavored Random Banter # 56 (Surrogate) (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32080)
EmeraldRose's Random Banter of Lashing Wit #57 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32494)
Captain van der Decken's Surrogate Ship of Random Loot (Banter) #58 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32847)
SDF's Neverending I-Don't-Have-an-OotS-Avatar-Yet Story Banter #59 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33465)
Mauril's Surrogate Dwelf Banter of Fantasy Race Confusion 60th Edition (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34165)
Rockphed's Dice Rolling Toga Party of 61 Drunken CIA Analysts (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34568)
var Lord_Magtok = Random(Banter*62) + Surrogate (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34801)
Jibar's Retro Random Banter #63 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35014)
Malina's Random Spanish Banter #64 of morphical annoyance (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35256)
Mr. E's Random Banter #65 of Cane Toting and Hat Tipping (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35418)
Ego Slayer's Hellishly Random Banter #66.6 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35596)
Purple Gelatinous Cube o' Doom's bowl of bantery j-e-ll-o randomness #67 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35859)
Zephra's Random Banter of Ghostly Wailings, and Howling Fun#68 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36317)
Cobra Ikari's Random Banter #69 of Rampant Hugging, Guttermindedness, and ;-) Kinky. (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36977)
Scorpina's Random Banter #70 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37480)
Raistlin1040's Super Special Awesome Random Banter #71(Now with 20% more tacos) (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37824)
Uberblah's Random Banter #72 Of Caffeine And Sleep Deprivation Induced Randomness (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38225)
Lucky’s Random Banter #73 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38987)
Castaras's Random Banter #74 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37836)
D'anna Biers RB #75 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39495)
Zeb The Troll's RB#76 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39801)
Eldpollard's RB #77 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40128)
Gezina's and Calamity's Random banter #78 of double entendre and doom (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40410)
Random Banter #79 In Loving Memory of Hexa_Regina (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40909)
Zeratul's random banter #80 of throwing puppies off bridges (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41778)
Vespe's Random Banter #81 of singing dolphins and mostly harmless planets. (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43254)
CSK's Giant in the Playground Forums Addicted Anonymous, Random Banter #82 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44919)
Iames's Ramblingly Erratic Belldandy-Charged Random Banter #83 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=47592)
Serpentine's Scintillating Sensually and Sinuously Seductive Stochastic Satire #84 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49048)
Radikalskippy's Random Banter #85 of lost ideas and where to find them... (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50658)
Moon Called's Random Banter #86 of Sexy Anime Boys and Fangirl Squeals (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51825)
Lilly's Lovely Random Banter #87 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52783)
FdL's Fuzzbox-Fueled Random Banter #88 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54612)
SweetRein's Sugary Restrained Random Banter #89 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59668)
Midnight's Mutant Motorcycle Madness Random Banter #90 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=62430)
Em's Extremely Extraordinarily Epic Random Banter #91 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65645)
Dragonrider's Random Banter in Conjunction with the Weighted Cube #92 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67629)
Bushranger's Bodaciously Buffed Random Banter-y Rooster #93 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69425)
Haruki's Historically Hilarious Honey-covered Random Banter #94 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71161)
North's Maple Syrup Flavored Non-Alliterative Random Banter #95 Eh? (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=73464)
Wadledo's Weirdly Warbling Watercress Watching Washing Machine Only Random Banter #96 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=75946)
SMEE's Random Banter #97 of gender bending and closet bursting (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78694)
Raiser's Rambunctiously Rambling Random Banter #98 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=81626)
Dr. Bath's Random Banter, dripping with daring deeds of dastardly deipnosophists #99 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84068)
VOTE, the Democracy Demon's Devilishly Devious and Decidedly Diabolical Desultory Derision (Random Banter) #100 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84914)
Jack Squat's Justlessly Juxtaposed Random Banter #101 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=87577)
Dallas-Dakota's Dundering Dandelion's Devilish Damsel's Distress Random Banter #102 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4790602#post4790602)
Destro Yersul's Dangerously Distracting and Doubtlessly Disturbing Random Banter #103 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4903962#post4903962)
Aziraphales Actually Alliterative and Awesomely Affluent Random Banter #104 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=92718)
Cristo's Consistently Confusing and Constantly Casual Random Banter #105 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=94491)
Dish's Delightfully Deranged and Deliciously Deliquent Random Banter # 106 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=95905)
Slayer's Seemingly Sweet and Socially Silly Random Banter # 107 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=97703)
Zero's ambrosial and aberrantly adventitious, abstemiously erudite Random Banter #108 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=99100)
Coplantor's Completely Creative Cautious and Contemplative Random Banter #109 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=100414)
Rutskarn's Roly-Poly Rebellious and Rejected Random Banter #110 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=101156)
TwoBitWriter's Tubular Tracts of Thought-Talking Random Banter #111 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5600540#post5600540)
Phase's Phully Phormed, Phalangeal, and Phantasmagorical Random Banter #112 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=101988)
Wolfbane's Wonderfully Wacky and Wildly Wandom Random Banter #113 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=102865)
The Kiwi's Kinkily Knotted and Kookily Kickass Random Banter #114 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103674)
Jude's Judgmental Jugular Jab and Jibber Jabbery Random Banter #115 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=104480)
The Throne of Thufir's Thoroughly Theoretical and Therapeutic Random Banter #116 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105584)
Random Banter #117 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106698)
Dragonprime's Dynamically Dangerous Dextrous and Destructive Random Banter #118 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=107882)
Farmer Felix's Fantastic FRandom FBanter #119 (may contain traces of fnuts) (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=109007)
Groundhog's Random Banter of Weather Prediction and Anti-Gopherness (part one) (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=110963&page=50)
Groundhog's Random Banter of Weather Prediction and Anti-Gopherness (part two) (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=113197)
Mrmud's Mixed-Up and Minimally Mechanized Random Banter #121 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=114623)
Dogmantra's Dastardly, Despotic and Dangerous Random Banter #122 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=116660)
Alteran's Amazingly Anachronistic, Altruistic, and Antagonistic Random Banter #123
(http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=118380)Admiral Euphoria's Random Banter Thread of Delusional Grandeur #124 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6614894)
Fred's Flying Fishy, Fighting, Fiery, Fantastic Face Off Random Banter #125 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=121385)
Cyrano’s Non-Alliterative Inaugurational Random Banter #126 To Usher In The Future (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=122977)
Thanatos's Tharmturges Present: Tropical, Tipsy, and Typically Random Banter #127
loopy's Legendary and Long-Awaited Lollipop Fuelled Random Banter #128 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=123816)
Shadow's Shady Shop of Sharks, Shingles, Shammies, Shiny and Random Banter #129 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125667)
KataraAltinaII's Premature Not So Short & To-The-Point Random Banter #130 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=126557)
Supagoof's Supa-Sensational Silly Symphonies Set Sizzingly On Fire Random Banter #131 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=128570)
Pyrian's Pyrotechnic Pyre of Pyrrhic Pyros with Pyrotic Pythics Random Banter #132! (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=130459)
Perenelle's Pleasantly Playful and Passionately Peculiar Random Banter #133 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=131814)
Rpgsr4me's Ravenous, Roaring, Raging Rampage of Random Banter #134 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7373844#post7373844)
Il'deav Ilah'naie's Indiscreet Intimacies on Indigo Iceboats Random Banter #135 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=134438)
Recaiden's Resplendent and Rotating Realistic Random Banter #136 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=136879)
Jibar's Random Banter #137: Return of the Cat-muffin (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=138879)
Edge's Effluence of Extravagant and Effulgent Random Banter #138 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7876065)
Zeb The Troll's Zecond Go At Ze Random Banter #139 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8061505&postcount=1)
Curly's Rambunctious and Erudite Random Banter #140 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=148462)
Deth Muncher's Destructive and Meandering Random Banter #141 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=150904)
A Thread in Which Banter Most Random is Expulsed Into Existence, By Ravens_cry #142 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8722755)
Several Silly Sealions Stuffed Seaweed Southward Swiftly (Or, Random Banter #143) (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=159998)
The thread that changed name one last time, with style. (Random Banter #144) (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=161407)
Banjo’s Bodacious & Boosted Bumper Bulletproof Box of Banter Most Random #145 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=162819)
Masa's Massively Masterful Message Medium - Random Banter #146 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=164224)
KuReshtin's Vociferously Ruminating Harbinger of Random Banter - #147 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=166664)
Archonic's Archaic Acronymical Antidisestablishmentarianism Random Banter - #148 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=169890)
Skeppio's Splendidly Strange & Superbly Scintillating Random Banter - #149 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=173056)
Teddy's Turbulent and Topicless Random Banter #150 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=175338)
Fifty-Eyed Fred's Ferociously Fanatical and Fabulously Fascinating Random Banter #151 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=178205)
Rae's Really Rascally and Ridiculously Rowdy Random Banter #152 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=181296)
Haruki's Hot n' Holy Random Banter #153 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=10176275#post10176275)
MoonCat's Magnificently Mythopoeic Random Banter #154
(http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=187576)Eadin's Exchange of Extraterrestrial Excuses AKA Random Banter #155 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=190034)
Happy HalfTangible's Horrific Hail of Random Banter #156 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=10629167#post10629167)
AtlanteanTroll's Atrocious and Terrific Arcade of Terror - RB #157 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=196302)
LaLa’s Laughably Silly Random Banter Thread – RB #158 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=198767)
Zaydos's Zany Zooetic Random Banter - RB #159 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=200208)
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Absolmorph's Azoic Arete of Adventitious and Aimless Random Banter - RB 161 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=202546)
Gwyn's Gloriously Green Garrumphing Garter of Garrulous Gabble! Random Banter #162 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=203954)
Eruantion's Euphoric, Elephant-filled Elevated Epoch of Eurhythmic Random Banter #163 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=205487)
ATW's Awesome Androgynous Avaricious Azure Ardent Adamant Alluvial Random Banter #164 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=207269)
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OP will be updated with the most recent thread when I get home.

Masques and party clothes will be provided for free to those I like. :smalltongue:

[Bartmanhomer]

If anyone didn't hear me in the last random banter thread I'll repeat it again: French Toast was 90s' clothing line.

[Mystic Muse]

If anyone didn't hear me in the last random banter thread I'll repeat it again: French Toast was 90s' clothing line.

No one heard you in the last random banter thread because text is not an auditory medium.

:tongue:

[Bartmanhomer]

No one heard you in the last random banter thread because text is not an auditory medium.

:tongue:

Auditory medium? What's that? :confused:

[DataNinja]

Emerald's are real rocks DataNinja. They don't immediately make blue hedgehogs just exist!!!

you have no idea how hard it was to resist writing; Orochi chuckled, "You mean the Chaos Emeralds?"

No, but I'm just saying that just because you say it's Emerald-Green doesn't necessarily mean the same thing. :smallwink:
Ignore the stuff like Emerald Hills Zone being covered in green grass.

[LaZodiac]

Powerfully good girlfriend made RB thread. Smells good and nice.

@Bartmanhomer: Audiatory Medium means "a thing you listen to with your ears".

[Fyraltari]

@Bartmanhomer: Audiatory Medium means "a thing you listen to with your ears".

As opposed, of course, to visual media which are "things you listen to with your eyes".

[Bartmanhomer]

Powerfully good girlfriend made RB thread. Smells good and nice.

@Bartmanhomer: Auditory Medium means "a thing you listen to with your ears".

Ok. Thank you. So anyway I can't to go to Barnes and Noble and look a food recipe book of applesauce or get a Nook version of it.

[LaZodiac]

As opposed, of course, to visual media which are "things you listen to with your eyes".

Valid.


Ok. Thank you. So anyway I can't to go to Barnes and Noble and look a food recipe book of applesauce or get a Nook version of it.

Why not?

[Bartmanhomer]

Valid.



Why not?

I meant I can't wait to go. Darn, autocorrect. :mad:

[The Fury]

If anyone didn't hear me in the last random banter thread I'll repeat it again: French Toast was 90s' clothing line.

I think they still make school uniforms.

[Bartmanhomer]

I think they still make school uniforms.

But not casual clothing? :confused:

[The Fury]

But not casual clothing? :confused:

No idea. I had a therapy buddy a few years ago and she was interested in owning a men's style blazer jacket. She was tiny, so I tried looking up boy's sizes to see if that would do as a workaround. French Toast came up as a brand that made boy's size blazers as school uniforms, because I guess boys don't wear blazers as everyday clothing.

[Bartmanhomer]

No idea. I had a therapy buddy a few years ago and she was interested in owning a men's style blazer jacket. She was tiny, so I tried looking up boy's sizes to see if that would do as a workaround. French Toast came up as a brand that made boy's size blazers as school uniforms, because I guess boys don't wear blazers as everyday clothing.

Well I do remember there was a commercial back in the 1990s. There was a French Toast casual clothing line. I was a little boy back then and I still remember it. :smile:

[Anonymouswizard]

Brought over from old thread.


So i want to make a very pointed note here: I am very, very bad at comforting people. It's just not a skill I possess. After the last death of a family member, my wife joked that she's going to feel spectacularly worse when her parents die because I'm not going to able to help much.

So, with that having been said.... maybe this, with an invitation to go do something?
https://i.redd.it/3ve2xlm1v7441.jpg

I've asked if she wants me to come over this weekend or to meet up somewhere. If I didn't have work tomorrow I think I'd just be running over there to make sure she's okay, but I honestly don't know if she wants to see people, or if she's even in her place at the moment.

I just want her to be okay, and if I could stay with her and make sure she doesn't do anything stupid, at least until she starts being able to move forward. I love her (platonically, I think, feelings be confusing), and I just want to make sure that she gets to the point where this isn't hanging over her.

[Bartmanhomer]

Brought over from old thread.



I've asked if she wants me to come over this weekend or to meet up somewhere. If I didn't have work tomorrow I think I'd just be running over there to make sure she's okay, but I honestly don't know if she wants to see people, or if she's even in her place at the moment.

I just want her to be okay, and if I could stay with her and make sure she doesn't do anything stupid, at least until she starts being able to move forward. I love her (platonically, I think, feelings be confusing), and I just want to make sure that she gets to the point where this isn't hanging over her.
I don't think you're feeling aren't confusing.

[Anonymouswizard]

I don't think you're feeling aren't confusing.

Pardon? Sorry, but I just cannot parse that.

I guess you could call me Anonymousbalrog then :biggrin:

[Bartmanhomer]

Pardon? Sorry, but I just cannot parse that.

I guess you could call me Anonymousbalrog then :biggrin:

Darn, autocorrect. It's on the fritz again. I mean your feeling isn't confusing.

[Peelee]

No idea. I had a therapy buddy a few years ago and she was interested in owning a men's style blazer jacket. She was tiny, so I tried looking up boy's sizes to see if that would do as a workaround. French Toast came up as a brand that made boy's size blazers as school uniforms, because I guess boys don't wear blazers as everyday clothing.

Well, that depends on the Blazers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UAB_Blazers).

[Anonymouswizard]

Darn, autocorrect. It's on the fritz again. I mean your feeling isn't confusing.

Maybe, but I can't parse that as well.

As I said, Anonymousbalrog.

[DataNinja]

Darn, autocorrect. It's on the fritz again. I mean your feeling isn't confusing.

I'm pretty sure Anonymoustrademarkedfiredemon is saying that they're not able to parse out which feeling they're feeling. Not whether a giving feeling is a confusing state of being or not. :smalltongue:

[Bartmanhomer]

Maybe, but I can't parse that as well.

As I said, Anonymousbalrog.

Ok. Anonymousbalrog. Anyway, I'm enjoying playing D&D 3.5. Where I'm a Level 3 Neutral Good Female Lesser Drow Wizard named Sarah Diamond. So far my character is doing well.

[Anonymouswizard]

I'm pretty sure Anonymoustrademarkedfiredemon is saying that they're not able to parse out which feeling they're feeling. Not whether a giving feeling is a confusing state of being or not. :smalltongue:

Yep this. I love my friend, but I'm not sure how and in what proportions.


Ok. Anonymousbalrog. Anyway, I'm enjoying playing D&D 3.5. Where I'm a Level 3 Neutral Good Female Lesser Drow Wizard named Sarah Diamond. So far my character is doing well.

I have a real desire to pau either a dark ages or space opera game. Just something about being a warlock on the run from the law of a space engineer appeals to me.

[Tvtyrant]

I have to shave my luscious beard off for work. I'm very sad, its going to look awful until August.

[Bartmanhomer]

Yep this. I love my friend, but I'm not sure how and in what proportions.



I have a real desire to pau either a dark ages or space opera game. Just something about being a warlock on the run from the law of a space engineer appeals to me.

Cool. I have tried to play a warlock at one point by the betrays the whole party.

[Anonymouswizard]

Cool. I have tried to play a warlock at one point by the betrays the whole party.

Warlock here doesn't really mean the same thing as the D&D class here, except it does, think a bit more summoned. Kind of hard to talk about that character concept in detail because it's inspired by RW things.

[Bartmanhomer]

Warlock here doesn't really mean the same thing as the D&D class here, except it does, think a bit more summoned. Kind of hard to talk about that character concept in detail because it's inspired by RW things.

Ok. I'm thinking of creating A D&D 3.5 Homebrew Deity but too be honest it's very difficult to make it. I'm not asking for advice. This one I can do it only own :frown:

[Insane Jeenyus]

ok, getting caught up here, and the last thread had a bunch of ya'll talking about eggs and such. Now I want breakfast for dinner!

[Bartmanhomer]

ok, getting caught up here, and the last thread had a bunch of ya'll talking about eggs and such. Now I want breakfast for dinner!

Cool and while we're let's add Eggo waffles, pancakes and cereal for dinner.

[Anonymouswizard]

ok, getting caught up here, and the last thread had a bunch of ya'll talking about eggs and such. Now I want breakfast for dinner!

It was an eggcellent discussion :smallwink:

[DataNinja]

Now I want breakfast for dinner!

Only if I can have dessert for breakfast. Oh, wait, I'm an adult (allegedly), I can. :smalltongue:

[The Fury]

Well, that depends on the Blazers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UAB_Blazers).

I guess, or the Portland Trailblazers. Never doubt Rip City.


Ok. Anonymousbalrog. Anyway, I'm enjoying playing D&D 3.5. Where I'm a Level 3 Neutral Good Female Lesser Drow Wizard named Sarah Diamond. So far my character is doing well.

I've had an idea to play an undead warrior of some kind that largely looks human(ish) but doesn't heal naturally so she has to occasionally sew herself back together. As such some of her body parts don't quite match because they used to belong to other people. Her name? Patch.

So far this has been a hard sell for most DMs since it's not well-supported by the rules and a lot of it would have to be made up.

[Bartmanhomer]

I guess, or the Portland Trailblazers. Never doubt Rip City.



I've had an idea to play an undead warrior of some kind that largely looks human(ish) but doesn't heal naturally so she has to occasionally sew herself back together. As such, some of her body parts don't quite match because they used to belong to other people. Her name? Patch.

So far this has been a hard sell for most DMs since it's not well-supported by the rules and a lot of it would have to be made up.
Cool. My character has been inspired by a tarot card known as the Page of Pentacles.

[Anonymouswizard]

I'm worried about going to sleep, because in worried I might want to hit the gin before work tomorrow.

[Mystic Muse]

Playing a Neutral Good Level 12 Kitsune Transmuter Wizard/Loremaster/potentially a homebrew class I'm going to run by my DM who may end up becomjng a Lich.

I got my DM to say last session semi-sarcastically "you know, the game isn't fun." Because I got a 45 on my knowledge arcana check.

I rolled a 6. :smalltongue:

[Bartmanhomer]

I'm worried about going to sleep, because in worried I might want to hit the gin before work tomorrow.

Don't drink too much or you'll get a hangover.

[Anonymouswizard]

Don't drink too much or you'll get a hangover.

Don't worry, I'll make sure to mix it with tonic water. It's half and half for a normal mix, right?

[Insane Jeenyus]

Cool and while we're let's add Eggo waffles, pancakes and surreal for dinner.I fixed it for you

[Bartmanhomer]

Don't worry, I'll make sure to mix it with tonic water. It's half and half for a normal mix, right?That's good. I used to drink alcohol at my college days and man it totally messed me up. :frown:


Playing a Neutral Good Level 12 Kitsune Transmuter Wizard/Loremaster/potentially a homebrew class I'm going to run by my DM who may end up becomjng a Lich.

I got my DM to say last session semi-sarcastically "you know, the game isn't fun." Because I got a 45 on my knowledge arcana check.

I rolled a 6. :smalltongue:
My character is also a Transmuter. Going to use a Master Specialist prestige class on the next level which is level 4.

[Anonymouswizard]

That's good. I used to drink alcohol at my college days and man it totally messed me up. :frown:

No it's not, I'm implying that I want to drink to the point I have memory trouble and/or turn up to work utterly beef sausaged.

[Bartmanhomer]

No it's not, I'm implying that I want to drink to the point I have memory trouble and/or turn up to work utterly beef sausage.

Trust me it does. When I Drink alcohol the first time at college, I spit in the girl's face and hit the guy with a chair. Alcohol and medication definitely don't mix for me. :frown:

[Peelee]

I have a real desire to pau either a dark ages or space opera game. Just something about being a warlock on the run from the law of a space engineer appeals to me.
Depending on how you define "warlock" and "engineer," Jedi: Fallen Order might serve you well!

I have to shave my luscious beard off for work. I'm very sad, its going to look awful until August.
As someone who can't grow a beard to save his life, it's always sad to hear when my bearded brethren habe to shave.

Don't drink too much or you'll get a hangover.
Eh, there's ways to minimize that.

[Bartmanhomer]

Depending on how you define "warlock" and "engineer," Jedi: Fallen Order might serve you well!

As someone who can't grow a beard to save his life, it's always sad to hear when my bearded brethren habe to shave.

Eh, there's ways to minimize that.

So I've heard.

[Qwertystop]

On the recent note of bready breakfast things – after I started making my own yogurt, I tried using some of it to make soda bread. The texture comes out a bit different, but yogurt + flour + baking soda + salt + (maybe a splash of water) makes a pretty good ad-hoc roll dough (english-muffin-shaped). I cook it on a frying pan set medium-low, ten to fifteen minutes a side.

Also made a bread pudding for Thanksgiving, which is basically french toast but you cut the bread up and cook it in the liquid (which is basically a custard base anyway) instead of frying whole slices. I think I made too much liquid for the bread; it was more "bread on top of a pan full of custard" than "rich and custardy bread".

[rcom12]

Trust me it does. When I Drink alcohol the first time at college, I spit in the girl's face and hit the guy with a chair. Alcohol and medication definitely don't mix for me. :frown:
I feel sorry for that girl.

[Bartmanhomer]

I feel sorry for that girl.

I was unstable back then. I just have a very bad experience at college. If I had a time machine I would fix everything to prevent all the idiotic stuff that I did. :frown:

[Peelee]

I'm worried about going to sleep, because in worried I might want to hit the gin before work tomorrow.

Also, i might join you for solidarity.

[Tvtyrant]

On the recent note of bready breakfast things – after I started making my own yogurt, I tried using some of it to make soda bread. The texture comes out a bit different, but yogurt + flour + baking soda + salt + (maybe a splash of water) makes a pretty good ad-hoc roll dough (english-muffin-shaped). I cook it on a frying pan set medium-low, ten to fifteen minutes a side.

Also made a bread pudding for Thanksgiving, which is basically french toast but you cut the bread up and cook it in the liquid (which is basically a custard base anyway) instead of frying whole slices. I think I made too much liquid for the bread; it was more "bread on top of a pan full of custard" than "rich and custardy bread".

This sounds pretty interesting, I think I will try it with rice bread.

[factotum]

Only if I can have dessert for breakfast. Oh, wait, I'm an adult (allegedly), I can. :smalltongue:

Speaking as someone recently diagnosed with type 2 diabetes, you might not want to be doing that every day...

[Fyraltari]

Being an adult is realizing that absolutely nothing is stopping you from eating cake right frikking now and deciding not to.

[DataNinja]

Being an adult is realizing that absolutely nothing is stopping you from eating cake right frikking now and deciding not to.

Something stopping me from eating cake right now is my lack of cake. I unfortunately can neither have it nor eat it. :smalltongue:

[Anonymouswizard]

Also, i might join you for solidarity.

Well unfortunately I didn't have time to grab a bottle before leaving for work.


Being an adult is realizing that absolutely nothing is stopping you from eating cake right frikking now and deciding not to.

I mean, I'd have to get off the bus first.

[Peelee]

Being an adult is realizing that absolutely nothing is stopping you from eating cake right frikking now and deciding not to.

Imean, poverty. :smalltongue:

[Fyraltari]

Y’all are way too literal-minded.

[LaZodiac]

Y’all are way too literal-minded.

They're joking with you Fyraltari. Accept this.

[Fyraltari]

They're joking with you Fyraltari. Accept this.

I’ll accept it when you pry it from my cold, dead hands!
Wait, that’s not it.

[Anonymouswizard]

Y’all are way too literal-minded.

Yes, that's it. Certainly not the being dense on purpose explanation.

Anybody want to get coffee and cake? I could really go for some.

[Peelee]

Yes, that's it. Certainly not the being dense on purpose explanation.

Anybody want to get coffee and cake? I could really go for some.

I'd go halvsies on that. You get the coffee, I get the cake.

[Mystic Muse]

I'd go halvsies on that. You get the coffee, I get the cake.


Yes, that's it. Certainly not the being dense on purpose explanation.

Anybody want to get coffee and cake? I could really go for some.

*gives you both coffee cake.*

*flees*

[Peelee]

*gives you both coffee cake.*

*flees*

....yeahyoubetterrun.

[SZbNAhL]

Naturally the day I come to random banter to take my mind off my 24-hour vomiting bug is the day you all choose to talk about food.

[Anonymouswizard]

I'd go halvsies on that. You get the coffee, I get the cake.

It has better be really strong coffee.


Naturally the day I come to random banter to take my mind off my 24-hour vomiting bug is the day you all choose to talk about food.

So anyway, onto drinks. Has anybody yet found an energy drink that doesn't taste of arse? I need something for whalen I crave that caffeine hit, but I've found nothing decent.

[Bartmanhomer]

It has better be really strong coffee.



So anyway, onto drinks. Has anybody yet found an energy drink that doesn't taste of arse? I need something for whalen I crave that caffeine hit, but I've found nothing decent.

Have you tried coffee or energy drinks?

[LaZodiac]

*gives you both coffee cake.*

*flees*

Awe, so nice. Coffee cake is great. May I have some, beautiful girlfriend of mine~?


Naturally the day I come to random banter to take my mind off my 24-hour vomiting bug is the day you all choose to talk about food.

Oof. Sorry about that unfortunate timing.

[Anonymouswizard]

Have you tried coffee or energy drinks?

I drink a lot of coffee. Energy drinks taste like arse, as previously mentioned.


Awe, so nice. Coffee cake is great. May I have some, beautiful girlfriend of mine~?

I might have to quit the thread for a couple of weeks if this keeps up, I deal with the 'shoving in people's faces' enough in real life.

[Bartmanhomer]

I drink a lot of coffee. Energy drinks taste like arse, as previously mentioned.



I might have to quit the thread for a couple of weeks if this keeps up, I deal with the 'shoving in people's faces' enough in real life.

I haven't drink energy drinks for more than a year because I was so addicted.

[The Fury]

Naturally the day I come to random banter to take my mind off my 24-hour vomiting bug is the day you all choose to talk about food.

You ever have that moment where you misinterpret something for a split second, then you feel sort of dumb for thinking it?

In this case for a split second, when I read "24-hour vomiting bug" I parsed that as you having an insect that's constantly puking. Like as a pet.

Obviously, you meant some kind of illness that lasted for 24 hours. Ugh... I guess I'm just not all the way awake.



So anyway, onto drinks. Has anybody yet found an energy drink that doesn't taste of arse? I need something for whalen I crave that caffeine hit, but I've found nothing decent.

No... I keep trying new ones, but to me they all taste vile. I did 5 Hour Energy for a while. They don't taste great, but they're small so you don't taste them for long.

[Bartmanhomer]

You ever have that moment where you misinterpret something for a split second, then you feel sort of dumb for thinking it?

In this case for a split second, when I read "24-hour vomiting bug" I parsed that as you having an insect that's constantly puking. Like as a pet.

Obviously, you meant some kind of illness that lasted for 24 hours. Ugh... I guess I'm just not all the way awake.



No... I keep trying new ones, but to me they all taste vile. I did 5 Hour Energy for a while. They don't taste great, but they're small so you don't taste them for long.

I've never drink 5 Hour Energy but I'm not interested to try it.

[Tvtyrant]

You ever have that moment where you misinterpret something for a split second, then you feel sort of dumb for thinking it?

In this case for a split second, when I read "24-hour vomiting bug" I parsed that as you having an insect that's constantly puking. Like as a pet.



I mean if it is a bee that sounds pretty great. "Honey, guess what I got you for Christmass?"

[Bartmanhomer]

I draw like a 5-year-old. I just don't have the capacity to be a good artist. :frown:

[LaZodiac]

I drink a lot of coffee. Energy drinks taste like arse, as previously mentioned.

I might have to quit the thread for a couple of weeks if this keeps up, I deal with the 'shoving in people's faces' enough in real life.

I don't actually like coffee but Coffee Cake and Coffee Crisp chocolate bars are delicious.

My apologies. I only wanted to be obnoxious about it until someone noticed and no one did the first time. I won't, and wasn't planning on, doing that in the future. You don't have to take a break.

My intent was that since we're both fairly often seen forum regulars, it would be funny to bring it up so overtly, I guess. But then basically no one so much as blinked since everyone was focused on bread. So I wanted to do it again. I should have been more considerate.

[DataNinja]

My intent was that since we're both fairly often seen forum regulars, it would be funny to bring it up so overtly, I guess. But then basically no one so much as blinked since everyone was focused on bread. So I wanted to do it again. I should have been more considerate.

People noticed, we just didn't say anything, because (well, like I'm doing right now), that generally leads people to talk about it, and it's not easy to tell if one's being deliberately obnoxious. So generally best to just let it be, and hope that it doesn't happen again when done by a usually decent person. :smalltongue:

[Anonymouswizard]

I draw like a 5-year-old. I just don't have the capacity to be a good artist. :frown:

Practice makes perfect, maybe I'll share one of my terrible drawings to this thread, probably when I make the mistake of trying to write a webcomic.

Actually, better ask my brother for advice on that one.


I don't actually like coffee but Coffee Cake and Coffee Crisp chocolate bars are delicious.

My apologies. I only wanted to be obnoxious about it until someone noticed and no one did the first time. I won't, and wasn't planning on, doing that in the future. You don't have to take a break.

Sorry, I didn't call it out the first time because, well, I didn't want to do that, and everybody's allowed to bring stuff like that up.


Anyway, I feel terrible about it, but I'm going to be skipping my work's Christmas party due to today's news just getting me down, hyperawareness-based difficulties, and not wanting to feel the social rejection I felt at the last work event I could attend. I've apologised to several people about it, and I'm going to try to attend the smaller party just for people who work on my floor, but I can't deal with over a hundred people in a small venue not including me in their conversations.

[LaZodiac]

People noticed, we just didn't say anything, because (well, like I'm doing right now), that generally leads people to talk about it, and it's not easy to tell if one's being deliberately obnoxious. So generally best to just let it be, and hope that it doesn't happen again when done by a usually decent person. :smalltongue:

Aah, tragedy.

I'd blame my being sick but the truth is I'm also probably a big ole attention hog sometimes. I still blame being sick impairing my judgement.

Also I should clarify that my intent was for just for someone to go "oh so you're dating Mystic Muse?" and then I'd go "yeah she's the best" and that'd be it.

*Sends hugs for AnonWizard* sorry I ended up hurting you more instead of helping.

[Bartmanhomer]

Practice makes perfect, maybe I'll share one of my terrible drawings to this thread, probably when I make the mistake of trying to write a webcomic.

Actually, better ask my brother for advice on that one.



Sorry, I didn't call it out the first time because, well, I didn't want to do that, and everybody's allowed to bring stuff like that up.


Anyway, I feel terrible about it, but I'm going to be skipping my work's Christmas party due to today's news just getting me down, hyperawareness-based difficulties, and not wanting to feel the social rejection I felt at the last work event I could attend. I've apologised to several people about it, and I'm going to try to attend the smaller party just for people who work on my floor, but I can't deal with over a hundred people in a small venue not including me in their conversations.

That's true but when I thought of all the drawing that I've made I think what the other people will say about my drawing like "You draw like a baby start drawing more adult-like." I'm not Pablo Picasso not everybody draw the same way as other people do. :frown:

[SZbNAhL]

You ever have that moment where you misinterpret something for a split second, then you feel sort of dumb for thinking it?

In this case for a split second, when I read "24-hour vomiting bug" I parsed that as you having an insect that's constantly puking. Like as a pet.

Obviously, you meant some kind of illness that lasted for 24 hours. Ugh... I guess I'm just not all the way awake.

No, you were right the first time. I use it as a souce of biofuel. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjOWnLlFMvM)

[Peelee]

So we do working lunches at my job, and I really hate it when customers come in and see food and say "oh you got some for me" or stuff like that. Which, I assume, literally everyone on the planet hates except the people who do that. Anyway, I finally found an effective counter to that. Guy came in a minute ago, looked at my food and said "you didn't bring enough for everybody?" I just looked back at said "nobody else paid." That shut him up. I'm going to with money rout every time from now on.

[The Fury]

I mean if it is a bee that sounds pretty great. "Honey, guess what I got you for Christmass?"

Bees huh? Well, girls do like swarms of things.


I draw like a 5-year-old. I just don't have the capacity to be a good artist. :frown:

Not to seem overly dismissive, but being able to draw isn't that great. Not in my case anyway. Remember how I mentioned that I draw a comic that's mostly just for me and the people that I'm closest to? The one that is evidently about people crying now?

Getting into why I'll probably never be ready to share what I do with the wider public would require diving into some pretty complex feelings and personal history. Not something I can sum up in a snappy forum post. So I usually explain by saying that I can't draw because it's simple and most people understand, even though it isn't really true.

On that note, don't get too hung up on your perceived lack of skill. Skill comes with practice and you can work on that. I mean, if you really want to. Just draw constantly. Play drawing games, leave sticky-note doodles, talk with people that you think draw well.


Aah, tragedy.

I'd blame my being sick but the truth is I'm also probably a big ole attention hog sometimes. I still blame being sick impairing my judgement.

Also I should clarify that my intent was for just for someone to go "oh so you're dating Mystic Muse?" and then I'd go "yeah she's the best" and that'd be it.

*Sends hugs for AnonWizard* sorry I ended up hurting you more instead of helping.

As an aside, I'm glad for you and Mystic Muse.


No, you were right the first time. I use it as a souce of biofuel. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjOWnLlFMvM)

...That's a gross pet.

[Bartmanhomer]

Bees huh? Well, girls do like swarms of things.



Not to seem overly dismissive, but being able to draw isn't that great. Not in my case anyway. Remember how I mentioned that I draw a comic that's mostly just for me and the people that I'm closest to? The one that is evidently about people crying now?

Getting into why I'll probably never be ready to share what I do with the wider public would require diving into some pretty complex feelings and personal history. Not something I can sum up in a snappy forum post. So I usually explain by saying that I can't draw because it's simple and most people understand, even though it isn't really true.

On that note, don't get too hung up on your perceived lack of skill. Skill comes with practice and you can work on that. I mean, if you really want to. Just draw constantly. Play drawing games, leave sticky-note doodles, talk with people that you think draw well.



As an aside, I'm glad for you and Mystic Muse.



...That's a gross pet.

Ok. I guess your explanation has cheered me up a bit. :smile:

[Fyraltari]

working lunches

That's a thing!?

[DataNinja]

That's a thing!?

Sure, it's called catering, obviously. :smallwink:

[Peelee]

That's a thing!?

We have a very informal work atmosphere. It cuts both ways; for example, if we have a lot of difficult customers in the morning, we'll usually decide to have the store buy us all lunch.

And it's much better than the minimum work allowances in most states, believe you me.

[Anonymouswizard]

Aah, tragedy.

I'd blame my being sick but the truth is I'm also probably a big ole attention hog sometimes. I still blame being sick impairing my judgement.

Also I should clarify that my intent was for just for someone to go "oh so you're dating Mystic Muse?" and then I'd go "yeah she's the best" and that'd be it.

*Sends hugs for AnonWizard* sorry I ended up hurting you more instead of helping.

I mean, you ran into me, who has enough issues here that I avoid commenting on other people's relationships so I don't start crying about my loneliness at them. I know you didn't mean that, but I have issues.

I mean, it's fine, but I do sometimes have to use this thread as an escape from the world reminding me that nobody is able to love me. Yeah I'm ****ed up, but I'm apparently the least magnetic and most horrible person on the planet when you have to interact with me in person. And considering what's going on in my country I'm feeling like the universe is trying to kick me until I start coughing up blood, so I'm at my most volatile even when I can delay speaking.

[Mystic Muse]

I draw like a 5-year-old. I just don't have the capacity to be a good artist. :frown:

Unless you're being commissioned, the only person whose opinion of your stuff matters is you.

Are you happy with it? Keep drawing, screw the haters (unless the content of your art is inherently harmful)!

Are you not happy with it? Well, then you have to answer the next question yourself.

CAN you be happy with it? Can you get to the point where you love the way it looks?


The answer to that should tell you whether or not to continue.

Sorry for delayed response. Work got stupid busy.

*Gives LaZodiac and anyone else who actually wants it coffee cake.*

[Tvtyrant]

Bees huh? Well, girls do like swarms of things.


Other pets require too much assembly.

[Anonymouswizard]

Unless you're being commissioned, the only person whose opinion of your stuff matters is you.

Are you happy with it? Keep drawing, screw the haters (unless the content of your art is inherently harmful)!

Are you not happy with it? Well, then you have to answer the next question yourself.

CAN you be happy with it? Can you get to the point where you love the way it looks?


The answer to that should tell you whether or not to continue.

Yeah, this. Unless commissioned by somebody else the only opinion that matters is yours.

Therefore my writing is rubbish, although if I'm lucky I'll have a piece for beta reading in a week (either a short story or the opening section of my fantasy romance*).


Anyway, I'm getting to work out if it's worth investing in a PS4 to play all the games over been missing out on, it's certainly cheaper than a gaming PC bit they're still nowhere near as cheap as I'd like even for a basic model.

* I wonder if I can write the love interest out of this portion as well. That'll gI've me three of four parts without any annoying relationships.

[Bartmanhomer]

Unless you're being commissioned, the only person whose opinion of your stuff matters is you.

Are you happy with it? Keep drawing, screw the haters (unless the content of your art is inherently harmful)!

Are you not happy with it? Well, then you have to answer the next question yourself.

CAN you be happy with it? Can you get to the point where you love the way it looks?


The answer to that should tell you whether or not to continue.

Sorry for delayed response. Work got stupid busy.

*Gives LaZodiac and anyone else who actually wants it coffee cake.*
You're right. Forget the haters. I'm going to continue drawing. :smile: Speaking of drawing I'm going to draw my Female Lesser Drow Wizard. :smile:

[LaZodiac]

Yeah, this. Unless commissioned by somebody else the only opinion that matters is yours.

Therefore my writing is rubbish, although if I'm lucky I'll have a piece for beta reading in a week (either a short story or the opening section of my fantasy romance*).


Anyway, I'm getting to work out if it's worth investing in a PS4 to play all the games over been missing out on, it's certainly cheaper than a gaming PC bit they're still nowhere near as cheap as I'd like even for a basic model.

* I wonder if I can write the love interest out of this portion as well. That'll gI've me three of four parts without any annoying relationships.

Good luck AnonWizard!

And remember, with Beta Readers, their opinions are their own. Often they can be good opinions, but sometimes not. So if someone says your writing is good you don't have to accept it if you don't want to. Though I recommend you do, hearing "this is good and could be published, if you worked on it" was one of the things that inspired me to even do what I'm doing.

[Anonymouswizard]

Good luck AnonWizard!

And remember, with Beta Readers, their opinions are their own. Often they can be good opinions, but sometimes not. So if someone says your writing is good you don't have to accept it if you don't want to. Though I recommend you do, hearing "this is good and could be published, if you worked on it" was one of the things that inspired me to even do what I'm doing.

Thanks. I'm just very self-conscious about how pulpy my writing is. I have family members with strong views on what is 'proper literature', and my writing style and genre makes it fall as fat outside of that as possible.

Although those family members would also turn their nose up at Fullmetal Alchemist, due to it being 1) a comic/cartoon, and 2) fantasy. Because apparently those make telling deep stories impossible.

[LaZodiac]

Thanks. I'm just very self-conscious about how pulpy my writing is. I have family members with strong views on what is 'proper literature', and my writing style and genre makes it fall as fat outside of that as possible.

Although those family members would also turn their nose up at Fullmetal Alchemist, due to it being 1) a comic/cartoon, and 2) fantasy. Because apparently those make telling deep stories impossible.

Reminder that Jules Vernes thought it was vital we know the life history of a priest Valjean steals from ever so slightly, but not that Javert gets paid like ****. Proper literature is flying by the seat of it's pants, same as you, and you have the cushion of those before you having gone past.

Also yeah they sound like dullards.

[Anonymouswizard]

Reminder that Jules Vernes thought it was vital we know the life history of a priest Valjean steals from ever so slightly, but not that Javert gets paid like ****. Proper literature is flying by the seat of it's pants, same as you, and you have the cushion of those before you having gone past.

Also yeah they sound like dullards.

Victor Hugo dear, Jules Verne was the moon cannon guy.

But yeah, I hear you. And yes, I never got how some people can watch soap operas all day but turn their noses up at anime or fantasy stories, the average level of storytelling is exactly the same.

Anyway, trying to get my friend to agree to meet up next week, because while I may have trouble reading my own feelings I know my friend needs to be getting out and doing stuff before her medication stops working.

[LaZodiac]

Victor Hugo dear, Jules Verne was the moon cannon guy.

But yeah, I hear you. And yes, I never got how some people can watch soap operas all day but turn their noses up at anime or fantasy stories, the average level of storytelling is exactly the same.

Anyway, trying to get my friend to agree to meet up next week, because while I may have trouble reading my own feelings I know my friend needs to be getting out and doing stuff before her medication stops working.

Look I'm very sick *flops*

People can watch Soap Operas all day because sometimes, sometimes, the soap opera you're watching randomly has the three witches from MacBeth or Hamlet or whatever in it and they're just aunties to this sweet baby and have no connection to any of the plot otherwise because there's no other supernatural **** going on except for Stephano the Phoenix, a rich multi-billionaire that hates your family and refuses to die.

In retrospect watching this **** with my Grandma for years on end explains a lot about me.

Good luck AnonWizard!

[Peelee]

Victor Hugo dear, Jules Verne was the moon cannon guy.

Thank you, I was really confused there for a bit and thought Verne had some mighty strong opinions on Les Misérables.

[Tvtyrant]

Thank you, I was really confused there for a bit and thought Verne had some mighty strong opinions on Les Misérables.

He thought the whole thing was none-cannon.

[Anonymouswizard]

Look I'm very sick *flops*

People can watch Soap Operas all day because sometimes, sometimes, the soap opera you're watching randomly has the three witches from MacBeth or Hamlet or whatever in it and they're just aunties to this sweet baby and have no connection to any of the plot otherwise because there's no other supernatural **** going on except for Stephano the Phoenix, a rich multi-billionaire that hates your family and refuses to die.

In retrospect watching this **** with my Grandma for years on end explains a lot about me.

Good luck AnonWizard!

That's no excuse for getting authors wrong! It not mattering is a far better excuse.

And nah, but there are Northerners in it, which I think are as fantastic as witches are. Honestly that sounds much more entertaining thant he soaps I sometimes have to sit through, but sometimes there's a gay vicar and that's alright (until the offensive 'I feel sorry for all these straight actors who have to do gay kisses'*).

Thanks, I'm still waiting for her to some back online.

* From the same person who a) refuses to admit that Foundation might be a fantastical exploration of the lifecycle of states and the realities of mob psychology and b) thinks me being genderfluid is just a phase.

[LaZodiac]

That's no excuse for getting authors wrong! It not mattering is a far better excuse.

And nah, but there are Northerners in it, which I think are as fantastic as witches are. Honestly that sounds much more entertaining thant he soaps I sometimes have to sit through, but sometimes there's a gay vicar and that's alright (until the offensive 'I feel sorry for all these straight actors who have to do gay kisses'*).

Thanks, I'm still waiting for her to some back online.

* From the same person who a) refuses to admit that Foundation might be a fantastical exploration of the lifecycle of states and the realities of mob psychology and b) thinks me being genderfluid is just a phase.

Days of our Lives went off the ****ing chain at times. It takes place in Salem and there are witches and they're just kinda there. It's great.

[Anonymouswizard]

Days of our Lives went off the ****ing chain at times. It takes place in Salem and there are witches and they're just kinda there. It's great.

Maybe I'll look it up, I need a new crazy show.

Anyway, a game I've been wanting to play since it came out is on sale for £15, let's see if my PC is even able to start it up (I expect it to run terribly, but in many ways I'd rather have it ready for when I upgreade my PC than otherwise). I'll probably disappear as soon as it finishes installing, and see if I can get it to run even at a bad framerate.

[LaZodiac]

Maybe I'll look it up, I need a new crazy show.

Anyway, a game I've been wanting to play since it came out is on sale for £15, let's see if my PC is even able to start it up (I expect it to run terribly, but in many ways I'd rather have it ready for when I upgreade my PC than otherwise). I'll probably disappear as soon as it finishes installing, and see if I can get it to run even at a bad framerate.

I mean do keep in mind it's a Soap Opera. Sure there are episodes where the main love interests motorcycles through a stain glass window but other days it's just relationship drama without end. It's why Wrestling is to boys what Soap Operas are to girls, in my opinion.

What game?

[Anonymouswizard]

I mean do keep in mind it's a Soap Opera. Sure there are episodes where the main love interests motorcycles through a stain glass window but other days it's just relationship drama without end. It's why Wrestling is to boys what Soap Operas are to girls, in my opinion.

What game?

I mean, I suspect that if I wasn't in a black hole of singleness I'd adore the relationship drama of soap operas, but as it is right now they just make me feel like a failure.

I also never understood the appeal of Wrestling, if I want to watch two muscled men rolling around on the floor I know exactly which websites I have to pretend not to be looking at. (Okay, I kind of get it from a performance perspective, but if I wanted athletic performance I'd watch a combat sport and if I want acting I'll watch a show or catch a play, so I only half see the appeal.)

And it's a game from my all time favourite series, one where I'm still shocked when people into games claim to have never played it, where one character's battle theme managed to top the UK rock charts, a game where beating your enemies is almost as important as looking good while doing it. And one that should totally have made Lady and Trish playable characters, even if only as post-game extras. Yeah, Devil May Cry 5. Steam thinks it'll take almost five hours to finish downloading, but **** it I'm going to stay up until then.

[LaZodiac]

I mean, I suspect that if I wasn't in a black hole of singleness I'd adore the relationship drama of soap operas, but as it is right now they just make me feel like a failure.

I also never understood the appeal of Wrestling, if I want to watch two muscled men rolling around on the floor I know exactly which websites I have to pretend not to be looking at. (Okay, I kind of get it from a performance perspective, but if I wanted athletic performance I'd watch a combat sport and if I want acting I'll watch a show or catch a play, so I only half see the appeal.)

And it's a game from my all time favourite series, one where I'm still shocked when people into games claim to have never played it, where one character's battle theme managed to top the UK rock charts, a game where beating your enemies is almost as important as looking good while doing it. And one that should totally have made Lady and Trish playable characters, even if only as post-game extras. Yeah, Devil May Cry 5. Steam thinks it'll take almost five hours to finish downloading, but **** it I'm going to stay up until then.

Wrestling is for the relationship drama and also watching a man get thrown through a table. It's great! Mostly.

Aah, Devil May Cry 5. I should play more of that I did like the tutorial and first level and loved every single second of it and then got distracted by my myriad distractions.

[Mystic Muse]

I'm going to quote one of my favorite fan parodies to sum up my work day.

I can't die, I'm too busy.

[halfeye]

strong views on what is 'proper literature',

Proper literature is unreadable junk IMO.

[Mystic Muse]

Finally sitting down to have a lunch.

I knew it was going to be one of 'those' days when a guy showed up at the door an hour early, ignored me when I told him we don't open for an hour, and tried opening the door anyway.

[LaZodiac]

Finally sitting down to have a lunch.

I knew it was going to be one of 'those' days when a guy showed up at the door an hour early, ignored me when I told him we don't open for an hour, and tried opening the door anyway.

Oh goodness... hope things go better for you from here on out, at least *sends hugs*

[Bartmanhomer]

It's very sad that the world is very closed-minded and negative. :frown: If only the world was open-minded and positive it will be a much better place. :smile:

[Sermil]

No one heard you in the last random banter thread because text is not an auditory medium.

:tongue:

Statistically speaking, there are probably several people on this forum who use screen readers, due to visual impairment, severe dyslexia, or whatever. So at least one person might have heard Bartmanhomer.

SOURCE: Spent lots of time improving our accessibility level this quarter. On the plus side, I know way more about ARIA roles and attributes than I did 3 months ago.

[Fyraltari]

Reminder that Jules Vernes thought it was vital we know the life history of a priest Valjean steals from ever so slightly, but not that Javert gets paid like ****.
The backstory of Monseigneur Bienvenue was more relevant in the time period the book was published, though.



Thank you, I was really confused there for a bit and thought Verne had some mighty strong opinions on Les Misérables.
I mean he probably did, you can’t be a French writer and escape the shadow of Hugo.

[Mystic Muse]

Statistically speaking, there are probably several people on this forum who use screen readers, due to visual impairment, severe dyslexia, or whatever. So at least one person might have heard Bartmanhomer.

Was waiting for somebody to point this out.

I stand by my terrible joke.

I am probably going to collapse in bed when I get home.

At least friend will be here in an hour, even if they might be drunk.

[Anonymouswizard]

Wrestling is for the relationship drama and also watching a man get thrown through a table. It's great! Mostly.

Aah, Devil May Cry 5. I should play more of that I did like the tutorial and first level and loved every single second of it and then got distracted by my myriad distractions.

Like, I still don't get the appeal, if I want relationship drama I can generally get better written stuff by asking my friend [redacted] how it's going with the latest boyfriend :smallwink: In all seriousness, everything I've seen of wrestling just hasn't convinced me it's well written enough to be worth watching for the relationship drama when I can just put Coronation Street on, or for the action when I can just watch a martial arts movie (which might not have people being thrown through a table, but probably looks much nicer).

And yeah, as I said I'm hoping to be able to get it to run on my laptop, but then again one of the post-Christmas things I'm going to be doing anyway is ripping bits out and modding in as high end components as I can afford, so even if I can't run it now it'll be worth having in my library for when this machine can run it.


It's very sad that the world is very closed-minded and negative. :frown: If only the world was open-minded and positive it will be a much better place. :smile:

Unfortunately that's a big ask. And I really can't get into this sort of discussion, because after what's just happened I have some very choice, not very nice, and not very here-appropriate words to say on the subject of how the world is.

[LaZodiac]

The backstory of Monseigneur Bienvenue was more relevant in the time period the book was published, though.



I mean he probably did, you can’t be a French writer and escape the shadow of Hugo.

This is true but I don't think it's actually true, if that makes sense? It's a factually true thing that he definitely thought this was the case, but was it really? I don't think so, and I've read the unabridged version of Les Mis.

I'd love to hear stuff like that, honestly.


Was waiting for somebody to point this out.

I stand by my terrible joke.

I am probably going to collapse in bed when I get home.

At least friend will be here in an hour, even if they might be drunk.

*Slides pillow across country so you'll fall on it and be extra comfy*

[Bartmanhomer]

Like, I still don't get the appeal, if I want relationship drama I can generally get better written stuff by asking my friend [redacted] how it's going with the latest boyfriend :smallwink: In all seriousness, everything I've seen of wrestling just hasn't convinced me it's well written enough to be worth watching for the relationship drama when I can just put Coronation Street on, or for the action when I can just watch a martial arts movie (which might not have people being thrown through a table, but probably looks much nicer).

And yeah, as I said I'm hoping to be able to get it to run on my laptop, but then again one of the post-Christmas things I'm going to be doing anyway is ripping bits out and modding in as high end components as I can afford, so even if I can't run it now it'll be worth having in my library for when this machine can run it.



Unfortunately that's a big ask. And I really can't get into this sort of discussion, because after what's just happened I have some very choice, not very nice, and not very here-appropriate words to say on the subject of how the world is.
Yes I know. Forum rules. :frown: Anyway I'm thinking of creating a new D&D 3.5 character. I think I've made 200+ character sheets. Most of the sheets are unfinished. :biggrin:

[DataNinja]

Was waiting for somebody to point this out.

I stand by my terrible joke.

I feel like this describes at least a quarter of the posts in these threads. Don't worry, you're not alone. :smalltongue:

[Peelee]

Unfortunately that's a big ask. And I really can't get into this sort of discussion, because after what's just happened I have some very choice, not very nice, and not very here-appropriate words to say on the subject of how the world is.

I'm throwing moral support your way, if nothing else. All I can really do, I'm afraid.

I feel like this describes at least a quarter of the posts in these threads. Don't worry, you're not alone. :smalltongue:

The other three quarters being my amazing jokes, I assume?:smallbiggrin:

[Bartmanhomer]

Today is Friday The 13th. The Blood Wars between the devils and demons are coming into this planet only on Friday The 13th. :biggrin:

[Fyraltari]

This is true but I don't think it's actually true, if that makes sense? It's a factually true thing that he definitely thought this was the case, but was it really? I don't think so, and I've read the unabridged version of Les Mis.

I'd love to hear stuff like that, honestly.

Is what true?

[Insane Jeenyus]

***words***
*Gives LaZodiac and anyone else who actually wants it coffee cake.*

yumm cinnoman coffee cake, and I have some hot coffee right here .. .. ..

[LaZodiac]

Is what true?

It is true that the backstory of the random priest was more necessary information than Javert's terrible paycheck back when the book was written. Or at least, it seems as such since that's how Hugo wrote it, showing that he felt as such. Is it truly true that this was true, however?

[Fyraltari]

It is true that the backstory of the random priest was more necessary information than Javert's terrible paycheck back when the book was written. Or at least, it seems as such since that's how Hugo wrote it, showing that he felt as such. Is it truly true that this was true, however?

Necessary to the story, no. But let's just say that writing a monarchist priest as a positive figure in 1862 is sending a particular message.

Edit: I'm not sure why you focus on Javert's wages, though. He certainly doesn't care himself.

[LaZodiac]

Necessary to the story, no. But let's just say that writing a monarchist priest as a positive figure in 1862 is sending a particular message.

Edit: I'm not sure why you focus on Javert's wages, though. He certainly doesn't care himself.

I'm focusing on Javert's wage because it's the only example I can think of that is relevant but not talked about. Javert being paid peanuts but persuing this man with reckless abandon, constantly, is a sign that he does really take his job seriously. He's not in it for the money. He wants Justice, or at least his understanding of it.

And admitidly it's been an actual decade since I've read Les Mis so I don't remember the details otherwise. I know the priest never shows up again and it's mostly a case of "here is the history of the man Val Jean will steal a candlestick from, which will haunt him the rest of his days".

[SZbNAhL]

Statistically speaking, there are probably several people on this forum who use screen readers, due to visual impairment, severe dyslexia, or whatever. So at least one person might have heard Bartmanhomer.

Technically, they'd be hearing a computerised voice reading the text Bartmanhomer wrote. Unless Bartmanhomer recorded the voice samples for the screenreader software, I guess.

[Fyraltari]

I'm focusing on Javert's wage because it's the only example I can think of that is relevant but not talked about. Javert being paid peanuts but persuing this man with reckless abandon, constantly, is a sign that he does really take his job seriously. He's not in it for the money. He wants Justice, or at least his understanding of it.

And admitidly it's been an actual decade since I've read Les Mis so I don't remember the details otherwise. I know the priest never shows up again and it's mostly a case of "here is the history of the man Val Jean will steal a candlestick from, which will haunt him the rest of his days".
I mean, there's an entire chapter dedicated to Paris's sewer system and another one on slang and both are really interesting. Javert's single-minded dedication to his job is shown in many ways but even Hugo can't show every way (not to mention the very real possibility that has a high ranking policeman he's probably not paid peanuts and certainly isn't compared to many characters of the novel).

Then again it's also been a long time since I've read the novel so I can't really make a case here.

[The Fury]

Thanks. I'm just very self-conscious about how pulpy my writing is. I have family members with strong views on what is 'proper literature', and my writing style and genre makes it fall as fat outside of that as possible.

...Yeah, not every work of writing can or should be "proper literature." It has its place, but pulpy writing does too. So, in my view anyway, there's nothing inherently wrong with pulpy writing. Pulpy writing can be fun to read.


Although those family members would also turn their nose up at Fullmetal Alchemist, due to it being 1) a comic/cartoon, and 2) fantasy. Because apparently those make telling deep stories impossible.

Hey now, fantasy is awesome. Cartoons are awesome. Do these family members just not like fun stories?

[Tvtyrant]

The fall of beard.

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[Insane Jeenyus]

The fall of beard.

ya know, if your face was just a bit more narrow, you could pass as a brother to Matt Damon.

[Anonymouswizard]

...Yeah, not every work of writing can or should be "proper literature." It has its place, but pulpy writing does too. So, in my view anyway, there's nothing inherently wrong with pulpy writing. Pulpy writing can be fun to read.

I mean, it's not like it's not fun to read, but it can be hard to listen when for the last eight years you've been continually told that you should like the stodgy impossible to read wirting by Hardy and the Brontes, but not the stuff that's actually fun to read. I still think that stodgy writing can stay over there unless it has an interesting idea to convey, like in Frankenstein or Victor Hugo's Overly Long Tale of Why We Shouldn't Treat Released Prisoners Like Dirt.


Hey now, fantasy is awesome. Cartoons are awesome. Do these family members just not like fun stories?

You won't believe the number of people I've met who believe that if something isn't set in the 'real world' (I hate that term, it's not the real world even if it's modelled after present day planet earth with all the same place names) then it can't be talking about anything meaningful. No explorations of slavery or human obselence in Asimov's wotk, please ignore the very relevant themes in Caves of Steel it's not 'real literature'.

Actually, I'd probably make every year seven class read Caves of Steel if I could, it's a very good introduction to complex themes and the realmain objective for the main character, not being replaced by a machine that might do his job better, is incredibly relevant.


Anyway, it turns out that my younger brother has a spare PC he's willing to sell me (he did ComSci so he upgrades a lot, I did ElecEng so I'm not overly used to building machines, it's also much cheaper this way), so it'll only be a little while before I'm playing DMC5 as god intended.

[SZbNAhL]

You won't believe the number of people I've met who believe that if something isn't set in the 'real world' (I hate that term, it's not the real world even if it's modelled after present day planet earth with all the same place names) then it can't be talking about anything meaningful. No explorations of slavery or human obselence in Asimov's wotk, please ignore the very relevant themes in Caves of Steel it's not 'real literature'.

That really annoys me too. I guess Shakespeare's a talentless hack, since almost all his most famous plays had fantastical elements (a ghost in Hamlet, witches in Macbeth, a wizard in The Tempest)? Swift too, since Gulliver's Travels has so many fantastical elements, and Dickens, what with his love of ghosts. What "great literature" do they read? Kafka? Metamorphosis. Hugo? Angels. Conan Doyle? Also wrote an entire sci-fi series (Professor Challenger is very underrated).

[Peelee]

I guess Shakespeare's a talentless hack, since almost all his most famous plays had fantastical elements

Well, yes, but not for those reasons.

Romeo and Juliet suuuuuuuuucks.

[The Fury]

I mean, it's not like it's not fun to read, but it can be hard to listen when for the last eight years you've been continually told that you should like the stodgy impossible to read wirting by Hardy and the Brontes, but not the stuff that's actually fun to read. I still think that stodgy writing can stay over there unless it has an interesting idea to convey, like in Frankenstein or Victor Hugo's Overly Long Tale of Why We Shouldn't Treat Released Prisoners Like Dirt.

I never liked that view of literature. I also believe that if you're not enjoying a book, you're allowed to stop reading it.


That really annoys me too. I guess Shakespeare's a talentless hack, since almost all his most famous plays had fantastical elements (a ghost in Hamlet, witches in Macbeth, a wizard in The Tempest)? Swift too, since Gulliver's Travels has so many fantastical elements, and Dickens, what with his love of ghosts. What "great literature" do they read? Kafka? Metamorphosis. Hugo? Angels. Conan Doyle? Also wrote an entire sci-fi series (Professor Challenger is very underrated).

Oh yeah. Don't forget that "classic literature" can also be pretty low-brow. Both Journey to the West and Canterbury Tales had their share of potty humor.


Well, yes, but not for those reasons.

Romeo and Juliet suuuuuuuuucks.

I'll agree that's one of his weaker ones. I didn't really appreciate Shakespeare until I read stuff that was not Romeo and Juliet.

Even though I still don't like it, something I was told that makes me appreciate Romeo and Juliet a little more is this: The tragedy is not that Romeo and Juliet died, it's that they didn't realize that their love was not worth dying for. I'll admit that read is kind of neat.

[Tvtyrant]

ya know, if your face was just a bit more narrow, you could pass as a brother to Matt Damon.

Irish-Americans. I look like an almost perfect mix of my grandpa and Dad.

Also the last time I was beardless I kept getting compared to Peter Griffon so Matt Damon is an improvement. I got compared to Connor McGregor a few months ago, which I think just means I'm Irish.

[DataNinja]

No explorations of slavery or human obselence in Asimov's wotk, please ignore the very relevant themes in Caves of Steel it's not 'real literature'.

Actually, I'd probably make every year seven class read Caves of Steel if I could, it's a very good introduction to complex themes and the realmain objective for the main character, not being replaced by a machine that might do his job better, is incredibly relevant.

I don't know why you'd do that. Absolutely no machine takeovers are planned, and you certainly shouldn't be prepared for that eventuality, hahaha what are you talking about, you'll be fiiiine. :smalltongue:

[Anonymouswizard]

That really annoys me too. I guess Shakespeare's a talentless hack, since almost all his most famous plays had fantastical elements (a ghost in Hamlet, witches in Macbeth, a wizard in The Tempest)? Swift too, since Gulliver's Travels has so many fantastical elements, and Dickens, what with his love of ghosts. What "great literature" do they read? Kafka? Metamorphosis. Hugo? Angels. Conan Doyle? Also wrote an entire sci-fi series (Professor Challenger is very underrated).

Shakespeare is weird. He wasn't good at plots, cribbed them from other sources, but very good with language.

Also there's the eventual 'ah but back in those days people actually believed...'


I never liked that view of literature. I also believe that if you're not enjoying a book, you're allowed to stop reading it.

I'm fully in agreement here, remember that my favourite author wrote pulp.


Oh yeah. Don't forget that "classic literature" can also be pretty low-brow. Both Journey to the West and Canterbury Tales had their share of potty humor.

I'm fairly certain that 30% of Shakespeare is sex jokes.


I don't know why you'd do that. Absolutely no machine takeovers are planned, and you certainly shouldn't be prepared for that eventuality, hahaha what are you talking about, you'll be fiiiine. :smalltongue:

Nope, definitely no robots replacing us. Such a shame, I could do with my job being automated right about now.

[DataNinja]

Shakespeare is weird. He wasn't good at plots, cribbed them from other sources, but very good with language.

Also there's the eventual 'ah but back in those days people actually believed...'

To be fair, if you don't have the entire world of books and movies at your fingertips, clichéd stories probably don't seem quite so cliché. And it doesn't really matter if they're stolen from elsewhere, because it means you get to see them. 'New and fresh' probably matters a lot more now because we have access to a lot of good stuff in existing categories. Rather than just writing old stuff in exciting ways.

[Sermil]

That really annoys me too. I guess Shakespeare's a talentless hack, since almost all his most famous plays had fantastical elements (a ghost in Hamlet, witches in Macbeth, a wizard in The Tempest)? Swift too, since Gulliver's Travels has so many fantastical elements, and Dickens, what with his love of ghosts. What "great literature" do they read? Kafka? Metamorphosis. Hugo? Angels. Conan Doyle? Also wrote an entire sci-fi series (Professor Challenger is very underrated).

Ya, people have an annoying tendency to say "Genre fiction isn't true literature. [Some book] is literature, therefore, it's not genre fiction (despite all the obvious elements of the genre), therefore I'm can still disdain all genre fiction."

Frankenstein and 1984 are another two I see that applied to. Both are clearly science fiction, and both are hugely important works that inform the way we understand human's relationship to technology and government, yet somehow the sci-fi haters never bring them up when dismissing science fiction as unserious.

[Comrade]

I never liked that view of literature. I also believe that if you're not enjoying a book, you're allowed to stop reading it.

I know folks who are, like, pathologically incapable of giving up on a book once they've started reading it, even if they despise every word of it. And if it's a series and they've started in on the first book, that's it, they're locked in for the rest, too. A kind of completionism I guess.

I don't know why you'd do that to yourself. Ain't enough time in the day to waste it reading books you don't like. If I'm 40 pages into a book and it hasn't grabbed me or is actively annoying me I'm not about to keep trucking along.

[factotum]

Ya, people have an annoying tendency to say "Genre fiction isn't true literature. [Some book] is literature, therefore, it's not genre fiction (despite all the obvious elements of the genre), therefore I'm can still disdain all genre fiction."

There are even authors who do that--by most people's criteria a lot of Margaret Atwood's output is SF, for instance, but she insists it's totally not!

[Anonymouswizard]

There are even authors who do that--by most people's criteria a lot of Margaret Atwood's output is SF, for instance, but she insists it's totally not!

I thought she'd softened on that?

[The Fury]

Shakespeare is weird. He wasn't good at plots, cribbed them from other sources, but very good with language.

That's a fair assessment. Though I'm also of the opinion that a story's presentation and feel is more important than its basic premise. I'll admit that a creative premise can be enough to generate some initial interest though.

Or put another way-- An interesting premise is why you'd read a story, interesting presentation is why you'd reread a story.


I know folks who are, like, pathologically incapable of giving up on a book once they've started reading it, even if they despise every word of it. And if it's a series and they've started in on the first book, that's it, they're locked in for the rest, too. A kind of completionism I guess.

I don't know why you'd do that to yourself. Ain't enough time in the day to waste it reading books you don't like. If I'm 40 pages into a book and it hasn't grabbed me or is actively annoying me I'm not about to keep trucking along.

I... am kind of like that. Which probably sounds weird after what I mentioned eariler. If I start a book, I like to finish it, whether I'm enjoying it or not. I guess I finish books for one of two reasons, either I actually like it, or out of spite.

Though I won't start in on the next books of in series if I didn't like the first one. I mean, I do hate myself but not that much.

[Anonymouswizard]

That's a fair assessment. Though I'm also of the opinion that a story's presentation and feel is more important than its basic premise. I'll admit that a creative premise can be enough to generate some initial interest though.

Or put another way-- An interesting premise is why you'd read a story, interesting presentation is why you'd reread a story.

Sure, Shakespeare gettinghis plots from other places isn't a bad thing, in fact some modern writers could do with using the same technique, or in the case of Stephen King handing out his plots to people actually able to write. Heck, the same applies to characters, a basic character well presented usually works a lot better than a unique character poorly presented.

I mean, I'd argue that more than premise or presentation, interesting themes are the reason to reread. Because themes and your understanding of them can develop, and your second reading can be very different from your first. When I look back on a story I don't think about it's presentation, I think of the thoughts I had while reading it, thevconclusions I've drawn from it, and the ways these fit in with conclusions I've drawn from other media.

[The Fury]

Sure, Shakespeare gettinghis plots from other places isn't a bad thing, in fact some modern writers could do with using the same technique, or in the case of Stephen King handing out his plots to people actually able to write. Heck, the same applies to characters, a basic character well presented usually works a lot better than a unique character poorly presented.

I mean, I'd argue that more than premise or presentation, interesting themes are the reason to reread. Because themes and your understanding of them can develop, and your second reading can be very different from your first. When I look back on a story I don't think about it's presentation, I think of the thoughts I had while reading it, thevconclusions I've drawn from it, and the ways these fit in with conclusions I've drawn from other media.

I don't know that I completely agree, but I will say that the most interesting conversations around media usually have to do with theme.

[Anonymouswizard]

*sigh* why do all the job people have to call on data when I'm at work?

And I might have to find a £10 gift to bring to the pau on Saturday, I need to check with the organiser.

[LaZodiac]

So every so often I see people online talking about their daemons and the daemons of others and how such and such author writes it, and the internet being what it is they never actually say who the author is and provide literally zero context and, this bugs me. It's like posting a gif from a show and not saying what the show is. It's heinous and bad.

Point is I finally found a post explaining it was from His Dark Materials and I decided "you know I hear that name a lot let's check what it actually is" and it turns out it's the Golden Compass books and now everything makes a bit more sense in my life.

I mean for the most part it's still about a monkey wanting someone to be merciful but like whatever. I don't question these things I just want to understand them.

[Anonymouswizard]

So every so often I see people online talking about their daemons and the daemons of others and how such and such author writes it, and the internet being what it is they never actually say who the author is and provide literally zero context and, this bugs me. It's like posting a gif from a show and not saying what the show is. It's heinous and bad.

Point is I finally found a post explaining it was from His Dark Materials and I decided "you know I hear that name a lot let's check what it actually is" and it turns out it's the Golden Compass books and now everything makes a bit more sense in my life.

I mean for the most part it's still about a monkey wanting someone to be merciful but like whatever. I don't question these things I just want to understand them.

Northern Lights! The first book is called Northern Lights!

I mean maybe I should check out the new series that people claim is good, bit the first book is still called Northern Lights. It's yet another instance of Sorcerer's Stoning.

Anyway, I have now decided that Zodi's Daemon is obviously a Stig. Mine's probably more of a rabbit.

[LaZodiac]

Okay so I'm going to ask this question and if the answer just devolves into car jokes that's on all of you, but;

What's a Stig?

[Anonymouswizard]

Some say that he's an example of whitewashing in the television industry, and that he once survived a meeting in the depths of the BBC. All we know is, he's called The Stig.

[Mystic Muse]

Okay so I'm going to ask this question and if the answer just devolves into car jokes that's on all of you, but;

What's a Stig?

"The Stig is a character on the British motoring television show Top Gear. The character is a play on the anonymity of racing drivers' full-face helmets, with the running joke that nobody knows who or what is inside the Stig's racing suit. The Stig's primary role is setting lap times for cars tested on the show."

[LaZodiac]

Some say that he's an example of whitewashing in the television industry, and that he once survived a meeting in the depths of the BBC. All we know is, he's called The Stig.

Aha, so it's exactly the thing I thought it was, okay.

Would that mean that it's basically a Stand, then?


"The Stig is a character on the British motoring television show Top Gear. The character is a play on the anonymity of racing drivers' full-face helmets, with the running joke that nobody knows who or what is inside the Stig's racing suit. The Stig's primary role is setting lap times for cars tested on the show."

I know sweetie I just wanted to make sure it was the Stig I was thinking of. Thank you for thinking of me~

[Peelee]

It's like posting a gif from a show and not saying what the show is. It's heinous and bad.

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[DataNinja]

So every so often I see people online talking about their daemons and the daemons of others and how such and such author writes it, and the internet being what it is they never actually say who the author is and provide literally zero context and, this bugs me. It's like posting a gif from a show and not saying what the show is. It's heinous and bad.

Yeah, that is always a frustrating thing. Hence why if I reference something not in just a group of friends (or in a conversation where context is already given), I'll make sure to specify what it's from. Just common courtesy. (Parentheses are great!) :smalltongue:

[Fyraltari]

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[Anonymouswizard]

Aha, so it's exactly the thing I thought it was, okay.

Would that mean that it's basically a Stand, then?

Huh, I'd have to look up the rules for daemons, been a while since I've read the books. At a guess I'd have to say no, the name isn't musical enough and he wouldn't have a silly power.

Actually, I'm now wondering how daemon gender actually works, because it's been established that daemons are normally the opposite sex to themselves (I need more pronouns), but how does it work for noncis people? Mainly trans people, would you get a daemon of your birth sex or your actual gender?

[DataNinja]

Huh, I'd have to look up the rules for daemons, been a while since I've read the books. At a guess I'd have to say no, the name isn't musical enough and he wouldn't have a silly power.

Actually, I'm now wondering how daemon gender actually works, because it's been established that daemons are normally the opposite sex to themselves (I need more pronouns), but how does it work for noncis people? Mainly trans people, would you get a daemon of your birth sex or your actual gender?

From what I gathered, especially given the sexuality themes from later on, it's likely that Daemons are based on mental things, rather than physical. So, you'd probably get something that was the opposite to your actual gender. And, no, I don't know how things would work for genderfluid people or whatnot. I feel like Pullman didn't put that much thought into it. :smalltongue:

[LaZodiac]

Huh, I'd have to look up the rules for daemons, been a while since I've read the books. At a guess I'd have to say no, the name isn't musical enough and he wouldn't have a silly power.

Actually, I'm now wondering how daemon gender actually works, because it's been established that daemons are normally the opposite sex to themselves (I need more pronouns), but how does it work for noncis people? Mainly trans people, would you get a daemon of your birth sex or your actual gender?

Fair point. I know nothing about this series.

Like what DataNinja said, though I'd posit in the case of genderfluid people it would be something decidedly gendered to contrast?

[Peelee]

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kwoo on muh apple lay four bee!
French sounds terrible when said like that. Good call on saying it the way you do.

[Anonymouswizard]

From what I gathered, especially given the sexuality themes from later on, it's likely that Daemons are based on mental things, rather than physical. So, you'd probably get something that was the opposite to your actual gender. And, no, I don't know how things would work for genderfluid people or whatnot. I feel like Pullman didn't put that much thought into it. :smalltongue:


Fair point. I know nothing about this series.

Like what DataNinja said, though I'd posit in the case of genderfluid people it would be something decidedly gendered to contrast?

I mean, yeah, probably, I also believe these books were written before people really thought about this stuff. Like, I know people who refuse to believe that transgender people existed before the nineties because 'we didn't have the technology' (there are few times that I want to punch people).

Also yeah, the sexuality stuff. As I said to a friend just now when she confessed to having never read the books, they get weird. But hey, at least it's not the theme of [redacted], and we can talk about it if we're careful.

Also, Zodi, the books are worth reading despite being a response to Narnia and the weirdness. Like, I think they're supposed to be 14, it's been literal years since I read them, and while people that age are the thing it's still weird. Like, I don't mind that thing in my novels, especially if like HDM they don't completely dominate the book, but I don't expect it in my kids books.

Although a friend is recommending that I read books more dedicated towards that thing, despite my issues with it.

[Bartmanhomer]

I got the challenge rating of 10 if anyone ever faces me. :biggrin:

[DataNinja]

Also, Zodi, the books are worth reading despite being a response to Narnia and the weirdness.

Yeah, the last book in particular does get... very weird from what I remember of it. But it was still a decently good read. Not the best thing in the world, but something that I'd recommend to people wanting an opinion on it.

[LaZodiac]

I'll give it a look next time I'm free, I think. Should be interesting a read. I want to make a compare-contrast to Big Lion Man and Big Polar Bear.

[Anonymouswizard]

Yeah, the last book in particular does get... very weird from what I remember of it. But it was still a decently good read. Not the best thing in the world, but something that I'd recommend to people wanting an opinion on it.

I mean, I've read weirder, but that's Illuminatus for you (fun fact, the guy who adapted it for the stage is something like my cousin twice removed*). It's totally worth reading, but it's one of those where I warn people before handing it to them.

* Somewhere in the house there's a copy of the Bald Trilogy, and I went to the memorial performance in London to help give my Granny a report.

[DataNinja]

I'll give it a look next time I'm free, I think. Should be interesting a read. I want to make a compare-contrast to Big Lion Man and Big Polar Bear.

Just note that they have nowhere near the same roles in their respective books. So... there'll probably be a lot of stretching to do. :smalltongue:

[Anonymouswizard]

Just note that they have nowhere near the same roles in their respective books. So... there'll probably be a lot of stretching to do. :smalltongue:

True, Battle Bear is surprisingly important to the plot. I believe the counterpart to Magic Lion only really appears at the end to explain some stuff and make the ending less happy.

[LaZodiac]

True, Battle Bear is surprisingly important to the plot. I believe the counterpart to Magic Lion only really appears at the end to explain some stuff and make the ending less happy.

I mean... Aslan is literally the centerpiece of the series, is in it a bunch, and is incredibly vital to the story. He's literally THE story. The first story is called him, wife goals, and the magic cupboard.

[Mystic Muse]

I mean... Aslan is literally the centerpiece of the series, is in it a bunch, and is incredibly vital to the story. He's literally THE story. The first story is called him, wife goals, and the magic cupboard.

Man, if anyone's goals for a wife are freaking Jadis, they need professional help.

That'd be like having Ragyo Kiryuin as a wife goal.

[Anonymouswizard]

I mean... Aslan is literally the centerpiece of the series, is in it a bunch, and is incredibly vital to the story. He's literally THE story. The first story is called him, wife goals, and the magic cupboard.

I was more referring to how past the first book he's pretty hands off and doesn't really affect the plot much beyond being the call to adventure once and transporting people between worlds until the last book. Bear-whose-name-I-forget appears less bit has more direct impact on the plot.


Man, if anyone's goals for a wife are freaking Jadis, they need professional help.

I agree, Mr Tumnus is a far better spouse candidate.

[LaZodiac]

Man, if anyone's goals for a wife are freaking Jadis, they need professional help.

That'd be like having Ragyo Kiryuin as a wife goal.

Admittedly I was talking about her style and not personality. I haven't seen the film in a decade and have not read the book so I don't actually know how she comes across as a character anymore, I just remember a young baby Zodi liking the imperious ice queen aesthetic.

[Mystic Muse]

Admittedly I was talking about her style and not personality. I haven't seen the film in a decade and have not read the book so I don't actually know how she comes across as a character anymore, I just remember a young baby Zodi liking the imperious ice queen aesthetic.

She abuses and imprisons a child, and is basically the setting's devil equivalent.

In the books she's basically repeatedly established to not have a single redeeming trait whatsoever.

[DataNinja]

Admittedly I was talking about her style and not personality. I haven't seen the film in a decade and have not read the book so I don't actually know how she comes across as a character anymore, I just remember a young baby Zodi liking the imperious ice queen aesthetic.

That's fair. The movie also definitely doesn't cover the bit how in the prequel book
She kinda destroys her entire original world out of spite so that nobody else could have it. Kills everyone else. Reduces it to a charred husk.

[LaZodiac]

She abuses and imprisons a child, and is basically the setting's devil equivalent.

In the books she's basically repeatedly established to not have a single redeeming trait whatsoever.

Yeaah, sorry about that. I kinda forgot she's literally a satan. The ice queen aesthetic is just really cool, and I only have so much power.

[Anonymouswizard]

That's fair. The movie also definitely doesn't cover the bit how in the prequel book
She kinda destroys her entire original world out of spite so that nobody else could have it. Kills everyone else. Reduces it to a charred husk.

Ah yes, the 'ship not fry atomic weapons at home kids' bit.


Anyway, I want opinions. I'm considering explaining to my friend that yes while my feelings for her are mainly platonic, I do have some more romantic feelings WRT her and I need her to slap me in the face if I ever start trying to act on them. Is this a good idea, or is it one of those things you're not supposed to be honest about?

[Mystic Muse]

Yeaah, sorry about that. I kinda forgot she's literally a satan. The ice queen aesthetic is just really cool, and I only have so much power.

I mean, to be fair, Tilda Swinton is really good at what she does. I also quite liked her as Gabriel in Constantine, and The Master in Doctor Strange.

[LaZodiac]

Sorry if this was a weird train of thought to ride by the by, I've been feeling kinda high-strung today and I just needed to ramble/make jokes until my head emptied.

This tends to happen when one of the lawyer's are up in town, which one is, and I can't really exercise my brain the way I normally do to stay normal during work hours.

[Durkoala]

Sniff Snuff Snarnia, I smell Narnia!


Huh, I'd have to look up the rules for daemons, been a while since I've read the books. At a guess I'd have to say no, the name isn't musical enough and he wouldn't have a silly power.

Actually, I'm now wondering how daemon gender actually works, because it's been established that daemons are normally the opposite sex to themselves (I need more pronouns), but how does it work for noncis people? Mainly trans people, would you get a daemon of your birth sex or your actual gender?

Iirc, Daemons are usually the opposite sex of yourself, but slightly retconned Word of Pullman is that gay people have same-sex Daemons, so there's presumably some kind of interaction between the identity of the host and the Daemon's form. But, yes, these book were written at a time when sexuality and gender identities were less well known, so what exactly that means about other identities is probably up to the reader/fanfic writer and that's a subject I'm too unfamilar with to want to make any statements about.


I'll give it a look next time I'm free, I think. Should be interesting a read. I want to make a compare-contrast to Big Lion Man and Big Polar Bear.

You can try if you want, but it's basically like trying to compare Mewtwo and Leomon. Still it's definitely a fun read, if heavily steeped in a religious stance that means it probably can't be discussed here. If you're up for it, you should also check out the Cry of the Icemark Trilogy, which is basically a Christian version of HDM, which makes it the anti-anti-Narnia. It's also not bad, despite the description.


She abuses and imprisons a child, and is basically the setting's devil equivalent.

In the books she's basically repeatedly established to not have a single redeeming trait whatsoever.

Don't forget she once nuked a whole universe rather than admit she had in fact lost the war with her sister for her country.

Ed:

Anyway, I want opinions. I'm considering explaining to my friend that yes while my feelings for her are mainly platonic, I do have some more romantic feelings WRT her and I need her to slap me in the face if I ever start trying to act on them. Is this a good idea, or is it one of those things you're not supposed to be honest about?

I'm not by any means an expert, but I'd say this is one of those things to not mention to the people involved.

[LaZodiac]

You can try if you want, but it's basically like trying to compare Mewtwo and Leomon. Still it's definitely a fun read, if heavily steeped in a religious stance that means it probably can't be discussed here. If you're up for it, you should also check out the Cry of the Icemark Trilogy, which is basically a Christian version of HDM, which makes it the anti-anti-Narnia. It's also not bad, despite the description.


So what you're saying is that YA Fantasy Fiction is just people constantly trying to one up each other on whether or not religious themes are good and usable, then? Fascinating.

[Durkoala]

So what you're saying is that YA Fantasy Fiction is just people constantly trying to one up each other on whether or not religious themes are good and usable, then? Fascinating.

I'd argue it's more of a series of people going 'This series would be so cool if it wasn't so religious/atheistic, I'm going to do my own version'.

[flat_footed]

The Fullmetal Mod: Please tread lightly. Inappropriate Topics are a fickle thing.

[Bartmanhomer]

Anyway, I'm considered a mid-tier powerhouse because my challenge rating is 10.

[The Fury]

Anyway, I'm considered a mid-tier powerhouse because my challenge rating is 10.

How do you figure? Does this also mean that if I have to fight you, I lose by GM fiat?

[Bartmanhomer]

How do you figure? Does this also mean that if I have to fight you, I lose by GM fiat?

I'm just guessing. Maybe not a CR 10 but a CR 5 or 4 at least. :confused:

[Mystic Muse]

I'm just guessing. Maybe not a CR 10 but a CR 5 or 4 at least. :confused:

And what are you basing this on, exactly?

[The Fury]

I'm just guessing. Maybe not a CR 10 but a CR 5 or 4 at least. :confused:

So... maybe a party of four The Furies might stand a chance?

(Don't imagine there being four of me. That would be horrible.)

[Peelee]

I'm just guessing. Maybe not a CR 10 but a CR 5 or 4 at least. :confused:

CR 5 means a party of 4 level 5 characters is a fair fight. If you are a CR 5, that means you could take, for ex mple, an armored person with a sword, a wizard who can cast Fireball, an armored holy warrior with a heavy mace, and a bow-and-arrow sniper. All at the same time.

[LaZodiac]

Anyway, I'm considered a mid-tier powerhouse because my challenge rating is 10.


I'm just guessing. Maybe not a CR 10 but a CR 5 or 4 at least. :confused:

And what special skills do you bring to the table? Pretend I'm some sort of lich who's interviewing you for a mid boss, maybe even a dungeon boss position. What makes you think you're worth it?

consider it a writing prompt because this sort of thing is one of my favorite.

[DataNinja]

And what special skills do you bring to the table? Pretend I'm some sort of lich who's interviewing you for a mid boss, maybe even a dungeon boss position. What makes you think you're worth it?

consider it a writing prompt because this sort of thing is one of my favorite.

Oh, if we're doing this… well, I bring a disarming innocence to the table that will make the heroes possibly pause as I politely ask them to cease their advance. At least until they realize I have zero actual skills and they can just walk right past me. :smalltongue:

[factotum]

Why is everyone talking about the His Dark Materials trilogy like they're ancient? The first book was published in 1995! I didn't think knowledge of LGBT issues had advanced so significantly in 24 years?

[DataNinja]

Why is everyone talking about the His Dark Materials trilogy like they're ancient? The first book was published in 1995! I didn't think knowledge of LGBT issues had advanced so significantly in 24 years?

For me at least it's not so much felt as "it wasn't known" as "the author just didn't really put a whole lot of deep thought regarding it to a little bit of worldbuilding." Which, I mean, is totally fine. Sometimes things can just be light fare, done for the sake of sounding cool or interesting. :smalltongue:

[Fyraltari]

kwoo on muh apple lay four bee!
French sounds terrible when said like that. Good call on saying it the way you do.
Pretty rare to see a non native French speaker say that, I have to say.

[Anonymouswizard]

And what special skills do you bring to the table? Pretend I'm some sort of lich who's interviewing you for a mid boss, maybe even a dungeon boss position. What makes you think you're worth it?

consider it a writing prompt because this sort of thing is one of my favorite.

I possess a unique Special Attack called Drone, which can be used at will, takes one minute, abs forces a DC18 Will Save to avoid falling asleep. Know I realise that the activation time is a bit of an issue, but at my next level up I plan to take an Aura which will make it impossible for anybody to attack as long as they're holding a cup of tea.

Plus I can also fix the electricals in your dungeon. Flaming torches might be alright for prisoners, but what will adventurers say if they have to fight in such conditions?

[Bartmanhomer]

And what are you basing this on, exactly?My real life skills, talents and abilities


So... maybe a party of four The Furies might stand a chance?

(Don't imagine there being four of me. That would be horrible.)Yikes but I can handle it


CR 5 means a party of 4 level 5 characters is a fair fight. If you are a CR 5, that means you could take, for ex mple, an armored person with a sword, a wizard who can cast Fireball, an armored holy warrior with a heavy mace, and a bow-and-arrow sniper. All at the same time.I can beat everybody.


And what special skills do you bring to the table? Pretend I'm some sort of lich who's interviewing you for a mid boss, maybe even a dungeon boss position. What makes you think you're worth it?

consider it a writing prompt because this sort of thing is one of my favorite.
I'm a weaponmaster and I'm very good with all types of weapons plus my unarmed strike.

[LaZodiac]

Oh, if we're doing this… well, I bring a disarming innocence to the table that will make the heroes possibly pause as I politely ask them to cease their advance. At least until they realize I have zero actual skills and they can just walk right past me. :smalltongue:

Very high chance of getting a heel face turn into a mascot character, fired.


I possess a unique Special Attack called Drone, which can be used at will, takes one minute, abs forces a DC18 Will Save to avoid falling asleep. Know I realise that the activation time is a bit of an issue, but at my next level up I plan to take an Aura which will make it impossible for anybody to attack as long as they're holding a cup of tea.

Plus I can also fix the electricals in your dungeon. Flaming torches might be alright for prisoners, but what will adventurers say if they have to fight in such conditions?

A useful ability that is predicated on some pretty strict situations. Good, but not miniboss or end boss category.

They'll say "oh no we can't see" and one of them will have darkvision. That said I like your gumption on modernization.

EDIT: Well Bartmanhomer, it's an impressive resume, but as we here at Avernum, Santana and X always say; bring me the source of your power. I'm gonna need some references.

[Anonymouswizard]

A useful ability that is predicated on some pretty strict situations. Good, but not miniboss or end boss category.

No, that's fair, I have been trying to get experience slaying dogooders but unfortunately the kobolds have pretty much dried up entry level jobs.

Also I just remembered that the Giant did the exact same joke near the start of OotS.


They'll say "oh no we can't see" and one of them will have darkvision. That said I like your gumption on modernization.

Why thank you. Now if you'll excuse me ExploreCorp has just got in touch, there's an ancient alien artefact that they need up and running by the time the main characters arrive.

[The Fury]

*Waiting patiently to be called into lich Zodi's office*

Whew! Is anyone else nervous? because I'm nervous. Bartmanhomer just interviewed for the position and he can defeat four of me! I'm not sure how we know this, since there isn't four of me, thank goodness. I've been told that one of me is a little much to deal with! heheh...

Sorry, I talk a lot when I'm feeling anxious. Good luck everyone!


And what special skills do you bring to the table? Pretend I'm some sort of lich who's interviewing you for a mid boss, maybe even a dungeon boss position. What makes you think you're worth it?

consider it a writing prompt because this sort of thing is one of my favorite.

I... ah... I have a fairly long adventuring career myself and have died multiple times but as you can see, I do not stay dead. Because of my demeanor, I'm usually considered a joke character until I do something cool. Though full disclosure, I'm usually only able to one cool thing per campaign.

[Bartmanhomer]

Very high chance of getting a heel face turn into a mascot character, fired.



A useful ability that is predicated on some pretty strict situations. Good, but not miniboss or end boss category.

They'll say "oh no we can't see" and one of them will have darkvision. That said I like your gumption on modernization.

EDIT: Well Bartmanhomer, it's an impressive resume, but as we here at Avernum, Santana and X always say; bring me the source of your power. I'm gonna need some references.

My supervisor, Lolth will give you the detail to confirm my resume.

[Anonymouswizard]

*Waiting patiently to be called into lich Zodi's office*

Whew! Is anyone else nervous? because I'm nervous. Bartmanhomer just interviewed for the position and he can defeat four of me! I'm not sure how we know this, since there isn't four of me, thank goodness. I've been told that one of me is a little much to deal with! heheh...

Sorry, I talk a lot when I'm feeling anxious. Good luck everyone!

Uh, yeah, that's right, certainly less than four of you, certainly not seventy two versions *draws curtain across cloning machine*

[The Fury]

Uh, yeah, that's right, certainly less than four of you, certainly not seventy two versions *draws curtain across cloning machine*

This... explains a lot actually.

(Psst! do you think lich Zodi will notice that my resume is just some blank sheets I stapled together?)

[LaZodiac]

I... ah... I have a fairly long adventuring career myself and have died multiple times but as you can see, I do not stay dead. Because of my demeanor, I'm usually considered a joke character until I do something cool. Though full disclosure, I'm usually only able to one cool thing per campaign.

I was looking for actual skills (I was expecting like, actual Your Personality traits, but this is fun) but we always need a recurring minion. Hired because I like your gumption and because I'm envisioning this as some sort of shy deredere style zombified Agrias and this is cute to me.


My supervisor, Lolth will give you the detail to confirm my resume.

Not for nothing but citing a god of lying liars who lie is not a good look.

[Bartmanhomer]

I was looking for actual skills (I was expecting like, actual Your Personality traits, but this is fun) but we always need a recurring minion. Hired because I like your gumption and because I'm envisioning this as some sort of shy deredere style zombified Agrias and this is cute to me.



Not for nothing but citing a god of lying liars who lie is not a good look.
I assure that Lolth is very honest and she doesn't condone fabrication and exaggeration. :annoyed:

[Peelee]

Not for nothing but citing a god of lying liars who lie is not a good look.

Lolth? She's dishonest, and a dishonest god you can always trust to be dishonest. Honestly. It's the honest ones you want to watch out for, because you can never predict when they're going to do something incredibly... stupid.

[Mystic Muse]

I assure that Lolth is very honest and she doesn't condone fabrication and exaggeration. :annoyed:

...Are you getting Lolth mixed up with somebody else?

I just looked it up and one of her domains is trickery.

Also odd you work for her given how Drow culture, and her by extension feel about men.

[Bartmanhomer]

...Are you getting Lolth mixed up with somebody else?

I just looked it up and one of her domains is trickery.

Also odd you work for her given how Drow culture, and she by extension feel about men.

I do work for her and she does tolerate men. I'm also a Drow as well.

[The Fury]

Welp, so far it's been a productive morning! I got a new job as a recurring minion and the gaps in my backstory are starting to come together! I guess I really am some sort of zombie, which explains why I need so much coffee in order to function. Also my sickly, greyish complexion and why I don't bleed when I get stabbed... huh.

I suspect that Anonymouswizard reanimated me. That would explain why there's evidently clones of me and why I died so many times. I really should ask about that. I wonder if they're down to hang this weekend... I guess I should also ask lich Zodi about my new work schedule. I'm not even sure I have weekends off. Why do I never think to ask questions at interviews?

(edit: some of the traits that came up really are true about the actual me-- getting chatty while nervous, being shy, and getting underestimated until I demonstrate actual knowledge or competence in something.)

[Peelee]

I do work for her and she does tolerate men.

Do you have any bridges in Waterdeep to sell us?

[Bartmanhomer]

Do you have any bridges in Waterdeep to sell us?

What do you mean by that? :confused:

[Mystic Muse]

My real life skills, talents and abilities

Yikes but I can handle it

I can beat everybody.


I'm a weaponmaster and I'm very good with all types of weapons plus my unarmed strike.

You have failed to in any way elaborate or explain how your abilities are special, or why your theoretical Lich interviewer should actually hire you.


I do work for her and she does tolerate men. I'm also a Drow as well.

"Tolerate" is being extremely kind. To her, and drow society in general, men are considered inferior to women (no idea how she feels about trans people) and best case scenario are generals, worst case they're slaves and expendable.

[Peelee]

What do you mean by that? :confused:
Oof, my Brooklyn-born-and-raised dad is rolling over in his grave at you missing that one. He was also upset about the Dodgers to his dying day, I tells ya!

I mean this:

You have failed to in any way elaborate or explain how your abilities are special, or why your theoretical Lich interviewer should actually hire you.



"Tolerate" is being extremely kind. To her, and drow society in general, men are considered inferior to women (no idea how she feels about trans people) and best case scenario are generals, worst case they're slaves and expendable.

[LaZodiac]

What do you mean by that? :confused:

Reference to George C. Parker, a scam artist who "sold" landmarks to immigrants to trick them out of money. Originator of the phrase "if you believe that I've got a bridge to sell you" which is an expression implying sheer gullibility.

Ironically I literally looked up this information yesterday to talk to a friend about wacky history things and I always knew this story, but thought it was a guy selling it to the government and ****ing them over and getting paid for it but no, he's just a ****ty person. That sucks. History was a lot more fun when I was ignorant of how it's secretly just a bunch of bad people doing bad things.

Between this and the Fabio Roller Coaster story, all my "haha funny" moments are turning into "set fire to bad people" moments. Which, valid.

[Peelee]

History was a lot more fun when I was ignorant.

Imean, good things and people being happy don't make it into the history books as often.

[The Fury]

You have failed to in any way elaborate or explain how your abilities are special, or why your theoretical Lich interviewer should actually hire you.

Well, being strong enough to defeat four of me is something, right?

[Peelee]

Well, being strong enough to defeat four of me is something, right?

That depends on what your stats and abilities are, though, which we also don't know!

[LaZodiac]

Imean, good things and people being happy don't make it into the history books as often.

True and disappointing. Let's do our part to correct that grievous error. Don't forget the sins and pain of our past, but do remember the good times.


Well, being strong enough to defeat four of me is something, right?

You could take Bartmanhomer in a fight, absolutely. Based on what little I know of the both of you.

[The Fury]

That depends on what your stats and abilities are, though, which we also don't know!

Good enough to be a recurring minion, evidently. Which is admittedly better than I expected.


You could take Bartmanhomer in a fight, absolutely. Based on what little I know of the both of you.

You're not going to ask me to do that, are you?

[Bartmanhomer]

You have failed to in any way elaborate or explain how your abilities are special, or why your theoretical Lich interviewer should actually hire you.



"Tolerate" is being extremely kind. To her, and drow society in general, men are considered inferior to women (no idea how she feels about trans people) and best case scenario are generals, worst case they're slaves and expendable.

I master every weapon that exist throughout the entire world. I can even invent my own weapons. :annoyed:

If that was the case then why did Lolth hired me then? :annoyed:

[Peelee]

If that was the case then why did Lolth hired me then?

You don't want to know.:smallamused:

[Bartmanhomer]

You don't want to know.:smallamused:

Tell me now. Obviously you've worked with her before.

[LaZodiac]

You're not going to ask me to do that, are you?

Obviously not. Interfirm conflicts are solved by boche ball.

and with that I think this abomination of a Whose Line Is It Anyway skit is over. It's been a lot of fun and reminded me of a good gag from a Resident Evil 4 LP I watched. Thank you, all you wonderful people. Never stop just going along with whatever I say.

[Peelee]

Tell me now.

Drow are a type of elf, right? Something something I am still a dragon (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0627.html).:smallamused:

[Fyraltari]

Tell me now. Obviously you've worked with her before.

https://www.yafgc.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/2006-08-13-0077-clever-like-the-wolf.jpg
https://www.yafgc.net/comic/0077-clever-like-the-wolf/

[Mystic Muse]

I master every weapon that exist throughout the entire world. I can even invent my own weapons. :annoyed:


See, now that's a sales pitch!

I don't believe you're capable of that in real life for even a moment, but at least it's something solid for a mid-boss idea. :smalltongue:



If that was the case then why did Lolth hired me then? :annoyed:
I don't know. You're the one who came up with this version of Lolth that doesn't lie, deceive, ETC and isn't a misandrist.

Is she also Lawful Good?

[The Fury]

Obviously not. Interfirm conflicts are solved by boche ball.

I'm awful at boche ball, but I do enjoy it.


and with that I think this abomination of a Whose Line Is It Anyway skit is over. It's been a lot of fun and reminded me of a good gag from a Resident Evil 4 LP I watched. Thank you, all you wonderful people. Never stop just going along with whatever I say.

Don't mention it, it was a fun idea.

[Peelee]

I'm awful at boche ball, but I do enjoy it.

Oh man, this was a big deal with my wife and me. Very early on in the relationship, I told her I loved bowling. We promptly never went bowling. Whenever it came up, she wouldn't want to go. Years later, she finally went bowling with a group of friends and me. She proceeded to be completely shocked at how abysmally bad I was at it.

When I said I loved bowling, she assumed I was good at it, and didn't want me to show her up.

I have yet to ever beat her at bowling. But I have had fun.

[Bartmanhomer]

See, now that's a sales pitch!

I don't believe you're capable of that in real life for even a moment, but at least it's something solid for a mid-boss idea. :smalltongue:


I don't know. You're the one who came up with this version of Lolth that doesn't lie, deceive, ETC and isn't a misandrist.

Is she also Lawful Good?
She's Chaotic Ev......Oh. :frown:

[Mystic Muse]

She's Chaotic Ev......Oh. :frown:

Yeah, this is my point.

However! There's nothing wrong with creating your own version of her. In my setting, Tiamat has shifted to br Lawful Neutral as sort of thanks to the PCs for preventing one of her children from usurping her.

And lets be honest, the evil gods look way cooler than the good ones. Correlon is just an Elf. Lolth is a Demon spider queen.

[Anonymouswizard]

I master every weapon that exist throughout the entire world. I can even invent my own weapons. :annoyed:

But what about weapons that don't exist in the world? I need to know before I start launching pikes into space. Gotta arm the fish with something anyway.


and with that I think this abomination of a Whose Line Is It Anyway skit is over. It's been a lot of fun and reminded me of a good gag from a Resident Evil 4 LP I watched. Thank you, all you wonderful people. Never stop just going along with whatever I say.

Ah, but a panel show segment isn't over until the host has awarded a nonsensical amount of points and/or insulted the performers.

Actually, I hate how the US version of Whose Line just doesn't have as good a host as Clive Anderson, or as much variety in performers. I guess that when you get rid of Tony Slattery and have to get three actors for the same level of humour that's the end result.

Actually, I saw some of the more regular UK contestants at The Comedy Store once. Not overly shocking when you think about how many of them are from the Comedy Store Players, but Richard Vranch is incredibly funny when he's allowed to join in the acts, and Josie Lawerance is still a legend. Although we also had a lot of guests from other places, including Sandi Toksvig and Stephen Fry. I really do find the stablity of the US cast somewhat disappointing, Paul Merton and Tony Slattery together might have been hilarious but it would have ruined some of the charm if they both appeared every week.

Maybe I should visit the Fringe at some point, I hear Clive still hosts live versions every year.

[Peelee]

But what about weapons that don't exist in the world? I need to know before I start launching pikes into space.

No, you have it backwards, you launch the pikes from space (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetic_bombardment).

Bytheway, Bartmanhomer, you say you're proficient in that?

[LaZodiac]

Yeah, this is my point.

However! There's nothing wrong with creating your own version of her. In my setting, Tiamat has shifted to br Lawful Neutral as sort of thanks to the PCs for preventing one of her children from usurping her.

And lets be honest, the evil gods look way cooler than the good ones. Correlon is just an Elf. Lolth is a Demon spider queen.

This is why when I ran DND once I made all the gods real cool and ****. Correlon isn't just An Elf, he's an Eladrin/High Elf made of stained glass window material, only in living form. Also a-gender. My personal favorite though was contrasting Ioun, Goddess of Knowledge, with Vecna, God of Secrets. Because you see, Vecna is the god of secrets but his nature as a lich is obvious and unquestionable. He has no secrets about himself. So to contrast, Ioun is... someone, theologians have decided she is a woman based on her own words but she's definitely someone. She's covered in bandages, like a mummy (the only reasonable contrast to a lich) and with basically no actual physical details.

For bonus points, Vecna's divine realm is a gigantic mage tower where it's impossible to get a full view of things unless you think like Vecna, whereas Ioun's is a massive desert with sand made from scraps of paper detailing lost information, and at it's center is a massive pyramid made of bookshelves, the inside of which contains every book that is or will be.



Ah, but a panel show segment isn't over until the host has awarded a nonsensical amount of points and/or insulted the performers.

Actually, I hate how the US version of Whose Line just doesn't have as good a host as Clive Anderson, or as much variety in performers. I guess that when you get rid of Tony Slattery and have to get three actors for the same level of humour that's the end result.

Actually, I saw some of the more regular UK contestants at The Comedy Store once. Not overly shocking when you think about how many of them are from the Comedy Store Players, but Richard Vranch is incredibly funny when he's allowed to join in the acts, and Josie Lawerance is still a legend. Although we also had a lot of guests from other places, including Sandi Toksvig and Stephen Fry. I really do find the stablity of the US cast somewhat disappointing, Paul Merton and Tony Slattery together might have been hilarious but it would have ruined some of the charm if they both appeared every week.

Maybe I should visit the Fringe at some point, I hear Clive still hosts live versions every year.

I'll be honest I've never seen even a single episode of Whose's Line. I just referenced that because I view myself as a professional and didn't want to associate it with a Saturday Night Live sketch.

[Peelee]

This is why when I ran DND once I made all the gods real cool and ****. Correlon isn't just An Elf, he's an Eladrin/High Elf made of stained glass window material, only in living form.

I love putting stained-glass golems in abandoned temples! If you wanted to do it you may need to change your Correlon form, though.:smalltongue:


Actually, I hate how the US version of Whose Line just doesn't have as good a host as Clive Anderson, or as much variety in performers.

I'll actually agree with that, but Ryan Stiles and Colin Mochrie are always at the top of their game, and who doesn't love Wayne Brady?

[Anonymouswizard]

This is why when I ran DND once I made all the gods real cool and ****. Correlon isn't just An Elf, he's an Eladrin/High Elf made of stained glass window material, only in living form. Also a-gender. My personal favorite though was contrasting Ioun, Goddess of Knowledge, with Vecna, God of Secrets. Because you see, Vecna is the god of secrets but his nature as a lich is obvious and unquestionable. He has no secrets about himself. So to contrast, Ioun is... someone, theologians have decided she is a woman based on her own words but she's definitely someone. She's covered in bandages, like a mummy (the only reasonable contrast to a lich) and with basically no actual physical details.

For bonus points, Vecna's divine realm is a gigantic mage tower where it's impossible to get a full view of things unless you think like Vecna, whereas Ioun's is a massive desert with sand made from scraps of paper detailing lost information, and at it's center is a massive pyramid made of bookshelves, the inside of which contains every book that is or will be.

It's been a while since I've designed gods for a fantasy game, I tend to let the players define whatever gods or religions they follow. It works really well if you have a dedicated Cleric player, and otherwiseplayers just ignore it.

I'm having to do so for my book now and the results are interesting. Gods are moving more eldritch abomination like, some of them (such as the moon god worshiped by the main character) being more on the humanoid side and some being more on the 'horns and tentacles' side, but I don't have many specifics. They're not really active in the world though and might be dead, more important are the fairies who seem to have stopped waging war against the gods.


I'll be honest I've never seen even a single episode of Whose's Line. I just referenced that because I view myself as a professional and didn't want to associate it with a Saturday Night Live sketch.

I highly recommend checking it out, it's more hilarious than Rowan Atkinson (speaking of which, seen Blackadder yet?).

EDIT: @Peelee: I've gone off Colin ever since I discovered that he's a reason my favourite performer, Tony Slattery, never made it to the US version.

[LaZodiac]

I love putting stained-glass golems in abandoned temples! If you wanted to do it you may need to change your Correlon form, though.:smalltongue:



I'll actually agree with that, but Ryan Stiles and Colin Mochrie are always at the top of their game, and who doesn't love Wayne Brady?

Correlon being a living being of stained glass doesn't discount the possibility for stained-glass golems.

Incidently I've found the only gods I haven't modified is Bahamut and Tiamat, since they're basically perfectly... but I recently had an idea since we're discussing this.

So, typically, Bahamut and Tiamet are born from Io being sliced in half. It's never said which way they were cut though! So Io is this gigantic dragon-armour looking dude, with a huge flowing cape and sword. He was sliced through the mid section, making Bahamut this floating draconic looking upper half of armour with a sword with a tattered cape, while Tiamat is the bottom half of a suit of armour, still draconic in appearance but with her armoured body looking more like molten rock due to the blood splatter that ran down her forming body, and the remnants of the cloak she has have twisted around to form her heads!


It's been a while since I've designed gods for a fantasy game, I tend to let the players define whatever gods or religions they follow. It works really well if you have a dedicated Cleric player, and otherwiseplayers just ignore it.

I'm having to do so for my book now and the results are interesting. Gods are moving more eldritch abomination like, some of them (such as the moon god worshiped by the main character) being more on the humanoid side and some being more on the 'horns and tentacles' side, but I don't have many specifics. They're not really active in the world though and might be dead, more important are the fairies who seem to have stopped waging war against the gods.

I highly recommend checking it out, it's more hilarious than Rowan Atkinson (speaking of which, seen Blackadder yet?).

EDIT: @Peelee: I've gone off Colin ever since I discovered that he's a reason my favourite performer, Tony Slattery, never made it to the US version.

Designing divine beings is always fun, and I love creating my own in universe religions. It's the one sort of shame of my own setting that by the necessities of the backstory world building, it's only got room for three major divine beings. I had my fun with them though.

I've not seen Blackadder yet I've been busy with being sick and videos and life stuff.

[Anonymouswizard]

Correlon being a living being of stained glass doesn't discount the possibility for stained-glass golems.

Incidently I've found the only gods I haven't modified is Bahamut and Tiamat, since they're basically perfectly... but I recently had an idea since we're discussing this.

So, typically, Bahamut and Tiamet are born from Io being sliced in half. It's never said which way they were cut though! So Io is this gigantic dragon-armour looking dude, with a huge flowing cape and sword. He was sliced through the mid section, making Bahamut this floating draconic looking upper half of armour with a sword with a tattered cape, while Tiamat is the bottom half of a suit of armour, still draconic in appearance but with her armoured body looking more like molten rock due to the blood splatter that ran down her forming body, and the remnants of the cloak she has have twisted around to form her heads!

Interesting, although I distinctly remember Io being alive at the same time as the other dragon deities. Am I just misremembering the lore?


Designing divine beings is always fun, and I love creating my own in universe religions. It's the one sort of shame of my own setting that by the necessities of the backstory world building, it's only got room for three major divine beings. I had my fun with them though.

I'm always disappointed when I see a fantasy culture and no effort has been put into the religion. I mean divine beings I can kind of take or leave, because I can always have people worship something that doesn't exist, but religions interest me. I'm still trying to work out why the area where my MC grew up insists that there is only one god and they are also the moon.


I've not seen Blackadder yet I've been busy with being sick and videos and life stuff.

You disappoint me. Barely, but still, disappoint!

[Bartmanhomer]

Yeah, this is my point.

However! There's nothing wrong with creating your own version of her. In my setting, Tiamat has shifted to br Lawful Neutral as sort of thanks to the PCs for preventing one of her children from usurping her.

And lets be honest, the evil gods look way cooler than the good ones. Correlon is just an Elf. Lolth is a Demon spider queen. Yeah maybe so but I just love the original.


But what about weapons that don't exist in the world? I need to know before I start launching pikes into space. Gotta arm the fish with something anyway.



Ah, but a panel show segment isn't over until the host has awarded a nonsensical amount of points and/or insulted the performers.

Actually, I hate how the US version of Whose Line just doesn't have as good a host as Clive Anderson, or as much variety in performers. I guess that when you get rid of Tony Slattery and have to get three actors for the same level of humour that's the end result.

Actually, I saw some of the more regular UK contestants at The Comedy Store once. Not overly shocking when you think about how many of them are from the Comedy Store Players, but Richard Vranch is incredibly funny when he's allowed to join in the acts, and Josie Lawerance is still a legend. Although we also had a lot of guests from other places, including Sandi Toksvig and Stephen Fry. I really do find the stablity of the US cast somewhat disappointing, Paul Merton and Tony Slattery together might have been hilarious but it would have ruined some of the charm if they both appeared every week.

Maybe I should visit the Fringe at some point, I hear Clive still hosts live versions every year.

Well I invent a swordgun, Stun grenade, laser dagger. That's all I got.

[LaZodiac]

Interesting, although I distinctly remember Io being alive at the same time as the other dragon deities. Am I just misremembering the lore?

I'm always disappointed when I see a fantasy culture and no effort has been put into the religion. I mean divine beings I can kind of take or leave, because I can always have people worship something that doesn't exist, but religions interest me. I'm still trying to work out why the area where my MC grew up insists that there is only one god and they are also the moon.

You disappoint me. Barely, but still, disappoint!

I might have gotten the source dragon name wrong, or it depends on the world. Either way, I like the idea of Tiamat and Bahamut being literally two halves of a whole instead of symbolically true.

I've put a fair amount of thought into my setting's religions I just haven't... had any opportunity to talk about them since Rei isn't very religious and lives in a place that tends to be secular. It's something I'll try and touch on later because it is cool, for a number of reasons I can't bring up.

Alas, I am a failure. One day I will watch the black snake.

[Anonymouswizard]

Well I invent a swordgun, Stun grenade, laser dagger. That's all I got.

How do you forge lasers into a dagger? Hard enough to catch light, what with this whole 'always moving at 3e8ms-1 relative to you deal. I mean, at least swordchucks had logic. No sense, but logic.

EDIT:

I might have gotten the source dragon name wrong, or it depends on the world. Either way, I like the idea of Tiamat and Bahamut being literally two halves of a whole instead of symbolically true.

I've put a fair amount of thought into my setting's religions I just haven't... had any opportunity to talk about them since Rei isn't very religious and lives in a place that tends to be secular. It's something I'll try and touch on later because it is cool, for a number of reasons I can't bring up.

Alas, I am a failure. One day I will watch the black snake.

I mean, I wasn't pointing any fingers at you as much as some fantasy authors my family members like to read.

[LaZodiac]

I mean, I wasn't pointing any fingers at you as much as some fantasy authors my family members like to read.

I know I was just continuing the conversation.

[Bartmanhomer]

How do you forge lasers into a dagger? Hard enough to catch the light, what with this whole 'always moving at 3e8ms-1 relative to you deal. I mean, at least swordchucks had logic. No sense, but logic.

EDIT:


I mean, I wasn't pointing any fingers at you as much as some fantasy authors my family members like to read.

It's very easy. Do you know how lightsabers are made? When it's the same thing with laser daggers. All you need is a crystal to create light and laser to create the blade of the laser dagger.

[Anonymouswizard]

I know I was just continuing the conversation.

Ah, sorry, my autism makes me almost as bad at realising that as I am at noticing if people like me.


It's very easy. Do you know how lightsabers are made? When it's the same thing with laser daggers. All you need is a crystal to create light and laser to create the blade of the laser dagger.

...That's not how lightsabres work, and doesn't make any sense. I mean, how does a crystal create light, and why does a laser creat the blade?

Now, if I'm as big a nerd as I think I am, lightsabres are supposed to work by creating a plasma, a very hot positively ionised gas (and as such it wants to expand), releasing it from the hilt in a semicircular arc, and using magnetic fields to curve it back towards the handle. Of course you'd actually need to use science fiction force fields to do that, I think the best a magnetic field would do is a ball (I don't care enough to run the numbers), and you'd likely burn your hand off when using one unless your force field also acted as a near-perfect insulator.

[Bartmanhomer]

Ah, sorry, my autism makes me almost as bad at realising that as I am at noticing if people like me.



...That's not how lightsabres work, and doesn't make any sense. I mean, how does a crystal create light, and why does a laser creat the blade?

Now, if I'm as big a nerd as I think I am, lightsabres are supposed to work by creating a plasma, a very hot positively ionised gas (and as such it wants to expand), releasing it from the hilt in a semicircular arc, and using magnetic fields to curve it back towards the handle. Of course you'd actually need to use science fiction force fields to do that, I think the best a magnetic field would do is a ball (I don't care enough to run the numbers), and you'd likely burn your hand off when using one unless your force field also acted as a near-perfect insulator.

It works in the Star Wars Clone Wars Cartoon Series.

[Fyraltari]

Lightsabers are powered by kyber crystals which are connected to the Force.
Lightsabers are magic.

[Anonymouswizard]

Lightsabers are powered by lycée crystals which are connected to the Force.
Lightsabers are magic.

That's what I was getting at, the 'science' explanation is as hilarious as the idea of me having sex. Even if you get past the power supply issues (we're talking Foundation levels of magic power supply here) there's just no way that they could actually work without being completely unrecognisable. I think the most realistic verions I've seen are the No More Heroes lightbulb (second place) and the idea of a monofilliment wire suspended in a force field that is practically invisible.

[Bartmanhomer]

Lightsabers are powered by kyber crystals which are connected to the Force.
Lightsabers are magic.

Lightsabers are magic weapons?! :eek:

[Peelee]

It's very easy. Do you know how lightsabers are made? When it's the same thing with laser daggers.

....so you made a lightsaber, then?

[LaZodiac]

Ah, sorry, my autism makes me almost as bad at realising that as I am at noticing if people like me.

...That's not how lightsabres work, and doesn't make any sense. I mean, how does a crystal create light, and why does a laser creat the blade?

Now, if I'm as big a nerd as I think I am, lightsabres are supposed to work by creating a plasma, a very hot positively ionised gas (and as such it wants to expand), releasing it from the hilt in a semicircular arc, and using magnetic fields to curve it back towards the handle. Of course you'd actually need to use science fiction force fields to do that, I think the best a magnetic field would do is a ball (I don't care enough to run the numbers), and you'd likely burn your hand off when using one unless your force field also acted as a near-perfect insulator.

That's quite alright, I get the same feeling too sometimes.

I used to know the exact logistics set up for how lightsabers are made. I think it's just an innate aspect of Kyber Crystals that if you put energy into them, it creates a specific amount of razor sharp light-energy, depending on the quality of the crystal and the power being fed into it. More energy means more bwoom. The Starkiller Base was made on the planet most Kyber Crystals are mined from, so it's warp capable laser gun was basically just a really large lightsaber.

[Anonymouswizard]

....so you made a lightsaber, then?

I mean, if it's smaller than I guess it's a light2sabre :smalltongue:

EDIT:

That's quite alright, I get the same feeling too sometimes.

I suspect it's that, more than anything, that's stopping me from finding somebody.


I used to know the exact logistics set up for how lightsabers are made. I think it's just an innate aspect of Kyber Crystals that if you put energy into them, it creates a specific amount of razor sharp light-energy, depending on the quality of the crystal and the power being fed into it. More energy means more bwoom. The Starkiller Base was made on the planet most Kyber Crystals are mined from, so it's warp capable laser gun was basically just a really large lightsaber.

Huh, interesting, I definitely remember it being a semicircular arc that was pulled back to the handle by a field. Then again, it took me nearly twenty years to realise that jedi kept their lightsabres on their belts via the rings on the bottom of the hilts, I was never that into Star Wars as a kid.

[Peelee]

I mean, if it's smaller than I guess it's a light2sabre :smalltongue:

Yeah, a lightsaber (https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Shoto_lightsaber).:smallwink:

[Bartmanhomer]

....so you made a lightsaber, then?

Sort of. :wink:

[Anonymouswizard]

Yeah, a lightsaber (https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Shoto_lightsaber).:smallwink:

I still prefer the term lightlightsabre.

[Peelee]

I still prefer the term lightlightsabre.

Lightsqaredsaber? Lightsquaber?

Sort of. :wink:

What's the difference between your light dagger and a lightsaber?

[Fyraltari]

Lightsabers are magic weapons?! :eek:

Yes.

They are magic in the sense that the explanation for how they work makes no scientific sense at all. So they are magic in the same way that Doctor’s Who’s Tardis or Star Trek’s whateveritwasthatresurrectedSpock are magic. They’re plot devices that are impossible in the real world but not magical in-universe. In that way they are just as magical as most of Star Wars’s technology.

They are magic in the sense that they are meant to evoke magic swords of myths and fairy tale and serve much the same purpose.

They are magic in the sense that the crystal that is essential to make them is supernatural and often implied (or even stated) to have a spiritual connection with its wielded like in TFA where the saber chooses Rey over Kylo Ren or in Kotor II where the Dantooine’s crystal power grows with the player character’s.

[Anonymouswizard]

Lightsqaredsaber? Lightsquaber?

Light2sabre is still my preference.

[Peelee]

or in Kotor II where the Dantooine’s crystal power grows with the player character’s.

Can we take a minute to appreciate just how fantastic that mechanic was? It was so thematically great for the Exile.

[Bartmanhomer]

Lightsqaredsaber? Lightsquaber?


What's the difference between your light dagger and a lightsaber?

Light dagger is smaller than a lightsaber.

[Peelee]

Light dagger is smaller than a lightsaber.

Right, like a lightsaber (https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Lightsaber_shoto).

[Fyraltari]

Can we take a minute to appreciate just how fantastic that mechanic was? It was so thematically great for the Exile.

It’s hardly novel but I loved the way that game integrated RPG convention into story elements.

«Oh, you know how you kept getting stronger with each ennemy you kill? That’s because you’re basically a space vampire, you bastard».
Please ignore all the non-combat EXP, thank you very much.