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onigame
2020-03-22, 06:37 PM
In Strip 1157 (https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1157.html), the Exarch describes the turn-to-stone rule as follows:


Anyone violating dwarven law is instantly turned to stone until the meeting is formally adjourned.

He also mentions that physical attacks would be such a violation of dwarven law.

In Strip 1172 (https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1172.html), Durkon violates the law of destruction of public property, and so gets turned to stone.

In Strip 1173 (https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1173.html), the meeting is, by the words of the dwarf in panel 13, "temporarily suspended".

In Strip 1174 (https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1174.html), the exarch says that "The law-runes no longer apply", which means that physical attacks are now allowed.

In Strip 1178 (https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1174.html) it is implied that if the meeting had been adjourned (and not just suspended), then the turn-to-stone spell would have ended on its own.

So... what is going on with this turn-to-stone spell? It has a trigger that is only active when the meeting is in active session, and doesn't trigger when the meeting is suspended. Presumable when the meeting gets convened again, the trigger would come back. But the ending (dispelling) of the spell doesn't happen when the meeting is suspended -- only when the meeting is adjourned. Doesn't this seem sort of weird? If you were writing the turn-to-stone spell, wouldn't you make the "on" part of the spell active for the whole meeting as well, including during the suspended times?

While I'm quibbling about this, Strip 1173 actually doesn't say anything about the meeting getting suspended when the table is broken -- it simply says that "No vote shall be completed". The meeting could easily still continue with things that aren't about voting (like discussion), it's just that they can't complete the vote.

Another thought comes to mind -- where is Durkon's soul when he is turned to stone? Is it stuck in his stoned body? Or is it up there with Thor? If the latter, it seems strange that Durkon has no extra interaction with Thor when he's up there (for the third time today!). If the former, this seems like a fine little loophole to allow Dwarves to avoid Hel .. just turn a bunch of them to stone and don't turn them back. Or is the stone statue considered alive until, perhaps, the statue is destroyed? If so, what would determine whether destroying the stone statue be an honorable death or not?

Peelee
2020-03-22, 07:04 PM
So... what is going on with this turn-to-stone spell? It has a trigger that is only active when the meeting is in active session, and doesn't trigger when the meeting is suspended. Presumable when the meeting gets convened again, the trigger would come back. But the ending (dispelling) of the spell doesn't happen when the meeting is suspended -- only when the meeting is adjourned. Doesn't this seem sort of weird? If you were writing the turn-to-stone spell, wouldn't you make the "on" part of the spell active for the whole meeting as well, including during the suspended times?
Nope. Why would I?

While I'm quibbling about this, Strip 1173 actually doesn't say anything about the meeting getting suspended when the table is broken -- it simply says that "No vote shall be completed". The meeting could easily still continue with things that aren't about voting (like discussion), it's just that they can't complete the vote.
The relevant passage is on a page we don't see, why not.

Another thought comes to mind -- where is Durkon's soul when he is turned to stone? Is it stuck in his stoned body? Or is it up there with Thor? If the latter, it seems strange that Durkon has no extra interaction with Thor when he's up there (for the third time today!). If the former, this seems like a fine little loophole to allow Dwarves to avoid Hel .. just turn a bunch of them to stone and don't turn them back. Or is the stone statue considered alive until, perhaps, the statue is destroyed? If so, what would determine whether destroying the stone statue be an honorable death or not?
Stuck in the stone body, presumably; Flesh to Stone does not kill the creature. I doubt any dwarf willing to be subjected to Flesh to Stone wouldn't be able to pick a fight with whoever was available to cast Flesh to Stone to begin with, though. Which is a significantly better loophole, and one they've been using this whole time already.

snowblizz
2020-03-23, 04:24 AM
Is it one of the Dragon magazine strips where a Medusa ends up running a "cryo" clinic ?

The Flesh to Stoned are technically alive. And making them into stonework roads is super evil.

Fyraltari
2020-03-23, 04:32 AM
Most likely it was designed without taking the possibility of suspending the session into account. That’s how loopholes originate.