OOTS as Illiad / Trojan War characters

[t209]

We have done Romeo and Juliet, Hamlet, and other stories.
Now let's try putting OOTS cast as Illiad characters.
The Acheans
Agamemnon- Eugene Greenhilt (I mean he is the least likable of all Acheans)
Menelaus- Roy Greenhilt
Helen- Julia Greenhilt
Odysseus- Daigo
Penelope- Kazumi
Achilles- Elan
Patroclus- Haley/Therkla
Calchas- Sangwaan
Diomedes- Belkar
Ajax- O-Chul

The Trojans
Paris- Pompeii
Hector- Nale
Andromache- Sabine
Glaucus- Thog
Aeneas- Hinjo
King Priam- Tarquin
Cassandra- Kobold Oracle

What do you think?

[Schroeswald]

Now don't quote me as knowing much of anything about the Illiad, all I did was watch the Overly Sarcastic Production on it, but a lot of this seems weird, like what does Elan, a big 'ol goofball, have to do with Achilles, the man with so much rage and hate he spent [I forgot how long he spent doing this but it was awhile] dragging Hector's dead body around with his chariot? And why is Hinjo on team Minor Baddies/Troy?

However Eugene is definitely Agamemnon, thats for sure.

[hroþila]

Now don't quote me as knowing much of anything about the Illiad, all I did was watch the Overly Sarcastic Production on it, but a lot of this seems weird, like what does Elan, a big 'ol goofball, have to do with Achilles, the man with so much rage and hate he spent [I forgot how long he spent doing this but it was awhile] dragging Hector's dead body around with his chariot?
They're both blond!

[Fyraltari]

I would like to bring my contribution but I’m not sure I can without violating the rules on religion.

Edit: also, I am utterly puzzled by the associations here.

[hroþila]

I reckon it's not "which OOTS characters are legitimately like these Iliad characters", but rather "which OOTS characters could be used to spoof the Iliad characters - they would be completely different but make some sense at some level, even by virtue of being complete opposites and that feeding some great jokes". So the Oracle for Cassandra makes sense even though they're nothing alike.

Anyway, Paris is too big a role for Pompeii. Also, Paris would totally be Belkar.

[t209]

I reckon it's not "which OOTS characters are legitimately like these Iliad characters", but rather "which OOTS characters could be used to spoof the Iliad characters - they would be completely different but make some sense at some level, even by virtue of being complete opposites and that feeding some great jokes". So the Oracle for Cassandra makes sense even though they're nothing alike.

Anyway, Paris is too big a role for Pompeii. Also, Paris would totally be Belkar.

Yeah, mostly on that level.


And why is Hinjo on team Minor Baddies/Troy?

A nod to Aeneid by Virgil where Aeneas led the Trojan survivors after their city was sacked just as Hinjo did for Azurites.

[Vinyadan]

Uhm, Iliad has one L.

Now, this having been said, I like the way some of the connections were made (Hinjo in particular).

Here's one possible other version:

Shojo: Priamus

Daigo: Hector (a family man)

Elan: Paris (seducer)

Sabine: Helen (the seduced)

Nale: Menelaus (the Horned one)

Haley: other Menelaus (the Horned one)

Miko: Achilles (the furious one)

Roy: Agamemnon (the one Achilles is furious at)

Belkar: Odysseus (violent smooth-talker)

Hel: Apollo (sender of pestilence)

Durkon: Cassandra (unheeded warnings)

Vaarsuvius: Diomedes (helps out Odysseus in abusing a prisoner, dubious morality)

[t209]

Miko: Achilles (the furious one)

So who would be Patroclus, Windstriker?

[hroþila]

So who would be Patroclus, Windstriker?
This thread sure took an uncomfortable turn all of sudden.

No, wait, the first post already had Roy as Melenaus and Julia as Helen. How did I miss THAT.

[Vinyadan]

So who would be Patroclus, Windstriker?
I like this idea. Miko is so angry and wants so hard to be left alone, that she just loads her stuff on the horse and shouts, "Now go off and pretend to be me!" And then the horse gets killed, first by Hel, then by That Guy With a Halberd, and finally by Daigo.

There is no homosexual content in the Iliad, by the way, which is probably why I am so on board with this.

[t209]

This thread sure took an uncomfortable turn all of sudden.

No, wait, the first post already had Roy as Melenaus and Julia as Helen. How did I miss THAT.
To be fair, I was only imagining the basic plot of “a pompous prince took someone’s relative and started a decade long war from the someone who had his relative wage war in response”.
Even as someone who is familiar with basic summary and Eric Shanower’s “Berserk level slow release” Age of Bronze.

I like this idea. Miko is so angry and wants so hard to be left alone, that she just loads her stuff on the horse and shouts, "Now go off and pretend to be me!" And then the horse gets killed, first by Hel, then by That Guy With a Halberd, and finally by Daigo.

There is no homosexual content in the Iliad, by the way, which is probably why I am so on board with this.
Well, Greek writers after Homer tend to make them older Patroclus considering younger Achiles as Eromenos.

[hroþila]

There is no homosexual content in the Iliad, by the way, which is probably why I am so on board with this.
No, but there's enough subtext that people in ancient Greece already shipped them, and this interpretation is widespread enough that it has to be taken into account when doling out roles.

[137beth]

Wait a minute. If Julia and Hinjo are both half Eastern Gods, then there might be a way to stop the Snarl that doesn't involve the Dark One:smalltongue:

[t209]

Wait a minute. If Julia and Hinjo are both half Eastern Gods, then there might be a way to stop the Snarl that doesn't involve the Dark One:smalltongue:
Well, come to think of it.
I was thinking in line of Haleo and Julelan, or Roy-Hamlet.
Since Eastern Gods were dead along with their mythos, I think that might not happen in OOTS universe.
Just got in my head after reading Age of Bronze comic (Trojan War but in Bronze Age Mycennean and Hittite cultural context).

[Vinyadan]

No, but there's enough subtext that people in ancient Greece already shipped them, and this interpretation is widespread enough that it has to be taken into account when doling out roles.

I don't think there is enough subtext in the Iliad, although I know that there are bound to be other opinions.

Centuries after the work had taken its form, the Greeks tried to project their contemporary mores on its characters, and probably saw more than what was written. What's interesting is the way in which they tried to adapt it to how they lived man-man love, because, for example, to them, it was odd that the more valiant (ergo virile) one was younger (ergo expected to be passive).

Other poets wrote other works where they were lovers, and there's no doubt about it... within those works. At least one, instead, simply made Patroclus into the brother of Achilles's father.

[Cicciograna]

[QUOTE=Vinyadan;24434290]Uhm, Iliad has one L.

Now, this having been said, I like the way some of the connections were made (Hinjo in particular).

Here's one possible other version:

Shojo: Priamus

Daigo: Hector (a family man)

Elan: Paris (seducer)

Sabine: Helen (the seduced)

Nale: Menelaus (the Horned one)

Here's my take on it. I chose to disregard familial relationships between characters, and only focus on their personalities and situations in the comic. I included a short description on why who is who, feel free to disagree, some of them are clearly a stretch.

The Achaeans

Agamemnon: Eugene Greenhilt (mighty and powerful, but at the same time haughty and self-centered)

Menelaus: Therkla (driven by love and honor, a capable fighter although not as strong as the others in his group, loved and lost)

Ulysses: Haley (a crafty and cunning character, very devious at times, nonetheless a good friend and comrade)

Nestor: Durkon (a good fighter, but the wisest of the lot, and a sort of fatherly figure for the Achaeans)

Achilles: Roy (the strongest fighter, period, very honor-bound and dedicated; bonus remarks: at some point loses his weapons and obtain new, improved ones)

Patroclus: Celia (very attached to Achilles, she can hold her own in battle, although at the end of the day she is a no match for more skilled fighters)

Diomedes: Belkar (the second strongest fighter, it takes a Sexy Shoeless God of War to actually best other divinities)

Khalcas: the Oracle (a great diviner, his predictions are always accurate)



The Trojans

Priamus: Shojo (wizened leader of an old and mighty city)

Paris: Elan (the seducer, often doesn't think of his actions)

Helen: I put her here because for the best part of the story, she is in Troy Julia (very pretty and stylish, doesn't do that much in the story except flaunting her looks :smalltongue:)

Hector: Miko (the strongest trojan fighter, honor is everything, and the words of her liege are law for her)

Aeneas: O'Chul (the second strongest combatant, his strength is however mitigated by a good amount of wisdom; plus, we all have a thing for him, right? :smallwink:)

Cassandra: Blackwing (the proverbial bird on one's shoulder, his word hold wisdom, but for a long time they weant unheard)



The Gods

Zeus: Xykon (generally uncaring about anything but his own business, he is the most powerful of all)

Ares: Thog (a force of destruction who revels in battle)

Athena: Redcloak (while certainly a competent warrior, he puts brain over brawn, and prides himself as a tactical genius)

Poseidon: Tarquin (a mighty character, doesn't really mind what others do as long as they can put up a good show for him, and serve his cause one way or the other)

Apollo: Vaarsuvius (prideful and powerful, not willing to accept slights, has the means to indiscriminately rain death from above)

Artemis: Minrah (a belligerant characters who, just like her brother, is not keen to accept slights and comments on her being)

[KorvinStarmast]

I think that the premise of this thread might have a slight flaw. The Iliad has imbedded in it a powerful anti war message.
What?
Yeah, a significant portion of it was a lamentation on the down side of war. (https://scholarsarchive.byu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=5204&context=etd)

If you look at the end of the story of the Iliad, the Greeks had spent 9 years at war, many dead, and Troy was still standing.

the linked article isn't the only treatment of the Iliad that discusses some if its internal messages.

It isn't until one gets to the Odyssey that the ruse devised with the wooden horse provides a chance to end the war in Greek favor. (Note that it could have been ended at any point in the preceding 9 years were the Greeks not so persistent).

As to characterizations: Haley as Odysseus does not work for me beyond (1) being good with a bow and (2) being above average as regards clever.

I think this effort to shoehorn the characters into the Homeric epics is a case of "Getting a bigger shoe horn still won't make the shoe fit" bit I do applaud the attampts.