Race with wings and dark vision

[Stormingnorman8]

Hello,

little random, but is there a race out there with wings ( at least poor, if not better) and Darkvision?

Thanks in advance

[TotallyNotEvil]

If you can pull from PF, there's Strix.

[Thurbane]

https://forums.giantitp.com/showthread.php?189980

LA +2:

Aarakocra
Fey'ri
Gloaming

There's also a couple of LA +2 templates that give wings; Winged, Half-fey; probably more as well.

[MaxiDuRaritry]

A Dragonwrought kobold has the option for wings, if he takes an appropriate feat.

Alternately, perhaps a dragonborn (wings) Dragonwrought kobold? He still has the benefits of both feats, although he'll lose quite a lot of stuff from being a kobold.

[Biffoniacus_Furiou]

Dragonborn (wings) is a +0 LA template that gains flight at 6th level. You lose any traits of the base creature, but not any traits inherent to your original creature type or subtypes (http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ask/20070112a). For example, an Elan (https://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/psionicRaces.htm#elans) is an Aberration (https://www.d20srd.org/srd/typesSubtypes.htm#aberrationType) and thus will always have Darkvision 60 ft.

Edit: In case your DM disagrees and says you lose your base creature's darkvision, you can use one of the various Elf races, become Dragonborn, and then take the Otherworldly regional feat to become an Outsider and gain darkvision that way.

[MaxiDuRaritry]

Dragonborn (wings) is a +0 LA template that gains flight at 6th level. You lose any traits of the base creature, but not any traits inherent to your original creature type or subtypes (http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ask/20070112a). For example, an Elan (https://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/psionicRaces.htm#elans) is an Aberration (https://www.d20srd.org/srd/typesSubtypes.htm#aberrationType) and thus will always have Darkvision 60 ft.A racial trait of elan is that they do not have darkvision.

Ironically, they lose that trait when they become dragonborn and actually gain darkvision.

[Biffoniacus_Furiou]

A racial trait of elan is that they do not have darkvision.

Ironically, they lose that trait when they become dragonborn and actually gain darkvision.

That's right, I'd forgotten what made that combination so tricky, it's been a while since I needed to use it.

[Thurbane]

The (generally considered broken at LA +0) Unseelie Fey template from Dragon Compendium can, as a random chance for each, give wings [50%] and/or darkvision [10%].

[NotASpiderSwarm]

You can also combo a template and a race. Raptorans get flight, and plenty of templates give Darkvision. Dark from ToM is LA+1, Necropolitan is 0 LA but costs you XP, etc.

Or be a wyrmling dragon. There's a couple options for that at ECL 5ish, but that is an investment.

[Asmotherion]

Fey'ri have both as well as at-will alter self. Pretty good for a +2 race. If you're a caster, it's not worth the caster levels, as you'll eventually have all of those abilities as spells. Pretty good for any other case though.

[PoeticallyPsyco]

Anthropomorphic Bat (Savage Species pg. 215-216) has a 20ft average flight speed, Darkvision 60ft, plus blindsense 20ft as a bonus. LA +0, 1 HD that is replaced by your 1st class level. Only 5ft land speed, though.

[MaxiDuRaritry]

Phaerimm don't get wings, but they can fly, and although they don't have darkvision listed, they are aberrations, which do have darkvision. Since nothing in their entries says otherwise, they do gain darkvision. Also, they cast as sorcerers of their character level. They have a +2 LA for a hatchling. Note that the sorcerer casting they get is in addition to whatever their class-granted abilities are, so a hatchling phaerimm aberration 1/wizard 4 casts as a 4th level wizard and a 5th level sorcerer. Also, they have a ton of other useful abilities, like telepathy. Mindsight, anyone?

[Thurbane]

Anthropomorphic Bat (Savage Species pg. 215-216) has a 20ft average flight speed, Darkvision 60ft, plus blindsense 20ft as a bonus. LA +0, 1 HD that is replaced by your 1st class level. Only 5ft land speed, though.

Probably the best, and most straightforward, option so far.

Good pick up!

[PoeticallyPsyco]

A single level in the Ghost savage progression (https://web.archive.org/web/20190908183229/http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/sp/20040117a) gives you the Undead type and the Incorporeal subtype. Being undead gives you Darkvision 60ft, and being a ghost gives you a 30ft fly speed w/ perfect maneuverability.

Side note: I could have sworn having the [incorporeal] subtype gave you a fly speed inherently, but I can't seem to find that anywhere.

[MaxiDuRaritry]

A single level in the Ghost savage progression (https://web.archive.org/web/20190908183229/http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/sp/20040117a) gives you the Undead type and the Incorporeal subtype. Being undead gives you Darkvision 60ft, and being a ghost gives you a 30ft fly speed w/ perfect maneuverability.

Side note: I could have sworn having the [incorporeal] subtype gave you a fly speed inherently, but I can't seem to find that anywhere.Ethereality grants a fly speed, and since ghosts are ethereal until they manifest...

Of course, ghosts can fly anyway, even when incorporeal.

[PoeticallyPsyco]

Dragonborn (wings) is a +0 LA template that gains flight at 6th level. You lose any traits of the base creature, but not any traits inherent to your original creature type or subtypes (http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ask/20070112a).

Alternatively, one of the things Dragonborn keep is any movement modes they used to have, and Aspect of the Mind gives you Darkvision. So you can use the template on a race that can natively fly to give it darkvision. For example, a Dragonborn Raptoran (Aspect of the Mind) has a 40ft fly speed (average) and Darkvision 60ft. Pretty good deal, honestly.

EDIT: Actually, Raptorans don't get flight until 5HD, and have a limit on how many rounds they can fly... which the Dragonborn template removes. Sketchy AF, I must admit.

[Ruethgar]

White Dragonspawn get a decent flight speed for +1 LA, limited to human races only unless you want to take the -4 Int and Wis.

Fey’Ri are also Planetouched so can go down to LA 0 if you make them Humanoid(Planetouched).

Any dragonblooded race can take Dragon Wings, DWKs can just take Improved Dragon Wings at level 1 with a flaw because of their type.

Along those lines, the base 10 True Dragons have a Hatchling age category that are all ECL 0. Bronze is best since they have no stat adjustments, are a decent size, and have clear swimming ability from their subtype. No natural armor, weaponry, or wings by default, just electric immunity, water subtype and the dragon type, but can take Improved Dragon Wings off the bat for being Dragons.(Silver would be best for the +2 Cha and Air subtype but that ‘always have a fly speed’ isn’t defined for when it’s not listed such as with green and silver dragon hatchlings).

Anthropomorphic Ravens have better stats than bats if you wanted to get the Darkvision elsewhere or wanted to look cool. The templates doesn’t say you keep subtypes so an anthro muder of crows is the same stats but you get to picture a swarm of birds who are either in the shape of a man or half man themselves.

An Advanced Awakened Monkey is ECL 0 with free 5 RHD so you could get Dragontouched, Dragon Wings, and Improved Dragon Wings as another way to get flight at ECL 1, but no Darkvision without something else added.

[liquidformat]

Dragonborn Ratoran with Mind special ability

[Mnemius]

Pathfinder has the Slyph race (I haven't seen any LA in pathfinder yet). They start with darkvision.
For the price of 2 feats, 2nd one requires character level 9th, a slyph can acquire "good" tier wingless supernatural flight equal to their ground move speed.

[Segev]

Where are “hatchling” dragon age categories printed? Those sound intriguing.

There is also the Winged template. +2 LA, apply to a race with darkvision (winged dwarf makes me chuckle for some reason).

[Ruethgar]

Dragon Magazine #320 p36 Metallic Dragons. Dragon Magazine #332 p26 Chromatic Dragons. You are required to complete an age category in the dragon's racial class, but because it adds hatching which you completed by picking the race, you can skip the class entirely.

[Segev]

Dragon Magazine #320 p36 Metallic Dragons. Dragon Magazine #332 p26 Chromatic Dragons. You are required to complete an age category in the dragon's racial class, but because it adds hatching which you completed by picking the race, you can skip the class entirely.

Hah. Pretty sure RAI is clearly that you need to get up to Wyrmling, but I do see the RAW argument there. And question how broken it'd be.

...are you sure the age category is complete at first level, rather than at the level just before the next one is attained?

[Ruethgar]

...are you sure the age category is complete at first level, rather than at the level just before the next one is attained?

I suppose that could be argued, thought it would be the only age category to act in such a way. A level 7-9 Brass in't Very Young, they are still wyrmlings. Very young requires them to reach level 10. So would you also be arguing that at minimum you would have to take 9 levels in Brass Dragon before being able to exit into a PC class?

[Segev]

I suppose that could be argued, thought it would be the only age category to act in such a way. A level 7-9 Brass in't Very Young, they are still wyrmlings. Very young requires them to reach level 10. So would you also be arguing that at minimum you would have to take 9 levels in Brass Dragon before being able to exit into a PC class?

I'm not arguing it, really, but playing devil's advocate. So, in that vein, I'd say you had to get to the level jsut before Wyrmling to "complete" Hatchling.

Alternatively, it's meant to say that you have to get to Wyrmling before you can multiclass, and, if you start taking more levels after Wyrmling, have to keep going until you hit Very Young.

By this logic, you "start Wyrmling" at level 1. If you take even 1 level, you have to keep going to Wyrmling before multiclassing. However, as a hatchling, you could NEVER take a level of your dragon type and just take the racial package minus things given by level 1, and start classing as something else.

Arguably, though, you're not allowed to do taht, you you MUST start the Wyrmling progression with level 1, and can't multiclass out until you complete it.

REally, though, it'll ultimately be up to your DM.