Avigor
2020-04-13, 08:14 PM
So the hypothetical is, for whatever reason, you want to permanently Dominate a Woodling (template in MM3), which as a part of the template gives you the type traits of a plant that include immunity to both polymorph and mind-affecting. Let us assume that the target is not valid for Manipulate Form (yes, that one). Nightmare Spinner's Adaptation section is technically a suggested homebrew rather than a RAW afaik so we'll ignore that. I chose Woodling because you can't POA them into a different creature type that lacks the immunity to mind-affecting, nor can you take it away via other means such as level drain or the Remove Trait spell (as afaik since it's neither extraordinary or supernatural but type-based the immunity should not be a valid target).
I'm unsure about Reincarnate, given that the description does specify that the new body is always of the same type, and even if the loophole that a non-Woodling is technically the same type (they just get some extra features from their type because template) meant that there was an overwhelming chance of the new body being non-Woodling (leaving just the double-0 "Other" as the odds of getting the template back) you're banking on the target being willing to return, which if it knows there's a threat it might not be.
A small possibility I can think of is a non-polymorph type change such as Greater Visage of the Deity (converted from personal to touch via maybe an epic Runesmith [RoS] or a Spellguard of Silverymoon [PGtF]) and then following that with at least Monstrous Thrall if not also a POA (to try and permanently lock it into a non-Woodling form in case of some kind of suppression ruling), but that is heavily dependent on how the DM rules how an ongoing mind-affecting effect functions or fails when the target's type changes back, and/or if a POA on a temporarily type-changed but normally immune to polymorph creature will hold when the duration expires or not.
Otherwise, maybe waiting for the target to be asleep or otherwise unconscious, as SRD has "A creature can voluntarily forego a saving throw and willingly accept a spells result. Even a character with a special resistance to magic can suppress this quality." However that sounds like you need to get the target to consciously suppress their immunity, and somehow I doubt being asleep should normally do that.
Finally, there's always Wish, Miracle, or epic magic, but those are kinda like cheats anyways. What do you guys think? Am I missing anything?
I'm unsure about Reincarnate, given that the description does specify that the new body is always of the same type, and even if the loophole that a non-Woodling is technically the same type (they just get some extra features from their type because template) meant that there was an overwhelming chance of the new body being non-Woodling (leaving just the double-0 "Other" as the odds of getting the template back) you're banking on the target being willing to return, which if it knows there's a threat it might not be.
A small possibility I can think of is a non-polymorph type change such as Greater Visage of the Deity (converted from personal to touch via maybe an epic Runesmith [RoS] or a Spellguard of Silverymoon [PGtF]) and then following that with at least Monstrous Thrall if not also a POA (to try and permanently lock it into a non-Woodling form in case of some kind of suppression ruling), but that is heavily dependent on how the DM rules how an ongoing mind-affecting effect functions or fails when the target's type changes back, and/or if a POA on a temporarily type-changed but normally immune to polymorph creature will hold when the duration expires or not.
Otherwise, maybe waiting for the target to be asleep or otherwise unconscious, as SRD has "A creature can voluntarily forego a saving throw and willingly accept a spells result. Even a character with a special resistance to magic can suppress this quality." However that sounds like you need to get the target to consciously suppress their immunity, and somehow I doubt being asleep should normally do that.
Finally, there's always Wish, Miracle, or epic magic, but those are kinda like cheats anyways. What do you guys think? Am I missing anything?