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Anonymouswizard

2020-05-18, 02:44 PM

Good evening esteemed posters, and welcome to the two hundred and twenty seventh incarnation of the random banter thread. This is the place to come to discuss that which is on your minds, especially those thoughts of a more chaotic bent.

So please grab your drinks, take your seats, ad help yourself to a biscuit (real world drinks and biscuits not included), as we get down to the discussion.

Amotis' Random Banter #1 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13484)
Dhavaer's Random Banter #2 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13401)
PhoeKun's Random Banter #3 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13319)
Rei Jin's Random Banter #4 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13205)
Toxic Avenger's Random Banter #5 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13146)
Jibar's Random Banter #6 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13026)
Ego Slayer's Surrogate Random Banter #7 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12939)
Sneak's Random Barroom Brawl #8 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12918)
Sophistemon's Solemnly Random Banter #9 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12855)
Vaynor's Very Random Banter #10 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12834)
Bookman's Blathering Random Banter #11 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12809)
Gralamin's Glorious Random Banter #12 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12785)
Rilik's Resplendently Random Raillery #13 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12766)
Gezina's Growling Grazing Random Banter #14 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12747)
The Zerglings Utterly And Geeky Random Banter #15 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12740)
jaqueses Truthfully Randomly Fireside Banter # 16 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12735)
Jack Squat’s Jubilantly Quixotic Random Banter #17 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12693)
Cardel's Banter of Cookie Jubilation #18 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12668)
Archonic's Chaotically Random Banter of Rods #19 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12657)
The Rod's Inanimate Temple of RANDOM banter #20 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12638)
Lucky’s Loquaciously Loud-Mouthed Random Banter#21 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12630)
Deckmaster's Divinely Delightful Random Banter #22 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12614)
Saithis' Soliloquy of Random Banter #23 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12598)
Loveable Lianae's Ludicrous Lampooning Lottery #24 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12578)
NEO|Phyte's Neolithic Nest of Weasel Banter #25 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12544)
Target's Random Banter of "non-violence" #26 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12533)
Tarnag40k's Random banter of "grammar errors" #27 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12515)
Kyrian's Random Banter of ADHDness #28 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12507)
El Jaspero's Random Drunken Ramblings #29 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12503)
Boss Smiley's Eloquently Eggy Banter #30 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12494)
Lykan's Looney Explosionarama & Random Banter #31 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12482)
Iames's Iambic Yarn of Yammering #32 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12468)
Dispozition's Deviously Distressed Banter #33 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12458)
CP's Copiously Combusting Banter of Carnage #34 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12445)
Alarra's Altar of Random Banter #35 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12432)
Eloquent Rune's Electrifying Rambling Banter #36 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12423)
E_P's Very Own Quite Popular Random Banter #37 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12419)
Hydrogelic's Foolish Mortal Random Banter #38 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12413)
Ink's Smudgy Splotchy Random Banter #39 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12405)
Azrael's Big Black Book of Banter #40 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12397)
The Logic Vampire's Rational Random Banter #41 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12387)
Shiny's Shimmering Space-hitchin Random Banter #42 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12376)
ZombieRockStar's Random Banter #43 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12360)
Nostrabel's Realm of Cookies and Random Banter #44 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12342)
Charity's Cheery Chatter Circle #45 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12328)
Samiam's Spontaneous Scintillating Soliloquy #46 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12310)
LLama's Masked Mysterious Random Banter #47 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26599)
Ravishing Rydia's Recumbentibus ^_^ Random Banter #48 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27622)
Penguinizers Perilous Random Banter #49 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28083)
Death's delightfully morbid surrogate random banter #50 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28444)
Wayril's wonderfully weird surrogate random banter #51 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28990)
Rawhide's Deck of Random Banter (52 Cards) (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29697)
Korith's Sorrogate Random Banter of Zombie Killing #53 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30353)
Surrogate thread of random Bor-dom #54 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31109)
Rex Idiotarum's Painfully Pogoing Thread #55 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31512)
The Wrath of KHAAAAAANtalas’s William Shatner Flavored Random Banter # 56 (Surrogate) (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32080)
EmeraldRose's Random Banter of Lashing Wit #57 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32494)
Captain van der Decken's Surrogate Ship of Random Loot (Banter) #58 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32847)
SDF's Neverending I-Don't-Have-an-OotS-Avatar-Yet Story Banter #59 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33465)
Mauril's Surrogate Dwelf Banter of Fantasy Race Confusion 60th Edition (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34165)
Rockphed's Dice Rolling Toga Party of 61 Drunken CIA Analysts (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34568)
var Lord_Magtok = Random(Banter*62) + Surrogate (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34801)
Jibar's Retro Random Banter #63 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35014)
Malina's Random Spanish Banter #64 of morphical annoyance (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35256)
Mr. E's Random Banter #65 of Cane Toting and Hat Tipping (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35418)
Ego Slayer's Hellishly Random Banter #66.6 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35596)
Purple Gelatinous Cube o' Doom's bowl of bantery j-e-ll-o randomness #67 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35859)
Zephra's Random Banter of Ghostly Wailings, and Howling Fun#68 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36317)
Cobra Ikari's Random Banter #69 of Rampant Hugging, Guttermindedness, and ;-) Kinky. (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36977)
Scorpina's Random Banter #70 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37480)
Raistlin1040's Super Special Awesome Random Banter #71(Now with 20% more tacos) (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37824)
Uberblah's Random Banter #72 Of Caffeine And Sleep Deprivation Induced Randomness (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38225)
Lucky’s Random Banter #73 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38987)
Castaras's Random Banter #74 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37836)
D'anna Biers RB #75 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39495)
Zeb The Troll's RB#76 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39801)
Eldpollard's RB #77 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40128)
Gezina's and Calamity's Random banter #78 of double entendre and doom (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40410)
Random Banter #79 In Loving Memory of Hexa_Regina (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40909)
Zeratul's random banter #80 of throwing puppies off bridges (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41778)
Vespe's Random Banter #81 of singing dolphins and mostly harmless planets. (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43254)
CSK's Giant in the Playground Forums Addicted Anonymous, Random Banter #82 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44919)
Iames's Ramblingly Erratic Belldandy-Charged Random Banter #83 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=47592)
Serpentine's Scintillating Sensually and Sinuously Seductive Stochastic Satire #84 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49048)
Radikalskippy's Random Banter #85 of lost ideas and where to find them... (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50658)
Moon Called's Random Banter #86 of Sexy Anime Boys and Fangirl Squeals (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51825)
Lilly's Lovely Random Banter #87 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52783)
FdL's Fuzzbox-Fueled Random Banter #88 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54612)
SweetRein's Sugary Restrained Random Banter #89 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59668)
Midnight's Mutant Motorcycle Madness Random Banter #90 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=62430)
Em's Extremely Extraordinarily Epic Random Banter #91 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65645)
Dragonrider's Random Banter in Conjunction with the Weighted Cube #92 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67629)
Bushranger's Bodaciously Buffed Random Banter-y Rooster #93 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69425)
Haruki's Historically Hilarious Honey-covered Random Banter #94 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71161)
North's Maple Syrup Flavored Non-Alliterative Random Banter #95 Eh? (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=73464)
Wadledo's Weirdly Warbling Watercress Watching Washing Machine Only Random Banter #96 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=75946)
SMEE's Random Banter #97 of gender bending and closet bursting (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78694)
Raiser's Rambunctiously Rambling Random Banter #98 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=81626)
Dr. Bath's Random Banter, dripping with daring deeds of dastardly deipnosophists #99 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84068)
VOTE, the Democracy Demon's Devilishly Devious and Decidedly Diabolical Desultory Derision (Random Banter) #100 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84914)
Jack Squat's Justlessly Juxtaposed Random Banter #101 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=87577)
Dallas-Dakota's Dundering Dandelion's Devilish Damsel's Distress Random Banter #102 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4790602#post4790602)
Destro Yersul's Dangerously Distracting and Doubtlessly Disturbing Random Banter #103 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4903962#post4903962)
Aziraphales Actually Alliterative and Awesomely Affluent Random Banter #104 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=92718)
Cristo's Consistently Confusing and Constantly Casual Random Banter #105 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=94491)
Dish's Delightfully Deranged and Deliciously Deliquent Random Banter # 106 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=95905)
Slayer's Seemingly Sweet and Socially Silly Random Banter # 107 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=97703)
Zero's ambrosial and aberrantly adventitious, abstemiously erudite Random Banter #108 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=99100)
Coplantor's Completely Creative Cautious and Contemplative Random Banter #109 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=100414)
Rutskarn's Roly-Poly Rebellious and Rejected Random Banter #110 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=101156)
TwoBitWriter's Tubular Tracts of Thought-Talking Random Banter #111 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5600540#post5600540)
Phase's Phully Phormed, Phalangeal, and Phantasmagorical Random Banter #112 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=101988)
Wolfbane's Wonderfully Wacky and Wildly Wandom Random Banter #113 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=102865)
The Kiwi's Kinkily Knotted and Kookily Kickass Random Banter #114 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103674)
Jude's Judgmental Jugular Jab and Jibber Jabbery Random Banter #115 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=104480)
The Throne of Thufir's Thoroughly Theoretical and Therapeutic Random Banter #116 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105584)
Random Banter #117 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106698)
Dragonprime's Dynamically Dangerous Dextrous and Destructive Random Banter #118 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=107882)
Farmer Felix's Fantastic FRandom FBanter #119 (may contain traces of fnuts) (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=109007)
Groundhog's Random Banter of Weather Prediction and Anti-Gopherness (part one) (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=110963&page=50)
Groundhog's Random Banter of Weather Prediction and Anti-Gopherness (part two) (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=113197)
Mrmud's Mixed-Up and Minimally Mechanized Random Banter #121 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=114623)
Dogmantra's Dastardly, Despotic and Dangerous Random Banter #122 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=116660)
Alteran's Amazingly Anachronistic, Altruistic, and Antagonistic Random Banter #123 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=118380)
Admiral Euphoria's Random Banter Thread of Delusional Grandeur #124 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6614894)
Fred's Flying Fishy, Fighting, Fiery, Fantastic Face Off Random Banter #125 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=121385)
Cyrano’s Non-Alliterative Inaugurational Random Banter #126 To Usher In The Future (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=122977)
Thanatos's Tharmturges Present: Tropical, Tipsy, and Typically Random Banter #127
loopy's Legendary and Long-Awaited Lollipop Fuelled Random Banter #128 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=123816)
Shadow's Shady Shop of Sharks, Shingles, Shammies, Shiny and Random Banter #129 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125667)
KataraAltinaII's Premature Not So Short & To-The-Point Random Banter #130 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=126557)
Supagoof's Supa-Sensational Silly Symphonies Set Sizzingly On Fire Random Banter #131 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=128570)
Pyrian's Pyrotechnic Pyre of Pyrrhic Pyros with Pyrotic Pythics Random Banter #132! (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=130459)
Perenelle's Pleasantly Playful and Passionately Peculiar Random Banter #133 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=131814)
Rpgsr4me's Ravenous, Roaring, Raging Rampage of Random Banter #134 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7373844#post7373844)
Il'deav Ilah'naie's Indiscreet Intimacies on Indigo Iceboats Random Banter #135 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=134438)
Recaiden's Resplendent and Rotating Realistic Random Banter #136 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=136879)
Jibar's Random Banter #137: Return of the Cat-muffin (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=138879)
Edge's Effluence of Extravagant and Effulgent Random Banter #138 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7876065)
Zeb The Troll's Zecond Go At Ze Random Banter #139 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8061505&postcount=1)
Curly's Rambunctious and Erudite Random Banter #140 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=148462)
Deth Muncher's Destructive and Meandering Random Banter #141 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=150904)
A Thread in Which Banter Most Random is Expulsed Into Existence, By Ravens_cry #142 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8722755)
Several Silly Sealions Stuffed Seaweed Southward Swiftly (Or, Random Banter #143) (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=159998)
The thread that changed name one last time, with style. (Random Banter #144) (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=161407)
Banjo’s Bodacious & Boosted Bumper Bulletproof Box of Banter Most Random #145 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=162819)
Masa's Massively Masterful Message Medium - Random Banter #146 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=164224)
KuReshtin's Vociferously Ruminating Harbinger of Random Banter - #147 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=166664)
Archonic's Archaic Acronymical Antidisestablishmentarianism Random Banter - #148 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=169890)
Skeppio's Splendidly Strange & Superbly Scintillating Random Banter - #149 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=173056)
Teddy's Turbulent and Topicless Random Banter #150 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=175338)
Fifty-Eyed Fred's Ferociously Fanatical and Fabulously Fascinating Random Banter #151 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=178205)
Rae's Really Rascally and Ridiculously Rowdy Random Banter #152 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=181296)
Haruki's Hot n' Holy Random Banter #153 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=10176275#post10176275)
MoonCat's Magnificently Mythopoeic Random Banter #154 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=187576)
Eadin's Exchange of Extraterrestrial Excuses AKA Random Banter #155 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=190034)
Happy HalfTangible's Horrific Hail of Random Banter #156 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=10629167#post10629167)
AtlanteanTroll's Atrocious and Terrific Arcade of Terror - RB #157 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=196302)
LaLa’s Laughably Silly Random Banter Thread – RB #158 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=198767)
Zaydos's Zany Zooetic Random Banter - RB #159 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=200208)
Blue's Blessed and Blissful Random Banter - RB #160 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=201653)
Absolmorph's Azoic Arete of Adventitious and Aimless Random Banter - RB 161 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=202546)
Gwyn's Gloriously Green Garrumphing Garter of Garrulous Gabble! Random Banter #162 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=203954)
Eruantion's Euphoric, Elephant-filled Elevated Epoch of Eurhythmic Random Banter #163 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=205487)
ATW's Awesome Androgynous Avaricious Azure Ardent Adamant Alluvial Random Banter #164 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=207269)
Cynical Avocado's Absolutely Admirable Accumulation of Random Bantering #165 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=209860)
August's Pink Plushy and Phantasmagorically Random Banter Thread #166 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=212011)
Heliomance's Everchanging Thread Title Random Banter #167 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=213053)
Tragic_Comedian's Tremendously Tropical Random Banter #168 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=215180)
Qwertystop's Quickly Quilted, Quip-filled Random Banter #169 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=217326)
Thufir's Thupremely Thatithfying Thecond Random Banter With a Lithp #170 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=219654)
Feytalist's Fantastically Freakish First Random Banter #171 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=222713)
Dragonprime's Dashing Delight-fu Dazzling Dualistic Random Banter #172
Castaras' Random Banter #173: Bringing back your nostalgic Great Old Ones (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=229164)
Pokemon-freak89's Random Banter number eleventy-twelve... uhh... I mean... number 174 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=231235)
Dark Elf Bard's Random Banter #175:Playin' Underdark Jazz since the Drow went dark. (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=235950)
Mutant Sheep's Post Septaquintaquinquecentennial ApRiL fOoLs Random Banter: #176 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=238117)
Elemental's Excitingly Excellent Random Banter: No.CLXXVII (177) (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=13163770)
Amiel's Appeasingly Appropriate Arbitrary Amusement (Random Banter): No.CLXXVIII #178 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=245179)
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Comrade

2020-05-18, 02:47 PM

Shucks, just as I was workshopping alliterative thread title ideas.

PopeLinus1

2020-05-18, 02:53 PM

I think you're not giving yourself enough credit. You're aware enough to realize you needed to walk back what you said, that's more than I can say for some of the people I've interacted with.

The first step to getting better is to expect better of yourself.

Well sure. I'm not bad at noticing when I mess up, usually I'm to good, actually, and I end up constantly remembering that time four yeas ago when I did or said something that I'm certain is a sign that all of my friends are actually just pretending to like be and that actually- blah blah blah. It's... ugh.

The reason I say so much stupid stuff is because I always feel like I need to contribute something funny, or clever, but I'm not actually that funny or clever. Even though I'm aware of this fact, its effect on my behavior has been basically that I'll still say the same amount of useless garbage, and then I'll make a joke about how everything I have to say is just useless garbage and it's all just... exhausting.

DataNinja

2020-05-18, 02:55 PM

Last time, on Dragon Thread Z:

Heavy discussion, introspection, and commenting on the ability (or, rather, lack thereof) to change our bodies like avatars. Also guessing game. We now return to our session in progress. :smalltongue:

Shucks, just as I was workshopping alliterative thread title ideas.

Keep it in back pocket for next time. Most of the regulars've already done one in the last 50, so... :smallsmile:

LaZodiac

2020-05-18, 02:58 PM

Well sure. I'm not bad at noticing when I mess up, usually I'm to good, actually, and I end up constantly remembering that time four yeas ago when I did or said something that I'm certain is a sign that all of my friends are actually just pretending to like be and that actually- blah blah blah. It's... ugh.

The reason I say so much stupid stuff is because I always feel like I need to contribute something funny, or clever, but I'm not actually that funny or clever. Even though I'm aware of this fact, its effect on my behavior has been basically that I'll still say the same amount of useless garbage, and then I'll make a joke about how everything I have to say is just useless garbage and it's all just... exhausting.

Completely understandable, I get that sometimes too.

The first thing you need to do is kill that immediate reaction to be self-deprecating. It's hard to do, but once you stop getting distracted or hurt by your own self, you'll start to get a clearer picture of things.

Peelee

2020-05-18, 03:01 PM

Now, that’s a face that inspires trust in one’s leaders.
The shirt usually does it enough, but the face certainly helps.

Last time, on Dragon Thread Z:

Heavy discussion, introspection, and commenting on the ability (or, rather, lack thereof) to change our bodies like avatars. Also guessing game. We now return to our session in progress. :smalltongue:
Those changes are a bit easier for some....

PopeLinus1

2020-05-18, 03:02 PM

The shirt usually does it enough, but the face certainly helps.

Those changes are a bit easier for some....

Oh sure, rub it in.

DataNinja

2020-05-18, 03:22 PM

Those changes are a bit easier for some....

Join the digital world. We have lots of cookies. As well as a timeless quality. :smalltongue:

Anonymouswizard

2020-05-18, 03:26 PM

Last time, on Dragon Thread Z:

Heavy discussion, introspection, and commenting on the ability (or, rather, lack thereof) to change our bodies like avatars. Also guessing game. We now return to our session in progress. :smalltongue:

I'm honestly excited for the eventual point where cosmetic alterations which are expensive or impossible now are viable and cheap enough for those on living wages to be able to seriously consider them, ad for the later point where we can alter bodies much less invasively.

Bartmanhomer

2020-05-18, 03:32 PM

I'm making a lot of improvement with my movie reviews. :smile:

Fyraltari

2020-05-18, 03:46 PM

real world drinks and biscuits not included
Betrayal!

https://i.redd.it/zmhjyzs09evz.png

Peelee

2020-05-18, 03:47 PM

Join the digital world. We have lots of cookies. As well as a timeless quality. :smalltongue:

You say that now, but just wait 18 years....

Bonus points to whoever gets that reference. Heck, I'll even give a hint, it'll be January.

DataNinja

2020-05-18, 04:09 PM

You say that now, but just wait 18 years....
Is that your final guess? :smallwink:

(Also, yes, it very much matters the art when it comes to determining how things age.)

Peelee

2020-05-18, 04:15 PM

Is that your final guess? :smallwink:

(Also, yes, it very much matters the art when it comes to determining how things age.)

Things like UNIX?:smallamused:

C'mon, I'm practically advertising it now!

Bartmanhomer

2020-05-18, 04:42 PM

How about this: "I prefer to date cis-woman." There nothing transphobic about that statement right? :confused:

el minster

2020-05-18, 07:06 PM

"I prefer to date cis-woman." :confused:

what does this mean?

PopeLinus1

2020-05-18, 07:23 PM

what does this mean?

Are you asking what the word cis means?

Bartmanhomer

2020-05-18, 07:37 PM

what does this mean?

A gender that was assigned at birth.

Anonymouswizard

2020-05-18, 07:49 PM

A gender that was assigned at birth.

Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeh

A better definition would be 'a person who identifies and presents as the gender that doctors assigned them at birth'.

I'm ignoring intersex people because the world hasn't decided how to deal with recording their gender, although I have one friend who's birth certificate doesn't specify their gender (although they do have an official gender, because apparently that's important for some reason). I'm also ignoring other parts of gender theory to reduce this to a cis/not cis binary, and this could all get really complicated.

I'm off to bed before I start insisting that all birth certificates should list gender as 'magic 8 ball'*.

* Reply hazy, ask again later.

PopeLinus1

2020-05-18, 07:52 PM

Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeh

A better definition would be 'a person who identifies and presents as the gender that doctors assigned them at birth'.

I'm ignoring intersex people because the world hasn't decided how to deal with recording their gender, although I have one friend who's birth certificate doesn't specify their gender (although they do have an official gender, because apparently that's important for some reason). I'm also ignoring other parts of gender theory to reduce this to a cis/not cis binary, and this could all get really complicated.

I'm off to bed before I start insisting that all birth certificates should list gender as 'magic 8 ball'*.

* Reply hazy, ask again later.

Well call my luck bad because if there's one thing I like, it's breaking gender.

el minster

2020-05-18, 07:57 PM

i think i understand but why do we have to talk about homosexuality?

How about this: "I prefer to date cis-woman." There nothing transphobic about that statement right? :confused:

it implies that yo don't wat to date homosexuals thus they are inferior

oh dang i posted twice in a row again how do i fix that

k i think i fixed it

PopeLinus1

2020-05-18, 08:03 PM

ah i believe i understand now but why do we have to talk about homosexuality

Well, actually, we're talking trans, cis and non-binary people,none of whom are necessarily homosexual. While trans people are considered a part of the LGBTQIA+ community, the more broad term for all of the community would be queer.

And also, we don't have to talk about homosexuality, but homosexuals are cool and very gay, so I personally am up for that conversation. If you'd like, you can talk about something else though.

el minster

2020-05-18, 08:05 PM

i dont mind so much but this is the only place people respond quickly

if you are male why do you have a female avatar?

DataNinja

2020-05-18, 08:20 PM

People can enjoy the aesthetics of things that they don't necessarily identify with. It's strange. People question gender, but they don't question "why is your avatar a wizard if you aren't one?" or "why is your avatar an elf when you aren't one" or whatever. :smalltongue:

The Fury

2020-05-18, 08:24 PM

And also, we don't have to talk about homosexuality, but homosexuals are cool and very gay, so I personally am up for that conversation. If you'd like, you can talk about something else though.

A lot of discussion is around personal experience, and for some of us personal experience is pretty gay...

Also, hi new thread. I was told that I could get a free cup of tea?

el minster

2020-05-18, 08:29 PM

PopeLinus1

2020-05-18, 08:42 PM

i dont mind so much but this is the only place people respond quickly

if you are male why do you have a female avatar?

????????????????????????????????????????????????

My avatar is a dude? I don't know what you're going on about.

Bartmanhomer

2020-05-18, 08:43 PM

i think i understand but why do we have to talk about homosexuality?

it implies that yo don't wat to date homosexuals thus they are inferior

oh dang i posted twice in a row again how do i fix that

k i think i fixed it
I didn't say that homosexuals we're inferior. Those are your words. I only prefer to date with different gender which I'm not really attracted to my same gender. :annoyed:

The Fury

2020-05-18, 08:47 PM

I didn't say that homosexuals we're inferior. Those are your words. I only prefer to date with different gender which I'm not really attracted to my same gender. :annoyed:

Hey man, I think you're alright. At worst, I still think it's pretty clear that you mean well.

PopeLinus1

2020-05-18, 08:52 PM

Hey man, I think you're alright. At worst, I still think it's pretty clear that you mean well.

I agree. My assessment of Bartmanhomer is that he really does try to be nice, but I don't think he understands this subject very well, and he sometimes isn't very tactful about things?

Although I have no serious complaints, he is wonderful, and a gift upon this forum.

el minster

2020-05-18, 09:21 PM

I didn't say that homosexuals we're inferior. Those are your words. I only prefer to date with different gender which I'm not really attracted to my same gender. :annoyed:
{scrubbed}

Bartmanhomer

2020-05-18, 09:27 PM

{scrub the post, scrub the quote}

Ok moving on. I've been working my own solo D&D 3.5 game for quite a while now and I'm still working on my characters.

el minster

2020-05-18, 09:31 PM

Ok moving on. I've been working my own solo D&D 3.5 game for quite a while now and I'm still working on my characters.

cool! what are they I play 3.5 too maybe I can help you.

Bartmanhomer

2020-05-18, 09:53 PM

cool! what are they I play 3.5 too maybe I can help you.

It about a romantic male lesser grow cleric of Ellistraee who got a girlfriend who's a female lesser drow warblade who he cheated with a female elf wizard but they don't know about it.

el minster

2020-05-18, 10:00 PM

It about a romantic male lesser grow cleric of Ellistraee who got a girlfriend who's a female lesser drow warblade who he cheated with a female elf wizard but they don't know about it.

is there action?

Bartmanhomer

2020-05-18, 10:37 PM

is there action?

What do you mean? :confused:

el minster

2020-05-18, 10:49 PM

What do you mean? :confused:

fighting, death, and sensless violence ;)

Bartmanhomer

2020-05-18, 10:56 PM

fighting, death, and sensless violence ;)

Of course. It's D&D 3.5 :tongue:

el minster

2020-05-18, 11:04 PM

anyways you'll probobaly know anything I tell you

Bartmanhomer

2020-05-18, 11:07 PM

anyways you'll probobaly know anything I tell you

Well the whole campaign is about fighting against the church of Lolth.

el minster

2020-05-19, 12:02 AM

sounds fun, I had fun with a monstrous spider with a Lolth related template once.

Bartmanhomer

2020-05-19, 12:34 AM

sounds fun, I had fun with a monstrous spider with a Lolth related template once.

Ah the good old drider. I'm thinking of using that template. :biggrin:

el minster

2020-05-19, 12:41 AM

It was the Lolth Touched template actually I think.

Liquor Box

2020-05-19, 12:50 AM

How about this: "I prefer to date cis-woman." There nothing transphobic about that statement right? :confused:

There was a fair old argument in this forum about whether that (the sentiment rather than the statement) was transphobic a few years ago.

factotum

2020-05-19, 01:07 AM

There was a fair old argument in this forum about whether that (the sentiment rather than the statement) was transphobic a few years ago.

Um, why? If I say that I personally prefer a nice steak to a nut cutlet, I'm not automatically saying that vegetarians are bad and should feel bad, so I'm not sure why this would be any different?

LaZodiac

2020-05-19, 01:19 AM

el minster

2020-05-19, 01:28 AM

The nice gets offended that you don't eat it

Fyraltari

2020-05-19, 01:29 AM

Also, hi new thread. I was told that I could get a free cup of tea?
We were deceived!

????????????????????????????????????????????????

My avatar is a dude? I don't know what you're going on about.
On phone people’s avatar reset to a ‘stick-avatar’ which in your case has noticeable breasts.

el minster

2020-05-19, 01:34 AM

On phone people’s avatar reset to a ‘stick-avatar’ which in your case has noticeable breasts.

This is what I was talking about kinglinus1
Fyraltari, I hear you are wise. Thanks for the support.

Fyraltari

2020-05-19, 01:52 AM

Fyraltari, I hear you are wise.
Someone lied to you, mate.

Anonymouswizard

2020-05-19, 01:54 AM

Human beings aren't food, is the big difference there.

True, but I guess strength is important? I mean, it's okay to say 'I find trans-women attractive' but not to say 'I refuse to date cis-men'.

I mean, it's certainly discrimination to refuse to date trans people. But is it worse than somebody who refuses to date people with dyed hair? I'm really not sure, to me they both sound a bit silly.

el minster

2020-05-19, 01:57 AM

True, but I guess strength is important? I mean, it's okay to say 'I find trans-women attractive' but not to say 'I refuse to date cis-men'.

I mean, it's certainly discrimination to refuse to date trans people. But is it worse than somebody who refuses to date people with dyed hair? I'm really not sure, to me they both sound a bit silly.

hair can be changed easily good night

DataNinja

2020-05-19, 02:15 AM

hair can be changed easily good night

I mean if someone refuses to date me because I have pink hair, then, sorry, tough luck, buddy. :smallamused:

(Also, Anony, since nobody else guessed, you were a little high with your guess - twenty-two was the number of the day.)

Anonymouswizard

2020-05-19, 02:27 AM

I mean if someone refuses to date me because I have pink hair, then, sorry, tough luck, buddy. :smallamused:

(Also, Anony, since nobody else guessed, you were a little high with your guess - twenty-two was the number of the day.)

And they'd be missing out on a lot because of their intolerance :smallwink:

(And to be fair, when it comes to twenties, it's hard to tell the beginning from the end.)

el minster

2020-05-19, 02:29 AM

look not at the jar but at what it contains

Liquor Box

2020-05-19, 03:12 AM

Um, why? If I say that I personally prefer a nice steak to a nut cutlet, I'm not automatically saying that vegetarians are bad and should feel bad, so I'm not sure why this would be any different?

As I recall there were actually two arguments.

On one occasion the argument was that a fully transitioned person is indistinguishable (incl when naked) from a cis-gendered person of the the gender they transitioned to, and therefore the only possible reason for not wanting them was transphobia (thinking of them as not actually a man/woman). That they obviously cannot perform the reproductive functions of the gender they identify as did come up, but I don't recall what answer was given.

The second, more extreme argument was, that the sexual rejection of even pre-transition trans persons was transphobic. So, for example, a straight man who did not desire male to female trans with male genitalia was transphobic. I think the argument was that it is transphobic to consider genitalia a defining feature of gender, and that claiming to be attracted to a sex rather than a gender identity was just a way of disguising ones transphobia.

In both cases the counter-argument (which I tend to agree with) was as you say in your post. People can have preferences in their sexual partners that do not imply phobia or prejudice toward those not preferred - with analogies drawn to preferring a certain hair colour, or taller /shorter etc.

DataNinja

2020-05-19, 03:19 AM

And they'd be missing out on a lot because of their intolerance :smallwink:

(And to be fair, when it comes to twenties, it's hard to tell the beginning from the end.)

You're too kind. On both fronts. :smallwink:
(It's not often that I'm mistaken for older, though, admittedly. I tend to have people think I'm still in high school, which is... frustrating.)

Anonymouswizard

2020-05-19, 03:32 AM

So, for example, a straight man who did not desire male to female trans with male genitalia was transphobic.

Is it wrong that I find this icky? Like, not pre-surgery trans people, but the idea of somebody's genitals being a turn off? I mean, if I'm attracted to somebody I do like to know what they have (cue awkward attempt to work out of they're okay with me asking without asking if they're okay with me asking), but I'm not going to be turned off of I find that a potential boyfriend has inwards man parts.

Like, I kind of get it, but it still icks me out?

Although I'm also that person who'll day that trans people have the genitals if their gender even before surgery. Because I don't see why steeples have to be male and valleys have to be female. Sure, they're commonly owned by such people, but it's not really an exclusive relationship.

Liquor Box

2020-05-19, 03:39 AM

Is it wrong that I find this icky? Like, not pre-surgery trans people, but the idea of somebody's genitals being a turn off? I mean, if I'm attracted to somebody I do like to know what they have (cue awkward attempt to work out of they're okay with me asking without asking if they're okay with me asking), but I'm not going to be turned off of I find that a potential boyfriend has inwards man parts.

Like, I kind of get it, but it still icks me out?

Although I'm also that person who'll day that trans people have the genitals if their gender even before surgery. Because I don't see why steeples have to be male and valleys have to be female. Sure, they're commonly owned by such people, but it's not really an exclusive relationship.

Are you asking me?

No, I don't think it's wrong - I think you (or anyone else) can find whatever you want to be icky. But just because you find it icky doesn't mean there's anything wrong with it. We are all allowed our preferences, and just like people are entitled to prefer a particular type of genitals, people (like you) are entitled to prefer people who don't find any set of genitals a turn off. I suspect the former preference is much more common, but that doesn't invalidate your preference.

BisectedBrioche

2020-05-19, 04:43 AM

Hmm, I missed a discussion of trans issues and a shiny new thread.

I need to check in on this forum more than once a day.

DataNinja

2020-05-19, 04:47 AM

Preeetty sure you didn't miss it. :smalltongue:
(Though, I do seem to recall this particular train of conversation getting fairly... heated in the past, so feels like proceeding with discretion is important. We don't want a one-day lock. That'd probably be a RB record.) :smallwink:

LaZodiac

2020-05-19, 08:33 AM

Is it wrong that I find this icky? Like, not pre-surgery trans people, but the idea of somebody's genitals being a turn off? I mean, if I'm attracted to somebody I do like to know what they have (cue awkward attempt to work out of they're okay with me asking without asking if they're okay with me asking), but I'm not going to be turned off of I find that a potential boyfriend has inwards man parts.

Like, I kind of get it, but it still icks me out?

Although I'm also that person who'll day that trans people have the genitals if their gender even before surgery. Because I don't see why steeples have to be male and valleys have to be female. Sure, they're commonly owned by such people, but it's not really an exclusive relationship.

This is the correct behavior to have.

Someone's gender is not the same as "dyed hair" or "a piercing" and anyone who tells you that fails to understand trans people in general.

To put it bluntly, if you're dating someone who is trans but pre-surgery (or doesn't want to do surgery for personal/medical reasons), it IS discriminatory to cut them off because "well they haven't had surgery yet, I can't **** them". Whether it comes off as bigoted or not depends on how much of an ass you are when you bring up that it's a deal breaker for you. But really, like Anon Wizard up there (again, CORRECTLY) says... if you love them why does it matter? If they mean anything to you at all, you'll learn to get past your issues. And if you don't... well, you don't have to have sex every date, you insatiable horn dog. This continues to be a you problem, hypothetical person who would date a trans person.

PopeLinus1

2020-05-19, 10:47 AM

Just a heads up, guys, I emember that argument, and I remembe the thread getting shut down for a while because of it so... uh... maybe we should all be careful here?

LaZodiac

2020-05-19, 10:50 AM

Yeah, gonna switch topics.

Good news; my dietician phone-appointment will be June 2nd. So that's cool, I suppose.

Anonymouswizard

2020-05-19, 10:58 AM

Yeah, gonna switch topics.

Guess I should get back to writing that Data/Zodi thinly veiled erotica adventure story fanfic. I'm sure another bought of down amnesia would make it more believable :smalltongue:

BisectedBrioche

2020-05-19, 11:08 AM

I've finally given my twitch channel its first emoji. (https://twitter.com/BisectedBrioche/status/1262769677278883840)

Does this make me a content creator now? :smalltongue:

DataNinja

2020-05-19, 12:46 PM

Good news; my dietician phone-appointment will be June 2nd. So that's cool, I suppose.
Yay! That's not too long, and I hope that goes over well. :smallsmile:

Guess I should get back to writing that Data/Zodi thinly veiled erotica adventure story fanfic. I'm sure another bought of down amnesia would make it more believable :smalltongue:

...hoooold on. Where did this come from? :smalltongue:

I've finally given my twitch channel its first emoji. (https://twitter.com/BisectedBrioche/status/1262769677278883840)

Does this make me a content creator now? :smalltongue:

...making any content is what makes you a content creator. Even before the emote. But you seem bready to face what comes now. :smallwink:

PopeLinus1

2020-05-19, 12:52 PM

...hoooold on. Where did this come from? :smalltongue:

The heart.

Anonymouswizard

2020-05-19, 01:18 PM

...hoooold on. Where did this come from? :smalltongue:

The same place all such poorly written works originate in, the mind of a teenager :smallwink:

I mean, if you wanted I could try writing erotica, but it would be laughably bad and inaccurate. What I'm actually working on right now is some Doctor Who fan fiction, because I'm suffering writer's block in all my original projects.

...making any content is what makes you a content creator. Even before the emote. But you seem bready to face what comes now. :smallwink:

And apparently finishing stuff makes you a creative, I should work on that.

DataNinja

2020-05-19, 01:44 PM

The same place all such poorly written works originate in, the mind of a teenager :smallwink:

I mean, if you wanted I could try writing erotica, but it would be laughably bad and inaccurate. What I'm actually working on right now is some Doctor Who fan fiction, because I'm suffering writer's block in all my original projects.

On the one hand, in this hypothetical, it's flattering that you think I'd be interesting enough to be a character... but on the other hand, writing things about real people is just... kinda weird. :smalltongue:

Anonymouswizard

2020-05-19, 01:53 PM

On the one hand, in this hypothetical, it's flattering that you think I'd be interesting enough to be a character... but on the other hand, writing things about real people is just... kinda weird. :smalltongue:

You have much more depth than most of my characters :smallwink:

Yeah, it's a fun joke to make but I wouldn't want to write something like that for those reasons. Still, I think you'd make a great heroine :smallsmile:

DataNinja

2020-05-19, 02:16 PM

You have much more depth than most of my characters :smallwink:

Yeah, it's a fun joke to make but I wouldn't want to write something like that for those reasons. Still, I think you'd make a great heroine :smallsmile:
Ahahahaha. Flattering, but, no. I am an abject coward about most things and prefer to stay in my rut rather than rocking the boat. I very much am not an interesting person. :smalltongue:

el minster

2020-05-19, 02:27 PM

PopeLinus1

2020-05-19, 02:49 PM

All people are intresting once you get to know them.

You'd be surprised. Plenty of people know me, and yet none of them have anything about about me they're interested in.

Anonymouswizard

2020-05-19, 03:03 PM

Ahahahaha. Flattering, but, no. I am an abject coward about most things and prefer to stay in my rut rather than rocking the boat. I very much am not an interesting person. :smalltongue:

Is there someone else you let use your account? Because I'm sure I saw an interesting person behind it.

You're not the only person with courage issues around here. Have you seen how much prodding I need to ask somebody out?

SZbNAhL

2020-05-19, 03:25 PM

DataNinja

2020-05-19, 03:30 PM

Is there someone else you let use your account? Because I'm sure I saw an interesting person behind it.

You're not the only person with courage issues around here. Have you seen how much prodding I need to ask somebody out?
Nope, 'tis me and only me. The internet probably makes me seem more interesting than I am, because you only see a slice. :smalltongue:

And touché. I very much feel that.

Oh hey, new thread, controversial discussions, good times. I can't stay and chat because my thesis is due tomorrow (and that's my third extension), but thanks nonetheless for the cuppa. May I take a custard cream for the road? Ta very much.
Oh, good luck with it!

Anonymouswizard

2020-05-19, 03:37 PM

Nope, 'tis me and only me. The internet probably makes me seem more interesting than I am, because you only see a slice. :smalltongue:

And touché. I very much feel that.

I still feel that you're selling yourself short, but we should probably stop this before I end up hitting on you.

Ad I'm many people here can have the empathies with it.

Also, go thesis! Don't forget, in case of all-nighter you can get special IV tea.

Sermil

2020-05-19, 03:38 PM

Oh hey, new thread, controversial discussions, good times. I can't stay and chat because my thesis is due tomorrow (and that's my third extension), but thanks nonetheless for the cuppa. May I take a custard cream for the road? Ta very much.

So glad I only got a Bachelors. Even if it makes my in-laws think I'm hideously under-educated.

(It's OK, I was never going to be good enough for their daughter anyways. But somehow I still managed to produce 100% perfect children.)

PopeLinus1

2020-05-19, 03:56 PM

I still feel that you're selling yourself short, but we should probably stop this before I end up hitting on you.

*leans back, grabs popcorn*

I want this to happen so much.

LaZodiac

2020-05-19, 04:00 PM

DataNinja is wonderful and cool and definitely my type but I have a girlfriend and think it's better to stay that way.

Still this was a pleasantly hilarious conversation to see play out while I'm having a rough time of things.

Mith

2020-05-19, 04:01 PM

So glad I only got a Bachelors. Even if it makes my in-laws think I'm hideously under-educated.

(It's OK, I was never going to be good enough for their daughter anyways. But somehow I still managed to produce 100% perfect children.)

Children are always perfect.

Sometimes they are perfect little ****s, but they are still perfect.

Peelee

2020-05-19, 04:07 PM

I still feel that you're selling yourself short, but we should probably stop this before I end up hitting on you.
I just assume all people are hitting on me at all times. It makes sense, and saves time.

So glad I only got a Bachelors. Even if it makes my in-laws think I'm hideously under-educated.

(It's OK, I was never going to be good enough for their daughter anyways. But somehow I still managed to produce 100% perfect children.)
I'm sure they wouldn't say that was entirely your wife's doing.:smalltongue:

PopeLinus1

2020-05-19, 04:12 PM

I just assume all people are hitting on me at all times. It makes sense, and saves time

You are very good at making correct assumptions.

Anonymouswizard

2020-05-19, 04:17 PM

I just assume all people are hitting on me at all times. It makes sense, and saves time.

Look, okay, if I get through an entire day without hitting on someone it's a bad day.

DataNinja

2020-05-19, 04:41 PM

I still feel that you're selling yourself short, but we should probably stop this before I end up hitting on you.
Don't worry, I wouldn't notice. :smalltongue:

*leans back, grabs popcorn*

I want this to happen so much.
As is usual, I'd be a disappointment in that, not noticing anything. :smallamused:

DataNinja is wonderful and cool and definitely my type but I have a girlfriend and think it's better to stay that way.

Still this was a pleasantly hilarious conversation to see play out while I'm having a rough time of things.
I'd be concerned if you thought that it wasn't better to stay with your girlfriend. She is a good. Glad that we could make you laugh, though. (Even if I can't really take the credit. :smalltongue: )

I just assume all people are hitting on me at all times. It makes sense, and saves time.
That feels like it'd just make things awkward. :smallamused:

Look, okay, if I get through an entire day without hitting on someone it's a bad day.
Step 1, go camping... :smallwink:

Anonymouswizard

2020-05-19, 04:44 PM

Don't worry, I wouldn't notice. :smalltongue:

Shame, I like it when the attractive interesting people notice.

Step 1, go camping... :smallwink:

You offering? Because I could really do with a holiday right now :smallwink:

Should probably use a tent with multiple divisions, so people don't get the wrong idea.

el minster

2020-05-19, 04:44 PM

You'd be surprised. Plenty of people know me, and yet none of them have anything about about me they're interested in.

It depends on what you find interesting.

PopeLinus1

2020-05-19, 04:48 PM

You offering? Because I could really do with a holiday right now :smallwink:

Should probably use a tent with multiple divisions, so people don't get the wrong idea.

And also because social distancing right?

...Please take me with you on your camping trip.

DataNinja

2020-05-19, 04:59 PM

Shame, I like it when the attractive interesting people notice.
Then go look for some. :smalltongue:

You offering? Because I could really do with a holiday right now :smallwink:

Should probably use a tent with multiple divisions, so people don't get the wrong idea.
I meant more that camping alone would probably be a good way to enjoy yourself while also being away from everything that could get you to hit on someone. :smallamused:

(Come to think of it, it really has been ages since I went camping. Ever since our family had a bit of a falling-out with the family that we always went with, back in, like... middle school.)

LaZodiac

2020-05-19, 05:02 PM

I'd be concerned if you thought that it wasn't better to stay with your girlfriend. She is a good. Glad that we could make you laugh, though. (Even if I can't really take the credit. :smalltongue: )

Step 1, go camping... :smallwink:

She is the best and I love her~

Also **** I gotta cook some chicken tonight. Gonna fry up some chicken with pineapple.

Anonymouswizard

2020-05-19, 05:13 PM

Then go look for some. :smalltongue:

I heared there were multiple examples in this thread, including two pink-haired interesting attractive people. Although apparently one has been taken or something? No clue where to. Mexico?

I meant more that camping alone would probably be a good way to enjoy yourself while also being away from everything that could get you to hit on someone. :smallamused:

(Come to think of it, it really has been ages since I went camping. Ever since our family had a bit of a falling-out with the family that we always went with, back in, like... middle school.)

Oh sure, but that doesn't let me imply stuff.

I might have like an actual date lined up for when plague times end. Nothing serious, but like coffee and nature date.

Peelee

2020-05-19, 05:17 PM

That feels like it'd just make things awkward. :smallamused:

Oh, not at all. I'm taken, so I just mentally reject everyone. I choose to let 'em down nicely, of course.

PopeLinus1

2020-05-19, 05:22 PM

I heared there were multiple examples in this thread, including two pink-haired interesting attractive people. Although apparently one has been taken or something? No clue where to. Mexico?

Oh sure, but that doesn't let me imply stuff.

I might have like an actual date lined up for when plague times end. Nothing serious, but like coffee and nature date.

I heard there was a very attractive wizard on this thread, but unfortunately, I never caught their name.

el minster

2020-05-19, 05:23 PM

Oh, not at all. I'm taken, so I just mentally reject everyone. I choise to let 'em down nicely, of course.

That's awfully nice of you.

Insane Jeenyus

2020-05-19, 05:59 PM

Wow, I blinked, and there is a new thread, and on page two.

Well, there was a convo about hair, and I am just going to say I am sporting a 13+ " pony tail from the base of my hair line.

dang, having troubles.

DataNinja

2020-05-19, 06:05 PM

She is the best and I love her~

Also **** I gotta cook some chicken tonight. Gonna fry up some chicken with pineapple.
Again, would be concerned if she wasn't. :smallwink:

Enjoy! I really only like pineapple when it's on pizza. Too strong otherwise. I like to eat my food, I don't like it trying to eat me. :smalltongue:

I heared there were multiple examples in this thread, including two pink-haired interesting attractive people. Although apparently one has been taken or something? No clue where to. Mexico?
...there are more pink-haired people? Where? I'd like to meet them. :smalltongue:

Oh sure, but that doesn't let me imply stuff.
Okay, fair. :smallamused:

I might have like an actual date lined up for when plague times end. Nothing serious, but like coffee and nature date.
Noice! Congrats! Hope it goes well.

Oh, not at all. I'm taken, so I just mentally reject everyone. I choose to let 'em down nicely, of course.
Oh, pffffft. Fair enough, I guess.

BisectedBrioche

2020-05-19, 06:26 PM

I'd be pink haired, if it wasn't so expensive to maintain.

PopeLinus1

2020-05-19, 06:29 PM

I'd be pink haired, if it wasn't so expensive to maintain.

Plenty of my frineds keep trying to get me to let them do my hair, but I think it's actually just because they want me to look like their favorite anime characters.

DataNinja

2020-05-19, 06:38 PM

I'd be pink haired, if it wasn't so expensive to maintain.

Yeah, I get it done through my uni, and it's nearly 200 bucks after all the bleaching's involved, too. (Sure wish I had blonde hair so I could skip the step.) So, do my best to keep it fresh as long as possible... usually can stretch it reasonably out to about four-ish months, being diligent.

Plenty of my frineds keep trying to get me to let them do my hair, but I think it's actually just because they want me to look like their favorite anime characters.

Also, you never manage to get the anime look down, unfortunately... I love the hairs of some of those girls, but, man, unrealistic hair standards. :smallamused:

el minster

2020-05-19, 06:51 PM

Sounds expensive!

Peelee

2020-05-19, 07:29 PM

Im pink-haired!

Of course, I'm also colorblind, so that's only true from a certain point of view.

el minster

2020-05-19, 07:34 PM

Im pink-haired!

Of course, I'm also colorblind, so that's only true from a certain point of view.

really???????

DataNinja

2020-05-19, 07:47 PM

really???????

Yes, he is colourblind, but the joke is that he can't tell if he's pink-haired or not.

{Scrubbed}

el minster

2020-05-19, 07:52 PM

Yes, he is colourblind, but the joke is that he can't tell if he's pink-haired or not.

Scrub the post, scrub the quote.

Sorry, I had no other words.

Qwertystop

2020-05-19, 07:52 PM

My hair's black, curly, and I'm trying to grow it out. Don't want to color it because there's no easy way back from that.

Insane Jeenyus

2020-05-19, 10:33 PM

Aha, now I remember how I did this .. .. .. Some have shown pics of themselves here, so I will post mine.

https://scontent-sjc3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/p720x720/99081141_3284386404919536_4830528535032496128_o.jp g?_nc_cat=105&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=h96VvVZuSu4AX8g6xZh&_nc_ht=scontent-sjc3-1.xx&_nc_tp=6&oh=9477585bd82ab41fc9cfa63faba8f4b1&oe=5EE981B2

Peelee

2020-05-19, 10:36 PM

Bartmanhomer

2020-05-19, 11:42 PM

My reason was why I love being Chaotic Neutral. Well, there's no authority, rules stink, everything should be disorganized and randomness. Pure anarchy and disorder. A balance of good and neutral as long as it is chaotic. And that's my reason why I love being Chaotic Neutral.

Peelee

2020-05-19, 11:51 PM

Bartmanhomer

2020-05-19, 11:54 PM

Chaotic does not mean disorganized and random - at least, not in the 3.5 alignment system.

Ok, random I understand but disorganized??? How disorganized not chaotic? :confused:

Peelee

2020-05-20, 12:06 AM

Ok, random I understand but disorganized??? How disorganized not chaotic? :confused:

Because that's not how the game system describes Chaos. It seems like you're thinking about "chaos" in the dictionary definition sense, and not in the game mechanic sense.

Lawfullness is more rigid, traditional, needs of the many outweigh needs of the few. Chaos is more flexible, adaptable, focused on individual rights. Mr. Spock was Lawful, while Doctor McCoy was Chaotic.

"Disorganized" is a character's personality trait. Alignment is a shorthand description of a character's perceived morals. You can have a very organized Chaotic character and a very disorganized Lawful character, because organizational skills have no bearing on alignment.

el minster

2020-05-20, 12:13 AM

I think he's talking about extreme chaos.

Bartmanhomer

2020-05-20, 12:15 AM

Because that's not how the game system describes Chaos. It seems like you're thinking about "chaos" in the dictionary definition sense, and not in the game mechanic sense.

Lawfullness is more rigid, traditional, needs of the many outweigh needs of the few. Chaos is more flexible, adaptable, focused on individual rights. Mr. Spock was Lawful, while Doctor McCoy was Chaotic.

"Disorganized" is a character's personality trait. Alignment is a shorthand description of a character's perceived morals. You can have a very organized Chaotic character and a very disorganized Lawful character, because organizational skills have no bearing on alignment.

Really? I didn't know that. :eek:

BisectedBrioche

2020-05-20, 07:05 AM

Oddly enough, a friend of mine mentioned I'd look great with blue hair today.

Hmm...

Peelee

2020-05-20, 07:54 AM

Really? I didn't know that. :eek:

If you have the core rulebooks, they will explain the alignment system for that system.

Aotrs Commander

2020-05-20, 08:47 AM

It is also worth repeating that D&D's attempt to try and fit the entire breadth and variety of the entirity of all individuals across the spectrum of all sapient/sentient creatures of that did, does, can or might exist into the nine conveniant pidgeon-holes was a futile endeavour (as evidenced by every single discussion on placing an alignment on a non-D&D character or person has ever shown). D&D's alignment is a prescriptive, not descriptive system that works better the less attention you actually pay to it.

(The fact that I personally actually DO fit into ones of those holes 99% of the time merely proves that a stopped clock is right twice a day.)

3.x's attempt to make it more mechanically import was well-meaning (and functional enough that even I have not been arsed to remove it from 3.Aotrs), but was, I suspect, more counter-productive in the long run and I think 4E (and 5E, I think?) stepping away from it was a sounder decision in hindsight.

(I mean, notice how the majority of other systems don't want or need it; off-hand, I can only think of Warhammer FRP (1st edition) that even had it. Rolemaster, at best, had some "Evil spell lists" for some professions and made some oblique references to it in RMCIII in the description of the sleuth profession and that was about it.)

factotum

2020-05-20, 09:17 AM

PopeLinus1

2020-05-20, 10:11 AM

Not to mention, they had to try and make it so every one of the nine alignments was equally valid, so a Chaotic Evil adventurer has to be just as able to function in society as a Lawful Good one...which really doesn't make a lot of sense if you think carefully about it.

Well, that's not as unrealistic as you might think.

I mean, I do fine.

Aedilred

2020-05-20, 10:24 AM

(I mean, notice how the majority of other systems don't want or need it; off-hand, I can only think of Warhammer FRP (1st edition) that even had it. Rolemaster, at best, had some "Evil spell lists" for some professions and made some oblique references to it in RMCIII in the description of the sleuth profession and that was about it.)

And the alignment system in WFRP1 is notorious among its players for being ditched within, in most cases, minutes of discovering its existence. If I remember rightly, it was a less "sophisticated" system than D&D (linear rather than biaxial) but it also added nothing to the game or, really, the setting.

Which in some ways is a shame, at least on the Law/Chaos axis. That was a period where the Law gods, the direct counterpart to the Chaos gods, were still openly kicking about. Throwing out the whole good/evil business and focussing on Law vs Chaos as the important cosmic forces could have been interesting. But they never really did much work on developing the forces of Law as their own thing, they fell into the background, and we just ended up with "Chaos = Evil"... and all too frequently, "Evil = Chaos" instead. Never mind.

I think alignment or some variation on it was generally more common in older generations of RPGs, though, back in the 70s and early 80s. And, of course, FATAL had it.

Fyraltari

2020-05-20, 10:25 AM

Aotrs Commander

2020-05-20, 10:31 AM

And the alignment system in WFRP1 is notorious among its players for being ditched within, in most cases, minutes of discovering its existence. If I remember rightly, it was a less "sophisticated" system than D&D (linear rather than biaxial) but it also added nothing to the game or, really, the setting.

Which in some ways is a shame, at least on the Law/Chaos axis. That was a period where the Law gods, the direct counterpart to the Chaos gods, were still openly kicking about. Throwing out the whole good/evil business and focussing on Law vs Chaos as the important cosmic forces could have been interesting. But they never really did much work on developing the forces of Law as their own thing, they fell into the background, and we just ended up with "Chaos = Evil"... and all too frequently, "Evil = Chaos" instead. Never mind.

Not only that, but the Law aspects were ALSO frequently Evil as well. It was basically pointless in the main.

Jasdoif

2020-05-20, 11:42 AM

If you have the core rulebooks, they will explain the alignment system for that system.None of the ones I've read do a particularly good job talking about Law and Chaos, though. To get a more thorough treatment, I'd recommend WotC's 3.5 article on the subject (http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/sg/20050325a), followed by some of the Giant's posts about it (and alignment in general).

....the D&D definition of Lawful has little to nothing to do with law enforcement. To think that Lawful always means "obeying the written law" is a gross misunderstanding of the D&D definition of the term.

For example, think of formal duels—the "pistols at dawn" kind. Such events are undoubtedly Lawful affairs—they have strict codes, elaborate rules, and concern themselves mostly with symbolic honor. All hallmarks of Lawful behavior when contrasted with, say, a drunken brawl. However, at the time Aaron Burr shot Hamilton, they were illegal in the United States. People who participated in such duels were abiding by a formal code of ethics and behavior that was in opposition to democratically passed law. Lawful behavior can be made illegal in a given jurisdiction, but that doesn't spontaneously change the nature of the act in a cosmological sense.

I've used this example before, but if a paladin walks into the orc's swamp to do battle, he is not suddenly bound to obey the Orc King's laws or lose his paladinhood. It is entirely possible to have a code that you believe supersedes the written law wherever you are and still be considered Lawful.

I've often said that a lot of confusion would have been avoided if they had simply called it Ordered instead of Lawful. "Ordered Good" leaves a lot less room for misinterpretation.

In my personal interpretation of Lawfulness in D&D, I believe that yes, it is possible to be Lawful using a personal code rather than the societal definitions of law and order. However, I believe that the burden of upholding that code has to be much stricter than that of the average person in order to actually qualify as Lawful. You must be willing to suffer personal detriment through adhesion to your code, without wavering, if you want to wear the Lawful hat.

Because almost everyone has a personal code of some sort; Robin Hood had a personal code, and he's the poster child for Chaotic Good. The reason his code doesn't rise to the level of Lawful is that he would be willing to bend it in a pinch. And since he's already bucking all the societal traditions of his civilization, there are no additional penalties or punishments for him breaking his own code. He's unlikely to beat himself up if he needs to violate his own principles for the Greater Good; he'll justify it to himself as doing what needed to be done, maybe sigh wistfully once, and then get on with his next adventure.

Conversely, a Lawful character who obeys society's traditions has a ready-made source of punishment should he break those standards. If such a character does stray, she can maintain her Lawfulness by submitting to the proper authorities for judgment. Turning yourself in effectively atones for the breaking of the code, undoing (or at least mitigating) the non-Lawful act.

A Lawful character who operates strictly by a personal code, on the other hand, is responsible for punishing herself in the event of a breach of that code. If she waves it off as doing what needed to be done, then she is not Lawful, she's Neutral at the least. If she does it enough, she may even become Chaotic. A truly Lawful character operating on a personal code will suffer through deeply unpleasant situations in order to uphold it, and will take steps to punish themselves if they don't (possibly going as far as to commit honorable suicide).

People think that using the "personal code" option makes life as a Lawful character easier. It shouldn't. It should be harder to maintain an entirely self-directed personal code than it is to subscribe to the code of an existing country or organization. This is one of the reasons that most Lawful characters follow an external code. It is not required, no, but it is much, much easier. Exceptions should be unusual and noteworthy. It should be an exceptional roleplaying challenge to take on the burden of holding yourself to a strict code even when there are no external penalties for failing.

In the end, alignment is a murky cocktail of temperament, goals, actions, and results. There is no clearly defined formula for which of those counts the most.

It's tough for those who spend all their time talking about D&D to remember that most players are very casual and don't think too deeply about this stuff at all. For that sort of player, picking an alignment is a great introduction to the idea of having a group of characters with diverse motivations. We all take for granted that you have to decide what your character believes, but remember that D&D gets taught to kids who haven't even really figured out what they themselves believe yet. Left to their own devices, they're unlikely to delve deep into their fictional character's philosophies. Alignment is good for starting that conversation. It's also a good way to keep beginning players on the general sort of path of heroics without them burning down the village for kicks.

Then, once they've had a campaign or two under their belt, alignment provides an easy stepping stone for stretching their roleplaying muscles. You may have noticed that most players—especially younger players—tend to play characters that trend toward their own personal alignment, or else some sort of wish fulfillment variation thereof. But after a few different characters like that, there's a natural tendency to want to try something new. Alignment gives a great way to channel that feeling into expanding their roleplaying repetoire by giving them easy-to-understand options that they can pick from. Always played Chaotic Good? Try Lawful Good. Or Lawful Neutral. It's the sort of thing that can really push a player into trying new things, way more than a new race or class can.

Eventually, a player will master switching back and forth between all the alignments and will be a reasonably conversant roleplayer. Then they can move on to playing against alignment stereotypes, or if everyone's at the same level, they can try a more complex alignment system or even abandon the concept altogether. The exact layout and mechanics of the system is sort of beside the point. I do think that the alignment system is much more robust and flexible than most people give it credit for, which is one of the reasons that I spend so much energy dealing with it in OOTS.

But in terms of teaching how to roleplay, it's a great aid. Which is why I think published D&D should always have it; not only is it part of the culture of D&D anyway, but D&D is basically the "training wheels" of roleplaying. If there's a system that can help train new players about how to roleplay, it should be in there. More experience players can always ignore it, but new players won't know to add it in.

Do other games need alignment? Not really, though some sort of structure for roleplaying decisions isn't a bad thing.

DataNinja

2020-05-20, 11:50 AM

Oh no! Spontaneous Summon Banana! :smalltongue:

(Does this work with other forum members? We could get a bigger party in here. :smallwink: )

el minster

2020-05-20, 11:55 AM

I think it's better for Law & Chaos to be secondary to Good & Evil, so a LG paladin and a CG rogue can work together better than the paladin and a LE necromancer can.

Jasdoif

2020-05-20, 12:01 PM

Oh no! Spontaneous Summon Banana! :smalltongue:Wait...Is it still a summon if I bring myself? Is simply walking around sufficient to make me a summoner?

Anonymouswizard

2020-05-20, 12:02 PM

I like the inherent implication of Lamentation's of the Flame Princess alignment system. Clerics are Lawful, Magic-users are Chaotic, and almost everybody else is Neutral. Alignment has a lot more to do with where your mystical mojo comes from and who's pulling your strings, it says nothing about personality or morality.

Bartmanhomer

2020-05-20, 12:02 PM

If you have the core rulebooks, they will explain the alignment system for that system.

No need. There's a website for the alignment system. :biggrin:

DataNinja

2020-05-20, 12:04 PM

Wait...Is it still a summon if I bring myself? Is simply walking around sufficient to make me a summoner?

Sure. It sounds cooler that way. "I henceforth have summoned myself upon your doorstep!" :smalltongue:

Peelee

2020-05-20, 12:08 PM

Sure. It sounds cooler that way. "I henceforth have summoned myself upon your doorstep!" :smalltongue:

Seconded. Plus, I get to say stuff like "I hereby dub Jasdoif self-summoner!" Now don't do it too much, you'll go blind.

el minster

2020-05-20, 12:14 PM

What is spontaneous summon banana?

Aotrs Commander

2020-05-20, 12:23 PM

I think it's better for Law & Chaos to be secondary to Good & Evil, so a LG paladin and a CG rogue can work together better than the paladin and a LE necromancer can.

While in general in terms of gaming, I think from experience, it is far better to have Evil party of not-Evil parties (and y'know, have plenty of Evil parties scattered about for that itch; seriously, we have, like, three on the books if you just count the ones I personally run and not the other two or three we've done in the past) and not to mix the twain...

Conceptually?

LE Necromancer and paladins working together is something I would totally get behind. Being, like, the one LE Necromancer at magical Paladin school or something, not that that very specific idea has totally not had headspace or anything.

Edit: The FRACK Shapeways. I uploaded a version of the Liche's Wrath as a multipart kit and a solid version for the sake of comparison, to laregly see how much more expensive it was. In the chepa material, the kit is version is twice as expensive (?!) as the assembled model in the cheap material, but the assembled model is +50% and +100% more expensive thatn the kit version in the detail materials. The ACTUAL frack.

I HATE that the very debliteraly and shameless hid their pricing algorhythms, meaning this sort of experimentation is NECESSARY, because you have NO IDEA what stuff costs until you upload it. I wasted half-an-hour uploading hollowed version of the Holwing Void to find it was 8p cheaper in the chepa material and not at all in detial material.

Sermil

2020-05-20, 12:47 PM

Sure. It sounds cooler that way. "I henceforth have summoned myself upon your doorstep!" :smalltongue:

I would occasionally ask my kids "I have traveled through time from the previous century to ask you this question: Do you want pancakes or waffles for breakfast?"

el minster

2020-05-20, 12:49 PM

I would occasionally ask my kids "I have traveled through time from the previous century to ask you this question: Do you want pancakes or waffles for breakfast?"

That's absolutely hilarious : ).

Jasdoif

2020-05-20, 12:53 PM

What is spontaneous summon banana?Apparently, that's what we're going to call it when I quote The Giant outside of the Order of the Stick section of the forum....Peelee's experiments in magic have altered the multiverse as we knew it.

Conceptually?

LE Necromancer and paladins working together is something I would totally get behind. Being, like, the one LE Necromancer at magical Paladin school or something, not that that very specific idea has totally not had headspace or anything."You realize he was dead because you killed him, right? And now that we can use his reanimated body instead of risking the death of someone else, you're complaining? I thought you paladins were supposed to care about preserving life."

Admittedly, it feels like there's even more mileage to get out of playing against the "necromancers are inherently evil" shtick at the same time....

PopeLinus1

2020-05-20, 01:01 PM

I would occasionally ask my kids "I have traveled through time from the previous century to ask you this question: Do you want pancakes or waffles for breakfast?"

https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/images/a/a5/time_travel.png

el minster

2020-05-20, 01:03 PM

Sermil

2020-05-20, 01:28 PM

https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/images/a/a5/time_travel.png

Yes, that's exactly where I got it from. Good comedians borrow, great comedians steal. And there there's me...

Aotrs Commander

2020-05-20, 01:42 PM

Apparently, that's what we're going to call it when I quote The Giant outside of the Order of the Stick section of the forum....Peelee's experiments in magic have altered the multiverse as we knew it.

"You realize he was dead because you killed him, right? And now that we can use his reanimated body instead of risking the death of someone else, you're complaining? I thought you paladins were supposed to care about preserving life."

Admittedly, it feels like there's even more mileage to get out of playing against the "necromancers are inherently evil" shtick at the same time....

More like: "Oh no, if we don't seal the radiation leak everyone on the planet will die! I'll have to go in there, even though it will kill me! But I must sacrifice myself for the good of the people!"

"Or I can just animate that dead guard over there."

"..."

"Y'know, that one you ran through...?"

"...

Dammit, stop being so useful!"

"No."

Plus the delightful bonding moment when they team-up to totally lawfully screw some chaotic nut-job.

Fyraltari

2020-05-20, 01:50 PM

I think it's better for Law & Chaos to be secondary to Good & Evil, so a LG paladin and a CG rogue can work together better than the paladin and a LE necromancer can.
That may be more due* to the fact that Evil characters have a hard time working together with anyone. Especially other Evil characters. Compare the dynamics of The Order of the Stick and Team Evil, for example.

Apparently, that's what we're going to call it when I quote The Giant outside of the Order of the Stick section of the forum....Peelee's experiments in magic have altered the multiverse as we knew it.

Does that mean I get to blame Peelee for everything wrong that happened after 2014 or did it work retroactively too?

How do you use the spell?
You type ‘Summon Banana!’.
It’s good form to preface it with ‘I think I remember The Giant saying [insert claim here] but I can’t find the post in the index’ or something to that effect.

*That feels wonky. May more be due?

Peelee

2020-05-20, 01:58 PM

Does that mean I get to blame Peelee for everything wrong that happened after 2014 or did it work retroactively too?
Imean, I already get that, so one more won't hurt.

*That feels wonky. May more be due?
Due more, I'd say.

el minster

2020-05-20, 02:06 PM

Imean, I already get that, so one more won't hurt.

Due more, I'd say.

I don't think Peelee deserves that, he's a good guy and a good mod.

Aotrs Commander

2020-05-20, 02:06 PM

That may be more due* to the fact that Evil characters have a hard time working together with anyone. Especially other Evil characters. Compare the dynamics of The Order of the Stick and Team Evil, for example.

*eyeglow raise*

Not all evil creatures are Skeletor or Saw Boss (or Xykon or Belkar), y'know. It's a dangerous generalisation to assume that's true. Even Théoden only said "OFT Evil will Evil mar." I recall was it not one of the Gian'ts articles pointing out how he'd seen a group of aventurers come a complete cropper once because they failed to understand that two of the BBEGs they were trying to pit against each other were just, like, friends.

The E=>G axis is just more often used because its so much easier to conceptually grasp (D&D having habitually done a poor job of defining Law and Chaos in more than one edition, if not all, editions.)

Fyraltari

2020-05-20, 02:30 PM

*eyeglow raise*

Not all evil creatures are Skeletor or Saw Boss (or Xykon or Belkar), y'know. It's a dangerous generalisation to assume that's true. Even Théoden only said "OFT Evil will Evil mar." I recall was it not one of the Gian'ts articles pointing out how he'd seen a group of aventurers come a complete cropper once because they failed to understand that two of the BBEGs they were trying to pit against each other were just, like, friends.

The E=>G axis is just more often used because its so much easier to conceptually grasp (D&D having habitually done a poor job of defining Law and Chaos in more than one edition, if not all, editions.)

Look I am the first one to say that dividing people (or even sufficiently complex fictional characters) into Good and Evil just plainly doesn’t work, but if we accept to use D&D’s alignment framework, then, there are alignments for characters willing to do what’s best for them even at the expanse of others and those are CN, TN and LN. Evil characters go the step beyond and are willing to do what’s best for them especially at the expanse of others. To be evil is, fundamentally, to be so self-center that you are incapable (or outright refuse) to function well with others. Sure an evil character may have a few other people they value and call their friend or loved one, but on the whole they are unlikely to work well with anybody. It can happen but it’s unlikely.

There’s a reason evil necromancers surround themselves with rotting mind-slaves.

Edit: also, you do realize that when Théoden said that, he wasn’t talking about evil people working with good people but evil people fighting each other’s due to their inability to work together, more precisely Saruman’s backstabbing Sauron instantly upon openly joining him. And later Sam and Frodo are saved by orcs helpfully killing each other, TWICE.

PopeLinus1

2020-05-20, 02:39 PM

Yes, that's exactly where I got it from. Good comedians borrow, great comedians steal. And there there's me...

I figured, but I didn't want to accuse.

Aotrs Commander

2020-05-20, 02:49 PM

Look I am the first one to say that dividing people (or even sufficiently complex fictional characters) into Good and Evil just plainly doesn’t work, but if we accept to use D&D’s alignment framework, then, there are alignments for characters willing to do what’s best for them even at the expanse of others and those are CN, TN and LN. Evil characters go the step beyond and are willing to do what’s best for them especially at the expanse of others. To be evil is, fundamentally, to be so self-center that you are incapable (or outright refuse) to function well with others. Sure an evil character may have a few other people they value and call their friend or loved one, but on the whole they are unlikely to work well with anybody. It can happen but it’s unlikely.

There’s a reason evil necromancers surround themselves with rotting mind-slaves.

And yet I can work with people perfectly fine, and I can assure you, I am quite thoroughly Evil; the fact that while in places like this I present a front of polite and often self-deprecating affability does nothing to change that. You just don't get to see what goes on behind my eyeglows.

As much as it might pain people to be faced with it, the idea that Evil can't work together is rooted in nothing more substantial than the belief that is what allows good to win, because the idea that an Evil that co-operated as smoothly as they would like to believe that good does stands a very good chance of actually, y'know WINNING. It's one of those dangerously circular mindsets humans like to get themselves into, along with "I like this thing, therefore it cannot be Evil;" which of course in fiction inevitably leads to Evil Can't Have Nice Things and in real life to... Well, I'm sure you can think of examples without my help, can't you?

Edit: also, you do realize that when Théoden said that, he wasn’t talking about evil people working with good people but evil people fighting each other’s due to their inability to work together, more precisely Saruman’s backstabbing Sauron instantly upon openly joining him. And later Sam and Frodo are saved by orcs helpfully killing each other, TWICE.

And I repeat, OFT - not ALWAYS.

Just because a lot of Evil acts that way doens't mean it all does.

(In the same way that because the majority of humans are petty, wilfully stupid factionalised incompetants doesn't mean all humans are.)

The ones that don't? Are the most dangerous ones of all.

Peelee

2020-05-20, 03:01 PM

I figured, but I didn't want to accuse.

I find that slamming down a heavy object and pointing with great dramatic flair while telling a deeply resonant "J'ACCUSE!" helps make accusations just more fun for everyone involved.

el minster

2020-05-20, 03:12 PM

I find that slamming down a heavy object and pointing with great dramatic flair while telling a deeply resonant "J'ACCUSE!" helps make accusations just more fun for everyone involved.

If the heavy object is a book you can then make a joke about throwing the book at him/her.

Jasdoif

2020-05-20, 03:22 PM

Does that mean I get to blame Peelee for everything wrong that happened after 2014 or did it work retroactively too?None of the myriad things Peelee messed up prior to 2014 were retroactively updated, if that's what you're asking.

*That feels wonky. May more be due?Personally, I'd sidestep it with "More likely, that's due to...."

Look I am the first one to say that dividing people (or even sufficiently complex fictional characters) into Good and Evil just plainly doesnÂ’t work, but if we accept to use D&DÂ’s alignment framework, then, there are alignments for characters willing to do whatÂ’s best for them even at the expanse of others and those are CN, TN and LN. Evil characters go the step beyond and are willing to do whatÂ’s best for them especially at the expanse of others. To be evil is, fundamentally, to be so self-center that you are incapable (or outright refuse) to function well with others. Sure an evil character may have a few other people they value and call their friend or loved one, but on the whole they are unlikely to work well with anybody. It can happen but itÂ’s unlikely.Even overlooking how alignment, as a set categories for general behavior, doesn't reflect all specific cases; and how D&D is about exceptional characters doing exceptional things, and so the unlikely tends to happen....Evil people are entirely capable of functionally well with others. The defining feature of Evil is certainly the willingness to inflict harm on anyone if it suits their ends, but "their ends" is the same sort complicated-and-often-contradictory sense of desires that any sapient mind has. An Evil person who enjoys the company of another person is going to have that person's well-being as a priority, two Evil people with similar goals and complementary strengths aren't likely to undercut their own plans by turning on each other, etc.

How dramatically this shifts if the situation changes is another matter; but these kind of things can last a really long time....

SZbNAhL

2020-05-20, 03:31 PM

I find that slamming down a heavy object and pointing with great dramatic flair while telling a deeply resonant "J'ACCUSE!" helps make accusations just more fun for everyone involved.

No no, you have to fling a folder onto the table so that your evidence spills out in a perfect fan.

Thesis completed and submitted, by the way. Thanks for all the well-wishes.

The Fury

2020-05-20, 03:36 PM

Peelee

2020-05-20, 03:40 PM

No no, you have to fling a folder onto the table so that your evidence spills out in a perfect fan.
That only works if you have a folder and a table. Very situational. Conversely, one can almost always find a heavy object.

Thesis completed and submitted, by the way. Thanks for all the well-wishes.
Good luck on the back end as well! Also, I choose to believe I am cited in the thesis somewhere. At least for a very bad joke to spice it up somewhere in the middle.

DataNinja

2020-05-20, 03:41 PM

Aedilred

2020-05-20, 03:46 PM

Not only that, but the Law aspects were ALSO frequently Evil as well. It was basically pointless in the main.
That's what made it interesting in principle, and completely counterproductive in practice.

I don't think Peelee deserves that, he's a good guy and a good mod.
Well at least we have a positive ID on one of Peelee's sockpuppets now.

Peelee

2020-05-20, 03:49 PM

Well at least we have a positive ID on one of Peelee's sockpuppets now.

Doubtful. I don't think Peelee is smart enough for that.

el minster

2020-05-20, 04:50 PM

Qwertystop

2020-05-20, 07:25 PM

So I started my job search today... I went out wearing my mask as ya do, and I even got a chance to speak to a manager. He asked me to take my mask off so he could see my face. I did it, and he said, "I like it."

Thanks, I guess? I don't have a good sense for this kind of thing thanks to my abnormal brain, but was this weird?

Yes, very. A: your looks shouldn't matter, B: in the current situation you shouldn't be unmasked around strangers (really, around anyone who you're not living closely enough with for contamination to be inevitable), and C: he shouldn't have asked you. So, some combination of "skeevy in a sexual-harassment-warning-signs way" and "checking whether you're willing to risk your own health and safety for the job on nothing more than the boss' whim".

el minster

2020-05-20, 07:50 PM

Yes, very. A: your looks shouldn't matter, B: in the current situation you shouldn't be unmasked around strangers (really, around anyone who you're not living closely enough with for contamination to be inevitable), and C: he shouldn't have asked you. So, some combination of "skeevy in a sexual-harassment-warning-signs way" and "checking whether you're willing to risk your own health and safety for the job on nothing more than the boss' whim".

Definitely, this guy is worth watching out for.

PopeLinus1

2020-05-20, 08:23 PM

So I started my job search today... I went out wearing my mask as ya do, and I even got a chance to speak to a manager. He asked me to take my mask off so he could see my face. I did it, and he said, "I like it."

Thanks, I guess? I don't have a good sense for this kind of thing thanks to my abnormal brain, but was this weird?

Hmm...

As the king of all things weird and abnormal, I hearby dub this encounter as Red Alert! Red Alert! Man the "getting-the-hell-out-of-dodge" Battle Stations.

...In all seriousness though, that seems pretty weird, and not in the awkward, off-putting way that gents like me tend to project, but in a creepy, potentially dangerous way.

The first type of weird is great fun, as long as you're fine with having no friends. The latter is... less fun.

Aotrs Commander

2020-05-20, 08:41 PM

Whelp. Progres on the whittling out of the PrCs for 3.Aotrs is quite considerably, and the majority of the ones on my short-list went. I was quite ruthless; most were "this just doesn't give you anything," "several classes do this now" with a few that I rolled into archtypes.

(Invisible Blade gave me the most bother, simply because one of my players DID use it before, but after a lot of messing around, I made it into a Ninja archtype (as the character that used it was Rogue/Ninja/Inivisble Blade/Swordsage) so if he was ever to be done again, his class set would change a bit. (There would be a bit of a nerf at low level, with PF's Vanishing Trick replacing 3.5's Ghost Step (so no more Greater Invis at level 2), but conversely, his Sudden Strike would be the much better Sneak Attack, meaning that it wasn't NECESSARY for Ghost Step to enable his main class feature to work...) So fundementally, he'd be the same as he finished at level 17, just some shuffling around at low levels, which is what I aim for, trying to minimise the amount of Character Changes That' Are Not Just A Straight Upgrade for existing characters.)

Mostly just left all the hybrid classes, which is where I think PrC are particularly useful.

Peelee

2020-05-20, 10:06 PM

The Fury

2020-05-20, 10:20 PM

...yeah, probably. I mean, I guess if you're applying for a customer-presenting job it might technically make a difference in weight if all other things are equal, but...

It was very wierd and you should be careful around him.

Yes, very. A: your looks shouldn't matter, B: in the current situation you shouldn't be unmasked around strangers (really, around anyone who you're not living closely enough with for contamination to be inevitable), and C: he shouldn't have asked you. So, some combination of "skeevy in a sexual-harassment-warning-signs way" and "checking whether you're willing to risk your own health and safety for the job on nothing more than the boss' whim".

Hmm...

As the king of all things weird and abnormal, I hearby dub this encounter as Red Alert! Red Alert! Man the "getting-the-hell-out-of-dodge" Battle Stations.

...In all seriousness though, that seems pretty weird, and not in the awkward, off-putting way that gents like me tend to project, but in a creepy, potentially dangerous way.

The first type of weird is great fun, as long as you're fine with having no friends. The latter is... less fun.

I was thinking it was odd and a little creepy, but I had my doubts. My brain is made of Silly Putty so I always wonder about what it's telling me. It's a wonder it works at all. It's lucky that the rest of you have a better sense of this kind of thing than I do.

Tvtyrant

2020-05-21, 12:43 AM

Had a mole that split and made a sharp right angle autopsied today. Took a surprisingly large bit of thigh, it is spooky to look at.

el minster

2020-05-21, 12:49 AM

Had a mole that split and made a sharp right angle autopsied today. Took a surprisingly large bit of thigh, it is spooky to look at.

Will t grow back?

Bartmanhomer

2020-05-21, 01:02 AM

Well, I passed the Alignment Test to be Chaotic Neutral finally. :biggrin:

Iruka

2020-05-21, 01:52 AM

el minster

2020-05-21, 01:53 AM

Well, I passed the Alignment Test to be Chaotic Neutral finally. :biggrin:

There's a test, sign me up.

Anonymouswizard

2020-05-21, 05:08 AM

My guess would be that he is one of those "I just need to look at someone's face and I can immediately tell if they are a good worker." people.

Yeah, either this or making sure Fury won't scare away customers in a customer facing role make the most sense. It's definitely still a red flag if he was within two metres, and still something to keep in mind otherwise, but it's definitely not a 'run for the hills' thing yet.

So I've decided to start doing pushups and weights on my off days to help my eight go down during plague times. I'd like to run, but I can't get new trainers and they'd not really anywhere around here I could be sure if staying to metres away from others. If only I had a treadmill or spinner.

Liquor Box

2020-05-21, 06:57 AM

My guess would be that he is one of those "I just need to look at someone's face and I can immediately tell if they are a good worker." people.

I'm also on the page of not thinking its a red flag (or if it is, it's a pretty minor one). Lot's of people find it weird not knowing what someone looks like - he may have just wanted to build rapport.

I wouldn't worry. If there's something wrong with him, you'll get much clearer signs than him wanting to see your face.

Peelee

2020-05-21, 08:00 AM

Well, I passed the Alignment Test to be Chaotic Neutral finally. :biggrin:

"Finally"?

Aotrs Commander

2020-05-21, 08:28 AM

Frack my tin hat, Mr Baggins, that was a job an' a half more than it needed to be.

Just goin' to Nanny's to do the usual (water the plants mostly) and check the post; since she's in care now, the bare essentials need to be ticking over in the unlikely event she comes out, but in the meantime, it means cancelling All The Things that aren't absolute necessary (like Damart or paying £14 a month for fridge/freezer insurance...) Six sets of phone calls; one to actual useful house insurance to expand the policy to cover the fact the house is now going to be unoccupied for more than 60 days and five cancellations, of which the best was waiting on hold for an hour for insurance only to be told we needed to send them proof of power of attorney to do anything. (Which, after I brought it back for Dad to look over, he decided that we'd no do anything with it at the moment.) Got the other stuff done relatively easily, but it must have been the majority of two hours on the phone between one thing or another.

And of COURSE, that hour waiting now means I have to go add a paragraph on scaling cantrips to the spells document RIGHT AT THE START, because of course I do. I TOLD you I'd have to redo the pagination at least once, didn't I?

Tvtyrant

2020-05-21, 09:52 AM

Will t grow back?
No but it will scar up. Since I have to get some very large chunks of skin taken off this year it is more like practice.

Bartmanhomer

2020-05-21, 11:47 AM

There's a test, sign me up. easydamus.com/alignmenttest.html

"Finally"?

Yes, it took me many tries in the past which I got Lawful Good and Neutral Good. So I got the right question which the results are Chaotic Neutral. :biggrin:

PopeLinus1

2020-05-21, 12:14 PM

Bartmanhomer

2020-05-21, 12:57 PM

...So you're saying you're Lawful or Neutral Good?

Well yes, that what the test said but I don't act anything like the two alignments as you mentioned.

PopeLinus1

2020-05-21, 01:00 PM

Well yes that what the test said.

I'm just saying, changing what answers you would normally give to questions in order to align better with societies idea of morality honestly sounds more like a lawful action than a chaotic one, but that's just my opinion.

Peelee

2020-05-21, 01:12 PM

Yes, it took me many tries in the past which I got Lawful Good and Neutral Good. So I got the right question which the results are Chaotic Neutral. :biggrin:

So it sounds like if you think the test is accurate, the results you would get with honest answers is not Chaotic Neutral.

Bartmanhomer

2020-05-21, 02:03 PM

So it sounds like if you think the test is accurate, the results you would get with honest answers is not Chaotic Neutral.

It definitely sounds like it, yes.

BisectedBrioche

2020-05-21, 02:43 PM

I baked cinnamon buns today! (https://twitter.com/BisectedBrioche/status/1263552446619664385)

The Fury

2020-05-21, 03:02 PM

I baked cinnamon buns today! (https://twitter.com/BisectedBrioche/status/1263552446619664385)

Yeah? My mom bakes them every Christmas. Last time we used bourbon-flavored maple syrup instead of corn syrup like the recipe calls for. They were pretty awesome.

Iruka

2020-05-21, 04:42 PM

I baked cinnamon buns today! (https://twitter.com/BisectedBrioche/status/1263552446619664385)

Those look delicious. I should try baking some, too.

PopeLinus1

2020-05-21, 04:44 PM

I baked cinnamon buns today! (https://twitter.com/BisectedBrioche/status/1263552446619664385)

Oh geez, those look extremely tasty.

Man, I wish I could bake.

Insane Jeenyus

2020-05-21, 05:05 PM

First, wow! we are already on page 4!!

No but it will scar up. Since I have to get some very large chunks of skin taken off this year it is more like practice.

I had a colostomy for two years. The scar [just one of many] is eye shaped, 3 " long and 1" wide. I have been told by women tht my scars look ''hot". Seriously?? Well, it seems to be a thing.

I baked cinnamon buns today! (https://twitter.com/BisectedBrioche/status/1263552446619664385)Oh frauline Hoffenpeper, those are sooooo yummy!

Anonymouswizard

2020-05-21, 05:22 PM

I have a sudden urge for pastries, not sure why :smalltongue:

Also for cuddling a very specific woman, although that urge is less sudden.

I really should go to sleep soon.

Aotrs Commander

2020-05-21, 07:39 PM

MOTHERFRACK-

Frag damn Consecrate/Desecrate/Hallow/Unhallow damn turn/rebuke into channel energy conversation zombie-stanked vampire-copulating ghost-slimed wight-buried ghoul-crapping MUMMY-DUSTED WRAITH-WITHERED BLASTED SCUM OF A LICH!!!

PopeLinus1

2020-05-21, 07:42 PM

el minster

2020-05-21, 07:51 PM

Aotrs Commander

2020-05-21, 08:10 PM

THree.

HunDREd.

PageS.

*eyeglow twitch*

*eyeglow twitch*
*eyeglow twitch*
*eyeglowtwitcheyeglowtwitcheyeglowtwitcheyeglowtwi tcheyeglowtwitch*

PopeLinus1

2020-05-21, 08:11 PM

THree.

HunDREd.

PageS.

*eyeglow twitch*

*eyeglow twitch*
*eyeglow twitch*
*eyeglowtwitcheyeglowtwitcheyeglowtwitcheyeglowtwi tcheyeglowtwitch*

Oh god, oh god, please calm down, please calm down, please don't hurt anybody.

Are they... are they gone?

Aotrs Commander

2020-05-21, 08:28 PM

*sounds of fire, distant explosions, incoherent screaming, shattering metal, disturbing liquid splorthcy sounds and a SK-Series rocket launcher being used as an extremely fervent bludgeonging implement*

Oh god, oh god, please calm down, please calm down, please don't hurt anybody.

https://photos.smugmug.com/Primary-Gallery/i-xV5G8k5/0/33e14091/Ti/Derpy-Ti.png*slowly peeks into thread*

https://photos.smugmug.com/Primary-Gallery/i-xV5G8k5/0/33e14091/Ti/Derpy-Ti.pngHi, Friendly Banter Thread! *waves hoof* I'm Ensign Derpy! I'm part of Bleakbane's station crew, long story, don't ask! I'm here because Hopereaver (that's his number two, she's magical lich-girl, even more don't ask) ran away and hid!

So, uh... Yeah. Miiiiiight be a little too late on that.

Are they... are they gone?

https://photos.smugmug.com/Primary-Gallery/i-xV5G8k5/0/33e14091/Ti/Derpy-Ti.pngI mean, define "gone..."

*distant incoherent scream of rage*

https://photos.smugmug.com/Primary-Gallery/i-xV5G8k5/0/33e14091/Ti/Derpy-Ti.png♫We're all go-ing to die-ieeee!♫

Woohoo! I think!

I mean, not just on the station, like.. everyone.

PopeLinus1

2020-05-21, 08:35 PM

*sounds of fire, distant explosions, incoherent screaming, shattering metal, disturbing liquid splorthcy sounds and a SK-Series rocket launcher being used as an extremely fervent bludgeonging implement*

https://photos.smugmug.com/Primary-Gallery/i-xV5G8k5/0/33e14091/Ti/Derpy-Ti.png*slowly peeks into thread*

https://photos.smugmug.com/Primary-Gallery/i-xV5G8k5/0/33e14091/Ti/Derpy-Ti.pngHi, Friendly Banter Thread! *waves hoof* I'm Ensign Derpy! I'm part of Bleakbane's station crew, long story, don't ask! I'm here because Hopereaver (that's his number two, she's magical lich-girl, even more don't ask) ran away and hid!

So, uh... Yeah. Miiiiiight be a little too late on that.

https://photos.smugmug.com/Primary-Gallery/i-xV5G8k5/0/33e14091/Ti/Derpy-Ti.pngI mean, define "gone..."

*distant incoherent scream of rage*

https://photos.smugmug.com/Primary-Gallery/i-xV5G8k5/0/33e14091/Ti/Derpy-Ti.png♫We're all go-ing to die-ieeee!♫

Woohoo! I think!

I mean, not just on the station, like.. everyone.
Oh god, oh geez, oh no...

I always assumed we were all going to die because someone on this forum went mad with rage after their gaming project didn't work out, but I always assumed that person would be me!

Oh god, I don't have the time for all the paperwork my funeral is going to cause...

Godspeed, Ensign Derby, Godspeed.

Aotrs Commander

2020-05-21, 09:02 PM

https://photos.smugmug.com/Primary-Gallery/i-xV5G8k5/0/33e14091/Ti/Derpy-Ti.pngIt's all gone quiet. I think he went outside. Which is Spaaaaaace! So we're probably...

...

...

...

https://photos.smugmug.com/Primary-Gallery/i-xV5G8k5/0/33e14091/Ti/Derpy-Ti.png

Huh.

So, everypony, it turns out Space is flammable if you get a magical space lich angry enough!

Who knew, am I right?

Oh, there's Hopereaver now! *waves* Say hi to Freindly Banter, Hopereaver

Derpy, not n... *sigh* Look, just... Don't panic, everyone, I've got a literal ton of chocolate here, like an actual metric ton for the Emergancy Storage... That might just do it we if chuck it at him out the airlock and...

Huh.

https://photos.smugmug.com/Primary-Gallery/i-xV5G8k5/0/33e14091/Ti/Derpy-Ti.pngThat's what I said!

...

...

I don't even know how he's doing that, and I'M a magical space lich too.

Okay, LT, just chuck it out the airlock and hope; and if we're all still undead-slash-alive in the morning, we're probably fine.

Probably.

PopeLinus1

2020-05-21, 09:04 PM

The Fury

2020-05-21, 10:19 PM

...

...

...

...

...

Ya'll have some serious baggage.

...Think they're gonna be alright?

Also, I finished a playthrough of Vacant Sky. It was... OK. As free-to-download RPGs go, it's pretty decent so what complaints I do have about it aren't serious dealbreakers for me. The story is pretty damn dark though. Also, the soundtrack (https://vacantsky.bandcamp.com/album/vacant-sky-ost-sounds-of-contention) slaps.

el minster

2020-05-22, 12:03 AM

They have this fun RPG on Kongergate called Foe: Remains. It's a combination of my little pony and the Remains games. It has "language befitting a distpian world" though.

Bartmanhomer

2020-05-22, 12:07 AM

I think I've fallen in love with a Youtuber. :eek:

DataNinja

2020-05-22, 12:25 AM

I think I've fallen in love with a Youtuber. :eek:

Well, you can have your crush privately, but don't go acting on it. Seriously, unless you know these people personally, all it'd do is making it awkward. Not only do you only know their public persona, the one that they project out - as opposed to their more personal one - but getting random comments and stuff from strangers is... weird. If they're a bigger one, too, guarantee that they see this a lot, and it's just awkward for them.

It's fine to appreciate them for who they are, but just know that it's not really something attainable - so don't let it keep you from elsewhere.

Bartmanhomer

2020-05-22, 12:31 AM

Well, you can have your crush privately, but don't go acting on it. Seriously, unless you know these people personally, all it'd do is making it awkward. Not only do you only know their public persona, the one that they project out - as opposed to their more personal one - but getting random comments and stuff from strangers is... weird. If they're a bigger one, too, guarantee that they see this a lot, and it's just awkward for them.

It's fine to appreciate them for who they are, but just know that it's not really something attainable - so don't let it keep you from elsewhere.

It not even a major Youtuber. It's a smaller YouTuber who has 200+ subs. I subscribed to her and you're right I can't help it. :sigh:

el minster

2020-05-22, 01:59 AM

It not even a major Youtuber. It's a smaller YouTuber who has 200+ subs. I subscribed to her and you're right I can't help it. :sigh:

distract youself it will help you get over it.

Anonymouswizard

2020-05-22, 03:26 AM

It not even a major Youtuber. It's a smaller YouTuber who has 200+ subs. I subscribed to her and you're right I can't help it. :sigh:

I mean, if you know her in real life or match on a dating site (and I do mean match, not just like her) then pursuing the crush might be okay, but seriously don't be the creepy fan who tries to go out with her. If it's hard to stop yourself then just unsubscribe, the less temptation the better.

DataNinja

2020-05-22, 04:13 AM

I mean, if you know her in real life or match on a dating site (and I do mean match, not just like her) then pursuing the crush might be okay, but seriously don't be the creepy fan who tries to go out with her. If it's hard to stop yourself then just unsubscribe, the less temptation the better.

What? Who could ever know a Youtuber in real life? They're clearly rare and magical creatures who would never deign to stoop to the levels of us mere mortals. Would never happen. Preposterous. They just appear out of thin air. :smalltongue:

Aotrs Commander

2020-05-22, 05:11 AM

Ya'll have some serious baggage.

I'm an Evil-aligned-by-choice, omnicidal, megalomanical Undead abomination with a mithril-allot skelteon that rage-quit ouf of humanity the first second the chance to do so arose who second-in-command Lich is now is magical-girl-transforming Lich with another direct subordinate acquired from local reality hopping that is a magical talking pony with a muffin obession who learned necromancy so well she can create muffin zombies; said volentary horror opposed to light and life being also the... "trainer" of several hundred Pokémon of Carnage Team, the most prominent member of who is the living refutation that "Pokémon are nevr inherently bad;" who hasn't Done A Roleplaying once a week for two months for the first time in thirty years, let alone Play With Starships and who has spent nine months of several hours per day 5-6 a week writing 900+ pages of houserules.

YA THINK?!

If I have to re-paginate another 300 page document again in the same 24-hour period, I make no promises about the fate of the universe.

PopeLinus1

2020-05-22, 07:04 AM

I'm an Evil-aligned-by-choice, omnicidal, megalomanical Undead abomination with a mithril-allot skelteon that rage-quit ouf of humanity the first second the chance to do so arose who second-in-command Lich is now is magical-girl-transforming Lich with another direct subordinate acquired from local reality hopping that is a magical talking pony with a muffin obession who learned necromancy so well she can create muffin zombies; said volentary horror opposed to light and life being also the... "trainer" of several hundred Pokémon of Carnage Team, the most prominent member of who is the living refutation that "Pokémon are nevr inherently bad;" who hasn't Done A Roleplaying once a week for two months for the first time in thirty years, let alone Play With Starships and who has spent nine months of several hours per day 5-6 a week writing 900+ pages of houserules.

YA THINK?!

If I have to re-paginate another 300 page document again in the same 24-hour period, I make no promises about the fate of the universe.

Alright pal.

Keep up the good work!

Aedilred

2020-05-22, 08:46 AM

easydamus.com/alignmenttest.html

Yes, it took me many tries in the past which I got Lawful Good and Neutral Good. So I got the right question which the results are Chaotic Neutral. :biggrin:

I've seen this test a few times and almost started filling it in again before I remembered that it annoyed me so much that to complain about it here would be a better use of my time than completing it.

Let's start with question 1. 1. Family elders are expressing disapproval of you to the rest of the family. Do you:

Who are these "family elders"? What is the extent of their disapproval? Is what they are saying true? How large is this family and how influential is it to my life? Do you mean "my grandparents"? Or is this more of a clan situation where the family elders are more like an informal government? In which case how am I supposed to relate to that?

Bringing it back to my own experience, the "elders" of my own family (my grandparents) expressed disapproval of me to other members, and to my face, fairly regularly. What I actually did was ignore it. That option is not available.

2. Would you give up a promising career to aid the family in time of need?

Again, "the family". Am I a member of the cosa nostra? Is this some sort of Waco situation? Are we talking about the Manson family? What is this need and who needs my help? Is it a particular member of the family, or just "the family" in general? How much do they need my help: is it essential, or just nice to have? If we're talking about "the family" as a whole, wouldn't the best thing to help their interests to be to continue with my career and use that to promote their interests, or pass on the money I make?

If it's a member of the family, which member? A sibling? My parents? My child? A distant cousin? The weird pervy uncle I've never liked?

Let's leave aside "The Family" because that's obviously causing problems, and move on to the next series of questions about friends.

7. A powerful but corrupt judge offers you wealth if you'll testify against your friend. Do you:

What is my friend accused of? Do I think he's guilty? Surely these are the key questions? Is this a case where he is guilty but the prosecution will fail unless I testify? Or is he innocent and the judge wants me to set him up? Is he on trial for his life, for scrumping apples, or is it a question of a two-week deferred commuity service program after burning down an orphanage?

It's a question where the right thing to do is completely dependent on the context. Obviously, you shouldn't take the money, but everything else is up in the air. And why does it matter that he's my friend anyway? Surely the right thing to do is the right thing to do even if I don't know him from Adam?

8. Do you become close to friends, or hold most people at a safe distance?

These two things are not mutually exclusive.

9. Have you ever betrayed a friend?

What do we mean by "betrayal" here? Have I lied to a friend? Yes. Have I passed on information told to me in confidence? Yes, occasionally. Have I stolen from a friend? No.

Have I done things which friends have considered a betrayal even though I didn't and don't? Almost certainly.

It's too subjective. We need specificity.

10. How do you view lifelong commitment to a single romantic partner?

Here it's not the question that's the problem, it's the answers. They're too strongly worded, and make no real allowance for people who aren't interested in romance at all. The second one is the closest to a neutral response but there's still no middle ground between "really want that romantic ideal but am prepared to be realistic" and "want to sleep around", and I suspect that middle ground is probably where most people actually fall.

11. Do you insist on repayment when lending money to friends?

OK, this one is a bit better. It would still be useful to know how much money we're talking about. If I'm going to lend a friend £10,000, I'm probably going to treat that a bit more seriously than buying them a kebab when they've forgotten their wallet. Still though there's no option to just "forget about it"; even the "nicest" option is to say they just owe me a favour, whereas for small debts, forgetting about it might genuinely be the norm. I suppose we are talking specifically about loans rather than gifts, and there is more nuance than usual, but there is still a problem of context.

And it goes on like this.

I think what bothers me most is that the way the questions are devised encourages you to think about what alignment you think you are, and then pick the option that seems most likely to correspond with it, rather than answering the question in isolation and then discovering the answer at the end. It doesn't provide any useful output. At best, it provides some prompts to think about what alignment you're really in.

Which makes it doubly curious that it took BMH several goes to get the "right" answer...

Bartmanhomer

2020-05-22, 12:06 PM

distract youself it will help you get over it.

I mean, if you know her in real life or match on a dating site (and I do mean match, not just like her) then pursuing the crush might be okay, but seriously don't be the creepy fan who tries to go out with her. If it's hard to stop yourself then just unsubscribe, the less temptation the better.
Maybe this crush is just only a phrase.

PopeLinus1

2020-05-22, 12:19 PM

Maybe this crush is just only a phrase.

So like, have you communicated with this person at all?

Bartmanhomer

2020-05-22, 12:24 PM

So like, have you communicated with this person at all?

I've communicated with her on live stream and I expressed my feeling to her. And she feels flattering. I even subscribed her Youtube channel. :smile:

Jasdoif

2020-05-22, 12:46 PM

I think what bothers me most is that the way the questions are devised encourages you to think about what alignment you think you are, and then pick the option that seems most likely to correspond with it, rather than answering the question in isolation and then discovering the answer at the end.I think the questions are partly designed to measure what your mind fills in the blanks with on first glance, similar to how a character's alignment is most readily apparent in a situation where they (and their player) don't have most of the details but need to make a choice anyway.

If alignment wasn't such an overgeneralized hodgepodge of morals/ethics, having genuinely viable quantitative standards to test on would be possible (and a far better choice)...but alignment is precisely that sort of vague and subjective mess; so alignment tests are, too.

Fyraltari

2020-05-22, 01:33 PM

I've communicated with her on live stream and I expressed my feeling to her. And she feels flattering. I even subscribed her Youtube channel. :smile:

You’ve made a love confession on a live stream? As in, in front of who-knows-how-many people?

Bartmanhomer

2020-05-22, 01:44 PM

You’ve made a love confession on a live stream? As in, in front of who-knows-how-many people?

Yes about by 30 people in the live stream. :smile:

Peelee

2020-05-22, 01:54 PM

I've communicated with her on live stream and I expressed my feeling to her. And she feels flattering. I even subscribed her Youtube channel. :smile:

Sounds like the live-stream version of a form letter.

Anonymouswizard

2020-05-22, 01:59 PM

You’ve made a love confession on a live stream? As in, in front of who-knows-how-many people?

I mean, I haven't gone past a like confession with this girl I'm (dating?). And that was private! I couldn't imagine doing the same on a livestream in front of people who've never met me.

Also, Bartmanhomer, you know that thing I said about not being the creepy fan? I'm going to let you in on a secret: many people in such a situation will feign feeling flattered so as to a) not offend the person they've never met and b) not to appear like a jerk in front of people. Reason b is why you generally shouldn't ask somebody out or propose in front of people, so they don't feel pressured into giving the 'correct' answer (yes, people do still do such things, although from what I've heard a lot of public proposals are for show after an initial yes when asked in private).

Bartmanhomer

2020-05-22, 02:00 PM

Sounds like the live-stream version of a form letter.

Yes but as I said before maybe the crush Is just a phrase. :frown:

Fyraltari

2020-05-22, 02:19 PM

Yes about by 30 people in the live stream. :smile:

That’s not a good thing to do at all, Bartman. You shouldn’t ask people you know out in public, you shouldn’t ask people you don’t know out and you certainly shouldn’t ask people you don’t know out in public. Picture yourself in her shoes: some person you’ve never met tells you they love you in front of dozens of strangers. How embarrassing is that?

Edit: also you are thinking of a phase. A phrase is an ensemble of words.

Bartmanhomer

2020-05-22, 02:23 PM

That’s not a good thing to do at all, Bartman. You shouldn’t ask people you know out in public, you shouldn’t ask people you don’t know out and you certainly shouldn’t ask people you don’t know out in public. Picture yourself in her shoes: some person you’ve never met tells you they love you in front of dozens of strangers. How embarrassing is that?

Edit: also you are thinking of a phase. A phrase is an ensemble of words.Well everyone else notices the signals that I received plus she wasn't really embarrassed at all about my love confessional. So it turns out very well.

Anonymouswizard

2020-05-22, 02:26 PM

Well everyone else notices the signals that I received plus she wasn't really embarrassed at all about my love confessional. So it turns out very well.

On a completely unrelated note, anybody else think that acting is a good skill for those doing livestreams?

Bartmanhomer

2020-05-22, 02:27 PM

On a completely unrelated note, anybody else thinks that acting is a good skill for those doing live streams?

Yes. What a great skill to have on the live stream. YouTubers do it all the time.

LaZodiac

2020-05-22, 02:37 PM

Well everyone else notices the signals that I received plus she wasn't really embarrassed at all about my love confessional. So it turns out very well.

You told her that publicly while she was doing what is her job. She couldn't very well react negatively.

What you've down is pretty bad form, man.

Bartmanhomer

2020-05-22, 02:40 PM

You told her that publicly while she was doing what is her job. She couldn't very well react negatively.

What you've down is pretty bad form, man.

How? In what way exactly? If she was upset then she could have at least told me about it. :annoyed:

Anonymouswizard

2020-05-22, 02:51 PM

How? In what way exactly? If she was upset then she could have at least told me about it. :annoyed:

At riskof repeating myself...

Also, Bartmanhomer, you know that thing I said about not being the creepy fan? I'm going to let you in on a secret: many people in such a situation will feign feeling flattered so as to a) not offend the person they've never met and b) not to appear like a jerk in front of people. Reason b is why you generally shouldn't ask somebody out or propose in front of people, so they don't feel pressured into giving the 'correct' answer (yes, people do still do such things, although from what I've heard a lot of public proposals are for show after an initial yes when asked in private).

'Human reactions make little logical sense' is a pretty common viewpoint, and one I personally hold.

Oh, while we're on this subject.

On a completely unrelated note, anybody else think that acting is a good skill for those doing livestreams?

Yeah, the fact that this was the only thing in a post that quoted yours is a hint that what I'm saying is actually very much related, and to make you think about why I'm bringing it up. In fact the first phrase is sarcastic, ad I'm not the only person I know who uses it as such (a legitimately unrelated topic would be introduced with 'on an unrelated note').

On a legitimately unrelated note, am I the only one who legitimately prefers to play games on handheld consoles? I've just bought another one, and honestly wasn't actually interested in the Swiitch before the Lite.

LaZodiac

2020-05-22, 02:53 PM

How? In what way exactly? If she was upset then she could have at least told me about it. :annoyed:

She's in the middle of streaming, a job in which you basically have to keep up a happy, friendly personality because it's about fan interaction. A fan suddenly going "I'm in love with you!" or the equivilent, especially given she's a small name, means if she reacts negatively it might push what viewers she has away.

It's like the people working in retail. 90% of the time the person working behind the counter or in the halls of your local grocery store would have preferred if you never talked to them, and are putting on a friendly face as part of the job.

Additionally, this is just some rando online that you watch the videos of. You do not know who she is as a person. You've seen her only as an entertainer. What you're feeling is a phase of attraction due to liking her content.

@Anonwizard: Yeah I totally get that. Handheld stuff is just way more convenient since you can lay down while playing it. Super enjoyable.

Bartmanhomer

2020-05-22, 02:57 PM

She's in the middle of streaming, a job in which you basically have to keep up a happy, friendly personality because it's about fan interaction. A fan suddenly going "I'm in love with you!" or the equivalent, especially given she's a small name, means if she reacts negatively it might push what viewers she has away.

It's like the people working in retail. 90% of the time the person working behind the counter or in the halls of your local grocery store would have preferred if you never talked to them, and are putting on a friendly face as part of the job.

Additionally, this is just some random online that you watch the videos of. You do not know who she is as a person. You've seen her only as an entertainer. What you're feeling is a phase of attraction due to liking her content.

@Anonwizard: Yeah I totally get that. Handheld stuff is just way more convenient since you can lay down while playing it. Super enjoyable.

Ok, you do make some great points. But as I mentioned earlier she was just only the moderator of someone live stream.

LaZodiac

2020-05-22, 03:00 PM

Ok, you do make some great points. But as I mentioned earlier she was just only the moderator of someone live stream.

Okay so I missed that, and... I don't think that changes anything at all? I may have missed some of the details because I'm tired but just randomly telling people you barely know you're in love with them is kinda messy at best.

Hell, I said to to a friend I care a lot about with the full intent of "this is a familial love", and it caused things to be awkward for a bit. You can't just say words frivolously, you need to make SURE.

enderlord99

2020-05-22, 03:03 PM

Bartmanhomer, you're (probably) being more socially inept than me, and almost as much so as I once was. Seriously...

Bartmanhomer

2020-05-22, 03:07 PM

Bartmanhomer, you're (probably) being more socially inept than me, and almost as much so as I once was. Seriously...

Well everybody who knows me very well that I have Autism and ADHD. Maybe I'm socially inept in romantic situations. :sigh:

Aotrs Commander

2020-05-22, 03:11 PM

Zodi's right; it's not cool.

It is, fundementally, the same thing as doing an panto (or some oter live stage) and having someone wolf-whistle at you or shout it at you (NOT that I have ever personally experienced either, I hasten to add...!) Or dealing with hecklers. You kind of have to shrug it off - show must go on and all that. (To be able to not do that AND keep the rest of the audience engaged and happy is VERY difficult.)

(And this is why, ladies and gentlemen one reason (of many) Bleakbane Doesn't Stream, 'cos it's actually NOT that easy.

Okay, I probably COULD do it, at a push, with a moderate degree of competance, to be fair, I do have communication skills, between Panto, DMing and fronting all the wargames stuff I've done, but it's not something I would want to try an do on the regular or as a profession. But like, if in an INSANELY weird world where the Unexpectables or some vaunted persons invited me AND I actually had any appropriate equipment, I could probably manage adequately without making too much of a complete fool of myself (in a way that was not Part Of The Joke.))

Just-before-post-edit: It being a moderator isn't really any better.

Anonymouswizard

2020-05-22, 03:12 PM

Ok, you do make some great points. But as I mentioned earlier she was just only the moderator of someone live stream.

Everything Zodi said probably still applies. I'm sure any mod here will tell you that moderating is not an easy job, and it's likely even harder on a livestream when chat updates move fast and you have to perform damage control now.

I'm honestly shocked that you didn't get kicked from the chat. If I ran an entertainment business (as streamers effectively do) I'd not be very happy if customers were hitting on or flirting with my staff, especially my support staff (maybe not to an instant eternal ban level, but certainly to a 'would sir mind stepping out for five minutes to clear his head). Maybe I', unusually hardline on it, but I view it as somewhat abusive.

I mean, I personally hate it when people who don't know me do what you do (and I occasionally get it in person* a couple of times a week at work, because self-deprecation aside I'm pretty even with all this excess weight). It feels like people don't want to get to know you in person before making judgements. Although 'I think you're attractive and want to get to know you better' is very different, and you can tell which it is.

* very rarely seriously, but you can't tell in the moment.

enderlord99

2020-05-22, 03:15 PM

Well everybody who knows me very well that I have Autism and ADHD. Maybe I'm socially inept in romantic situations. :sigh:

Yes. Maybe stop trying to make them?

Bartmanhomer

2020-05-22, 03:17 PM

Everything Zodi said probably still applies. I'm sure any mod here will tell you that moderating is not an easy job, and it's likely even harder on a livestream when chat updates move fast and you have to perform damage control now.

I'm honestly shocked that you didn't get kicked from the chat. If I ran an entertainment business (as streamers effectively do) I'd not be very happy if customers were hitting on or flirting with my staff, especially my support staff (maybe not to an instant eternal ban level, but certainly to a 'would sir mind stepping out for five minutes to clear his head). Maybe I', unusually hardline on it, but I view it as somewhat abusive.

I mean, I personally hate it when people who don't know me do what you do (and I occasionally get it in person* a couple of times a week at work, because self-deprecation aside I'm pretty even with all this excess weight). It feels like people don't want to get to know you in person before making judgements. Although 'I think you're attractive and want to get to know you better' is very different, and you can tell which it is.

* very rarely seriously, but you can't tell in the moment.
Well I didn't get kicked out of the chat because everybody know me very well. And I didn't realize if that much of a bad deal I said what I said to her. She was ok with it. There was no drama at all from what transpired here.

PopeLinus1

2020-05-22, 03:46 PM

Ok, you do make some great points. But as I mentioned earlier she was just only the moderator of someone live stream.

Honestly, that might make it even worse. I've never been a mod, but I have seen examples online of mods,(especially female mods) getting harassed because they made decisions the community doesn't like.

Some online communities would absolutely harass a woman who tried to stop a situation like this, call them fragile, say that they couldn't take a compliment, ect, ect.

Bartmanhomer

2020-05-22, 03:48 PM

Honestly, that might make it even worse. I've never been a mod, but I have seen examples online of mods,(especially female mods) getting harassed because they made decisions the community doesn't like.

Some online communities would absolutely harass a woman who tried to stop a situation like this, call them fragile, say that they couldn't take a compliment, etc, etc.

Wow. I better be careful in the future.

Anonymouswizard

2020-05-22, 03:51 PM

Well everybody who knows me very well that I have Autism and ADHD. Maybe I'm socially inept in romantic situations. :sigh:

I have autism (and dyspraxia), but that doesn't mean I can't learn. Sure, social situations are hard to read, and I'm very lucky to have found somebody willing ti forgive awkwardness and pretty major mistakes to give me a chance. But I basically had to dspend five years at university learning to behave normally and I still need a lot of advice on getting past my 'does this feel weird stage'.

In short, you done ****ed up. And the problem is not that you done ****ed up, even any damage you caused can likely be fixed. /the problem is that instead of admitting it and learning from the mistake you've made continual justifications, none of which actually justify the act.

You have potentially hurt somebody who decided to grin and bare it, and your logic is 'she didn't look hurt'. Long story short, people act. People act all the time.

PopeLinus1

2020-05-22, 04:01 PM

Wow. I better be careful in the future.

Let me just give an example that could maybe help you understand a bit better.

Secretaries.

Anyone whose seen Mad Men probably knows about what I'm talking about here. Back in the old days, while secretaries filled a very useful role in making offices run, they had a secondary use as eye-candy for the men above them. Offices in those days,(and for... some time after) were filled with bosses sexually harassing the women within them.

And despite the fact that these women were being harassed, very few of them complained. Why? Because no one would care. In fact, complaining would actually probably hurt them, because women with that sort of reputation would have a harder time getting promoted, or hired.

The two situations are not identical, but just keep in mine that in a professional, or semi-professional setting, people don't always have very much autonomy.

Bartmanhomer

2020-05-22, 04:18 PM

I have autism (and dyspraxia), but that doesn't mean I can't learn. Sure, social situations are hard to read, and I'm very lucky to have found somebody willing ti forgive awkwardness and pretty major mistakes to give me a chance. But I basically had to dspend five years at university learning to behave normally and I still need a lot of advice on getting past my 'does this feel weird stage'.

In short, you done ****ed up. And the problem is not that you done ****ed up, even any damage you caused can likely be fixed. /the problem is that instead of admitting it and learning from the mistake you've made continual justifications, none of which actually justify the act.

You have potentially hurt somebody who decided to grin and bear it, and your logic is 'she didn't look hurt'. Long story short, people act. People act all the time.

Look nothing bad happen at all stuff that transpired and I didn't harm her to make her feel uncomfortable. If she said she was comfortable hearing to said I love her, then she was very comfortable hearing me say it. I wasn't pressuring her at all. So I really don't see the big deal was at this point. Because it's pretty much very moot at this point. :annoyed:

Anonymouswizard

2020-05-22, 04:23 PM

Fyraltari

2020-05-22, 04:32 PM

I'm going to talk to somebody who's agreed to a second date with me. Why?

Because I enjoy talking to her and come away feeling happy.
HEYYY! Congratulations, my dude!

DataNinja

2020-05-22, 04:34 PM

me I'm going to talk to somebody who's agreed to a second date with me. Why?

Because I enjoy talking to her and come away feeling happy.
Noice! I hope it works out for the two of you. :smallcool:

PopeLinus1

2020-05-22, 04:42 PM

Because that secretary definitely wants to sleep with their boss, or so I heard.

We've explained, several times, why it's likely not the case. I guess it's up to you if you liste, me I'm going to talk to somebody who's agreed to a second date with me. Why?

Because I enjoy talking to her and come away feeling happy.

D'awwwww. Your success warms my cold, frozen heart.

Bartmanhomer

2020-05-22, 05:27 PM

Because that secretary definitely wants to sleep with their boss, or so I heard.

We've explained, several times, why it's likely not the case. I guess it's up to you if you liste, me I'm going to talk to somebody who's agreed to a second date with me. Why?

Because I enjoy talking to her and come away feeling happy.
Maybe I should seek better romantic advice elsewhere. :annoyed:

PopeLinus1

2020-05-22, 05:29 PM

Maybe I should seek better romantic advice elsewhere. :annoyed:

Well, sure, if you want to learn how to successfully seduce someone you should absolutely go elsewhere, but I sort of feel like we've all given you advice likely as good as you will find.

Anonymouswizard

2020-05-22, 05:39 PM

Maybe I should seek better romantic advice elsewhere. :annoyed:

Think of this as less romantic advice and more of a 'how to not make a social faux pas. (I really can't spell.)

You want my honest to god advice on romance? Go out and meet fifty people.

Five will become friends.

One might be interested in more.

In the likelihood that it doesn't work out take as much time as you need to cool off, and go and meet another fifty.

And never, ever tell somebody that you love them without a personal connection or clear context if it's nonromantic. Like them yes, of you've had an actual one to one conversation, maybe 'you're cute' if you're 100% sure it's non creepy, bit nothing more until you've built a relationship.

Plus I'm certain I've acted as a massive creep in my current it's complicated, I'm lucky that if I have it's not something that the other person seems to mind.

The Fury

2020-05-22, 05:40 PM

Look nothing bad happen at all stuff that transpired and I didn't harm her to make her feel uncomfortable. If she said she was comfortable hearing to said I love her, then she was very comfortable hearing me say it. I wasn't pressuring her at all. So I really don't see the big deal was at this point. Because it's pretty much very moot at this point. :annoyed:

Full disclosure-- I am hopelessly inept at romance, so anything I say on the subject should probably be taken with a pinch of salt. Cool? Cool.

It might do to try to talk with her in private. That is, if she's up to it. If nothing else, I think it'll allow you to get a better sense of her feelings on the matter. If you've already done this, cool. As others have said, it's all well and good to confess your feelings to someone, as long as you're meeting on equal terms.

Because that secretary definitely wants to sleep with their boss, or so I heard.

We've explained, several times, why it's likely not the case. I guess it's up to you if you liste, me I'm going to talk to somebody who's agreed to a second date with me. Why?

Because I enjoy talking to her and come away feeling happy.

Heey, that's good! I've needed some good news, and I'm glad for you, buddy.

The job search is going... uh, going. At least there are three dealerships that have my resume now, though there may still be a hiring freeze on account of... everything. The Chevrolet dealership seemed to appreciate me being a car nerd, so there's that.

Anonymouswizard

2020-05-22, 05:57 PM

Full disclosure-- I am hopelessly inept at romance, so anything I say on the subject should probably be taken with a pinch of salt. Cool? Cool.

It might do to try to talk with her in private. That is, if she's up to it. If nothing else, I think it'll allow you to get a better sense of her feelings on the matter. If you've already done this, cool. As others have said, it's all well and good to confess your feelings to someone, as long as you're meeting on equal terms.

Honestly if I was in her shoes I'm not sure if I'd even respond to such s request, and if I did I wouldn't be able to post the reply here. Certainly I'd have some very choice words.

Maybe that's not how she thinks. But it's not nice to be wolf whistled when you come on stage (even if you're the principle boy in s panto wearing the traditional garb), and that informs my decisions

Heey, that's good! I've needed some good news, and I'm glad for you, buddy.

I mean, the main need is that it is more officially a second date, we're still waiting until the Apocalypse end and we can travel to actually see each other in person.

The job search is going... uh, going. At least there are three dealerships that have my resume now, though there may still be a hiring freeze on account of... everything. The Chevrolet dealership seemed to appreciate me being a car nerd, so there's that.

Just remember, if you sell a single car you can officially put 'better car salesbeing than Buzz Aldrin' on your CV :smallwink:

LaZodiac

2020-05-22, 06:23 PM

I'm going to talk to somebody who's agreed to a second date with me. Why?

Because I enjoy talking to her and come away feeling happy.

Congrats! I hope it goes well Anon. You're cooler than you realize.

The Fury

2020-05-22, 06:44 PM

Honestly if I was in her shoes I'm not sure if I'd even respond to such s request, and if I did I wouldn't be able to post the reply here. Certainly I'd have some very choice words.

Maybe that's not how she thinks. But it's not nice to be wolf whistled when you come on stage (even if you're the principle boy in s panto wearing the traditional garb), and that informs my decisions

Point being, that she should feel OK with saying "No." For that matter, if she does have some choice words it's be nice if she were allowed the space to say them. Though I'm willing to give Bartmanhomer some benefit of the doubt, you generally get a better sense of what people really feel when they're in a space that's not quite as public.

I mean, the main need is that it is more officially a second date, we're still waiting until the Apocalypse end and we can travel to actually see each other in person.

I hope that you do eventually see one another in person. I kind of miss face to face interactions. I met an old coworker today, just by random chance. It made me happier than it reasonably should have.

Just remember, if you sell a single car you can officially put 'better car salesbeing than Buzz Aldrin' on your CV :smallwink:

That is the truth. Though I'm more on the service side, not so much sales.

Liquor Box

2020-05-22, 07:17 PM

Maybe I should seek better romantic advice elsewhere. :annoyed:

Maybe you should.

It's probably fair to say that the people here are a bit of an echo chamber of a particular perspective which is probably not quite representative of most of the population. (I mean just a few pages ago someone advised that a co-worker asking to see someone's face was a massive red flag).

I see you have mentioned it in the relationship thread, and that may bring a slightly more (but not much more) diverse range of views than this thread.

in my opinion you haven't done anything wrong. Although, a confession of love was too much because people will see it as strange to fall in love with someone you've only seen on Youtube.

A fair rule of thumb is it's ok to ask, but stop immediately if she says no. The difficulty is that people will usually not be explicit, and instead you have to interpret their signals (which I take it you are not good at). In that case, its probably fair to say that if her 'signals' are more muted than your own (and pretty much anything is more muted than a declaration of love) it's a bad sign. In your case, I think you could try sending her a message asking her if she is interested in spending time with you, and if the answer is anything other than a clear 'yes', give up. Given the circumstances you've described though, I am not optimistic on your behalf.

DataNinja

2020-05-22, 07:32 PM

(I mean just a few pages ago someone advised that a co-worker asking to see someone's face was a massive red flag)

It wasn't asking to see the face that was weird (and it wasn't so much asking to see the face as a problem - though, proper safety precautions should still be followed), the part that just felt off was commenting specifically that they liked it. Which, while not necessarily an issue in itself, could be indicative of more problematic situations in the future. It definitely felt weird, which is what said person was asking about in the first place.

Liquor Box

2020-05-22, 07:46 PM

It wasn't asking to see the face that was weird (and it wasn't so much asking to see the face as a problem - though, proper safety precautions should still be followed), the part that just felt off was commenting specifically that they liked it. Which, while not necessarily an issue in itself, could be indicative of more problematic situations in the future. It definitely felt weird, which is what said person was asking about in the first place.

Yeah, fair enough - it was commenting on the face, rather than asking to see it.

Personally, I don't really think there's anything wrong with the comment either - I see it as a passing compliment (like hey you're kind - assuming kindness is also not relevant to the job). You felt a little differently - which is fine because we all have different perspectives informed by our different cultural setting and backgrounds. That's why its sometimes good to get diverse range of views rather than thinking there's one correct perspective on these sorts of issues.

LaZodiac

2020-05-22, 07:53 PM

I'll be honest aside from the creepy "hmm, nice face" thing, I'm also concerned given plague times is a thing. That's just irresponsible to tell someone to remove their mask.

The Fury

2020-05-22, 07:57 PM

Since it's my face, I think I should also clarify some things. It wasn't a coworker, but rather a manager at a place I was applying to work at. I should also mention that I usually don't know how to respond to compliments. The context of the compliment felt weird, and I'm still not sure if I'm the one with the problem or not.