Thurbane
2020-06-27, 06:31 PM
So, I asked about this in the Simple Raw Thread recently.
Q 599
The Dweomerkeeper's Supernatural Spell ability allow the caster to cast as spell as a supernatural ability which, among other things, means it does not require any components.
Would this allow the caster to ignore racial components, such as with the Dominate Vermin or Aberrate spells?
A 599
There are two ways to look at it.
By RAW, assuming one reads the word "components" in the Dweomerkeeper's entry as meaning components of all kinds, whether special or otherwise, then the answer is "Yes".
However, also by RAW, in the case of Aberrate and other spells from the Book of Vile Darkness that have the 'racial component', they are termed special components required for spells "in addition to the components from the PHB." Because the Dweomerkeeper only on the RAW allows one to eschew "components" and does not refer to "special components", it is at least arguable that the Supernatural Spell ability does not apply to it.
Speaking editorially, the writers of BoVD really should have used the word "prerequisite" in place of "component" on page 83. One assumes they didn't because they didn't want to create yet another template block, make the book longer, and therefore make it more expensive.
I had previously touched on the topic before (https://forums.giantitp.com/showthread.php?601155), as well.
What are some way to ignore the racial reqs of certain spells? I thought Dweomerkeeper would work, now I'm not so sure.
The only other way I can think of off the top of my head is changing forms in a way that actually grants you the required racial type.
Celestial Mystic 2 allows you to cast spells as if you were an Archon - not sure if there are other PrCs that give similar abilities for different races?
WOuld putting the spells in a Wand, Staff, Runestaff etc. allow anyone with the spell on their list to use it, regardless of race?
All help welcomed, but as usual, PF, 3rd party and home-brew aren't useful for my purposes.
I've made a list of spells below: are there spells outside of BoED, BoVD and DotU that have racial components?
Cheers - T
Q 599
The Dweomerkeeper's Supernatural Spell ability allow the caster to cast as spell as a supernatural ability which, among other things, means it does not require any components.
Would this allow the caster to ignore racial components, such as with the Dominate Vermin or Aberrate spells?
A 599
There are two ways to look at it.
By RAW, assuming one reads the word "components" in the Dweomerkeeper's entry as meaning components of all kinds, whether special or otherwise, then the answer is "Yes".
However, also by RAW, in the case of Aberrate and other spells from the Book of Vile Darkness that have the 'racial component', they are termed special components required for spells "in addition to the components from the PHB." Because the Dweomerkeeper only on the RAW allows one to eschew "components" and does not refer to "special components", it is at least arguable that the Supernatural Spell ability does not apply to it.
Speaking editorially, the writers of BoVD really should have used the word "prerequisite" in place of "component" on page 83. One assumes they didn't because they didn't want to create yet another template block, make the book longer, and therefore make it more expensive.
I had previously touched on the topic before (https://forums.giantitp.com/showthread.php?601155), as well.
What are some way to ignore the racial reqs of certain spells? I thought Dweomerkeeper would work, now I'm not so sure.
The only other way I can think of off the top of my head is changing forms in a way that actually grants you the required racial type.
Celestial Mystic 2 allows you to cast spells as if you were an Archon - not sure if there are other PrCs that give similar abilities for different races?
WOuld putting the spells in a Wand, Staff, Runestaff etc. allow anyone with the spell on their list to use it, regardless of race?
All help welcomed, but as usual, PF, 3rd party and home-brew aren't useful for my purposes.
I've made a list of spells below: are there spells outside of BoED, BoVD and DotU that have racial components?
Cheers - T