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SangoProduction
2020-07-19, 10:53 PM
So, I found this Jailer archetype, which had the following ability.


At 2nd level, as a standard action, the jailer may release a burst of restrictive magic towards a single creature within [30 feet]. The target must succeed a Reflex save (DC 10 + 1/2 his class level + his [wisdom] modifier) or be entangled for a number of rounds equal to the jailer’s class level. Entangled creatures may attempt to break free as a move action by attempting a Strength check or Escape Artist check against the Reflex save DC.

So, basically, you give up your opportunity to attack, in order to potentially entangle someone for a few rounds (until you get higher level)....but that's the only cost there is to it. Although the standard action effect can be broken by a move action (or no action in the case of a successful initial save. But if they do fail 3 consecutive times, then you've traded up on action economy, and you applied the debuff.

Ignoring later enhancements to the ability (it seems to kinda be the core theme of the archetype), would this be even slightly be something you would consider using?

Kayblis
2020-07-19, 11:07 PM
This is a pretty minor effect that won't see much use. Assuming it's a base class ability, you'll often be looking at a DC of 15~20 which is pretty low, even lower if the class doesn't use Wisdom as its main stat. The fact it's single target already makes it considerably inferior to the 1st level spell of the same name, which is not a good prospect. Combined with a Move action to escape with the same low DC, it's a waste of a turn to bet on such low odds and the ability will only ever see use if the character doesn't have any other options to waste his standard action on. Being better than nothing is not good enough when you're limited to one action a turn.

Psyren
2020-07-20, 10:57 AM
You're trading your standard action for their move action each round - not ideal unless you outnumber that one foe, and even if you do there's probably something better you can do with your standard action than that. It also says "burst of restrictive magic" - I'm guessing SR applies, but I don't know enough about this (sphere?) ability to know if it has those kinds of drawbacks. Lastly,they may not have to break free at all, if a foe is in reach they can just full-attack. The nature of this entanglement also seems fairly intangible ("restrictive magic") rather than something physical like a web or adhesive, so you probably don't get the "anchor to solid object" function of entangle that stops them from actually moving, so they may not have to break free at all, in which case this actually means you're throwing your standard away for nothing.

Kurald Galain
2020-07-20, 12:32 PM
Ignoring later enhancements to the ability (it seems to kinda be the core theme of the archetype), would this be even slightly be something you would consider using?
In combat, not really.

However, it is situationally useful if somebody tries to run away from you.