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Thurbane
2020-07-20, 06:40 PM
So, I have some questions about the Adept and their Summon Familiar class feature, and how to optimise it. I know Adept is an NPC class and not meant to be optimal for PC use, but I'm still interested, mainly for NPC purposes.

Adepts, being divine casters, miss out on some familiar based stuff, because they do not innately have an arcane caster level. Improved Familiars, for instance, are based on a characters Arcane Caster Level.


Spells
An adept casts divine spells which are drawn from the adept spell list (see below).

Summon Familiar
At 2nd level, an adept can call a familiar, just as a sorcerer or wizard can.



Q 642

Are there any general ACF equivalents for swapping out a familiar, that aren't class specific? If it helps, looking for something an Adept (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/npcClasses/adept.htm) can utilise.

A 642: Yes.

Two from Dragon 348: Focus Caster and Arcane Reabsorption. Explicitly "appropriate for any class with the familiar class feature."

Arcane Reabsorption: if your spell is countered by a counterspell or doesn't pass a creature's SR, you may attempt to reabsorb the arcane energy just spent as an immediate action, i.e. get the spell straight back.

Focus Caster
Benefit: Instead of a familiar, you bind yourself to a masterwork item that acts as a focus for all your spells and that enhances the power of spells of one school. Once you have a masterwork item to bind to, you must perform a ritual that requires 24 hours and reagents costing 100 gp, much as if you were summoning a familiar.

When casting any spell, you must hold, wield, or wear this item (as appropriate), in addition to providing the normal components of the spell (even other foci). Your focus item is used in addition to the spell's normal components, not instead of. You are automatically considered proficient with your focus item, but you do not gain proficiency with any other item (weapon or armor) of the same type. For example, if your focus item is a longsword, you are proficient with your focus longsword but not with any other longsword, unless of course another feat or class feature grants you proficiency. When you cast a spell from the school to which your focus belongs, that spell is enhanced. At 7th and 15th levels, your focus grants additional abilities.

You may have only one focus item at a time. A specialist wizard may select only the focus appropriate to her specialty school. Bonuses gained from a focus item stack with similar bonuses gained from feats such as Spell Focus or Spell Penetration.

Your focus item grows tougher as you advance in level. The hardness of your focus item increases by one-half your caster level, up to double its normal hardness. In addition, your focus item gains additional hit points equal to your caster level, up to double its normal number of hit points. These bonuses are in addition to any increase in hardness or hit points the item gains for being made into a magic item.

If your focus item can be enhanced with magic, it costs you less XP to do so. When determining your XP cost for making your focus item into a magic item (or for upgrading it later), reduce the base cost by 10%. This reduction stacks with any other reduction you might gain, such as from the Legendary Artisan feat. Another character enhancing your focus item does not gain this reduction in XP cost.

If your focus item is destroyed, you must bind yourself to another masterwork item. You cannot bind to an item that is already a magic item. You can only bind to masterwork items. The item can be made of special materials (such as adamantine, cold iron, or darkwood).

The following items are typical foci for each of the standard schools.

Abjuration: Usually a set of bracers, a buckler, or a small shield (wooden or steel), your focus grants any nonpersonal abjuration spell you cast with one or more targets one additional target. The additional target is affected by the spell for half the normal duration. At 7th level, the additional targets of your spells receive them for the full duration. At 15th level, you may cast any personal abjuration spell as a touch spell.

Conjuration: Usually a gnarled and twisted quarterstaff or other polearm, your focus increases the duration of any conjuration spell you cast by 1 round (including spells that require concentration). Spells that require concentration also continue for 1 extra round after you stop concentrating. At 7th level, the duration bonuses each increase by 2 rounds. At 15th level, the duration bonuses each increase by 3 rounds.

Divination: Usually a large crystal (loose or mounted on a rod or staff) or ornate holy symbol, your focus increases the caster level of any divination spell you cast by +1. At 7th level, the duration of any divination spell you cast doubles. At 15th level, you gain a bonus to resist divinations equal to 1 + your Intelligence modifier (minimum +1).

Enchantment: Usually an ornate and typically nonfunctional piece of clothing, such as a sash or a hair ribbon, your focus increases the duration of any enchantment spell you cast by 1 round (including spells that require concentration). Spells that require concentration also continue for 1 extra round after you stop concentrating. At 7th level, the duration bonuses each increase by 2 rounds. At 15th level, the DC of your enchantment spells increases by +2.

Evocation: Usually a bladed weapon, such as a longsword or dagger, your focus grants +1 point of damage to any evocation spell you cast. Non-area effect spells that allow multiple targets (such as magic missile) only deal the bonus damage to a single target of your choice. For example, a fireball spell cast by a 6th-level sorcerer with this focus deals 6d6+1 points of damage to all creatures caught within it, while a magic missile spell cast by the same sorcerer creates three missiles: two that deal 1d4+1 points of damage and one that deals 1d4+2 points of damage. At 7th level, evocation spells you cast ignore the first 5 points of any energy or elemental resistances that a creature may have. Immunities are not affected. At 15th level, you may, once per day, ignore a creature's immunity when you cast an evocation spell that affects it.

Illusion: Usually a mask, shroud, cloak, or similar concealing piece of clothing, your focus increases the caster level of illusion spells you cast by +1. At 7th level, for every illusion spell you cast you gain a bonus on caster level checks made to defeat spell resistance equal to half your caster level. At 15th level, you may cast any personal illusion spell as a touch spell.

Necromancy: Usually a flail, kama, sickle, scythe, or other weapon derived from harvesting crops, your focus increases the range of any necromancy spell you cast by +25%. At 7th level, any necromancy spell you cast that deals ability damage, ability drain, or directly assigns a penally to an ability score deals +1 point of ability damage or ability drain or increases the penalty by an additional -1. For example, a 12th-level necromancer who casts ray of enfeeblement bestows a Strength penalty of 1d6+6 instead of the normal 1d6+5. At 15th level, any living creature affected by a necromancy spell you cast and fails the Fortitude save against it also becomes fatigued.

Transmutation: Usually a piece of equipment or set of tools used to create something (such as thieves' tools, a musical instrument, or artisan's tools), your focus grants any nonpersonal transmutation spell you cast with one or more targets one additional target. The additional target is affected by the spell for half the normal duration. At 7th level, the additional targets of your spells receive them for the full duration. At 15th level, once per day, a transmutation spell you cast that grants a bonus to ability scores doubles the bonus. For example, a bull's strength spell grants a +8 bonus to Strength instead of the normal +4.

So, how would you optimise a familiar for an Adept, or alternatively: how would you swap out the familiar for something better, or get yourself an arcane caster level? Might also be interesting to see what a Magewright can do, although that's a secondary consideration for my purposes.

Assume this is for a single classed Adept, of a "regular" LA +0 race with no templates.

Usual guidelines for my table: no PF, no 3rd party, no home-brew; Dragon and Dungeon material is generally frowned upon; psionics, incarnum and artificers are not in play. Alternate rules from UA are on a case-by-case basis.

Complete List of Possible Familiars (updated version) (https://forums.giantitp.com/showthread.php?553103)

The Familiars' Handbook (http://bg-archive.minmaxforum.com/index.php?topic=7508.0)

Cheers - T

Endarire
2020-07-20, 06:55 PM
My understanding is that for familiar purposes, Adept level = Wizard level. You're still a divine caster in a system with some rules that were poorly written.

Still, Hummingbird (+4 init) and Raven (speak a language, UMD stuff) are spiffy for their bonuses.

Thurbane
2020-07-20, 07:20 PM
My understanding is that for familiar purposes, Adept level = Wizard level. You're still a divine caster in a system with some rules that were poorly written.

Still, Hummingbird (+4 init) and Raven (speak a language, UMD stuff) are spiffy for their bonuses.

UMD is a good call, and you can get it with Aereni Focus (for an elf) or Apprentice: Spellcaster. :smallsmile:

Palanan
2020-07-20, 08:19 PM
Originally Posted by Endarire
Still, Hummingbird (+4 init)....

As I recall, whoever wrote the hummingbird entry acknowledged that the +4 was an error, and it was intended to be +2.

That said, if you want to lean into it, the elf wizard racial substitution levels (Races of the Wild p. 157) double whatever bonus you receive from your familiar, which potentially nets you a +8 initiative.

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Endarire
2020-07-20, 09:58 PM
The Elven Generalist only doubles certain things and initiative isn't one.

Thurbane
2020-07-20, 10:42 PM
It's more race-related than I would like, but a Krinth Adept can take the Shadowform Familiar feat to make the familiar incorporeal. Could a Shifter qualify to take that feat?

You could also qualify for Stitched Flesh Familiar by 8th level.

Crake
2020-07-21, 01:40 AM
As I recall, whoever wrote the hummingbird entry acknowledged that the +4 was an error, and it was intended to be +2.

That said, if you want to lean into it, the elf wizard racial substitution levels (Races of the Wild p. 157) double whatever bonus you receive from your familiar, which potentially nets you a +8 initiative.

The familiar bonuses are all mostly analogous to a feat's bonuses (+2 to saves, +3 to skills, 3hp) so it would make sense that the familiar bonus to initiative is +4, the same as the improved initiative feat

Palanan
2020-07-21, 07:43 AM
Originally Posted by Endarire
The Elven Generalist only doubles certain things and initiative isn't one.

Argh, so it seems.


Originally Posted by Crake
The familiar bonuses are all mostly analogous to a feat's bonuses (+2 to saves, +3 to skills, 3hp) so it would make sense that the familiar bonus to initiative is +4, the same as the improved initiative feat

Maybe so, but I’m pretty confident of the comments by the person who wrote it. A lot of people seem to think that +4 is fairly strong for a familiar bonus, especially to initiative.

thorr-kan
2020-07-22, 11:24 AM
I can see Focus Caster as an ACF, but not Arcane Reabsorbtion. It specifically calls out arcane energy; adept is a divine caster.

If you're allowing alternate familiar sources, Dragon 280, 323, and 341 have alternate familiars.

Adept is weird; it's the only NPC class with alternate class features.

MaxiDuRaritry
2020-07-22, 03:13 PM
I can see Focus Caster as an ACF, but not Arcane Reabsorbtion. It specifically calls out arcane energy; adept is a divine caster.Alternative Source Spell (if you have a level in an arcane class or have Southern Magician) and Southern Magician both allow for casting adept spells as arcane.

Thurbane
2020-07-22, 03:58 PM
It would make things a lot easier if you could get an "arcane caster level" on a single classed Adept, but each time I've pursued that line of inquiry (usually for entry into Sand Shaper or similar), the results have been less than optimistic:

Arcane Caster Level Without An Arcane Class (https://forums.giantitp.com/showthread.php?186052)

Arcane Caster Level - Without Casting (https://forums.giantitp.com/showthread.php?477696)

Yogibear41
2020-07-22, 04:15 PM
May or may not be RAW, but I think most people would let you use your adept level as "arcane caster level" in regards to improved familiars. If you are open to 3rd party, Moongoose has a nice book that lets you obtain alternate familiars, based on trading a spell slot permanently for a higher CR Familiar. If I remember its basically Spell slot level -1 = Familiar CR. So if you gave up a single 5th level spell slot permanently you could obtain any CR 4 creature as a familiar. (there is also a spell involved that would take up a "known spell" of the same level if you were a sorcerer type)

EDIT: Books name is Crouching Monkey Hidden Toad its from the Encyclopaedia Arcane series.

Calimmacil
2020-07-22, 08:58 PM
The Magical Training feat (PGtF 41) allows you to cast 3 cantrips per day either as a 1st level sorcerer or wizard. If you go the wizard route, it even grants you a spellbook, that you could add to, to expand your menu of cantrips.

Thurbane
2020-07-22, 09:36 PM
If you are open to 3rd party, Moongoose has a nice book that lets you obtain alternate familiars, based on trading a spell slot permanently for a higher CR Familiar. If I remember its basically Spell slot level -1 = Familiar CR. So if you gave up a single 5th level spell slot permanently you could obtain any CR 4 creature as a familiar. (there is also a spell involved that would take up a "known spell" of the same level if you were a sorcerer type)

EDIT: Books name is Crouching Monkey Hidden Toad its from the Encyclopaedia Arcane series.

Interesting. We don't generally include much 3rd party, but I might have a lok at that one.

Speaking of third party, I own a copy of The Book of Familiars (https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51YFJHZCKHL._SX384_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg), which has some funky stuff, so I might crack that open.


The Magical Training feat (PGtF 41) allows you to cast 3 cantrips per day either as a 1st level sorcerer or wizard. If you go the wizard route, it even grants you a spellbook, that you could add to, to expand your menu of cantrips.

Interesting. I'm pretty sure there are ways to boost your CL with that feat too, which some people claim can give you 9th level spell slots. I wouldn't be looking for that level of cheese, but might help with Improved Familiars etc. for an Adept.

thorr-kan
2020-07-22, 10:12 PM
Interesting. We don't generally include much 3rd party, but I might have a lok at that one.

Speaking of third party, I own a copy of The Book of Familiars (https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51YFJHZCKHL._SX384_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg), which has some funky stuff, so I might crack that open.



Interesting. I'm pretty sure there are ways to boost your CL with that feat too, which some people claim can give you 9th level spell slots. I wouldn't be looking for that level of cheese, but might help with Improved Familiars etc. for an Adept.
Least cheesiest seems to be Magical Initiate + Practices Spellcaster for CL 5.

Darg
2020-07-23, 07:23 PM
At 2nd level, an adept can call a familiar, just as a sorcerer or wizard can.

Seems really clear to me. There are also mentions in other places that familiars are assumed only available to arcane casters. There isn't an exception to the "just as" rule in the class feature. This means that in all ways it functions as if you were a sorcerer or wizard of the same level.

Improved familiar requires you to have the ability to acquire a new familiar and a compatible alignment in order to get the feat. You can then decide to acquire a familiar based on your arcane caster level. Recall the quote above? When it pertains directly to the familiar in this way you qualify to choose from the list. This also allows you to qualify for celestial familiar as well in the same way.

Thurbane
2020-07-23, 07:54 PM
Seems really clear to me. There are also mentions in other places that familiars are assumed only available to arcane casters. There isn't an exception to the "just as" rule in the class feature. This means that in all ways it functions as if you were a sorcerer or wizard of the same level.

Improved familiar requires you to have the ability to acquire a new familiar and a compatible alignment in order to get the feat. You can then decide to acquire a familiar based on your arcane caster level. Recall the quote above? When it pertains directly to the familiar in this way you qualify to choose from the list. This also allows you to qualify for celestial familiar as well in the same way.

That's certainly one valid reading of RAW, but I would expect there to be some variation from table to table.