Any other NPC classes? Tier of Gleaner NPC class?

[reddir]

A link to The Gleaner (https://web.archive.org/web/20170815034614/https://www.giantitp.com/articles/gk7uKJeF296jRcx1NJw.html) was just posted and I like the flavor and build of it - a sort of varient Adept. What Tier would it be placed in? I am guessing Tier 5 or Tier 4.

Are there any other NPC classes out there? I am looking to populate my world and these NPC classes make a lot more sense for the majority of the population than PC classes, and I want more variety than the official NPC classes.

[Palanan]

I'm no expert on tiering, but adepts are usually pegged at Tier 5. The gleaner is based on the adept chassis with fewer utility spells--or at least fewer that could be applied outside of an agricultural setting.

As for other NPC classes, the magewright is on p. 256 of the Eberron campaign setting, although it's designed for the assumptions of that setting, which may not line up with yours.

[reddir]

I'm no expert on tiering, but adepts are usually pegged at Tier 5. The gleaner is based on the adept chassis with fewer utility spells--or at least fewer that could be applied outside of an agricultural setting.
It the more recent Tiering Adept was placed at Tier 4.

And the Gleaner also has a beast companion which should up the potential a bit.


As for other NPC classes, the magewright is on p. 256 of the Eberron campaign setting, although it's designed for the assumptions of that setting, which may not line up with yours.

I will check it out. Are there any particular aspects of the class you feel might not fit in with other settings?

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[Luccan]

It's probably top of tier 5 or bottom of tier 4? Its low level spells are generally pretty specific and not necessarily relevant to an adventurer every day. Bottom tier HP, BAB, and Skills. Only Simple weapons and no armor. Unlike Adept they have no support outside this(having never even seen an official release). Still, generally more useful than a Magewright that's out of their element, since they can swap out their spells. Blessed Beast isn't quite Animal Companion, though it can apply to multiple creatures (and in the right circumstance is certainly more useful than a Familiar is to an Adept) and seems to have the capacity to change day to day. Wild Empathy is nice, but again has limited applicability. Honestly, its main weakness in comparison to the other two NPC casters is a heavy focus on animals. You can contribute outside it, but the options are a bit limited. You'll probably fair better than the Magewright, at least at early levels. It's not as abusable as Adept or Magewright at higher levels since it doesn't get an equivalent to Animate Dead, but that's hardly a "regular" thing, so it probably evens out to being between the two in power.

[Palanan]

Originally Posted by reddir
Are there any particular aspects of the class you feel might not fit in with other settings?

The magewright is intended to fit into the highly magical society of Eberron, but it does have a fairly limited spell list. It comes down to how comfortable you are having arcane utility spells in frequent use in your general population.

Also, magewright gets Animate Dead, so it’s worth considering if there are societies in your setting which would have strong views about this spell one way or the other.

[reddir]

It's probably top of tier 5 or bottom of tier 4? Its low level spells are generally pretty specific and not necessarily relevant to an adventurer every day. Bottom tier HP, BAB, and Skills. Only Simple weapons and no armor. Unlike Adept they have no support outside this(having never even seen an official release). Still, generally more useful than a Magewright that's out of their element, since they can swap out their spells. Blessed Beast isn't quite Animal Companion, though it can apply to multiple creatures (and in the right circumstance is certainly more useful than a Familiar is to an Adept) and seems to have the capacity to change day to day. Wild Empathy is nice, but again has limited applicability. Honestly, its main weakness in comparison to the other two NPC casters is a heavy focus on animals. You can contribute outside it, but the options are a bit limited. You'll probably fair better than the Magewright, at least at early levels. It's not as abusable as Adept or Magewright at higher levels since it doesn't get an equivalent to Animate Dead, but that's hardly a "regular" thing, so it probably evens out to being between the two in power.

This is a great breakdown comparison, thank you!

[King of Nowhere]

Are there any other NPC classes out there? I am looking to populate my world and these NPC classes make a lot more sense for the majority of the population than PC classes, and I want more variety than the official NPC classes.

my signature has the link for my homebrewed one: the specialized expert, meant to be a better representation of an actual scholar or specialist than the expert class.

[Gnaeus]

I’d put it in T5, well below adept.

At every level, adept gets spells which a wizard would be delighted to scribe. Mirror image, animate dead, polymorph, heal. Really good stuff. If Adept progression had them getting that on the levels they would go to a sorcerer they would be compared favorably to T2s until they ran out of spell levels.

If gleaners were getting their 5th level spells at ECL 10 they would still be low T4. Their spells are just bad. A level 5 adept (4 with decent wisdom) will pick between cure mod, scorching ray, invisibility, see invisibility, web, mirror image. What does a level 6 (or 5) gleaner take? Fog cloud and level delayed CLW?

At 3, adept sees animate dead as a standout. But also Lightning bolt, bestow curse, cure serious, several good status removals (as a prepared caster only when he needs them.) gleaner gets call lightning, cure moderate? It can dominate an animal for 10 rounds at a level at which untemplated animals have basically gone away as threats?

The gleaner shouldn’t be compared with adept. It should be compared with sohei, hexblade, Truenamer and mountebank. And it doesn’t stack up well with any of them. I can’t see any level where it beats truenamer.

I would not consider the gleaner’s delayed, worse animal companion to be a match with a familiar at any level. The ranger animal companion is too weak to be combat viable and this is clearly worse, for selection and abilities and harder to improve.

All this analysis ignores the Domain adept ACF but that only widens the gap.


Still, generally more useful than a Magewright that's out of their element, since they can swap out their spells.

Cite please. They look to me like they have sorcerer casting mechanic, with spells known. There is one spot where it mentions preparing spells but given the remainder of the spells section I think that’s an error.

I’d take the mage Wright spell list over gleaner. Especially since the poor magewright can at least take Arcane Disciple for a handful of decent spells.


. Blessed Beast isn't quite Animal Companion, though it can apply to multiple creatures (and in the right circumstance is certainly more useful than a Familiar is to an Adept) and seems to have the capacity to change day to day.

Hardly.
“The ritual of blessing requires eight hours, and the gleaner must have access to the beast that is to be blessed. The creature must have a friendly attitude towards the gleaner; otherwise the ritual will fail. If the blessed beast dies, or if the gleaner removes the blessing by choice, he must wait four months before he can apply that blessing to another creature.“

The good. While it’s spellcasting is poor, it has so much of its power tied into its para-companion that it’s a decent tier 5 gestalt for another class with a decent wis/cha, like divine mind.

[ShurikVch]

Dungeon #100/Polyhedron #159 have Mlar - githyanki-specific NPC class: spontaneous Int-based caster with very short spell list:


Class level
Spell level
Spells

1
0th
Mending, Prestidigitation

2
1st
Magic Weapon

4
2nd
Make Whole

7
3rd
Stone Shape

10
4th
Minor Creation

13
5th
Fabricate

16
6th
Major Creation


Unusually, the class is only 16 levels long...

[Palanan]

Originally Posted by reddir
Are there any other NPC classes out there?

Two other classes you might consider are from the Dragonlance Campaign Setting, which is generally considered Wizards first-party material.

The first is the mystic, which uses the sorcerer chassis to spontaneously cast cleric spells, keyed to Wisdom. The mystic gains one domain and thus has access to bonus spells.

The second is the noble, which is a slightly touched-up aristocrat, with a couple class features which echo some of the bard’s abilities.

Although these were presented as PC classes, they’re bland enough they could serve as slightly stronger NPCs. In the retiering thread that you provided, the noble is listed as Tier 5 and the mystic as Tier 2. I expect you're aware of these already, just mentioning a couple more options that might find a niche in your setting.

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[Luccan]

I’d put it in T5, well below adept.

At every level, adept gets spells which a wizard would be delighted to scribe. Mirror image, animate dead, polymorph, heal. Really good stuff. If Adept progression had them getting that on the levels they would go to a sorcerer they would be compared favorably to T2s until they ran out of spell levels.

If gleaners were getting their 5th level spells at ECL 10 they would still be low T4. Their spells are just bad. A level 5 adept (4 with decent wisdom) will pick between cure mod, scorching ray, invisibility, see invisibility, web, mirror image. What does a level 6 (or 5) gleaner take? Fog cloud and level delayed CLW?

At 3, adept sees animate dead as a standout. But also Lightning bolt, bestow curse, cure serious, several good status removals (as a prepared caster only when he needs them.) gleaner gets call lightning, cure moderate? It can dominate an animal for 10 rounds at a level at which untemplated animals have basically gone away as threats?

The gleaner shouldn’t be compared with adept. It should be compared with sohei, hexblade, Truenamer and mountebank. And it doesn’t stack up well with any of them. I can’t see any level where it beats truenamer.

I would not consider the gleaner’s delayed, worse animal companion to be a match with a familiar at any level. The ranger animal companion is too weak to be combat viable and this is clearly worse, for selection and abilities and harder to improve.

All this analysis ignores the Domain adept ACF but that only widens the gap.



Cite please. They look to me like they have sorcerer casting mechanic, with spells known. There is one spot where it mentions preparing spells but given the remainder of the spells section I think that’s an error.

I’d take the mage Wright spell list over gleaner. Especially since the poor magewright can at least take Arcane Disciple for a handful of decent spells.



Hardly.
“The ritual of blessing requires eight hours, and the gleaner must have access to the beast that is to be blessed. The creature must have a friendly attitude towards the gleaner; otherwise the ritual will fail. If the blessed beast dies, or if the gleaner removes the blessing by choice, he must wait four months before he can apply that blessing to another creature.“

The good. While it’s spellcasting is poor, it has so much of its power tied into its para-companion that it’s a decent tier 5 gestalt for another class with a decent wis/cha, like divine mind.

You're right, it does have a spells known section I somehow missed. That's a a good bit worse. OTOH, it flat out starts with more spells than a magewright. Even one that takes Arcane Disciple still starts with 5 spells known, at most, if they aren't playing an LA+ race and you'll never have more than ~30 spells, only one of each level will be a domain spell. And you have to split yourself between Int and Wisdom to fully benefit from the feat, making you much more MAD.

I think you're looking at better options if you're set up just right with Magewright, but otherwise Gleaner can select spells that are more relevant more often and never needs to worry about not knowing enough spells

Blessed Beast isn't a switch out every day, you're right. I still think having the beast is probably the best class feature any of the three get, particularly at low levels

[Gnaeus]

You're right, it does have a spells known section I somehow missed. That's a a good bit worse. OTOH, it flat out starts with more spells than a magewright. Even one that takes Arcane Disciple still starts with 5 spells known, at most, if they aren't playing an LA+ race and you'll never have more than ~30 spells, only one of each level will be a domain spell. And you have to split yourself between Int and Wisdom to fully benefit from the feat, making you much more MAD.

I think you're looking at better options if you're set up just right with Magewright, but otherwise Gleaner can select spells that are more relevant more often and never needs to worry about not knowing enough spells

I think any time “is it better than a magewright” is a question that needs detailed analysis we probably know all we need to know. I’m not sure you are wrong. I think I could make the magewright argument in good faith. But I wouldn’t consider either one as anything but a (Gestalt with a Tier 5 class) option, or even a very good option for that out of T5s. At that point the analysis probably drops to:
Gleaner is a Wis class, and therefore competing with better T5s, but it does have the companion. Magewright is int, so has less low tier competition, and is an arcane caster so can more easily expand list, or get a familiar with feats.

[Curelomosaurus]

There's a religious adept variant somewhere that gets a Cleric domain rather than a familiar. Adepts can also trade familiars for ACFs just as a sorcerer or wizard might.

Dragonlance books also contain the Master Performer (sucky non-magic bard), Master Sage (sucky non-magic Archivist), Master Professional (weird Diplomancer), Master Crafter (sucky non-magic Artificer), and Mariner (sucky fighter/rogue) classes, which are PC classes similar to the Noble and Mystic in terms of power level. They work great for NPCs.

EDIT: There's also an Urban Adept somewhere. The Crystalkeep index has it, IIRC.

[Luccan]

There's a religious adept variant somewhere that gets a Cleric domain rather than a familiar. Adepts can also trade familiars for ACFs just as a sorcerer or wizard might.

Dragonlance books also contain the Master Performer (sucky non-magic bard), Master Sage (sucky non-magic Archivist), Master Professional (weird Diplomancer), Master Crafter (sucky non-magic Artificer), and Mariner (sucky fighter/rogue) classes, which are PC classes similar to the Noble and Mystic in terms of power level. They work great for NPCs.

EDIT: There's also an Urban Adept somewhere. The Crystalkeep index has it, IIRC.

I believe Urban Adept is from the Sharn book, but I could be wrong.

[Palanan]

Originally Posted by Curelomosaurus
There's a religious adept variant somewhere that gets a Cleric domain rather than a familiar.

This is on p. 256 of the Eberron Campaign Setting, right above magewright. It's described as identical to the DMG adept, with the addition of selecting one cleric domain. There's nothing in the description about trading the familiar for the domain, so presumably the Eberron adept gains both the domain and the familiar.

[Luccan]

This is on p. 256 of the Eberron Campaign Setting, right above magewright. It's described as identical to the DMG adept, with the addition of selecting one cleric domain. There's nothing in the description about trading the familiar for the domain, so presumably the Eberron adept gains both the domain and the familiar.

Huh. I wonder why I've always heard that it trades the familiar for a domain

[Palanan]

I suppose it's an easy assumption to make, since this is probably the most obscure NPC variant out there.

It's a weird version of a domain, though--you don't get one extra slot per level for your domain spells, but rather you add the domain spells to your adept list and prepare them as needed in regular spell slots. Hardly seems worth the effort, unless there are specific domain spells you really want on your NPC.

[ShurikVch]

Speaking about the Adept ACF: Grodd Goblins (Into the Dragons' Lair) get different spell list, and racial Shadow Kinship SQ allow their Adepts to rebuke/command Shadows

[Gnaeus]

I suppose it's an easy assumption to make, since this is probably the most obscure NPC variant out there.

It's a weird version of a domain, though--you don't get one extra slot per level for your domain spells, but rather you add the domain spells to your adept list and prepare them as needed in regular spell slots. Hardly seems worth the effort, unless there are specific domain spells you really want on your NPC.

It lets you flavor it to specific gods, and qualifies for PRCs. It’s a straight power up if not a huge one.

This conversation really made me want to waste my day building a magewright//gleaner. Which I think might be tier 4 and playable.

[reddir]

my signature has the link for my homebrewed one: the specialized expert, meant to be a better representation of an actual scholar or specialist than the expert class.

I like the targetted approach a lot better than what we get with the Expert! I was struggling with how to fit in the many skills for the Expert with a 'normal' person who pursues a skill - your class fixes that right up!

I still like the expert for a buisnessperson or entrepreneur who needs several skills to be able to make things happen. But for a person skilled at one field - the normal more typical type of person - your's fits very well.

Thank you.

[reddir]

Dungeon #100/Polyhedron #159 have Mlar - githyanki-specific NPC class: spontaneous Int-based caster with very short spell list:
...
Unusually, the class is only 16 levels long...

I like the Mlar for a kind of craftsperson with a touch of magic!

Wow, so many ideas coming off of this, for mixing just a bit of magic into other basic classes, to show how this is a magic-heavy setting...or at least to put in places that might be more saturated with magic than is usual.

Very nice to see this sort of class in D&D.

[reddir]

Two other classes you might consider are from the Dragonlance Campaign Setting, which is generally considered Wizards first-party material.

The first is the mystic, which uses the sorcerer chassis to spontaneously cast cleric spells, keyed to Wisdom. The mystic gains one domain and thus has access to bonus spells.

The second is the noble, which is a slightly touched-up aristocrat, with a couple class features which echo some of the bard’s abilities.

Although these were presented as PC classes, they’re bland enough they could serve as slightly stronger NPCs. In the retiering thread that you provided, the noble is listed as Tier 5 and the mystic as Tier 2. I expect you're aware of these already, just mentioning a couple more options that might find a niche in your setting.

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I saw them on the list but didn't know any details about them. Thank you for mentioning them and giving a brief line about what they are.

[Curelomosaurus]

You can find the Noble class here (http://dnd.arkalseif.info/classes/noble/index.html). Master doesn't seem to be online unless you find a PDF of War of the Lance.

[thorr-kan]

An index of NPC classes, gleaned from previous research. Yes, it includes some third party.

Adept, Religious - Eberron Campaign Setting

Adept, Psychic - Athas.org or http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?242683-npc-classes-psionic-and-other-3rd-party

Adept, Urban - Sharn - City of Towers

Adept, Urban Religious - Sharn - City of Towers

Augur - Dream Scarred Press
http://dsp-d20-srd.wikidot.com/augur

Cultist - Freeport Fifth Year Annivesary

Gleaner - Giant in the Playground
https://web.archive.org/web/20170815034614/https://www.giantitp.com/articles/gk7uKJeF296jRcx1NJw.html

Magewright, Arcane - Eberron Campaign Setting

Magewright, Psionic - Eberron Campaign Setting

Mlar - Dungeon 100

Talent - Giant in the Playgroud
http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?450825-Psionic-NPC-class

[thorr-kan]

Speaking about the Adept ACF: Grodd Goblins (Into the Dragons' Lair) get different spell list, and racial Shadow Kinship SQ allow their Adepts to rebuke/command Shadows
Poacher. :smallcool:

Adept Alternate Class Featured (I needed a hobby)
Adept Alternate Class Features:

Familiar – Dragon 280, p60 - Alternative starting familiars. (3.0ED)

Familiar – Dragon 323, p98 - Specialist familiars. (3.5ED)

Familiar – Dragon 341, p88 - Specialist familiars. (3.5ED)

Familiar - Dragon 348, p88 - Unfamiliar territory: focus caster; (arcane reabsorbtion isn't valid as it specifically calls out arcane spells). (3.5ED)

Goblin of Grodd - Into the Dragon's Lair, p86 – Shadow Kinship: The goblins of Grodd are not harmed by the touch of the creatures called shadows. Furthermore, an adept of Grodd can rebuke or command shadows as a cleric of the same level. (3.0ED)

Goblin of Grodd - Into the Dragon's Lair, p86 - The Iron One: possibly an aspect of a goblin deity. Internet speculation has it being Maglubiyet, the god of goblins and hobgoblins. Domains are Chaos, Destruction, Evil, Trickery.

Goblin of Grodd - Into the Dragon's Lair, p90-91 – Alternate spell list. (3.0ED)

Kobold - Races of the Dragon, p48 - Alternate spell list: Swap animal trance and daylight with lesser restoration and create food & water, respectively. (3.5ED)

More Spells for Adepts sidebar - Masters of the Wild, p81 - Additional spells from Defenders of the Faith, Masters of the Wild, Tome and Blood. (3.0ED)

Religious Adept – Eberron Campaign Setting, p256 – Add ability to choose a domain from the god worshipped; add domain spells to spell list and gain domain power, treating adept level as cleric level. (3.5ED)

Religious Urban Adept – Sharn: City of Towers, p167 – Alternate spell list, add ability to choose a domain from the god worshipped; add domain spells to spell list and gain domain power, treating adept level as cleric level. (3.5ED)

Urban Adept – Sharn: City of Towers, p167 – Alternate spell list. (3.5ED)

[ShurikVch]

If we using 3rd-party stuff, then there are:
Thug in the Way of the Rogue (Legend of the Five Rings),
Prophet in Ravenloft Dungeon Master's Guide,
and Armiger substitution level for Noble in Knightly Orders Of Ansalon (Dragonlance)

[Palanan]

Originally Posted by ShurikVch
Prophet in Ravenloft Dungeon Master's Guide

I don't ever think I've heard of this one. Can you give me a sense of what it does? I'm guessing a divine caster of some sort.

[ShurikVch]

I don't ever think I've heard of this one. Can you give me a sense of what it does? I'm guessing a divine caster of some sort.
Actually, it's arcane caster - casts like a Sorcerer, with "Spells Known", but Wis-based; spells from 0th and up to 5th level - from their own spell list
Also:
d4, BAB 1/2, good Will, and 4+ skill points
on various levels - Augury, Prediction, Divination, and Scy (all are 1/day Sp)
Mark of Fate - starts with one of disabilities: Blind, Madness, Wandering, Seizures, or Ethereal Sight (always "on")

[thorr-kan]

Actually, it's arcane caster - casts like a Sorcerer, with "Spells Known", but Wis-based; spells from 0th and up to 5th level - from their own spell list
Also:
d4, BAB 1/2, good Will, and 4+ skill points
on various levels - Augury, Prediction, Divination, and Scy (all are 1/day Sp)
Mark of Fate - starts with one of disabilities: Blind, Madness, Wandering, Seizures, or Ethereal Sight (always "on")
That's an interesting read.

The Ravenloft DMG is 3.5, unlike a lot of early RL products, so no need to worry about any conversion wonkiness.

[thorr-kan]

If we using 3rd-party stuff, then there are:
Thug in the Way of the Rogue (Legend of the Five Rings),
Prophet in Ravenloft Dungeon Master's Guide,
and Armiger substitution level for Noble in Knightly Orders Of Ansalon (Dragonlance)
Noble's a PC class from the Dragonlance Campaign setting, right? Iffen I recall correctly, it's an upgraded Aristocrat.

I don't see a Way of the Rogue for d20 Rokugan. Was it in Way of the Thief?

[ShurikVch]

I don't see a Way of the Rogue for d20 Rokugan. Was it in Way of the Thief?
My bad!
No, it was from the FFG Traps and Treachery


Noble's a PC class from the Dragonlance Campaign setting, right? Iffen I recall correctly, it's an upgraded Aristocrat.
Noble - despite being - technically - PC class, was already mentioned earlier - in replies ##10, 13, and 23 - along with Master (and even Mystic! :smallconfused:)

If we look even deeper into 3rd-party, then there...

If we take Noble from Dragonlance, then how about Courtier from Rokugan? Or Noble from the Wheel of Time? (Or Westeros?)

NPC Classes:

Wheel of Time RPG
Commoner
Diplomat
Expert
Warrior

A Game of Thrones d20
Commoner
Godswife of the Great Shepherd
Night's Watch Builder
Maegi

[thorr-kan]

My bad!
No, it was from the FFG Traps and Treachery
No prob. I just wanted to be sure I hadn't missed a Rokugan supplement. (Aside: I've recently become interested in the d20 version of the setting, so I've been borrowing materials from our gaming group's archives.



Noble - despite being - technically - PC class, was already mentioned earlier - in replies ##10, 13, and 23 - along with Master (and even Mystic! :smallconfused:)
Truth.

I misread your comment on Noble as Aristocrat at first, and I was all excited that an NPC class besides Adept had gotten some ACF love.


If we look even deeper into 3rd-party, then there...

If we take Noble from Dragonlance, then how about Courtier from Rokugan? Or Noble from the Wheel of Time? (Or Westeros?)

NPC Classes:

Wheel of Time RPG
Commoner
Diplomat
Expert
Warrior

A Game of Thrones d20
Commoner
Godswife of the Great Shepherd
Night's Watch Builder
Maegi
I thought the Wheel of Time ones are the same as the DMG ones, though 3.0 rather than 3.5. Commoner, Expert, and Warrior are the same, but Diplomat is *not* just a reskinned Aristocrat. It's got poor BAB and a different skill list.

The Games of Thrones classes are good find. I'll have to see if I have access to those.

[Palanan]

Originally Posted by ShurikVch
If we take Noble from Dragonlance, then how about Courtier from Rokugan?

Aha! I’ve been looking and looking for courtier, and I thought it was in Oriental Adventures, so thanks for this.

I haven’t read this one in a while, but it seems to be just slightly better than the noble. It doesn’t seem to have been considered in the last retiering project, probaby because it’s third-party, but I’m guessing it’s pretty squarely Tier 5.

Although the courtier does get free Leadership, not sure if that's enough to bring it up to Tier 4.


Originally Posted by ShurikVch
…and even Mystic!

I have a soft spot for the mystic, and thought I’d mention it to give the OP more options. I was surprised it rated so highly in the updated tier list.

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[Curelomosaurus]

I have a soft spot for the mystic, and thought I’d mention it to give the OP more options. I was surprised it rated so highly in the updated tier list.

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It may be the sucky version of a cleric, but clerics are T1 after all...

Races of Ansalon has a fun Human Noble ACF that trades the Favor ability for free cohort bodyguards. It's pretty OP, since you end up with like 5 cohorts by level 15, but it wouldn't be that problematic on an NPC.

[Jervis]

Two other classes you might consider are from the Dragonlance Campaign Setting, which is generally considered Wizards first-party material.

The first is the mystic, which uses the sorcerer chassis to spontaneously cast cleric spells, keyed to Wisdom. The mystic gains one domain and thus has access to bonus spells.

The second is the noble, which is a slightly touched-up aristocrat, with a couple class features which echo some of the bard’s abilities.

Although these were presented as PC classes, they’re bland enough they could serve as slightly stronger NPCs. In the retiering thread that you provided, the noble is listed as Tier 5 and the mystic as Tier 2. I expect you're aware of these already, just mentioning a couple more options that might find a niche in your setting.

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Mystic is not NPC, it was both widely supported in other DL material and very playable. It's honestly not bad if you want to play a cleric as a spontaneous caster.

[thorr-kan]

Late to the party, PF instead of 3.5, and third-party PF to boot, but included here for completeness:
Courtesan, from 4 Winds Fantasy Gaming:
https://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/3rd-party-npc-classes/4-winds-fantasy-gaming/courtesan/

[thorr-kan]

A Game of Thrones d20
Commoner
Godswife of the Great Shepherd
Night's Watch Builder
Maegi

I've had a chance to peruse the archives. Commoner is commoner; No changes there. Godswife has some potential, but requires a rewrite to be used in a d20-based game. Builder and Maegi are prestige classes; not limited to NPCs. I wouldn't include them as an NPC class.

[ShurikVch]

I've had a chance to peruse the archives. Commoner is commoner; No changes there. Godswife has some potential, but requires a rewrite to be used in a d20-based game. Builder and Maegi are prestige classes; not limited to NPCs. I wouldn't include them as an NPC class.
Which book you're using?
The one I read have them under the "Classes for NPCs" (pg. 314)

[thorr-kan]

Which book you're using?
The one I read have them under the "Classes for NPCs" (pg. 314)
A Game of Thrones, Deluxe Limited Edition, 2005.

"Additionally, the Night Watch's Builder and Maegi are NPC Prestige Classes." Each is listed as a 10-level class.

ETA: Third sentence in the second paragraph of the "Classes for NPCs" section in this version. Or in third paragraph from the bottom of the second column.

[Gnaeus]

If anyone cares I did a pretty thorough review of gleaner//magewright and I did conclude it’s a fairly decent T4.

The main trick is that gleaner gets lesser restoration as a spontaneous caster and magewright is technically a prepared caster with an odd spell book. So magewright//gleaner can learn exalted or vile spells then heal the ability damage after combat. Suddenly magewright can actually memorize spells worth casting at all levels.

[Bohandas]

A link to The Gleaner (https://web.archive.org/web/20170815034614/https://www.giantitp.com/articles/gk7uKJeF296jRcx1NJw.html) was just posted and I like the flavor and build of it - a sort of varient Adept. What Tier would it be placed in? I am guessing Tier 5 or Tier 4.

Are there any other NPC classes out there? I am looking to populate my world and these NPC classes make a lot more sense for the majority of the population than PC classes, and I want more variety than the official NPC classes.

I've got a couple that I've made. I haven't tested any of them tought:

Holder (NPC Class)

Good Saves: Will
Bad Saves: Fort, Ref
BAB: As wizard (1/2 level)

Class Skills: Appraise, Concentration, Craft, Decipher Script, Disable Device, Forgery, Knowledge (Arcana), Knowledge (Architecture and Engineering), Knowledge (History), Knowledge (Nature), Knowledge (Religion), Knowledge (The Planes), Open Lock, Profession, Search, Sleight of Hand, Speak Language (planar languages, Draconic, Elven, Dwarven, or Gnomeish only) Spellcraft, Truespeak, Use Magic Device, Use Rope
Skill Points: 4+int

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Item use: A Holder can activate magic items such as wands, scrolls, staves, etc as a wizard of their Holder level, and as any other spellcasting class one half their Holder level. They also add one quarter of their Holder level as a bonus to Use Magic Device checks.

Skill bonus: Every five (four?) levels a Holder gets a permanent +1 bonus to their choice of either: Spellcraft checks relating to magic items, Appraise checks to appraise the value of magic items, Knowledge checks relating to magic items, Search checks to find magical traps (does not give you the ability to find or disarm them safely), Disable Device checks related to magical traps (does not give you the ability to find or disarm them safely), Diplomacy checks to influence intelligent items, Escape Artist checks to escape from magical restraints, Perform checks to activate magical instruments, or Craft checks to repair magic items. The same option may be chosen more than once and in this case the bonuses stack.

Entertainer

As Bard class but no spells or bardic knowledge and only 4 skill points per level

Hedge Wizard
As the Wizard class, but spells cannot be geld in a prepared state. So all spells must be prepared on the fly, as per the Spell Preparation Time section of the SRD (https://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicOverview/arcaneSpells.htm#spellPreparationTime) and then immediately cast. Effectively increasing their casting time by 15 minutes