kemmotar
2007-10-30, 06:16 PM
I was skimming through the epic level handbook and found a few feats that although listed as [epic] do not require epic levels to acquire. Take for example infinite deflection. The prerequisites are dex 25, deflect arrows, combat reflexes and improved unarmed strike. Now, improved unarmed strike is a prerequisite for deflect arrows so that's kinda a moot point...a second level monk has unarmed strike and deflect arrows(assuming you choose the latter as your bonus feat. Combat reflexes is no challenge either since it can be taken as your first level feat. Now a monk with 18 base dex and +4 or +6 dexterity race can easilly get 25 dex with magic items...and just for argument's sake infinite deflection means you can deflect arrows as many times as you like...as per the name, infinite deflections...not bad actually...
Other feats obtainable at non-epic levels yet listed as epic are(the ones i have found...might've missed some):
-lingering damage
-keen strike
-instant reload(which is mentioned in the non-epic feats list of the handbook as well)
-master staff
-master wand
-legendary wrestler
-mighty rage
-negative energy burst
-overwhelming critical
-multicasting
-multiwaepon rend
-penetrate damage reduction(which does not even have prerequisites)
-perfect health
-perfect multiweapon fighting
-permanent emanation
-planar turning
-perfect two weapon fighting
-polyglot(learn all languages if you know five...don't go wasting your skill points:smallwink: )
-positive energy aura
-ranged inspiration
well anyway...the list is longer than i thought so i won't bother anymore..but you get the point...What's the point of listing a feat as epic if you don't need to be epic...The introduction to the feat section says that a character gains epic feats at the 21st level and every three levels thereafter and according to the class bonus feats...however this is simply explaining when epic characters gain feats and does not pose a prerequisite for the acquisition of said feats. Some feats have skill requirements of 30 ranks making it clearly a must be epic level to attain feat. But many don't...I realise this is a 3rd edition book but can still be used in 3.5 if allowed by the DM...
Ok, i won't bore you anymore with my rantings...what does everybody else think?Right,wrong, worth it, not worth it?
Other feats obtainable at non-epic levels yet listed as epic are(the ones i have found...might've missed some):
-lingering damage
-keen strike
-instant reload(which is mentioned in the non-epic feats list of the handbook as well)
-master staff
-master wand
-legendary wrestler
-mighty rage
-negative energy burst
-overwhelming critical
-multicasting
-multiwaepon rend
-penetrate damage reduction(which does not even have prerequisites)
-perfect health
-perfect multiweapon fighting
-permanent emanation
-planar turning
-perfect two weapon fighting
-polyglot(learn all languages if you know five...don't go wasting your skill points:smallwink: )
-positive energy aura
-ranged inspiration
well anyway...the list is longer than i thought so i won't bother anymore..but you get the point...What's the point of listing a feat as epic if you don't need to be epic...The introduction to the feat section says that a character gains epic feats at the 21st level and every three levels thereafter and according to the class bonus feats...however this is simply explaining when epic characters gain feats and does not pose a prerequisite for the acquisition of said feats. Some feats have skill requirements of 30 ranks making it clearly a must be epic level to attain feat. But many don't...I realise this is a 3rd edition book but can still be used in 3.5 if allowed by the DM...
Ok, i won't bore you anymore with my rantings...what does everybody else think?Right,wrong, worth it, not worth it?