Mr Fruit Pie the Sorceror and surviving the destruction of the world

[Quartz]

Mr Fruit Pie appears in #91 (https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0091.html). Much, much later, Thor tells Durkon about the movie snack world (https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1140.html). So it looks like mortals can survive the destruction of the world.

[hroþila]

I didn't take that as a mortal surviving the destruction of the world, I took that as the gods literally inserting Easter eggs from previous worlds into the new one for their own amusement.

[Quartz]

The Giant has dropped things into early episodes only to bring them back much later before with meaning. Remember the belt of gender changing? Remember the crayon drawings? Remember Hilgya?

Okay, Mr Fruit Pie got killed, but maybe that was a Simulacrum or Eidolon, or he has Contingent Resurrection?

[Jason]

Mr. Fruit Pie isn't necessarily from Sentient Theater Snacks world. Maybe there are more of his kind in Stickworld.

[Tvtyrant]

Mr Fruit Pie appears in #91 (https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0091.html). Much, much later, Thor tells Durkon about the movie snack world (https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1140.html). So it looks like mortals can survive the destruction of the world.

I tend to agree. We know people can planeshift to the outer planes, so almost assuredly some individuals from other worlds survived the various system purges. The question is if the Gods mind wipe them along with the archons, angels and souls of the dead.

[littlebum2002]

Or Maybe Fruit Pie the sorcerer is the character who has appeared in 1 page who will become a powerful ally.

[Cazero]

Of course. Not only is he a dimensional traveler, he's also a time traveler !
Too bad the order didn't stay around to notice his demise. They could have warned him.

[Rogar Demonblud]

Or he could just be Proof That {The Giant} Is A Deeply Disturbed Individual.

[Peelee]

I tend to agree. We know people can planeshift to the outer planes, so almost assuredly some individuals from other worlds survived the various system purges.

I would imagine the gods would just send Inevitables after any such people.

Or Maybe Fruit Pie the sorcerer is the character who has appeared in 1 page who will become a powerful ally.

I choose to believe in this 100%.

[Rogar Demonblud]

I would imagine the gods would just send Inevitables after any such people.

What do you have against our "The Far Realms is made up of the remnants of all the previous worlds" headcanon?

[Peelee]

What do you have against our "The Far Realms is made up of the remnants of all the previous worlds" headcanon?

Presumably, there is a long stretch of time between worlds, and the gods go to extreme lengths to protect the secret, such as by having a complete communications blackout and memory-wiping all planar creatures. So having some dude pop off into the astral plane for a bit seems like such a remarkably obvious tactic that the gods not addressing it would seem downright strange at best, is all.

[RatElemental]

The Far Realms aren't just another plane, it is absolutely the best place I can think of to hide from the gods themselves. It's the place that abberations come from, and where forgotten eldritch beings still slumber. Unfortunately, trying to live there tends to go very poorly for your sanity and "not being a hideous monster"-ness.

Also I think these guys (https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0301.html) are more likely candidates to be from movie snack world. Also Popcorn didn't die on screen, obviously he is the unforeseen ally who has only appeared on one page so far.

[Grey Watcher]

Mr Fruit Pie appears in #91 (https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0091.html). Much, much later, Thor tells Durkon about the movie snack world (https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1140.html). So it looks like mortals can survive the destruction of the world.


I didn't take that as a mortal surviving the destruction of the world, I took that as the gods literally inserting Easter eggs from previous worlds into the new one for their own amusement.

Y'know, either theory works, but I like the Easter egg theory best. Especially since I can imagine the more straight-laced gods (eg Heimdall) hating that world for being too silly and wanting to ignore its former existence even more than the rest of the worlds, so that would be an incentive enough for someone like Loki to specifically include a reminder.

[Emanick]

Presumably, there is a long stretch of time between worlds, and the gods go to extreme lengths to protect the secret, such as by having a complete communications blackout and memory-wiping all planar creatures. So having some dude pop off into the astral plane for a bit seems like such a remarkably obvious tactic that the gods not addressing it would seem downright strange at best, is all.

Seems like it would be simpler to have the memory wipe cover everyone on the Outer Planes, just to be safe - including the several dozen Material Plane residents who happen to be traveling the planes at the moment the world is destroyed. I assume that’s what happens.

[Psyren]

Polymorph gone wrong, based on a record from the old world?

[Dion]

Polymorph gone wrong, based on a record from the old world?

I don’t think we should automatically assume it went wrong. Don’t yuck anyone’s yum, especially anyone as yummy as a Fruit Pie.

[Quizatzhaderac]

In my headcannon, the gods make each material plane in a different location each time. Even if someone in the astral plane looked for the new world, they have infinite space to search.


I didn't take that as a mortal surviving the destruction of the world, I took that as the gods literally inserting Easter eggs from previous worlds into the new one for their own amusement.That's just stupid.

If anything they'd be literal vernal equinox eggs: Eggs the size of a horse hidden across the world. Each spring one hatches a full grown aberration from a previous world.

[Rogar Demonblud]

Have you been sneaking looks at my DM notes for the Girl Genius campaign?

[Wizard_Lizard]

What do you have against our "The Far Realms is made up of the remnants of all the previous worlds" headcanon?

I actually like that a lot. We need some Eastern Pantheon Cthulhu shenanigans going on.

[skim172]

Mr Fruit Pie appears in #91 (https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0091.html). Much, much later, Thor tells Durkon about the movie snack world (https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1140.html). So it looks like mortals can survive the destruction of the world.

No, I think it points to something much darker. Because if Fruit Pie the Sorcerer was indeed born in the Movie Snack Universe ... who in their right mind would choose to categorize a fruit pie as a movie snack? Clearly, Fruit Pie the Sorcerer is the product of a deeply disturbed and deviant god.

This is further borne out by the fact that snack fruit pies are disgusting. They never look as good in person as they do on the box; the pastry is soggy and disintegrating or stale and stiff; the filling is lumpy and mushy and syrupy and cloyingly overstuffed with sugar and it's never really the right color or the right flavor, and it leaves an odious aftertaste that's never quite the same each time - bitter some times, sour and acidic others, some times it leaves the flavor of actual cardboard. You think to stick in a microwave perhaps, but that never works - it becomes this hideous lump of mixed food-like components that's either still frozen cold or lava hot, never in-between. Snack fruit pies are a mockery of real pies, and real fruit, and wears their names like a serial killer wearing the faces of their victims.

I contend that Fruit Pie the Sorcerer is not a single entity. Rather, it is a creation of the Snarl itself, that is recreated anew in every universe, to act as the Snarl's agent to destabilize the fabric of reality. It steadily saps at the health and strength of the mortal residents with artificial preservatives and trans fats, weakening the mortals until they can no longer fight against the Snarl. And by distorting the very definitions of "snack", and of "fruit" and of "pies" - the three pillars of unalloyed pure goodness - it also disturbs the very concept of truth.

No matter how this all plays out, the true hero of this story is that lone goblin who slew Fruit Pie the Sorcerer. If this universe survives, that unnamed, unknown goblin will be the one who actually saved us all.

The hero we needed.

[Quartz]

That is sick, evil, and twisted. I like it!

[Wizard_Lizard]

No, I think it points to something much darker. Because if Fruit Pie the Sorcerer was indeed born in the Movie Snack Universe ... who in their right mind would choose to categorize a fruit pie as a movie snack? Clearly, Fruit Pie the Sorcerer is the product of a deeply disturbed and deviant god.

This is further borne out by the fact that snack fruit pies are disgusting. They never look as good in person as they do on the box; the pastry is soggy and disintegrating or stale and stiff; the filling is lumpy and mushy and syrupy and cloyingly overstuffed with sugar and it's never really the right color or the right flavor, and it leaves an odious aftertaste that's never quite the same each time - bitter some times, sour and acidic others, some times it leaves the flavor of actual cardboard. You think to stick in a microwave perhaps, but that never works - it becomes this hideous lump of mixed food-like components that's either still frozen cold or lava hot, never in-between. Snack fruit pies are a mockery of real pies, and real fruit, and wears their names like a serial killer wearing the faces of their victims.

I contend that Fruit Pie the Sorcerer is not a single entity. Rather, it is a creation of the Snarl itself, that is recreated anew in every universe, to act as the Snarl's agent to destabilize the fabric of reality. It steadily saps at the health and strength of the mortal residents with artificial preservatives and trans fats, weakening the mortals until they can no longer fight against the Snarl. And by distorting the very definitions of "snack", and of "fruit" and of "pies" - the three pillars of unalloyed pure goodness - it also disturbs the very concept of truth.

No matter how this all plays out, the true hero of this story is that lone goblin who slew Fruit Pie the Sorcerer. If this universe survives, that unnamed, unknown goblin will be the one who actually saved us all.

The hero we needed.

Truly, unnamed goblin saved us all...

[Emanick]

No, I think it points to something much darker. Because if Fruit Pie the Sorcerer was indeed born in the Movie Snack Universe ... who in their right mind would choose to categorize a fruit pie as a movie snack? Clearly, Fruit Pie the Sorcerer is the product of a deeply disturbed and deviant god.

This is further borne out by the fact that snack fruit pies are disgusting. They never look as good in person as they do on the box; the pastry is soggy and disintegrating or stale and stiff; the filling is lumpy and mushy and syrupy and cloyingly overstuffed with sugar and it's never really the right color or the right flavor, and it leaves an odious aftertaste that's never quite the same each time - bitter some times, sour and acidic others, some times it leaves the flavor of actual cardboard. You think to stick in a microwave perhaps, but that never works - it becomes this hideous lump of mixed food-like components that's either still frozen cold or lava hot, never in-between. Snack fruit pies are a mockery of real pies, and real fruit, and wears their names like a serial killer wearing the faces of their victims.

I contend that Fruit Pie the Sorcerer is not a single entity. Rather, it is a creation of the Snarl itself, that is recreated anew in every universe, to act as the Snarl's agent to destabilize the fabric of reality. It steadily saps at the health and strength of the mortal residents with artificial preservatives and trans fats, weakening the mortals until they can no longer fight against the Snarl. And by distorting the very definitions of "snack", and of "fruit" and of "pies" - the three pillars of unalloyed pure goodness - it also disturbs the very concept of truth.

No matter how this all plays out, the true hero of this story is that lone goblin who slew Fruit Pie the Sorcerer. If this universe survives, that unnamed, unknown goblin will be the one who actually saved us all.

The hero we needed.

Is it too late to guess that that goblin will become the "major ally who has only appeared on a single page so far"? :smalltongue:

[RatElemental]

Is it too late to guess that that goblin will become the "major ally who has only appeared on a single page so far"? :smalltongue:

My quatloos are on the woman from the tavern of infinite one night stands.

[Ron Miel]

He's a pastry golem.

[knag]

He's a pastry golem.

With class levels in Sorcerer? Fruit Pie is clearly a warforged.

[KorvinStarmast]

Or he could just be Proof That {The Giant} Is A Deeply Disturbed Individual. That's an easy five centavo bet. *clinks down coins*

I like the Easter egg theory best. Me too, especially Loki messing with Heimdal.

I actually like that a lot. We need some Eastern Pantheon Cthulhu shenanigans going on. Heck yeah.

My quatloos are on the woman from the tavern of infinite one night stands. She already got all of my money; there was something in my drink - where's my watch? :smalleek:

He's a pastry golem. Oh, man, I am so gonna use that in our campaign ...
With class levels in Sorcerer? Fruit Pie is clearly a warforged. +1 for putting this into game terms. Well played! :smallcool:

[Quartz]

With class levels in Sorcerer? Fruit Pie is clearly a warforged.


ITYM kitchen-forged. :)

[knag]

ITYM kitchen-forged. :)

Built as mindless confections to fight in the Last Great British Bake Off, the kitchenforged developed sentience as a side effect of the arcane experiments that sought to make them the ultimate vehicles of tastiness...

[Metastachydium]

Truly, unnamed goblin saved us all...

Not quite. Elan knew what Fruit Pie is, and they were apparently on friendly terms. It is immediately evident that they have been working together all along. Elan is an agent of the Snarl. That is why he destroyed Dorukan's Gate. Also, Tarquin was partly right: Elan is the real leader. He subtly manipulates the others from behind his faked stupidity, and it's working. The Order managed to (directly or indirectly) destroy three Gates thus far.
All in all, I think we've found our final boss. The moment Elan gets close enough to the final Gate… Messy things are waiting ahead.

[skim172]

Not quite. Elan knew what Fruit Pie is, and they were apparently on friendly terms. It is immediately evident that they have been working together all along. Elan is an agent of the Snarl. That is why he destroyed Dorukan's Gate. Also, Tarquin was partly right: Elan is the real leader. He subtly manipulates the others from behind his faked stupidity, and it's working. The Order managed to (directly or indirectly) destroy three Gates thus far.
All in all, I think we've found our final boss. The moment Elan gets close enough to the final Gate… Messy things are waiting ahead.

...

"Will this story have a happy ending?"

"Yes ... for you, at least..."

...


:elan: (https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0331.html)

[Diceomancer]

You're on the right track, but I don't think the Fruit Pie the Sorcerer survived the destruction of the world. I think the world within the world is the snack world. Somehow the popcorn and soda demigods figured out a way to keep the snarl from completely consuming their world, so it remains trapped within. The inhabitants noticed the breach that the gate was sealing, and the Fruit Pie the Sorcerer was investigating and somehow ended up crossing between worlds.

This can resolve the Belkar prophesy as well. The OOTS will cross over into the snack world, and Belkar will become a very important person in this new world due to his chef skills (not sure exactly how). He will die in some heroic act, likely completing his alignment transition. He will then be revered through Snackworld and ascend to godhood, therefore not needing to breath anymore (especially since followers expectation shape their deities and snacks probably don't breath), with a purple quiddity. Belkar will then be able to help seal the rifts.

This part is a bit of a reach, but he might also sponsor Banjo into the purple pantheon.

[Omomuro]

Is it too late to guess that that goblin will become the "major ally who has only appeared on a single page so far"? :smalltongue:

Between him and the goblin that started the Hydra steak shack, I'm going for the latter.

[keybounce]

Elan is an agent of the Snarl. That is why he destroyed Dorukan's Gate. Also, Tarquin was partly right: Elan is the real leader. He subtly manipulates the others from behind his faked stupidity, and it's working. The Order managed to (directly or indirectly) destroy three Gates thus far.
All in all, I think we've found our final boss. The moment Elan gets close enough to the final Gate… Messy things are waiting ahead.

... This has to be my next writing prompt submission. Heck, this would make a wonderful AU story launch point.

I mean, when have we ever seen any evidence in this story that someone can use faked stupidity in order to lead, or manipulate others into massive destruction in order to accomplish a personal goal that doesn't match that of those that they are leading? :-)

(We had a non-paladin leading a bunch of paladins. He didn't hold their beliefs, etc.)

[Metastachydium]

... This has to be my next writing prompt submission. Heck, this would make a wonderful AU story launch point.

I mean, when have we ever seen any evidence in this story that someone can use faked stupidity in order to lead, or manipulate others into massive destruction in order to accomplish a personal goal that doesn't match that of those that they are leading? :-)

(We had a non-paladin leading a bunch of paladins. He didn't hold their beliefs, etc.)

I mean, right? Just make sure you also take into account such equisite pieces of evidence as this:

...

"Will this story have a happy ending?"

"Yes ... for you, at least..."

...


:elan: (https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0331.html)

[Jaxzan Proditor]

...

"Will this story have a happy ending?"

"Yes ... for you, at least..."

...


:elan: (https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0331.html)

This really seals the deal for me; it's just too perfect to ignore now. :smallbiggrin:

[KorvinStarmast]

Clearly, Fruit Pie the Sorcerer is the product of a deeply disturbed and deviant god. {snip great post} My previously intended post is rendered irrelevant by your insightful analysis. Thanks for saving me the effort. :smallsmile:

[Particle_Man]

Maybe Fruit Pie is one of the two disembodied voices that kidnapped the two paladins?

[Precure]

I always wondered of what was the point of introducing such a good-willed character, only to have him killed in a such a brutal and stupid fashion. Maybe I'm just too averse to dark comedy. Or maybe...


Or he could just be Proof That {The Giant} Is A Deeply Disturbed Individual.

I'll go with this. :smallamused:

[Dr.Zero]

I remember such a discussion happened immediately after Thor explained the existence of the movie snack world.
One theory, back there, was that not only some creatures managed to survive by sheer luck or thanks some sort of prophecy or any other accidental cause being on another plane at the time of their world destruction, but that they procreated and fruit pie (as soda, pizza, cappuccino) is one member of their progeny.

Which explains how a member of that world managed to live long enough to appear in this other world (they didn't, they were far descendant); and, requiring more than one survivor (and even more than a single couple, if we don't want to enter in unfortunate implications territory) to have descendants lasting such a long time, it is an event rare enough that it happened only once. Explaining why there are some snack movie world creatures, but not the laser punk talking animals.

[Particle_Man]

I suppose another explanation is that dead worlds leave psychic echoes behind, and sometimes characters in this world get access to those psychic echoes but usually pass them off as hallucinations or dreams.

Or if they treat them as real they are treated themselves as usually nonsensical like Elan is by Roy. Or ignored afterwards - maybe Elan can temporarily warp reality? Could Elan be a dual-classed Bard/Binder of these vestiges from previous worlds?

[RatElemental]

It's also possible FPtS is just from the semi-elemental (https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0802.html) plane of fruit filling, possibly spawned in a planar event when it bumped into the semi-elemental plane of pie crust.

[Grey Watcher]

I remember such a discussion happened immediately after Thor explained the existence of the movie snack world.
One theory, back there, was that not only some creatures managed to survive by sheer luck or thanks some sort of prophecy or any other accidental cause being on another plane at the time of their world destruction, but that they procreated and fruit pie (as soda, pizza, cappuccino) is one member of their progeny.

Which explains how a member of that world managed to live long enough to appear in this other world (they didn't, they were far descendant); and, requiring more than one survivor (and even more than a single couple, if we don't want to enter in unfortunate implications territory) to have descendants lasting such a long time, it is an event rare enough that it happened only once. Explaining why there are some snack movie world creatures, but not the laser punk talking animals.

But we don't know that the sentient movie snacks reproduce that way. Maybe you literally bake your children into existence?

[Particle_Man]

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