Zhorn
2020-08-25, 09:53 AM
Specifically this is about the bodies of creature who are alive BUT the soul is currently not inhabiting the body.
Does the inert body classify as a creature, an object, or both?
Looking for the more RAW-like answer possible.
A body that has died classes as an object by implication of the rules for improvised weapons.
"An Improvised Weapon includes any object you can wield in one or two hands, such as broken glass, a table leg, a frying pan, a wagon wheel, or a dead Goblin."
and confirmed to be treated as such by the devs for the purposes of rule interactions
https://twitter.com/JeremyECrawford/status/752915549294891008
"A corpse is an object. An unconscious creature is a creature."
https://twitter.com/JeremyECrawford/status/597077875049635840
"A non-undead corpse isn't considered a creature. It's effectively an object."
Now Raise Dead, Revivify, Resurrection, and True Resurrection do potential make a case for dead creatures to still classify as creatures...
"You return a dead creature to..."
"You touch a creature that has died within the last..."
"You touch a dead creature that has been dead for no more than..."
"You touch a creature that has been dead for no longer than..."
... though that could just be common English usage of the word and not meant as technical language. Not the subject of the question, just included for background context.
back to the question
Say for example a creature casts Magic Jar and their soul leaves their body. The body is not dead by this function, just in a catatonic state, and the caster can return to their "living body" and function as a living creature without needing to be revived so long as they are within range.
While the caster's soul is in the vessel used for the spell, or another creatures body, does their original body still classify as a creature? has it instead been reclassified as an object? or is it now functionally both for the purposes of rules interactions?
If another caster were to attempt to Magic Jar themselves into the body, or a Ghost were to attempt to use Possession on it, would that be possible? Strict ruling would imply 'yes' as they just need the target to be humanoid, and not under the Protection From Evil And Good spell, with the effect ending if the host body dies ('creature' is implied, but not strictly required by strict RAW, but for the follow up we'll assume 'creature' is needed).
So (yes this was just about establishing a precedence) now we get onto Clone.
"This spell grows an inert duplicate of a living creature..."
This is the prime target of this question. Is this inert duplicate a creature or an object?
Specifically in regards to being a viable candidate for body snatching.
If it is a creature, one should be able to Magic Jar their way in.
If it is an object (a second caster would need to assist) but it should be viable to Animate Object to set it up as a creature to in turn Magic Jar posses it.
And finally for bonus points: an inert living body without a soul, or an animated object body under control commanded to allow it, should those condition allow a bypass of the saving throw to possess?
Does the inert body classify as a creature, an object, or both?
Looking for the more RAW-like answer possible.
A body that has died classes as an object by implication of the rules for improvised weapons.
"An Improvised Weapon includes any object you can wield in one or two hands, such as broken glass, a table leg, a frying pan, a wagon wheel, or a dead Goblin."
and confirmed to be treated as such by the devs for the purposes of rule interactions
https://twitter.com/JeremyECrawford/status/752915549294891008
"A corpse is an object. An unconscious creature is a creature."
https://twitter.com/JeremyECrawford/status/597077875049635840
"A non-undead corpse isn't considered a creature. It's effectively an object."
Now Raise Dead, Revivify, Resurrection, and True Resurrection do potential make a case for dead creatures to still classify as creatures...
"You return a dead creature to..."
"You touch a creature that has died within the last..."
"You touch a dead creature that has been dead for no more than..."
"You touch a creature that has been dead for no longer than..."
... though that could just be common English usage of the word and not meant as technical language. Not the subject of the question, just included for background context.
back to the question
Say for example a creature casts Magic Jar and their soul leaves their body. The body is not dead by this function, just in a catatonic state, and the caster can return to their "living body" and function as a living creature without needing to be revived so long as they are within range.
While the caster's soul is in the vessel used for the spell, or another creatures body, does their original body still classify as a creature? has it instead been reclassified as an object? or is it now functionally both for the purposes of rules interactions?
If another caster were to attempt to Magic Jar themselves into the body, or a Ghost were to attempt to use Possession on it, would that be possible? Strict ruling would imply 'yes' as they just need the target to be humanoid, and not under the Protection From Evil And Good spell, with the effect ending if the host body dies ('creature' is implied, but not strictly required by strict RAW, but for the follow up we'll assume 'creature' is needed).
So (yes this was just about establishing a precedence) now we get onto Clone.
"This spell grows an inert duplicate of a living creature..."
This is the prime target of this question. Is this inert duplicate a creature or an object?
Specifically in regards to being a viable candidate for body snatching.
If it is a creature, one should be able to Magic Jar their way in.
If it is an object (a second caster would need to assist) but it should be viable to Animate Object to set it up as a creature to in turn Magic Jar posses it.
And finally for bonus points: an inert living body without a soul, or an animated object body under control commanded to allow it, should those condition allow a bypass of the saving throw to possess?