tuesdayscoming
2020-09-07, 03:53 PM
Hey, Playground!
I've dreamed up a technique for creating spell-trigger items (wands/staffs/scepters) with metamagic WITHOUT increasing the crafting cost of the item. I'd love to get some feedback on 1) whether the technique works as I envision it, 2) how to improve the trick.
Essential Ingredients: Residual Magic (feat, CM 46), Echoing Spell (feat, SoX 134), appropriate item creation feat (using wands in description below), a method of applying MM that explicitly DOESN'T affect spell level (I'll use Naenhoon Illumian in step 6 of the example below)
The Method:
1. Choose the spell that we want to make into a wand
2. Prepare one unmodified version of the spell (Spell Level X) and one Echoing Spell version (Spell Level X+3)
3. Cast the Echoing Version of the spell
4. On the next round, cast the unmodified version of the spell, using Residual Magic's "Lingering Metamagic" effect to apply Echoing Spell (explicitly WITHOUT affecting the spell level)
5. Wait an hour, until Echoing Spell returns both of the spells we've just cast; by my reading, the Residual Magic'd spell will now be an Echoing version of the spell, but will STILL BE IN SPELL LEVEL X, but at a CL four lower than the initial casting
6. Now cast the Spell Level X Echoing Spell, using Naenhoon Illumian's free metamagic effect to apply a MM of your choice (let's say Extend)
7. Wait another hour, and you should get an Echoing, Extended version of the spell back, STILL IN SPELL LEVEL X, but with a CL 8 lower than in the original casting
8. Begin crafting the wand of this modified spell, which expends the slot in question
9. Repeat process for each day of the crafting process
The Result:
If I'm correct, I believe this should allow you to craft, say, a wand of Extended Echoing Mage Armor, for which the spell would STILL COUNT AS A LEVEL ONE SPELL (thus reducing the crafting cost/time and allowing MM'ed options that normally wouldn't fit in a wand).
Further Optimization:
If this works, I think that an optimized version could incorporate Void Disciple level 4 and the Wu Jen spell "Body Outside Body". Using these, we create temporary copies of ourselves who then give us temporary feats (such as the metamagic we want to apply during Step 6); even though we'll lose the temporary feat in a couple of rounds, we'll get back the MM'ed slot in an hour, which we should still be able to use for crafting!
Sorry for the long post! If this is a known exploit, I apologize (but know that I did search around for it before coming here).
Thanks for any and all feedback, Playground!
I've dreamed up a technique for creating spell-trigger items (wands/staffs/scepters) with metamagic WITHOUT increasing the crafting cost of the item. I'd love to get some feedback on 1) whether the technique works as I envision it, 2) how to improve the trick.
Essential Ingredients: Residual Magic (feat, CM 46), Echoing Spell (feat, SoX 134), appropriate item creation feat (using wands in description below), a method of applying MM that explicitly DOESN'T affect spell level (I'll use Naenhoon Illumian in step 6 of the example below)
The Method:
1. Choose the spell that we want to make into a wand
2. Prepare one unmodified version of the spell (Spell Level X) and one Echoing Spell version (Spell Level X+3)
3. Cast the Echoing Version of the spell
4. On the next round, cast the unmodified version of the spell, using Residual Magic's "Lingering Metamagic" effect to apply Echoing Spell (explicitly WITHOUT affecting the spell level)
5. Wait an hour, until Echoing Spell returns both of the spells we've just cast; by my reading, the Residual Magic'd spell will now be an Echoing version of the spell, but will STILL BE IN SPELL LEVEL X, but at a CL four lower than the initial casting
6. Now cast the Spell Level X Echoing Spell, using Naenhoon Illumian's free metamagic effect to apply a MM of your choice (let's say Extend)
7. Wait another hour, and you should get an Echoing, Extended version of the spell back, STILL IN SPELL LEVEL X, but with a CL 8 lower than in the original casting
8. Begin crafting the wand of this modified spell, which expends the slot in question
9. Repeat process for each day of the crafting process
The Result:
If I'm correct, I believe this should allow you to craft, say, a wand of Extended Echoing Mage Armor, for which the spell would STILL COUNT AS A LEVEL ONE SPELL (thus reducing the crafting cost/time and allowing MM'ed options that normally wouldn't fit in a wand).
Further Optimization:
If this works, I think that an optimized version could incorporate Void Disciple level 4 and the Wu Jen spell "Body Outside Body". Using these, we create temporary copies of ourselves who then give us temporary feats (such as the metamagic we want to apply during Step 6); even though we'll lose the temporary feat in a couple of rounds, we'll get back the MM'ed slot in an hour, which we should still be able to use for crafting!
Sorry for the long post! If this is a known exploit, I apologize (but know that I did search around for it before coming here).
Thanks for any and all feedback, Playground!