Doctor Despair
2020-09-23, 05:22 AM
My Understanding
It has recently been suggested to me in the Simple RAW Thread (and in some follow-up PMs I made to clarify exactly what the person was saying without debating in-thread) that I have a gross misunderstanding of how spellslots and Heighten Spell work.
Say I had the spell "scrying" as a spell known, a level 3 spell. The rules state that I am allowed to prepare it using a level 4 spellslot:
A spellcaster always has the option to fill a higher-level spell slot with a lower-level spell. A spellcaster who lacks a high enough ability score to cast spells that would otherwise be his or her due still gets the slots but must fill them with spells of lower level.
To my reading, nothing there suggests that this level 3 spell would now count as a level 4 spell despite being prepared using a level 4 spellslot. Additionally, Heighten Spell seems to be then be required to have a lower-level spell count as, effectively, a higher-level spell:
A heightened spell has a higher spell level than normal (up to a maximum of 9th level). Unlike other metamagic feats, Heighten Spell actually increases the effective level of the spell that it modifies. All effects dependent on spell level (such as saving throw DCs and ability to penetrate a lesser globe of invulnerability) are calculated according to the heightened level. The heightened spell is as difficult to prepare and cast as a spell of its effective level. For example, a cleric could prepare hold person as a 4th-level spell (instead of a 2nd-level spell), and it would in all ways be treated as a 4th-level spell.
Therefore, a Scrying cast using a level 4 spellslot would count as a level 3 spell, but a Scrying heightened to a level 4 spellslot would arguably count as a level 4 spell.
The Dispute
It has been claimed to me in no uncertain terms that casting a level 3 spell using a level 4 spellslot makes the level 3 spell count as a level 4 spell. Aftert asking for clarification, it was then claimed that this does, indeed, make the feat completely worthless if it isn't being used for sanctum earth spell early entry shenanigans or gnowhere gnome.
According to this person, if one were to use +1 metamagic to have the spell consume a level 4 spellslot, it would still count as a level 3 spell, but using Heighten Spell or just casting it out of the level 4 spellslot unheightened would both carry the benefits of using Heighten Spell.
I wanted to seek some clarification on this, as I am having a hard time reconciling this view with my understanding of RAW, and I cannot seem to find many sources discussing this (and no sources verifying it): am I just completely misled in my understanding of RAW? Does just casting a level 3 spell without Heighten Spell out of a level 4 slot make it count as a level 4 spell for all intents and purposes?
It has recently been suggested to me in the Simple RAW Thread (and in some follow-up PMs I made to clarify exactly what the person was saying without debating in-thread) that I have a gross misunderstanding of how spellslots and Heighten Spell work.
Say I had the spell "scrying" as a spell known, a level 3 spell. The rules state that I am allowed to prepare it using a level 4 spellslot:
A spellcaster always has the option to fill a higher-level spell slot with a lower-level spell. A spellcaster who lacks a high enough ability score to cast spells that would otherwise be his or her due still gets the slots but must fill them with spells of lower level.
To my reading, nothing there suggests that this level 3 spell would now count as a level 4 spell despite being prepared using a level 4 spellslot. Additionally, Heighten Spell seems to be then be required to have a lower-level spell count as, effectively, a higher-level spell:
A heightened spell has a higher spell level than normal (up to a maximum of 9th level). Unlike other metamagic feats, Heighten Spell actually increases the effective level of the spell that it modifies. All effects dependent on spell level (such as saving throw DCs and ability to penetrate a lesser globe of invulnerability) are calculated according to the heightened level. The heightened spell is as difficult to prepare and cast as a spell of its effective level. For example, a cleric could prepare hold person as a 4th-level spell (instead of a 2nd-level spell), and it would in all ways be treated as a 4th-level spell.
Therefore, a Scrying cast using a level 4 spellslot would count as a level 3 spell, but a Scrying heightened to a level 4 spellslot would arguably count as a level 4 spell.
The Dispute
It has been claimed to me in no uncertain terms that casting a level 3 spell using a level 4 spellslot makes the level 3 spell count as a level 4 spell. Aftert asking for clarification, it was then claimed that this does, indeed, make the feat completely worthless if it isn't being used for sanctum earth spell early entry shenanigans or gnowhere gnome.
According to this person, if one were to use +1 metamagic to have the spell consume a level 4 spellslot, it would still count as a level 3 spell, but using Heighten Spell or just casting it out of the level 4 spellslot unheightened would both carry the benefits of using Heighten Spell.
I wanted to seek some clarification on this, as I am having a hard time reconciling this view with my understanding of RAW, and I cannot seem to find many sources discussing this (and no sources verifying it): am I just completely misled in my understanding of RAW? Does just casting a level 3 spell without Heighten Spell out of a level 4 slot make it count as a level 4 spell for all intents and purposes?