Civ6itp 4

[Illven]

So I was thinking of starting a gatheringstorm mutliplayer game. Anyone interested?

[Lentrax]

You know I am.

[RayGallade]

I could be persuaded into joining

[Eurus]

I wanna make sure that anyone who's not in the other game has a chance to join this one, but if you have room after that, I'm available.

[Maryring]

Would it be online or PBEM? Because email gaming is unfortunately much too slow for my tastes.

[Eurus]

Would it be online or PBEM? Because email gaming is unfortunately much too slow for my tastes.

Cloud play is the successor to PBEM, it's basically... that, without the actual email. More convenient, but still the same speed.

For what it's worth, I'd potentially be down for a live game if anyone wants to schedule one, but it seems like these thread games are all cloud games.

[Maryring]

Ah. A shame. Then I'm unfortunately not interested.

[Illven]

So it's been a week. We good with 4 humans, 4 ai's?

[Eurus]

If that's what we've got, sure.

[Lentrax]

Yeah. If what we have is what we have, then that's fine.

[RayGallade]

I'm still in on this

[Illven]

So what civ's does everyone want to play as?

[RayGallade]

I'll take Sweden this round

[Lentrax]

Eleanor France, I think.

[Eurus]

I might do Peter this time.

[Illven]

What map settings do we want?

[Lentrax]

The settings I don’t think matter so much. At least not to me. Though I would again wish to avoid the barren tundra if we can.

[Eurus]

I'm fine with normal continents or shuffle.

[Illven]

So we good for the same starting rules as 3. If any start is abyssmal, player can request a restart?

[Illven]

Join code is mmDXM

[Eurus]

Sorry, finally joined. Went with Mansa Musa instead, he's a weird fun guy.

[Illven]

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1654468892415112694/EC47D70205F4C5EB0058B6C5835B0FAA265AC39F/

"Here at the edge of the twin deserts did our people find a blessing.
"A large black, sand-weathered pillar. When Lady Nicole stood in front of the pillar it shone with light that rivaled the sun."

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1654468892415113109/B01BDC02851DE8C4114D9D545E99C097DDBAC047/

"This..... Polish beacon, has been allegedly developed by an advanced civilization, and sent to all worlds suitable for human life. It tells the tales of their world, of glory and peace, and hope.

"It tries to give advancements for any primitive humans, but....this beacon is strange and wrong. It tries to suggest that the science of building mud based containers to hold grain, domestication of the savage animals, the harvesting of mineral wealth, and the building of a sort of..... string based projectile that launches pointed sticks for combat. And yet.... I can envision the first three, even if I do not know how to build them yet. But cannot even imagine how the last would work.

"Furthermore the beacon suggests that we would have no way to build things that could go across the water.... But why not? Wood obviously floats, perhaps enough wood would allow a person to cross the large lake of our capital. And that we have no way of studying the stars, but why couldn't we. We can see them at night, shining bright. This beacon may be strange and wrong, but it's build is far more advanced then any that we could ever dream of..... We have called our new home, Alexandria, after the so called Polish capital.



Traded gold for furs with canada turn 86

Traded dyes for salt with Sweden turn 101

[Eurus]

...Dang, I forgot to screenshot.

Thank you for shopping with YesterdayCorp! Your type-3 franchise startup kit has been delivered to the coordinates you specified1 and is ready to operate! Just follow the instructions and in no time at all2 you'll be turning a profit! Priority number one should be finding a suitable location to base your first habitation! Pay attention to fresh water supply and easily exploitable local resources3. Remember, what takes thousands of years to grow can be chopped down and repurposed in hours!

-A brighter future, Yesterday!


1: Actual delivery may vary from projections. YesterdayCorp takes no responsibility for unplanned water landings, excessive ice, or active volcanoes near delivery site.

2: Plus or minus 4,000 years.

3: Excessive harvesting of local resources may cause long-term environmental effects. YesterdayCorp takes no responsibility for rising sea levels, increased storms, or the earth withering beneath you into dust and ash.

We started in what would normally be a pretty decent spot... except that we're Mali, so we'd really prefer desert! There's a big one west of me that's really tempting, so I'm going to spend two or three turns trying to position myself somewhere on the edge of the desert so that I have a few good tiles to work but also get that sweet free faith and food.

[Lentrax]

On behalf of my mistress, Her Royal Highness, the mage Selyena, we greet you. We hope to spend many years in pleasant conversation over a glass of wine.

[Illven]

"Greetings, Lady Selyena, we are the Koreans. We have seen your lands, and you are quite close to ours, We believe 9 hexes to your north north east.

~Nicole



OOC note. So we may have an issue, with cultural victories possibly being bugged.

https://www.reddit.com/r/civ/comments/9bvj0j/civ6_cannot_finish_the_game_with_cultural_win/
https://www.reddit.com/r/CivVI/comments/dg00yl/unable_to_obtain_culture_victory_on_play_by_cloud/

It may not be a constant thing, but it seems to happen fairly frequently?

[Eurus]

How odd. I guess if someone gets the required number of tourists for a win we'll have to just call it manually.

[Illven]

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1683743254294142889/ECBAFABC45E2D7787C04413DFE380B02C335187F/

"We construct the Seowon, with tools to help us study the Polish beacon."

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1683743254294143025/7DDD47F7B48DE9C10FBE98D3440B249E3EF117B3/

"Our people grow restless. They desire to settle the wider world. Having talked land with the French, we head towards the east.

[Lentrax]

I am currently without internet, and doing everything on mobile rn. It’s entirely possible that it will not be restored until Thursday. Sorry for the delay.

[Lentrax]

My problems are not resolved. My only internet access is now via mobile. You’re going to have to kick me from the game so you all can move forward.

[Eurus]

Oof, that really sucks. I'm sorry to hear it and I hope you get things resolved.

[Illven]

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1682618382407324061/B057B3195DF7EC1EF990078B556295ABEB57304D/

"The Polish beacon tells us that the world is in something called the classical age. Where large empires struggle and fight for dominance.

"But again, this beacon is wrong. We have plans to turn the harsh unending desert into fertile lands. And this beacon tells us that the researching of a coin standard should be enough to put our plan into action. But while we need said coin standard. It isn't enough!

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1682618382407324224/A6C4059FACAEDDDDB7AB776C562EC70D9D187E3B/

But we will still mine the beacon for any info we can glean from it.

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1682618382407324357/075CCDFAF097859C203F6DA669BC367E2476C540/

"We start putting in an organized system to categorize the info from the beacon."

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1682618382407324492/03A8044DF08244F5FC80B15FA379100DBD6A8566/

"You can see French cities on the river. Eleanor had promised to leave the river to us, but then regened. The beacon tells us of a sword of justice that burns those who betray. We must become said sword to incinerate our enemies.

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1682618382407324628/612EBFAA30662A9B44DAE3AC5BD57264B2312E9F/

"The beacon tells tales of their world. About an aggressive desert faring nation called the Venicians. We name our desert settlement after them.

[RayGallade]

Hello stranger, I am Minerva the Wise, guardian of the Swedes. I hope that my men find you in a charitable mood. My people come from the Peninsula of Desolation to greet you this day.

From time immemorial, the Swedish people have inhabited this, um, "beautiful" peninsula.

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1690499922137985198/0EC6ABC93AA33229D55D3AA15F90C6EA7C23859B/

The early years were tough. Our people were beset by a horde of tundra barbarians. Our only neighbor for years, the independent state of Vilnius. In time, the suffering of our people ended and we were able to discover the means of production. Perhaps one day this will be a productive land.

We then turned our eyes westward, for there must be something beyond the mountain range.

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1690499922137985357/CF5DCEBE3B38973DA1D2AEC9B4A31A32466D96B7/

Though harsh, this tundra promises salt deposits. We shall season our meats yet!

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1690499922137985480/E6CBC4B19D468AFB28FC08076755572F4E2C788B/

Here we see the edge of our peninsula, the Torne River. We shall establish this as our westmost boundary upon further negotiations with the strangers to the south.

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1690499922137985702/D30AA25F62CB6CC4BEDAD583A2B1B3FC1439759C/

Thanks to some friendly peoples, we discovered an island to our east. We shall settle it and seek further lands eastward!

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At first, I pegged this as a garbage start. Only one hill anywhere near my start location, a coastal capital (I'd rather city 3 be coastal), and lots of floodplains. But it is somewhat turning around. I may be able to salvage the start and set up something somewhat functional. I can fit 3-4 more cities on the peninsula and then I need to find somewhere else to settle. Hopefully Eurus is a better neighbor than I was in 3.

[Eurus]

A clay tablet inscribed with writing is delivered in response by a confused looking warrior.

Greetings from your friends at YesterdayCorp! You have encountered a type-3 BootstrapsTM settlement operated by manager M.M. and operating since 4000 BC! Our corporate philosophy emphasizes good relationships with neighbors, so please, have no concerns about untoward or aggressive actions! That being said, violation of the Terms of Service will result in armed response. For a full, 300 page explanation of these terms and the specific conditions which may result in warlike conditions, click here: [404 NOT FOUND].

Your privacy is important to us. YesterdayCorp will not share your mailing address, physical coordinates, or genetic sequence without your permission. Accepting this message constitutes permission. Any war crimes committed by the franchisee are the sole responsibility of said party and do not represent the policies of YesterdayCorp as a whole. This is an automated message, please do not reply.

For anyone not familiar with Civ 6's religion mechanics, there's a religious belief called Work Ethic. It used to be weak, but it got buffed to make your religion's holy sites generate production equal to their total adjacency bonus. Combined with a pantheon that gives you better adjacency bonuses and a policy card that doubles them...

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/723702935250272318/774378090319183973/holysite.png

Yeah, that's pretty good for a classical era district. Hopefully I can leverage that to spam settlers as soon as I finish my Ancestral Hall, especially if I pull Monumentality.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/723702935250272318/774378114582315048/mali.png

The empire as it stands. Not many cities, but they're coming along. My map revealed is very small so far, though, because I had two barbarian camps to fend off early.

[Illven]

Hey I just voted in the WC, but wasn't able to take my turn? :smallconfused:

[RayGallade]

It's going to do this every WC round. We all have to vote before the next turn can go

[Illven]

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1671360685773779720/169BDB699D37EDC1DC7A4EEBA0156F110A1D6C22/

The sands have been fertilized, we used the info from the beacon to ensure that the desert settlement is productive and prosperous.

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1671360685773780244/0818AA020A038CCF6C4F36AF1EBFA04BB46B5F2B/

The glory of war has blossomed into a golden age for our peoples. Soon, all of Eleanor the Betrayer's citizens will be under our rule. A Korean Empire across the continent.

It's been a few turns since I took these pictures. And the northern city of France has fallen.

[RayGallade]

YesterdayCorp, you have encroached on our ancestral sacred lands by crossing the Torne River and trespassing onto the Peninsula of Desolation. Withdraw your Crabby archers from our side of the river before any more die by our hands.

So about Eurus being a better neighbor than me in 3? Yeah, no, I'm probably doomed. I've seen three archers surround my city and am vastly outnumbered so far. But, I've got walls around the city, an extra two archers inbound, and three horsemen coming to the rescue. May Victor be promoted soon so I can better defend my turf.

[Eurus]

Drat. Trading with Sweden was, for now, more profitable than fighting them. I'd like to finish the Mercenaries civic for cheap upgrades before I actually start fighting in earnest, but I'll see if I can poke at his walls a bit.

[Illven]

"Greetings. I am Nicole of the Korean republic. We had no earthly idea that other civilizations existed from outside our continent. Tell me, what drove you to explore the seas?"

Head of Republic Nicole~



That's a strange continents that let you explore the world without ocean crossing. :smallconfused:

[RayGallade]

"Peace, Desolation, and Sound be with you, Nicole. We are fleeing the destruction of our homeland, the Peninsula of Desolation, by the cruel and barbarian hordes from the western desert. They call themselves YesterdayCorp and have besieged my people's humble holdings without just cause. For now, my people can hold the line on our side of the Torne River, but I am afraid that there is little I can do to save my people in a protracted fight.

[Eurus]

Well, dang. I completely forgot that cavalry ignore engagement/zone of control.

[RayGallade]

Playing as Scythia in 2 taught me a lot about cavalry and ZoC.

[Illven]

"If you believe you are holding the line, what weapons are your forces and yesterday corps forces using?"

~Nicole

[RayGallade]

Thus far, we have held thanks to horsemen, simple stone walls, and crossbows. Meanwhile, we face crossbows of their own, iron swords, catapults, mercenaries known as Nihang, even strange armored horsemen who guard their merchants. It is rumored that they are on the verge of discovering powerful siege guns to tear down our walls. We are roughly even for now, but they will soon overpower my meager cities. By my count, they have ten well founded cities to my struggling six. Not only do they have more production capability than us, they have better lands too. The harsh tundra and snow of the Peninsula of Desolation is near worthless compared to the lush floodplains and hills of their side of the Torne River.

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1661228426235706938/0FDFFCF3E5BA5E0701B33F4E385836B248B4146D/

Even in war, we are beset by vile barbarians. Curse these heathens for delaying our reinforcements.

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1661228426235707075/F3C88B6AF4342361F67BC1D5B5039DF667046832/

Here's the warfront. Our forces have captured another forward settling crew. Perhaps we shall settle into the snow, if only to spite our tormentors. Note the southern horsemen, they are blocking an encampment from being constructed on our doorstep.

On a side note, we had hoped to hire Vilnius's troops to supplement our own. Unfortunately, they are incredibly expensive and no longer factor into our plan.

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1661228426235707162/191EAE34E1778B3FEC56791166080B66D6B8CD11/
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1661228426235707246/3DE6C1BC1B091752AC24D53EB188BEA70DB38611/

(Why Eurus has decided that he needs my lands for any reason other than revenge for 3 is confusing to me. Still, if I can somehow survive long enough to start pushing back, I'm gunning for the entire continent.)

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1661228426235707323/9573C8C7E0B261746F9B56D246BEEC954008A44D/

The last hope of the Swedes. If we can sail across the ocean perhaps we will find our way out of here.

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I'm in a very bad spot. I have no good options for where to settle on my side of the river and flat out don't have the production capability to fight back for long. If my city falls, I won't be able to fight back.

[Illven]

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1655599116025478883/EF369657551ECCAAEEB12419148514282C1016B8/

"Our Empire is content once more!"

[RayGallade]

"YesterdayCorp, your automated message claims that you desire peace. However, your wanton invasion of the Peninsula of Desolation must be answered for. Surrender all of your holdings along and east of the Nigerian River and we shall have peace. Defy us, and you shall discover the sounds of Swedish wrath."

I have managed to stablize my borders for now, thanks largely to making favorable crossbow trades. My forces outmuscle him 4:1 now and I'm four turns out from Metal Casting and bringing a trio of bombards against him, so if he refuses my peace offer I will march against his lands.

[RayGallade]

You don't have to tell me, but how did you get that Encampment up in only one turn? Or were you building it there all along and I just never saw it?

[Illven]

As discussed elsewhere. We have agreed to loan you 300 gold, and to a mutual trade of dyes for silver

~Nicole of Tech advancement company



https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1655599718154375681/4758132B21D2C4912BBAB8A392767AA47827F656/

This beacon has propelled our scientific advancement. But.... The polish played lipservice into protecting the environment. However we see it, and we know. We can use coal to take our production to new heights. But unlike the Polish world, ours will be poisoned and blackened for us to do so.

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1655599718154348586/614ED1B6550554E643F88D288BE8C60C53BFF06D/

We will fund the Swedish defensive efforts against the unknown enemy that lurks beyond our borders, in the endless fog.

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1655599718154348714/AD9A2D14542ACAEA7942DBD07B4FDE9203BDD69D/

To see the trade lanes of our empire!

[RayGallade]

And as agreed, we shall supply you with niter so that you might build up your navy.

[Eurus]

You don't have to tell me, but how did you get that Encampment up in only one turn? Or were you building it there all along and I just never saw it?

Reyna! Finally got her that promotion.

[Illven]

Greetings from across the seas. I am the leader of Korea, Nicole. We are the major power on our continent, it is a pleasure to meet you.

~Nicole

[Illven]

In the year 1460 AD, did the Korean navy start to see a significant build up.

https://i.imgur.com/HIZyUeQ.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/mAFKjGt.jpg

The Swedish confederation is near the brink, however we shall come to their defense. We shall mine the beacon for ideas about supreme ships. Their maps show that the enemy in the fog is mainly a costal empire.

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1655599785037907609/26DCF42FEB4FBE1E64A558E12F0283BF1A54C18A/

Operation Thanix may be the most vital thing our nation ever does. We start by sending trading caravans to the Swords of Venice forcing it to grow.
[Once I can place down a harbor, The Swords of Venice can start to build ships.]

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1655599785037907609/26DCF42FEB4FBE1E64A558E12F0283BF1A54C18A/

[I really need to take care of these barbarians. Then I can decommision the crossbows for more gold]

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1655599785037908297/48EB8CA9CC06B7CA29CA07A836560E1FC955EDBA/

Victor. You have one job. Head to the Tower of the Archmagi, find the fittest men and women and press them into service for our navy.

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1655599785037908631/C7ADC689DCDA0D2CEF4FD24469BEC13173ABF150/

"We estimate that we can complete a harbor in 6-7 data cycles."

[RayGallade]

Just a heads up that I will not be able to take a turn until Monday

[Illven]

Someone gang stabbed Victor! The Swords of venice's ships won't be promoted. :smallfrown:

[thatSeniorGuy]

You know, I don't play a lot but I don't tend to use Victor much apart from as a loyalty stick. Am I alone in that?

[Illven]

Well you see, the reason I use Victor is that he gives a free promotion to any unit built in the city. For instance if I still had him, the swords of Venice would be +7 combat strength higher against cities.

In addition, he can give spies a promotion.

[RayGallade]

Without knowing what prompted the question, I can tell you a promoted Victor is great if you are getting invaded. More city strength, immunity to sieges, and double city strikes are nothing to sneeze at.

[thatSeniorGuy]

I didn't know he gave spies a promotion! That certainly bumps him up!


And good point on the defensive promotions too!

[Illven]

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1655600828600138922/1F6E8A7CAB64A71D55E21B17DEF2013D94497D61/

Operation Thanix, has inspired one truth of our people. "We are each a nation" From us the mighty Koreans, to the backwards nations of other lands.

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1655600828600139047/9BAE4AA55DF950C522B74977A4DA3156CE3176A8/

Victor has survived his first brush with an assassin. Hopefully that shall be the only one.

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1655600828600139693/37CE327512CF7091F1561D87BB35D4031874ED20/

Yi as given us a gift. The world's first Ironclad! We have used similar technologies to fortify our cities.

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1655600828600139969/7944F83E7B05BAB8D1AD3657FE15339AF783A082/

We have discarded natural philosophy. Those scholars will join our army has tacticians and aides!

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1655600828600140386/AE4923EAB669B8EB43C7D2898C61BEF6217C1BE2/

And let's let our fleets be formed!

[RayGallade]

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1661230328134718334/FFF373F2D94574F39F89E5314176C29C508E4474/

The Peninsula of Desolation continues to be consumed by war. Fortunately, our forces have managed to secure a foothold on our border. Our Carolean initiative has produced results, their strength has allowed us to force the enemy back.

However, we recently attempted to push toward Kangaba, Our troops were swiftly rebuffed and sent packing. This war is nothing but a stalemate.

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1661230328134718491/62D968328A5854137DAEFDB3E8E8B3F8A6739583/

Goteborg remains strong. The walls took some scratch damage, but we have repaired them. The campus district remains ruined from the initial assault, but otherwise we continue to hold the line.

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1661230328134718631/C15DFD3DEC4B5EF47762BBD76792BD0943E4B8E6/

Snow Way Out stands as an insult to Mali. We had captured one of their settlers, so we chose to plant a city on the ice. There's nothing of note here other than securing the northern border. Perhaps it will help our open air museums once we discover them.

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This war is nothing but a stalemate. I can't push out, but I can keep Eurus off my border. At this point, I'm probably relegated to playing kingmaker with Illven.

[Illven]

Malians. You make no attempts at communication, no attempts at formal diplomacy, the only words we have heard from your people are the words of war from Swedish refugees.

And you have the audacity to demand friendship of us.

I'll give you my answer at Cannon speed. Alliance ships move in! Save the Destiny Ascension.


https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1655600953061922317/FB17179D7488169580B4FA46C9D36A04B631C990/

"We hear tales of a glorious university, that is supposed to slingshot us into what the Polish called the Modern era. And yet, we have attained said era without it.

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1655600953061922441/9CC737C8F8AA7967972B65DEE2D3AABE488A17AD/

Although our formal country formed frigates are no longer an option. Should we wish to not pollute the world, we have the option of hiring private ships from our citizens to put into our fleets.

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1655600953061922629/5BF39C945A6349276AA7B414F937EA011E476749/
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1655600953061922767/1B6123CCCB1AEEDDA10ADD7EAC157DACE2C42A3F/

However, Reyna has recommended that we focus on our economy to produce more of our battle class ships. We have named the first two, Warsaw, and Seoul.

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1655600953061922883/717D8776479D9DAB55C393851336DAA4C4FD4D6F/

"Alliance First, Second, and Third fleets. This is Admiral Sherman, your first order will be to bring down the walls of Walaka!"

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1655600953061923988/

[We took out about a quarter of the walls, with just this small fleet.]

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1655600953061924680/DA8A3B3D17B8F75A456360A07EA9F7EF76447F77/
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1655600953061924239/BCF8A6D5CC1BA847176611746FAD9EAD11E834E6/

Admiral Sherman, fleets four through eight will be able to assist in five cycles.

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1655600953061924381/8F4C71EA8CBB4EB931C99AF74B4767440DDD2870/

And even as we speak our cities are producing even more Battle class Ships. Operation Thanix will be successful.

[RayGallade]

The people of the Peninsula of Desolation thank Korea for their timely aid! May we continue to survive against the onslaught.

My government offers a formal military alliance between our two nations. May our knowledge of warfare prove useful to you.

[Eurus]

Oof. Korea was beating everyone pretty handily in the tech race already (because, I mean, it's Korea; that's what they do), and Sweden has apparently decided to back them. I don't think Korea even needs to do much at this point. Mali and Sweden are stuck in the thunderdome of this continent and stalemated, if Korea can just wreck stuff up for a while I'll fall even more behind and if they take some cities their lead will get even bigger.

Sadly, I'm just really bad at war. After the way the last game went I was pretty sure that trying to peacefully expand wouldn't be enough, and I believe I was right -- I've never been able to catch up with Korea's science this game, even with as many cities as I could settle. But the war also went poorly and just kinda fizzled out, partly due to the geography and partly because I'm not very good at it.

I didn't actually declare the war, and I offered peace a while back, but I can't really blame Sweden for rejecting it; like I said, neither one of us could win this game with the land we have.

Sorry for the lack of RP stuff, I just couldn't really keep the motivation for it, heh.

[RayGallade]

Yeah, by the looks of it we both got dealt a bad hand. To be honest, all I wanted originally was to get to the Torne and set that as my border. But once you put Gao and Kangaba there, I felt I had to protect my remaining land/make up for lost time.

We both pretty much took each other out of the running with our war.

[Eurus]

Yeah, by the looks of it we both got dealt a bad hand. To be honest, all I wanted originally was to get to the Torne and set that as my border. But once you put Gao and Kangaba there, I felt I had to protect my remaining land/make up for lost time.

We both pretty much took each other out of the running with our war.

Yeah, I should have focused more on trying to find other landmasses to settle. Getting all the AIs to war me was interesting, I usually can't seem to make them like me enough to joint war. They didn't really send many troops, but it hurt my trade a lot. And as Mali, of course, with that 30% production penalty, not having good trade routes means you're pretty bad off.

[RayGallade]

I thought for sure you were going to completely overwhelm me with purchased units, which is why I started bribing them. Turned out that all the AI were more than happy to war against you. The most I ever had to pay any of them was 1 gold.

Unfortunately, I had to completely abandon my early game plan just to keep producing enough units to keep you out of my lands. A Sweden with only 10 tourism per turn and two city states at the end of the Renaissance Era is not going to do well at all.

[Illven]

[OOC, I'm almost certain to take cities. While you might be able to fight off my frigate fleets and may even have frigates and the ability to form fleets of you own, a look at your tech ladder tells me that you are..... at least a dozen turns from battleships. As an absolute minimum.

My battleship fleets are 5 turns away.]

[Eurus]

[OOC, I'm almost certain to take cities. While you might be able to fight off my frigate fleets and may even have frigates and the ability to form fleets of you own, a look at your tech ladder tells me that you are..... at least a dozen turns from battleships. As an absolute minimum.

My battleship fleets are 5 turns away.]

Yeah, I only just finished field cannons. Looking at the science spread, you seem to be like 5+ techs ahead of me (and the victory screen says I'm second place in science, although I'm not certain if that's true).

Keeping up with Korea in tech without an absolutely massive city advantage is almost impossible, in my experience. You either beat them up early, or they get half an era ahead of you.

[Illven]

[OOC Do you wish to concede? The only thing that might help your position is peacing out Sweden, and they can't even dow me for like a dozen turns

[Illven]

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1655601092780756062/1E06738A97866AC8A881322CADB1BDFEA218276C/

"Madam Nicole! Our spies report a massive influx of wealth as our saboteurs assault the Malian empire."

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1655601092780756220/6A377202D7BFAF8B9505542DDD233EBE702D5235/
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1655601092780756675/B56E920AADF9D116421F935D0DBF00FDB5AA1FB6/

Admiral Sherman, have your caravels blockade the Malian theocracy.

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1655601092780756916/AFF665F28C75F30B5CA4542D55C7012121ECD8C2/

Continue the attack, if the city fails to defend itself, perhaps we can take them out before Warsaw and Seoul join in.

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1655601092780757323/7B95057D95938DD62CD21737E6282151A3718F36/

[I mean if they'll pay me 23 GPT for some coal who am I to say no.]

[RayGallade]

As Eurus has conceded, so shall I. Well played. This game didn't go as well as I had hoped, but it was a good learning experience for me.

[Illven]

I shall make a final spectator post this weekend.

[Illven]

A question for Eurus since I'm curious, what level of ships did you have access to?

[Eurus]

A question for Eurus since I'm curious, what level of ships did you have access to?

Privateers, iirc. I don't remember if I had frigates or not.

[Illven]

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1655601151332302803/CC5FBF8C8C9DB47740B1A260D60ECF1F114B7A15/

[We develop Steel almost immediately, at this point our cities are practically unconquerable to any other player. They have defenses in the 60's+, 80 strength when shooting, and a total of 600 hp]

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1655601151332302969/E94AD7B48439453D9F7148313048E9FFB4FE8F3E/

[So it's turn 119 when we pick up in our now single player game.]

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1655601151332303210/D02749B3948F04EB90E3C7F8A138E7FE81DDF94A/

It is a pleasure to meet the last great leader of the world.
[I didn't realize the dutch were to the south of Thunderdrome continent.]

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1655601151332303556/A88DBD90AE38DFBABF48A73F20819F5458B13C91/

[It took 3, 4 turns total to take the first city.]

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1655601151332303556/A88DBD90AE38DFBABF48A73F20819F5458B13C91/

[The AI actually can take back their cities, but not like this. Even a human massed attack would probably struggle. My ships can support, and bombards aren't going to do much to urban defenses.]

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1655601151332303931/02FF2677071D7C317B6051D2F212C2181A720A1E/

[6 battleship fleets I promised, 6 battleship fleets I shall have.]

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1655601151332304216/3D26B1048DC8817887DB05973DE816EA2FF0D39D/

[Let's let the real ships have fun!]

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1655601151332304723/FA2CF2BE5B94635D8DB973ACD06097EA2A07642E/

[You know, based on what I know now, I kinda wish I was the one in the golden age.

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1655601151332304997/68CBDECD2076CDACC51F65E0A1676A8DE9E9FB4B/

[That's a 200 hp wall, and my battleships are taking out about a quarter per shot.

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1655601151332306322/8CB020E6A664417D443FE9CD12DDBE451D35340B/

[This pretty much stabilizes my gold.]

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1655601151332306985/6E374404F3CB61F39D4040FA28174039FF11E31B/

[Two turns later, another city down.

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1655601151332307569/605EA0962DCCD8CA4900D92D1DE385075400DAF7/

[They banned my lux.]

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1655601151332307878/4ABFF60F4F8C61F6D1A25D464A6629BA54B4A1B3/

[One turn later, another city.]

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1655601151332309412/D4645A5F9F635A5A4C86FA60080E6D8CBB7D60E6/

[But. What actually slows my conquest is this. Mali's got enough pressure to keep flipping most of the cities back to him.

On the other hand, that's several turns they aren't contributing to his empire. And it only last until I lose my patience and just start razing everything in sight.]


So I could show you more, but I think this is enough. Even though my war with AI France felt like it took forever, I completed my war, allowing my science to go up to about double my nearest competitor. In addition, unlike other games where I had a tech lead and lost, my empire had no glaring weaknesses (Except for gold for a handful of turns) I didn't make as much as Mali but I made enough gold. I never felt a hammer crunch. I was leader in player on culture, and even Alexander only had like 20% more culture.

I think the only possible thing that could have lost me the game, would have been when Sweden and I met. Sweden immediately offering a white peace to Eurus, and them tag teaming me in some way. However, Sweden was disencouraged from perusing such an action due to being such a far behind third place. Tag teaming me, would probably just end up with Mali eventually winning. (Or me winning still)


Any questions?