Renegade Paladin
2020-10-02, 05:57 PM
Hey, all. Another board I post on is gearing up for a big sci-fi play by post (signups are still open, by the by; see my thread in Recruitment (https://forums.giantitp.com/showthread.php?619823-STGOD-Semi-Freeform-Sci-Fi-Nation-Building-Play-by-Post) if you're interested) and we're hammering out the rules we want to use. The games are mostly freeform, but we try to have a simple points-based rules system as a backstop in case of player disagreement.
I'm trying to work up several options for the players to vote on in about a week. We've done enough of these that I see no reason to reinvent the wheel, so I'm drawing on what came before. Right now there are two major competing alternatives.
This (http://www.stardestroyer.net/wiki/index.php?title=Unofficial_TGOD_Handbook) is the ruleset we used about twelve years ago (yes, we've been doing this awhile). It's the most rules-heavy one to date, and while I like it, several of the players have deemed it too complicated, mostly because it actually has unit stats. (Unfortunately that's the part I like, because it allows things like an objective determination of whether your uber-sensors are actually good enough to pierce my stealth systems, etc.)
Meanwhile, the other major alternative that's been proposed is this (https://worldsofsdn.fandom.com/wiki/Ruleset), in use 2010-11. As you may notice, it's very long on nation building for the start, but the combat rules insomuch as they exist are essentially higher points total wins, which means there's no rules-based counterplay. If freeform etiquette holds, that's not an issue, but if it holds we don't need the rules in the first place.
Right now I'm thinking of presenting both of those for the poll (I believe I'm presently the only one seriously working on rules) as well as a hybridized system with bare bones combat rules (fleets do 20% of their points weight in damage per turn, and the rules for retreating in the first link, to prevent someone who just has N+1 points over you from just rolling over you because greater points total) bolted onto the second present option, and also a compromise where only the specializations that affect roleplay (stealth, sensors, speed, jamming) are in play. I'd also like to clean up the first option a little, since I had at least one player loudly complain that 6k words was too much to bother with learning the game (when I know for a fact we're going to all write more than that, sometimes per post, when we get this thing going :smalltongue:).
If anyone has any thoughts, I'd appreciate it. I'll update this post as I revise things.
Update #1: Planetary assault rules. The 2008 ruleset, despite being rules-heavy, had no rules for taking territory because there was massive disagreement among the team that developed the rules. I've taken a stab at it in a way that makes taking a planet take time, but not an insurmountable amount, as well as resources.
===Laying a Siege===
Tempting as it might be to simply shell planets into submission, Earth-like worlds are rare, and glassing them will seriously impact the interstellar economy and food supply, as well as deny you the industrial benefit of possessing the planet, and could invite moderator action. Warships may selectively bombard a planet (points in '''Bombardment''' are especially handy for this) to reduce its planetary defenses, but doing this while leaving infrastructure intact is a painstaking process. Every full production turn spent bombarding a planet lowers its garrison strength by the base attack value of the bombarding fleet (so a fleet with a total 100 base weight will reduce the planetary defenses by 20 points), but also lowers its category (and thus industrial output) by 1. A planet reduced to a category of 0 is effectively useless.
===Taking Territory===
A planet is assumed to have garrison forces, be they reservist formations or militia, equal in power to ten times the planet's value - a class 1 colony has a garrison equal to 10 points, and a class 10 world has a garrison equal to 100 points. This may be enhanced by troops purchased with industrial points. In order to successfully take a planet without leaving pockets of resistance, troops equal to three times the power of the garrison must be landed. Given that, fully securing a planet takes a number of production turns equal to half its category rounded up.
===Population Assimilation===
This is a matter for roleplay. Assimilation is an extremely subjective thing that does not lend itself to hard rules; an oppressed population might greet invaders as liberators or one that was well treated before and treated badly by the invaders might resent occupation for years. This will mostly be a moderator call. Until the population is ruled assimilated, the conqueror must continue to garrison the planet with regular troops, does not gain the use of free planetary militia, and the original owning power does not need to undergo an assimilation period if they take back the planet.
I'm trying to work up several options for the players to vote on in about a week. We've done enough of these that I see no reason to reinvent the wheel, so I'm drawing on what came before. Right now there are two major competing alternatives.
This (http://www.stardestroyer.net/wiki/index.php?title=Unofficial_TGOD_Handbook) is the ruleset we used about twelve years ago (yes, we've been doing this awhile). It's the most rules-heavy one to date, and while I like it, several of the players have deemed it too complicated, mostly because it actually has unit stats. (Unfortunately that's the part I like, because it allows things like an objective determination of whether your uber-sensors are actually good enough to pierce my stealth systems, etc.)
Meanwhile, the other major alternative that's been proposed is this (https://worldsofsdn.fandom.com/wiki/Ruleset), in use 2010-11. As you may notice, it's very long on nation building for the start, but the combat rules insomuch as they exist are essentially higher points total wins, which means there's no rules-based counterplay. If freeform etiquette holds, that's not an issue, but if it holds we don't need the rules in the first place.
Right now I'm thinking of presenting both of those for the poll (I believe I'm presently the only one seriously working on rules) as well as a hybridized system with bare bones combat rules (fleets do 20% of their points weight in damage per turn, and the rules for retreating in the first link, to prevent someone who just has N+1 points over you from just rolling over you because greater points total) bolted onto the second present option, and also a compromise where only the specializations that affect roleplay (stealth, sensors, speed, jamming) are in play. I'd also like to clean up the first option a little, since I had at least one player loudly complain that 6k words was too much to bother with learning the game (when I know for a fact we're going to all write more than that, sometimes per post, when we get this thing going :smalltongue:).
If anyone has any thoughts, I'd appreciate it. I'll update this post as I revise things.
Update #1: Planetary assault rules. The 2008 ruleset, despite being rules-heavy, had no rules for taking territory because there was massive disagreement among the team that developed the rules. I've taken a stab at it in a way that makes taking a planet take time, but not an insurmountable amount, as well as resources.
===Laying a Siege===
Tempting as it might be to simply shell planets into submission, Earth-like worlds are rare, and glassing them will seriously impact the interstellar economy and food supply, as well as deny you the industrial benefit of possessing the planet, and could invite moderator action. Warships may selectively bombard a planet (points in '''Bombardment''' are especially handy for this) to reduce its planetary defenses, but doing this while leaving infrastructure intact is a painstaking process. Every full production turn spent bombarding a planet lowers its garrison strength by the base attack value of the bombarding fleet (so a fleet with a total 100 base weight will reduce the planetary defenses by 20 points), but also lowers its category (and thus industrial output) by 1. A planet reduced to a category of 0 is effectively useless.
===Taking Territory===
A planet is assumed to have garrison forces, be they reservist formations or militia, equal in power to ten times the planet's value - a class 1 colony has a garrison equal to 10 points, and a class 10 world has a garrison equal to 100 points. This may be enhanced by troops purchased with industrial points. In order to successfully take a planet without leaving pockets of resistance, troops equal to three times the power of the garrison must be landed. Given that, fully securing a planet takes a number of production turns equal to half its category rounded up.
===Population Assimilation===
This is a matter for roleplay. Assimilation is an extremely subjective thing that does not lend itself to hard rules; an oppressed population might greet invaders as liberators or one that was well treated before and treated badly by the invaders might resent occupation for years. This will mostly be a moderator call. Until the population is ruled assimilated, the conqueror must continue to garrison the planet with regular troops, does not gain the use of free planetary militia, and the original owning power does not need to undergo an assimilation period if they take back the planet.