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Nosta
2020-11-28, 02:21 PM
The DM is giving us us A extra feat as a boon starting at first level. I'm going inquisitive Rogue and I took the observant feat.

I know I get +5 on my passive insight & perception I have 19 in wisdom At level 5

Taking expertise in those two skills

So what I can tell my passive skills are 10 + Ability mod (4). + X2 prof bonus ,(6) + obersvant +5 = 25 right ?

What would be non-passive insight or perception ?

OldTrees1
2020-11-28, 02:28 PM
Observant is +5 to your passive Wisdom (Perception) and Intelligence (Investigation) scores. Not Insight.

Do you have Expertise in both Perception and Insight? Or just in Perception?

Passive Wisdom (Perception) = 10 + 5 (Observant) + 4 (Wisdom) + 6 (2x Proficiency due to Expertise)
= 25
Exactly as you had calculated.

Passive Wisdom (Insight) = 10 + 4 (Wisdom) + 6 (2x Proficiency due to Expertise)
= 20
No +5 from Observant since Observant affects Wisdom (Perception) and Intelligence (Investigation)

Active Wisdom (Perception) = 1d20 + 4 (Wisdom) + 6 (2x Proficiency due to Expertise)
= 1d20+10
No +5 from Observant since Observant only affects Passive.

Active Wisdom (Insight) = 1d20 + 4 (Wisdom) + 6 (2x Proficiency due to Expertise)
= 1d20+10
No +5 from Observant since Observant only affects Passive.

Nosta
2020-11-28, 02:43 PM
Observant is +5 to your passive Wisdom (Perception) and Intelligence (Investigation) scores. Not Insight.

Do you have Expertise in both Perception and Insight? Or just in Perception?

Passive Wisdom (Perception) = 10 + 5 (Observant) + 4 (Wisdom) + 6 (2x Proficiency due to Expertise)
= 25
Exactly as you had calculated.

Passive Wisdom (Insight) = 10 + 4 (Wisdom) + 6 (2x Proficiency due to Expertise)
= 20
No +5 from Observant since Observant affects Wisdom (Perception) and Intelligence (Investigation)

Active Wisdom (Perception) = 1d20 + 4 (Wisdom) + 6 (2x Proficiency due to Expertise)
= 1d20+10
No +5 from Observant since Observant only affects Passive.

Active Wisdom (Insight) = 1d20 + 4 (Wisdom) + 6 (2x Proficiency due to Expertise)
= 1d20+10
No +5 from Observant since Observant only affects Passive.

Thanks

What do you think would be a good caster Dip for this build starting at level 4 or 5

RogueJK
2020-11-28, 02:59 PM
What do you think would be a good caster Dip for this build starting at level 4 or 5

With a 19 WIS, either 1 level of Peace Cleric, or 5 levels of Gloomstalker or Swarmkeeper Ranger.

Naanomi
2020-11-28, 03:59 PM
Note that if you pick up advantage, that is another +5 Passive as well

lall
2020-11-28, 06:40 PM
And per Jeremy Crawford, your active Perception can never be lower than your passive, though your DM may disagree.

OldTrees1
2020-11-28, 09:07 PM
Thanks

What do you think would be a good caster Dip for this build starting at level 4 or 5

I did Knowledge Cleric 1 on an Arcane Trickster. I got +2 Expertise (Religion and Arcana), at-will(Guidance, Detect Magic, Identify), and 2 Healing Words per day. It should be similarly useful on an Inquisitor Rogue since we are both skill monkeys.