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Citadel97501
2020-12-10, 06:37 AM
Hello all, I was wondering if anyone else noticed that a half-orc with a pike seems to be extremely deadly, and compare favorably vs the Elven Accuracy builds? With only 4 levels into Champion, or 4 in Hexblade you can very reliably do a massive amount of damage. I will compare it to in comparison to Elven Accuracy. I am just using those basic crit fishing concepts, without including Smites of any type.

Half Orc with Pike:
-Feat: Piercer (also a 1/2 fear...)
-Damage: 1d10 +4 or 4d10+4, can reroll damage once per turn.
-Average: 5.95 or 9.975 with advantage. (The reroll bumps the damage a bit but i didn't want to do that math.)
-Crit Odds: 10%, 19% chance with Advantage.

Half Elven hexblade with Pact of the Blade for a Pike (a Rapier would be more common, but the damage would also be lower which would mess with the test):
-Feat: Elven Accuracy
-Damage: 1d10+4 or 2d10+4, 9.5 = 4.825 or 10.7with advantage.
-Crit Odds: 10%, 27% with Advantage

I am using the assumption that they need to roll a 12 to hit, which seems relatively close to most encounters.

JackPhoenix
2020-12-10, 10:14 AM
I'll assume your math is correct, though the DPR for the hexblade should be higher, as you account for Hexblade's Curse's improved crit, but not the damage bump.

Hexblade who didn't bother with pike, but took a glaive or a halberd, and took PAM instead of EA:

1d10+3 and 1d4+3 for 8.5 + 5.5 = 14. Now, without the stat bump, you'd need 13 instead of 12 to hit, but that's still 5.6 DPR without advantage and 8.96 with advantage. And because you seem to include Hexblade's Curse (as you have 10% crit rate), that means both rolls get +2 to damage, for 7.2 DPR without advantage and 11.52 with it. (+ 0.8 DPR for crits without advantage and 1.52 DPR with it, for the total of 8 or 13.04 DPR).

If the half-orc took PAM instead of Piercer and also picked better weapon, the damage would be:

1d10+3 and 1d4+3, for the same total of 14. It's the same 5.6 without advantage and 8.96 with advantage, crits add 2d10 and 2d4 (16)* either 0.1 or 0.19, 1.6 or 3.4, for total of 7.2 DPR without advantage and 12.36 DPR with advantage.

Now, the hexblade loses some (3.25 or 5.275) of that DPR in the first round of combat, because he needs his BA to curse the target, and may have other uses for his BA, the fighter, less so.