Rafaelfras
2020-12-11, 08:26 PM
Hello dear forumites. As a very long time lurker here in these forums, using it as a reliable source of info on D&D in general 5th ed in specific for the first time a question arose in my table, whose the answer I did not posses nor could I find, here or elsewhere.
One of my players is a Warlock 12 and now dipped his 1st level as a divine soul sorcerer, and took holy weapon as one of his spells know
The rules for multiclass state :
"You determine what spells you know and can prepare for each class individually, as if you were a single-classed member of that class. If you are a ranger 4/wizard 3, for example, you know three 1st-level ranger spells based on your levels in the ranger class. As 3rd-level wizard, you know three wizard cantrips, and your spellbook contains ten wizard spells, two of which (the two you gained when
you reached 3rd level as a wizard) can be 2nd-level spells. If your Intelligence is 16, you can prepare six wizard spells from your spellbook. Each spell you know and prepare is associated with one o f your classes, and you use the spellcasting ability o f that class when you cast the spell. Similarly, a spellcasting focus, such as a holy symbol, can be used only for the spells from the class associated with that focus."
So I argued he couldn't do that, since holy weapon is a 4th level spell and as a level 1 sorcerer he could just take 1st level spells from the sorcerer or cleric spell list. BUT there is this section on pact magic :
"If you have both the Spellcasting class feature and the Pact Magic class feature from the warlock class, you can use the spell slots you gain from the Pact Magic feature to cast spells you know or have prepared from classes with the Spellcasting class feature, and you can use the spell slots you gain from the Spellcasting class feature to cast warlock spells you know."
And
"Once you have the Spellcasting feature from more than one class, use the rules below. If you multiclass but have the Spellcasting feature from only one class, you follow the rules as described in that class."
Warlocks dont have the spellcasting feature, only pact magic
Finlay the sorcerer spells know say:
"The Spells Known column of the Sorcerer table shows when you learn more sorcerer spells of your choice. Each of these spells must be of a level for which you have spell slots. For instance, when you reach 3rd level in this class, you can learn one new spell of 1st or 2nd level"
So he argues that since he has 5 th level slots, and only one class with spellcasting he can pick holy weapon since he has spell slots for it.
So thats it. I am very torn on this issue, leaning more on the side that he couldn't do it but since I dint found any definitive answer I allowed him to take it ( I am a permissive DM ><) but the question remains.
As I already let said player take the spell i will not take it back, but i really want to know how the rules handle this, even if its just to avoid problems in the future.
TL:DR Can Warlock12/DS Sorcerer1 can take holy weapon as a spell know ?
Please Playground, Help me
Sorry for the wall of text
One of my players is a Warlock 12 and now dipped his 1st level as a divine soul sorcerer, and took holy weapon as one of his spells know
The rules for multiclass state :
"You determine what spells you know and can prepare for each class individually, as if you were a single-classed member of that class. If you are a ranger 4/wizard 3, for example, you know three 1st-level ranger spells based on your levels in the ranger class. As 3rd-level wizard, you know three wizard cantrips, and your spellbook contains ten wizard spells, two of which (the two you gained when
you reached 3rd level as a wizard) can be 2nd-level spells. If your Intelligence is 16, you can prepare six wizard spells from your spellbook. Each spell you know and prepare is associated with one o f your classes, and you use the spellcasting ability o f that class when you cast the spell. Similarly, a spellcasting focus, such as a holy symbol, can be used only for the spells from the class associated with that focus."
So I argued he couldn't do that, since holy weapon is a 4th level spell and as a level 1 sorcerer he could just take 1st level spells from the sorcerer or cleric spell list. BUT there is this section on pact magic :
"If you have both the Spellcasting class feature and the Pact Magic class feature from the warlock class, you can use the spell slots you gain from the Pact Magic feature to cast spells you know or have prepared from classes with the Spellcasting class feature, and you can use the spell slots you gain from the Spellcasting class feature to cast warlock spells you know."
And
"Once you have the Spellcasting feature from more than one class, use the rules below. If you multiclass but have the Spellcasting feature from only one class, you follow the rules as described in that class."
Warlocks dont have the spellcasting feature, only pact magic
Finlay the sorcerer spells know say:
"The Spells Known column of the Sorcerer table shows when you learn more sorcerer spells of your choice. Each of these spells must be of a level for which you have spell slots. For instance, when you reach 3rd level in this class, you can learn one new spell of 1st or 2nd level"
So he argues that since he has 5 th level slots, and only one class with spellcasting he can pick holy weapon since he has spell slots for it.
So thats it. I am very torn on this issue, leaning more on the side that he couldn't do it but since I dint found any definitive answer I allowed him to take it ( I am a permissive DM ><) but the question remains.
As I already let said player take the spell i will not take it back, but i really want to know how the rules handle this, even if its just to avoid problems in the future.
TL:DR Can Warlock12/DS Sorcerer1 can take holy weapon as a spell know ?
Please Playground, Help me
Sorry for the wall of text