newguydude1
2020-12-12, 01:53 PM
this combo is named "carry combo" because this combo is going to carry my character from level 5 all the way into late epic. so its a very important combo. my entire character revolves around this combo. so before i go any further i want to double check that it is in fact a legal combo.
Certain requirements must be met in order for a character to create a magic item. These include feats, spells, and miscellaneous requirements such as level, alignment, and race or kind. The prerequisites for creation of an item are given immediately following the item’s caster level.
A spell prerequisite may be provided by a character who has prepared the spell (or who knows the spell, in the case of a sorcerer or bard), or through the use of a spell completion or spell trigger magic item or a spell-like ability that produces the desired spell effect. For each day that passes in the creation process, the creator must expend one spell completion item or one charge from a spell trigger item if either of those objects is used to supply a prerequisite.
It is possible for more than one character to cooperate in the creation of an item, with each participant providing one or more of the prerequisites. In some cases, cooperation may even be necessary.
If two or more characters cooperate to create an item, they must agree among themselves who will be considered the creator for the purpose of determinations where the creator’s level must be known. The character designated as the creator pays the XP required to make the item.
Typically, a list of prerequisites includes one feat and one or more spells (or some other requirement in addition to the feat).
When two spells at the end of a list are separated by "or," one of those spells is required in addition to every other spell mentioned prior to the last two.
All items have prerequisites in their descriptions. These prerequisites must be met for the item to be created. Most of the time, they take the form of feats and spells that the item’s creator must know, although access through another magic item or spellcaster is allowed. It’s perfectly acceptable for two or more characters to work together to create a magic item, with each character supplying some of the prerequisites. (In all places where this text refers to the “creator” of a magic item, it includes all characters supplying at least one prerequisite for the item’s creation.) The XP cost must always be paid by the character who supplies the item creation feat required by the item, no matter how many other characters cooperate in its creation.
ok so these are the only two places i could find that talks about multiple characters working together on an item.
so putting these two passages together
1. the xp cost must be paid by the feat provider
2. the xp provider's level is used for "creator level" i.e. golem descriptions saying "The creator must be 25th level"
other than that, anything goes.
to create a scroll you need
1. feat (scribe scroll)
2. scroll xp cost
3. gp cost for the scroll
4. spell
5. gp and xp for the spell material component
6. caster level
so the scroll creation is gonna be split into 3 parts.
me
mirror mephit
simulacrum.
i provide the feat, scroll xp (gallons of liquid pain or ambrosia), and gp cost for the scroll (1-3)
mirror mephit provides the spell (4.), and since casting his sla doesnt require any components, 5. is ignored
simulacrum provides the caster level
(the following creatures are simulacra of double hd advanced creatures. so if a creature has 8hd, i make a simulacrum of a 16hd version so when its halved its 8hd)
so
1. mirror mephit makes a simulacrum of a silit (cl 16)
2. we cooperate to create a scroll of a cl16 scroll of simulacrum.
3. i activate the scroll to create a simulacrum of a khastigur (cl 18)
4. we cooperate to create a scroll of cl18 scroll of simulacrum
5. i activate the scroll to create a simulacrum of a sorrowsworn demon (cl20)
6. we cooperate to create a scroll of cl20 scroll of simulacrum.
---epic---
7. i activate the scroll to create a simulacrum of a ha-naga
8. we cooperate to create 7 scrolls of embrace the dark chaos and 7 scrolls of shun the dark chaos (need to do this to dodge xp cost, because im pretty sure simulacra cant have xp)
9. the ha-naga activates all 14 scrolls on itself to completely switch out all of its 7 feats to
extend spell
persistent spell
dragontouched
practical metamagic:persistent spell
spell focus necromancy
metamagic school focus necromancy
extra spell: suffer the flesh
10. the ha-naga casts persistent consumptive field and persistent suffer the flesh to boost its cl to 36
11. we cooperate to create a scroll of cl36 simulacrum
12. i activate the cl36 scroll of simulacrum to create a 36hd monster which will carry me until i can get a higher caster level than 36.
i was gonna grab a solar cause he can get epic feats so i can get a persistent greater consumptive field to boost his cl to 46, but hard rule on my dm, no monsters with wish, so... unless someone here can give me an epic creature with 20th level spellcasting, ha-naga is as high as i can get (ha-naga cant get epic feats for improved metamagic).
scroll cl activation is a concern. but i think i can overcome it with consumptive field. because i dont need to persist it because i only need my cl boosted for that one standard action. also taking 10 really helps here, like a lot.
ok, lay it on me. is this combo legit?
Certain requirements must be met in order for a character to create a magic item. These include feats, spells, and miscellaneous requirements such as level, alignment, and race or kind. The prerequisites for creation of an item are given immediately following the item’s caster level.
A spell prerequisite may be provided by a character who has prepared the spell (or who knows the spell, in the case of a sorcerer or bard), or through the use of a spell completion or spell trigger magic item or a spell-like ability that produces the desired spell effect. For each day that passes in the creation process, the creator must expend one spell completion item or one charge from a spell trigger item if either of those objects is used to supply a prerequisite.
It is possible for more than one character to cooperate in the creation of an item, with each participant providing one or more of the prerequisites. In some cases, cooperation may even be necessary.
If two or more characters cooperate to create an item, they must agree among themselves who will be considered the creator for the purpose of determinations where the creator’s level must be known. The character designated as the creator pays the XP required to make the item.
Typically, a list of prerequisites includes one feat and one or more spells (or some other requirement in addition to the feat).
When two spells at the end of a list are separated by "or," one of those spells is required in addition to every other spell mentioned prior to the last two.
All items have prerequisites in their descriptions. These prerequisites must be met for the item to be created. Most of the time, they take the form of feats and spells that the item’s creator must know, although access through another magic item or spellcaster is allowed. It’s perfectly acceptable for two or more characters to work together to create a magic item, with each character supplying some of the prerequisites. (In all places where this text refers to the “creator” of a magic item, it includes all characters supplying at least one prerequisite for the item’s creation.) The XP cost must always be paid by the character who supplies the item creation feat required by the item, no matter how many other characters cooperate in its creation.
ok so these are the only two places i could find that talks about multiple characters working together on an item.
so putting these two passages together
1. the xp cost must be paid by the feat provider
2. the xp provider's level is used for "creator level" i.e. golem descriptions saying "The creator must be 25th level"
other than that, anything goes.
to create a scroll you need
1. feat (scribe scroll)
2. scroll xp cost
3. gp cost for the scroll
4. spell
5. gp and xp for the spell material component
6. caster level
so the scroll creation is gonna be split into 3 parts.
me
mirror mephit
simulacrum.
i provide the feat, scroll xp (gallons of liquid pain or ambrosia), and gp cost for the scroll (1-3)
mirror mephit provides the spell (4.), and since casting his sla doesnt require any components, 5. is ignored
simulacrum provides the caster level
(the following creatures are simulacra of double hd advanced creatures. so if a creature has 8hd, i make a simulacrum of a 16hd version so when its halved its 8hd)
so
1. mirror mephit makes a simulacrum of a silit (cl 16)
2. we cooperate to create a scroll of a cl16 scroll of simulacrum.
3. i activate the scroll to create a simulacrum of a khastigur (cl 18)
4. we cooperate to create a scroll of cl18 scroll of simulacrum
5. i activate the scroll to create a simulacrum of a sorrowsworn demon (cl20)
6. we cooperate to create a scroll of cl20 scroll of simulacrum.
---epic---
7. i activate the scroll to create a simulacrum of a ha-naga
8. we cooperate to create 7 scrolls of embrace the dark chaos and 7 scrolls of shun the dark chaos (need to do this to dodge xp cost, because im pretty sure simulacra cant have xp)
9. the ha-naga activates all 14 scrolls on itself to completely switch out all of its 7 feats to
extend spell
persistent spell
dragontouched
practical metamagic:persistent spell
spell focus necromancy
metamagic school focus necromancy
extra spell: suffer the flesh
10. the ha-naga casts persistent consumptive field and persistent suffer the flesh to boost its cl to 36
11. we cooperate to create a scroll of cl36 simulacrum
12. i activate the cl36 scroll of simulacrum to create a 36hd monster which will carry me until i can get a higher caster level than 36.
i was gonna grab a solar cause he can get epic feats so i can get a persistent greater consumptive field to boost his cl to 46, but hard rule on my dm, no monsters with wish, so... unless someone here can give me an epic creature with 20th level spellcasting, ha-naga is as high as i can get (ha-naga cant get epic feats for improved metamagic).
scroll cl activation is a concern. but i think i can overcome it with consumptive field. because i dont need to persist it because i only need my cl boosted for that one standard action. also taking 10 really helps here, like a lot.
ok, lay it on me. is this combo legit?