Bobur
2021-01-10, 07:11 AM
Hello everyone, I didn't find anything with a quick search and it might be a bit too much for the RAW Q/A thread, so I want to ask here:
I am just starting to play a rogue, and begin to realize how tricky everything including SA can be. so please help me clear some of that up.
1) The obvious: Flanking and surprise attack.
2) Denying Dex/FF - certain conditions, balance, grapple... being invisible when attacking.
3) But it becomes a bit tricky when you add the hide skill to the mix.
Hide, if successful, basically makes you invisible and the easiest way to go from there is a ranged attack (30ft)
4) You can hide in darkness or fog (concealment) But you can't SA as long as you are inside the darkness. Or can I attack a target outside of the concealment zone with a bow or blade and do SA dmg? I don't think so, but maybe you know for sure.
5) Hiding and melee: Here it becomes a bit confusing in my mind.
I make a hide check (maybe with bluff for distraction) and wait for my next turn. Can I then move to a target and melee attack it for SA dmg?
I assume not - I would think that I am not hidden anymore once I leave my hiding place and therefore can't SA. This approach would work in a surprise attack though with a partial charge.
6) Hiding behind a corner/door/cover: Works just fine. What this does is that the target doesn't see you looking around the corner. However, as soon as he moves past the corner he would automatically see you, since you have no longer a cover to hide behind, yes?
What I could do in that scenario is to ready an arrow though.
7) Awareness: Let's say I shot a target and he knows that I am there, hiding somewhere. How does that affect Sneak attack options? I would think of it the same way as invisibility, as long as he doesn't find me with a spot check or by moving around cover, he should remain vulnerable. Not sure on this though.
8) Any other scenario... whatever comes to your mind that might be worth noting.
Thanks in advance.
I just started playing a rogue but I am a bit astonished as to how easy it is to block SAs. 1 Blur or fog spell completely negates my main dmg source, while half the enemies are immune to begin with.
Unless I get darkvision or low light vision, sneak attacking from a dark corridor or just in the night doesn't work either.... 3.5e really doesn't want rogues to do SA, does it. ^^°
I am just starting to play a rogue, and begin to realize how tricky everything including SA can be. so please help me clear some of that up.
1) The obvious: Flanking and surprise attack.
2) Denying Dex/FF - certain conditions, balance, grapple... being invisible when attacking.
3) But it becomes a bit tricky when you add the hide skill to the mix.
Hide, if successful, basically makes you invisible and the easiest way to go from there is a ranged attack (30ft)
4) You can hide in darkness or fog (concealment) But you can't SA as long as you are inside the darkness. Or can I attack a target outside of the concealment zone with a bow or blade and do SA dmg? I don't think so, but maybe you know for sure.
5) Hiding and melee: Here it becomes a bit confusing in my mind.
I make a hide check (maybe with bluff for distraction) and wait for my next turn. Can I then move to a target and melee attack it for SA dmg?
I assume not - I would think that I am not hidden anymore once I leave my hiding place and therefore can't SA. This approach would work in a surprise attack though with a partial charge.
6) Hiding behind a corner/door/cover: Works just fine. What this does is that the target doesn't see you looking around the corner. However, as soon as he moves past the corner he would automatically see you, since you have no longer a cover to hide behind, yes?
What I could do in that scenario is to ready an arrow though.
7) Awareness: Let's say I shot a target and he knows that I am there, hiding somewhere. How does that affect Sneak attack options? I would think of it the same way as invisibility, as long as he doesn't find me with a spot check or by moving around cover, he should remain vulnerable. Not sure on this though.
8) Any other scenario... whatever comes to your mind that might be worth noting.
Thanks in advance.
I just started playing a rogue but I am a bit astonished as to how easy it is to block SAs. 1 Blur or fog spell completely negates my main dmg source, while half the enemies are immune to begin with.
Unless I get darkvision or low light vision, sneak attacking from a dark corridor or just in the night doesn't work either.... 3.5e really doesn't want rogues to do SA, does it. ^^°