Blackwing and his sense of sight.

[Ginasius]

I don't think this is going to have any "Chekhov's gun" type narrative significance but I'm curious about how colors are perceived by animals, familiars, humans and other races in the OOTSverse and, by extension, in D&D.

Is there any reference in the strips to color blindness?

Is there any canonical description in any D&D rulebook about the sense of sight in birds or dogs or elves?

Are there any other tidbits of information on these topics that you remember and think might be interesting?

Of course, this question came to my mind when I saw Roy and Blackwing arguing in the present strip about the yellowness of a ground that I, for one, perceive as "dirty greenish."

[KorvinStarmast]

Blackwing and his sense of sight.
Blackwing's insight {vis a vis V} is its raison d'etre.

Blackwing's sense of style far exceeds its sense of sight (https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1119.html)

[Metastachydium]

Most birds, including corvids, are tetrachromats which is the farthest thing from colour blindness that I can think of. D&D statblocks do not reflect this, though, as far as I can tell.

[Ginasius]

Thanks a lot to all of you that have answered in this not particularly succesfull thread. :smallredface:

[KorvinStarmast]

Most birds, including corvids, are tetrachromats which is the farthest thing from colour blindness that I can think of. D&D statblocks do not reflect this, though, as far as I can tell. I had to look up that term, and found it quite interesting, and in particular this bit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetrachromacy

Tetrachromacy may also enhance vision in dim lighting...
Something similar to the 5e darkvision thing, though I wonder at how related it is to a few of the low light vision enhancing sensors we had on a few of our aircraft ... anyway, this thread was helpful to me. :smallsmile:

[hamishspence]

I don't think this is going to have any "Chekhov's gun" type narrative significance but I'm curious about how colors are perceived by animals, familiars, humans and other races in the OOTSverse and, by extension, in D&D.

Is there any reference in the strips to color blindness?

In the How The Paladin Got His Scar story in Good Deeds Gone Unpunished, it comes up.

O-Chul talks to a binturong, and the binturong is unaware of what colour is.

[Ginasius]

In the How The Paladin Got His Scar story in Good Deeds Gone Unpunished, it comes up.

O-Chul talks to a binturong, and the binturong is unaware of what colour is.

Well, I was looking in D&D wikis about those beasts and I've discovered that it's a real animal.

Southeast Asia's zoology willl never stop surprising me. :smallbiggrin:

[Jasdoif]

Most birds, including corvids, are tetrachromats which is the farthest thing from colour blindness that I can think of.There's farther. (https://theoatmeal.com/comics/mantis_shrimp)

[WanderingMist]

There's farther. (https://theoatmeal.com/comics/mantis_shrimp)




Well, you beat me to it.

[Roland Itiative]

Well, about colourblindness specifically, darkvision in 3rd edition D&D doesn't allow the person to see colour in the dark, effectivelly making them colourblind under those circunstances. Other than that, I don't think there are any differences between the vision capabilities of the different races.

[albertonykus]

There's farther.

So one would expect, however... experiments have found that mantis shrimps are worse at discriminating between different colors compared to most animals that have three or four types of color receptors. It instead appears that their color vision system is adapted for recognizing colors quickly, but not necessarily distinguishing subtle differences among different shades of color.

My post count is not high enough to link a relevant article directly, so this will have to do: nationalgeographic.com/science/phenomena/2014/01/23/the-mantis-shrimp-sees-like-a-satellite/

[Lord Torath]

I came to mention the binturongs as a colorblind creature, but hamishpence beat me to it.

On the other hand, there's also 'farther'.

Farther is used to compare physical distances. Mars is farther than the moon. If you can meaningfully use a physical measurement, you can use 'farther'.

Further is used to compare metaphorical distances, such as going further than 3 types of cones in your eyes. I could go further into examples of how to use 'further,' for example.

Learned that from watching Finding Forrester (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0181536/) a while back.

Having now gotten my inner editor off my back, please feel free to ignore this post.

[facw]

I don't believe it's ever been mentioned or even alluded to in strip, but Hinjo is red-green colorblind (https://forums.giantitp.com/showthread.php?363648-OOTS-959-The-Discussion-Thread/page19&p=17833424#post17833424)

[Dion]

I don't believe it's ever been mentioned or even alluded to in strip, but Hinjo is red-green colorblind (https://forums.giantitp.com/showthread.php?363648-OOTS-959-The-Discussion-Thread/page19&p=17833424#post17833424)

This hints at how azure city will be resolved.

The humans can change the name to “cerulean blue city”, because Hinjo wont know the difference.

In turn, the goblins can nickname it “cruelean blue city”.

After that, they can all live together happily side by side.

Win win.

[Ginasius]

Of course, this question came to my mind when I saw Roy and Blackwing arguing in the present strip about the yellowness of a ground that I, for one, perceive as "dirty greenish."

By the way, I just learned that this:

https://finofilipino.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/wefqwedqwergweqrgwertgh.jpg

is considered the ugliest color in the world. It is pantone 448C and was "created" to inspire rejection on Australian tobacco packs.

https://finofilipino.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/werfqewrfwergwergh.jpeg

I find some similarities to the floor of this final dungeon. Is Serini trying to make visitors uncomfortable?

[KorvinStarmast]

is considered the ugliest color in the world. It is pantone 448C and was "created" to inspire rejection on Australian tobacco packs. They forgot one phrase:

"Smoking causes stress relief"

Because it did, for me, for quite a few years. I don't smoke anymore, have not for some years.

[Yxylu]

In the How The Paladin Got His Scar story in Good Deeds Gone Unpunished, it comes up.

O-Chul talks to a binturong, and the binturong is unaware of what colour is.

While O-Chul was the primary speaker in that story, it was Saha Kapoor who could speak with the binturong.

[Ginasius]

I'm curious about how colors are perceived by animals, familiars, humans and other races in the OOTSverse and, by extension, in D&D.

A note, not about colors, but relative to the sense of sight and positively part of the OOTSverse canon.

In comic #1101 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1101.html) Minrah and Blackwing have this dialogue:

Vaarsuvius: (makes a ball of light appear) Light.
Minrah: What's that for?
Blackwing: Halflings and humans can't see in the dark.
Minrah: Wow, not even shapes? Not even up close?
Blackwing: They are such limited creatures. I choose to pity them.

I infer that both Minrah and Blackwing can see in the dark.

[hamishspence]

A note, not about colors, but relative to the sense of sight and positively part of the OOTSverse canon.

In comic #1101 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1101.html) Minrah and Blackwing have this dialogue:

Vaarsuvius: (makes a ball of light appear) Light.
Minrah: What's that for?
Blackwing: Halflings and humans can't see in the dark.
Minrah: Wow, not even shapes? Not even up close?
Blackwing: They are such limited creatures. I choose to pity them.

I infer that both Minrah and Blackwing can see in the dark.

Dwarves have Darkvision in 3.5. Familiars are Magical Beasts, and Magical Beasts have Darkvision. They're augmented from animals, and the base animal (a Raven in this case) has low-light vision - so this strip is consistent with the way the rules handle Dwarfs and Familiars.