Drow Hellreaver

[ChaosStar]

Alright I got inspired by another Thread and decided to make a Hellreaver. I decided on Drow for the Race, but I'm conflicted on Base Class. So what do you guys think, Crusader, Knight, or Paladin? Going to be Male and worship Eilistraee. Nothing else decided yet. Stats not rolled yet but going to be: 4d6 drop lowest reroll ones. May pick up a +1 LA template. Any suggestions for those?

[Doctor Despair]

Alright I got inspired by another Thread and decided to make a Hellreaver. I decided on Drow for the Race, but I'm conflicted on Base Class. So what do you guys think, Crusader, Knight, or Paladin? Going to be Male and worship Eilistraee. Nothing else decided yet. Stats not rolled yet but going to be: 4d6 drop lowest reroll ones. May pick up a +1 LA template. Any suggestions for those?

I'm not super familiar with Hellreaver, but Crusader is the strongest of the three generically. Knight gets some interesting abilities, but a lot of them depend on your Knight level, so dipping can be sketchy. Paladin is fine -- just not the strongest base class generically.

[ChaosStar]

I'm not super familiar with Hellreaver, but Crusader is the strongest of the three generically. Knight gets some interesting abilities, but a lot of them depend on your Knight level, so dipping can be sketchy. Paladin is fine -- just not the strongest base class generically.

Hellreaver is from Fiendish Codex II. Super Angry at fiends and gets a pool of points to spend on swift action class features that revolve around fighting them. Class Features grant stuff like Bonus to Saving Throws, Bonus to AC, Bonus Damage Dice, Healing, and Exploding Evil Outsiders as a capstone.

[Biffoniacus_Furiou]

Whatever you decide on, be sure to dip one level of Binder and always bind Naberius. This gives you fast healing for ability damage, so when you hit Hellreaver 5 you can use heroic sacrifice to refresh your points as often as you want and be able to spam your Hellreaver abilities every round. If your Con score is an odd number, you won't have any math when you do that since you'll heal one point of the 2 damage the same round and have the same modifier.

Crusader is absolutely best for this. Between combining big strike maneuvers with furious strike, using divine succor on top of healing maneuvers to fix yourself and your teammates, being decently powerful despite not being a spellcaster, and thematic similarities, it's definitely the way to go. You could even go Crusader 5/ Binder 1/ Hellreaver 5/ Crusader 9 and have 9th level maneuvers at 20th if you play that long.

[ChaosStar]

Whatever you decide on, be sure to dip one level of Binder and always bind Naberius. This gives you fast healing for ability damage, so when you hit Hellreaver 5 you can use heroic sacrifice to refresh your points as often as you want and be able to spam your Hellreaver abilities every round. If your Con score is an odd number, you won't have any math when you do that since you'll heal one point of the 2 damage the same round and have the same modifier.

Crusader is absolutely best for this. Between combining big strike maneuvers with furious strike, using divine succor on top of healing maneuvers to fix yourself and your teammates, being decently powerful despite not being a spellcaster, and thematic similarities, it's definitely the way to go. You could even go Crusader 5/ Binder 1/ Hellreaver 5/ Crusader 9 and have 9th level maneuvers at 20th if you play that long.

DM plays with XP penalties, so no to Binder. Also planning on at least Hellreaver 8 to get that 30 point swift action heal.

[Biffoniacus_Furiou]

DM plays with XP penalties, so no to Binder. Also planning on at least Hellreaver 8 to get that 30 point swift action heal.

That's a bummer, considering over two-thirds of the base classes in the game aren't the favored class of any race. Maybe go Crusader 3/ Binder 3/ Hellreaver then to make that work?

[Doctor Despair]

Humans have favored class: any, so they'd work

[Heavenblade]

If you can get it in the build, try to get 2nd level casting (perhaps paladin/crusader/rkv dip?) with restoration spells, in order to take mitigate suffering (the reserve feat), works quite well with hellreaver. Even though it pushes your entry point quite far up the scale, so maybe It'd be better to go cleric or something.

[ChaosStar]

Humans have favored class: any, so they'd work

Race is Drow.

[animewatcha]

Unless you are doing something like a lesser Drow, isn't Drow itself a LA+2 right off the bat?

sidenote: Am I reading Hellreaver in that you can treat it like Factotum. Infinite encounters for infinite holy fury points for infinite healing to an extent?

[ChaosStar]

Unless you are doing something like a lesser Drow, isn't Drow itself a LA+2 right off the bat?

sidenote: Am I reading Hellreaver in that you can treat it like Factotum. Infinite encounters for infinite holy fury points for infinite healing to an extent?

Yes on the LA, I was meaning I don't want more than +3 LA so I have 1 LA left after Drow's LA.

Not sure on the Factotum. It's swift action healing and you only get one of those a round.

Anyways I decided on Paladin of Freedom for the Base as that loses the least from 8+ levels in Hellreaver. But Hellreaver doesn't bypass the Paladin's multiclassing restriction, so I was wondering for the remaining 5-7 levels Holy Liberator or Pious Templar?

[Doctor Despair]

OK, so you need BAB5, so you aren't taking this before level 6 anyway without lycanthropy shenanigans. The Binder level makes it level 7.

You could just keep all your base classes to 1-2 level dips, so something like...

Binder 1
Hit-and-Run Fighter 2
Crusader 2
Paladin of Freedom 2

and then into Hellreaver.

[Eldonauran]

I built a character for one of the Iron Chef challenges that used Hellreaver. Their entry was Duskblade 3 / Soulborn 2 and they used Strongheart Vest from Magic of the Incarnum to deal with the ability damage, instead of binding any entities. The character was even quite focused on healing and preventing/restoring ability damage. Hmm, which one was it again...

On right: Iron Chef (Angelique A'lanale) (https://forums.giantitp.com/showsinglepost.php?p=16263241&postcount=276) ... Good times. I believe her level 20 character sheet is still accessible if you want to see some stats.

[ChaosStar]

OK, so you need BAB5, so you aren't taking this before level 6 anyway without lycanthropy shenanigans. The Binder level makes it level 7.

You could just keep all your base classes to 1-2 level dips, so something like...

Binder 1
Hit-and-Run Fighter 2
Crusader 2
Paladin of Freedom 2

and then into Hellreaver.

Binder does not fit for the character.

[ChaosStar]

After more thinking I decided to switch to Crusader for my Base Class. Going Crusader 12/Hellreaver 8.

[Biffoniacus_Furiou]

Get a Rod of Bodily Restoration in MIC to fix the Con damage from heroic sacrifice. You should be able to have a pile of them by the time you get that class feature, considering how cheap they are.

[Gruftzwerg]

Race is Drow.

I would suggest Deepwyrm Half-Drow if you don't insist to be full Drow. (no LA, free multiclassing and is dragonblooded)

- dip 1-2 lvl Paladin (for Detect Evil & Divine Grace)
rest either Crusader, Warblade or even Fighter.

- can pick Draconic Aura: Vigor at 3rd lvl (fast healing aura for up to half of max hp. scales with character lvl).

- dip Barb for Pounce ACF?

e.g.
Paladin 2 / Barb 1 / Fighter 2

[Gorthawar]

Going with the Crusader 12 / Hellreaver 8 which feats would you be taking aside from power attack?

[ChaosStar]

Going with the Crusader 12 / Hellreaver 8 which feats would you be taking aside from power attack?

Got Education, Daylight Adaptation, and Exotic Weapon Proficiency (Bastard Sword) at 1st due to flaws. Picking up Power Attack at 3rd, Adaptive Style at 6th, Frightful Presence at 9th, Extra Granted Maneuver at 12th, Sudden Recovery at 15th, and Martial Study at 18th.

Yes, I know spending a feat on EWP is not optimal, I don't care. I like Sword and Board.