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Blind_Prophet
2021-02-20, 04:57 PM
So I've been running this idea through my head for quite a long time a world or universe (the former being more Pathfinder the latter more Starfinder) that is a perfect utopia with each nation or planet being the best version of various types of government/societies Democracy, Socialist Communism, Theocratic, etc. (one i thought could be fun is a dwarven nation during something similar to the industrial revolution except w/o people dying in coal mines) but something causes the perfect balance to break or is about to break and the actual campaign is with the initial hook of fixing/keeping the balance from breaking. One idea i have it relied on powerful individuals or groups (either like high levels spellcasters or even deity level powers) to keep it from imploding and their dying or there's assassination plots something like that.

TBH Starfinder is my preference but my players aren't big fans of doing sci-fi campaigns (ive been trying to get them to let me DM or play iron gods, starfinder and/or star wars forever) so it would be a hard sell, so the planets might have to be isolated islands, which is another idea i had for how the utopias might collapse, the reverse of pangea, the islands have been slowly moving together and the ideologies literally smashing into one another would be catastrophic, still doesn't mean a diety wasn't involved, steering people away from inventing sea or space travel for example but maybe the deity(s) finally died or is dying after billions of years or something...maybe pulls one champion from each society to solve it i dunno,maybe each society has its own deity w/ it own champion, maybe one of said deities went rogue and wants to take all the islands/planets from the others i dunno there's alot of competing ideas in my head)

I'd very grateful for any suggestions on how to create several different utopias and how to destroy them i could also use some help with government styles but to be clear this is NOT a debate about real life politics just what would the best version of each government/society would look like (ie. Socialist Commune = non-sentient robots do all the "grunt work" allowing the sentient creatures to do whatever they want whether its art, invention, get high and watch netflix, etc.)

So uh yeah that's pretty much it. Hopefully I don't sound too nuts/ambitious :P

Calthropstu
2021-02-20, 07:43 PM
I have only heard bad things about starfinder, but have never played it.

In Pathfinder it is easy enough. An artifact fueling the eutopia broke and needs something legrndary to fix it... and not everyone wants it fixed.

Demons/devils/daemons/undead/other evil threat long kept at bay has suddenly breached the barrier.

Those upkeeping the utopia have had it with each other and are trying to kill each other, no matter the cost.

The utopia was at a steep cost, one no longer able to be paid.

Utopias fail eventually. Dystopias are likewise made better after a while. Any myriad number of reasons could do it.

How do the PCs come in?

"Everything is great. Prices have been stable for thousands of years. Everyone has all their needs met. Magic items are plentiful. You rub your hair with a comb/brush and wonder what color you should have the magical comb make your hair today. You decide on green. Your hair quickly changes, but after looking in the mirror decide blue would be better. But this time it doesn't change. Huh. Wierd. Guess it's green. You'll have to take it in to be looked at after school. You grab your storage school bag with all your books and pick it up... why is it so heavy?" As magic item after magic item begins failing, you join a group of students after school and decide you should all investigate...

Blind_Prophet
2021-02-21, 07:12 AM
OK so first off thanks for all the help so far I've got alot to check out here's what im looking at for reference so far including stuff from reddit and paizo (none of this will be "the setting" just stuff to pull ideas from)...btw any suggestions for other forums to ask for assistance at?

- Various thoughts on how to break a utopia that aren't linked to any specific setting/website (always open to more)

- Star Trek, lots of of star trek :D

- Some historical blogs for examples of rises and falls of civilizations

https://acoup.blog/2020/10/30/fireside-friday-october-30-2020/

https://acoup.blog/2021/01/15/miscellanea-insurrections-ancient-and-modern-and-also-meet-the-academicats/

- Suggestion of having the <undecided powerful being and/or artifact> be damaged or lost resulting in outside interference coming through a weakened barrier and/or have things inside the Utopia(s) start to malfuction (ie. if utopia was achieved through robots or mass produced magic items getting alot of Ebberon vibes here)

- The Tippyverse (basically a setting based on hey teleportation magic is a thing why doesn't anyone really use it and how that would affect a world, teleportation would likely be absent or extremely limited in the setting im planning since it would make no sense that things would still be isolated, boats too but its still a helpful look into how magic can **** things up economically and socially)

https://forums.giantitp.com/showthread.php?222007-The-Definitive-Guide-to-the-Tippyverse-By-Emperor-Tippy

- Building a Magitechnocratic society (based off of tippy verse but mostly limited to 3rd level spells or lower since the creator sees it much more likely to be able to gather alot of lower level spellcasters and their seems to be intention for this to be used for E6

https://forums.giantitp.com/showthread.php?242955-Building-a-Magitechnocratic-Society-Tippyverse-in-under-six-levels

- Spell Jammer (i know very little about this setting but it apparently involves alot of planar stuff and would be useful for isolating the "islands" but allowing for controlled travel between them for the PCs since their champions of the <undetermind powerful being and/or artifact>

- The persons campaign setting for spelljammer

https://forums.giantitp.com/showthread.php?116955-Castaways-upon-a-Planar-sea%28world-in-progress-D-amp-D-3-5%29