If the Linear guild and Xycon's group fought...

[krossbow]

How do you think the scenario would play out? This premise is based on the idea that, currently, there are 3 total groups after the gates (and power of the snarl). The order of the stick, Xycon, and (since finding out about it) the linear guild.


Since neither Xycon or Nale seem the type to share, its plausible that they might come into conflict with one another at some point over contestation of a gate. In addition, Nale is lawful evil and Xycon is chaotic evil; These two alignments generally hate each other even more than Good Hates them (see demon-devil wars for example. Neutral Planar powers actually count devils among their allies for this reason).




So, if the two groups were to end up in a conflict, either planned out and instigated by one, or in a knock down fight, how do you think it would go?"

[Corsair]

Okay, let's assume that the Linear Guild got back together, and raised Yokyok from the dead, too. Nale, Sabine, Thog, Pompey, Leeky, and Yokyok against Xykon and Redcloak and the MITD?

Here's something of how it might go.

Nale, Thog, and Yokyok would charge Xykon while Sabine tried to drain Redcloak, Leeky animated his trees, and Pompey engaged with bugs or something.

Xykon would probably blow one or more of their front men to hell in the opening exchanges with a finger of death to clear it up, probably Yokyok. Redcloak would duel with Sabine, probably about equally matched. The Monster in the Dark would probably hang back right now and be ignored.

Pompey's bugs miss Xykon, Leeky's trees probably land a few hits and scratch him up. Nale lands a hit, scratching up Xykon's nasal cavity, Thog hits and hurts him a bit more. Yokyok is severely injured, maybe dead. We'll say alive and misses. Pompey fires off one of any number of spells - we haven't really seen him in action yet, but we'll say Missile Storm on Redcloak. Redcloak is hurting a pretty big deal. Leeky begins buffing his trees, starting with fire.

Then one of the Demon Roaches suggests that MITD give Nale a pat on the back. He does and breaks Nale's spine. Nale is dead. The Guild begins to fragment without a leader. Pompey runs for it and Leeky sends his trees at the MITD. Xykon hits Yokyok with lightning and kills him. Thog is in despair over the loss of Nale and uses his turn trying to persuade Nale's body to get up. Sabine, enraged, turns her attention towards Xykon. Redcloak attacks Leeky with Destruction and kills him.

Thog uses Barbarian Rage on Xykon, and Sabine hits him at the same time.

Xykon is a little hurt and steps back. Redcloak casts Inflict Critical Wounds on him. Xykon casts Meteor Swarm on Sabine and Thog, severely injuring both.

Sabine runs for it, Thog stays behind. Attacks Xykon, lands two hits, is killed by a combined attack from Redcloak, Xykon, and the MITD.

If they ever do fight, it'll be a massacre - The OOTS is considerably more competent than the Linear Guild and they have yet to kill Xykon.

[Krytha]

Okay, let's assume that the Linear Guild got back together, and raised Yokyok from the dead, too. Nale, Sabine, Thog, Pompey, Leeky, and Yokyok against Xykon and Redcloak and the MITD?

Here's something of how it might go.

Nale, Thog, and Yokyok would charge Xykon while Sabine tried to drain Redcloak, Leeky animated his trees, and Pompey engaged with bugs or something.

Xykon would probably blow one or more of their front men to hell in the opening exchanges with a finger of death to clear it up, probably Yokyok. Redcloak would duel with Sabine, probably about equally matched. The Monster in the Dark would probably hang back right now and be ignored.

Pompey's bugs miss Xykon, Leeky's trees probably land a few hits and scratch him up. Nale lands a hit, scratching up Xykon's nasal cavity, Thog hits and hurts him a bit more. Yokyok is severely injured, maybe dead. We'll say alive and misses. Pompey fires off one of any number of spells - we haven't really seen him in action yet, but we'll say Missile Storm on Redcloak. Redcloak is hurting a pretty big deal. Leeky begins buffing his trees, starting with fire.

Then one of the Demon Roaches suggests that MITD give Nale a pat on the back. He does and breaks Nale's spine. Nale is dead. The Guild begins to fragment without a leader. Pompey runs for it and Leeky sends his trees at the MITD. Xykon hits Yokyok with lightning and kills him. Thog is in despair over the loss of Nale and uses his turn trying to persuade Nale's body to get up. Sabine, enraged, turns her attention towards Xykon. Redcloak attacks Leeky with Destruction and kills him.

Thog uses Barbarian Rage on Xykon, and Sabine hits him at the same time.

Xykon is a little hurt and steps back. Redcloak casts Inflict Critical Wounds on him. Xykon casts Meteor Swarm on Sabine and Thog, severely injuring both.

Sabine runs for it, Thog stays behind. Attacks Xykon, lands two hits, is killed by a combined attack from Redcloak, Xykon, and the MITD.

If they ever do fight, it'll be a massacre - The OOTS is considerably more competent than the Linear Guild and they have yet to kill Xykon.

I think you're giving the LG waaay too much credit and SEVERELY underestimating Red Cloak and Xykon.

[factotum]

How would it go? Basically, Xykon and Redcloak would destroy the Linear Guild in less time than it takes Nale to start explaining his overly complicated and doomed to fail plan... :smallamused:

[FoE]

:xykon: It's XYKON!! X-Y-K-O-N!!! Why can't people get that right?!

[Tempest Fennac]

Also, Pompeii admitted that his barred fromEvocation and Enchntment, so he wouldn't be able to use Magic Missile (his a Conjuration specialist, so he could be a descent blaster if necessary thanks to non-core spells like Mestil's Acid Breath, Burst of Flame, and Orbs of Whatever).

[†Seer†]

Very nice play by play :) Makes me feel bad for intending to merely post "They'd be clobbered".

How I can see Xykon being defeated:

It will be much like the fight at Dorukan's Gate, with all other things aside, Xykon getting knocked into the gate and getting destroyed, then RC easily becoming overwhelmed and while he may flee, he would somehow leave the phylactery, thus allowing OOTS to destroy Xykon. Then again, I've been up for 26 hours so this may sound ridiculous tomorrow. Cheers!

[Manga Shoggoth]

Of course, Pompey and Leeky are no longer in the Linear Guild. It's just Nale, Sabine and Thog.

Any group going up against the Xykon/Redcloak combination is going to win on smarts, not brute force. :redcloak: is a really devious strategist, and :xykon: can be extremely smart when it suits him.

The problem with the Linear Guild (even at full strength) is that :nale: is not nearly as clever as he thinks he is.

[Xefas]

So, if the two groups were to end up in a conflict, either planned out and instigated by one, or in a knock down fight, how do you think it would go?"

Xykon and Redcloak would teleport to a nearby hillside, grab some popcorn, and laugh while the Linear Guild attempts to harm the MitD in any meaningful way.

Then they just wait for the Linear Guild to die of old age.

After this time has elapsed, Redcloak has also died of old age, and yet Sabine is still alive because she is an outsider, and thus presumably immortal. Xykon, however, being undead and having lich damage reduction, is effectively immune to Sabine entirely. He spends the next several decades poking her until her skins wears away, and she dies.

[boomwolf]

Well.
If nale gets pompey, leeky, hilgya and zzdti back, and blackguard miko. then the LG might have a slight chance VS xykon, redcloak and MiTD (he won't do much anyway.), but with the new girl and say 2 legions of hobgoblins, this is jest too much.

[Icewalker]

Well, there are some good points above, but I'd agree that Xykon and pals would wreck the LG.

However, the fact that AFTER OVER 500 STRIPS YOU CANNOT SPELL THE NAME OF THE MAIN VILLAIN this thread immediately loses all credibility. Sorry, but this has started to get really, really annoying.

[Gri]

Ironic. Krossbow calls Xykon - Xycon.

[Coffee_Dragon]

Ironik, you mean?

[Kish]

Ironic. Krossbow calls Xykon - Xycon.
He wants to trade the c in crossbow for Xykon's k?

(I think Xykon would probably kill--or should that be cill?--him for suggesting it.)

[Capt'n Ironbrow]

The Linear Guild doesn't stand a chance.
For starters, Xykon is way out of their league when you compare their class-levels.
second, there's about 15,000 hobgoblins and undead creatures led by Redcloak.
Third, Redcloak himself is quite powerfull as well.
fourth, Xykon has the MITD!

To beat Xykon, Nale must be very, very smart. He must get rid of all the Hobgoblins and undead as well as the MITD. Now, the MITD might be relatively easy to get rid of if you exploit his stupidity, but the big army?

[Tempest Fennac]

Xykon's army is probably much bigger: after the battle it consisted of about 20,000 Hobgoblins and possibly a similar amount of undead (there were 10,000 casuelties on each side, and a lot of the HG Clerics were apparently able to cast Animate Dead at least once/day.

[Elfanatic]

To beat Xykon, Nale must be very, very smart.

Tell it to the squirrels, they like nuts.

Seriously, while Nale has high intelligence, his very character (evil twin) demands that any plan he comes up with is an overdone cliché. Unless Nale manages to find some new allies, or convince another party to attack Xykon, the Linear Guild is doomed.

[Green and Red]

Redcloak has also died of old age

just a small correction, i think redcloak is also practically immune to aging. As far as i remember, we se him and his brother over the span of quite some years, and his brother is much older (given the rather short lifespan of goblins), and he isnt.
This is propably best explained with the crimson mantle, stooping someone from aging is easyly within the power range of an artifact.

[The Linker]

:xykon: It's XYKON!! X-Y-K-O-N!!! Why can't people get that right?!


I know! Honestly, it's a five-letter word, and it's a COMIC STRIP. How can anyone spell it WRONG!? You've only seen it like 200 times!

Anyway, if it was just a straight face-off between the Linear Guild and XyKon + Redcloak + MitD, it's no contest. Meteor swarm. Everyone's dead or close. Except maybe Thog.

But, if Nale had time to form a big plan, gather supplies, and lure Xykon into it, it might be a little more even. I still think Xykon would win, but who knows, Nale is crafty. Enough of the right scrolls could work wonders.

[Querzis]

They would be doomed...in other word they woudnt attack them. The entire OOTS would be doomed against just Xykon and its also true for the LG and now Xykon got a freaking army to help him. I dont see Nale trying to fight him in those conditions, here is what I expect to see:

Xykon and his army go to Gerard while the OOTS with the help of....an army they got for some reasons (lets admit it, the OOTS stand no chance alone either) get to Gerard gate two days after them (the ritual is supposed to take weeks anyway) in the battle, the gate is destroyed for some reasons so they rush to Kraagor gate...and by the time they get there, Nale as finished the ritual on Kraagor gate.

Why would Nale fight when he obviously doesnt have to? Hell, the reasons they left AC is because they were too many players involved.

[Nerdanel]

Let's say the Linear Guild consists of Nale, Thog, Sabine, Pompey, and Leeky. Nale has made a semi-brilliant plan than allows the LG catch Xykon, Redcloak, and MitD by surprise outdoors without the hobgoblin army.

On the surprise round, Thog charges Xykon from the front while Nale tries to backstab, forgetting that the undead can't be backstabbed. Thog's axe fares badly against Xykon's damage reduction. Xykon loses a single hitpoint. Sabine fails to level-drain Redcloak. Leeky in dire bear form and his trees surround Team Evil, failing to do any damage to Xykon and MitD but getting one good hit at Redcloak. Pompey summons centipedes for a good measure.

Xykon takes to the sky and casts a fireball at Thog, Nale, and the trees, all of which survive. One of Pompey's centipedes is caught in the blast and dies. Thinking quickly, Redcloak disintegrates Leeky, the most dangerous person in the Linear Guild. Leeky fails his fortitude save and is turned to dust. Sabine gets a level-drain attack in at Redcloak, but it turns out that he is immune to it. Apparently that is one of the powers of the Crimson Mantle. Thog charges at MitD and fails to do any damage, while MitD stares dumbly. Pompey summons utterly ineffective fiendish hawks to get at Xykon.

Xykon is getting annoyed and casts meteor swarm. Nale dies of a direct hit and Pompey's few hitpoints prove fatal when he is caught in the blast area of one of the meteors. All of Leeky's trees are still alive, having been warded against fire. Redcloak gets mildly singed by Xykon's careless targetting and casts Harm at one of the trees, killing it. Sabine turns to flight. MitD swats Thog.

Xykon tries lightning, but the surviving trees are immune to that too. Redcloak heals himself back to full. Thog fails to run away from his new "playmate".

Xykon hits the fleeing Sabine with lightning, doing severe damage but failing to kill her. Redcloak kills another tree. MitD appears to have forgotten about the whole battle. Thog is incapable of doing anything.

Sabine swoops down to use the cover of trees while fleeing, but not before Xykon's finger of death finisher her off. Xykon and Redcloak mop up the remaining creatures. The end.

[Kurald Galain]

Redcloak would duel with Sabine, probably about equally matched.

Er, no. Sabine got defeated by Haley. Haley got defeated by Miko. And Miko is about equally matched with Redcloak.

The linear guild has a few problems:
* Pompey is completely ineffective, being around level five and all that
* Nale is too multi-classed, which means he is neither a good fighter nor a good spellcaster
* Thog is strong but lacks mobility, the common hazard of a high-level melee warrior
* Yikyik (and assumedly, Yokyok) has the same mobility problem and is not nearly as strong as Thog.
* Leeky is without doubt the Guild's strongest member, and if anyone would be a match for Redcloak, it'd be him. He's still no match for Xykon, though.
* Sabine has not been very effective in combat so far, except when buffed al the way to the next century.

So I'd imagine two battles simultaneously: one, Redcloak vs. Leeky; and two, Xykon vs. everybody else. The MITD just doesn't get it.

Xykon opens with Wail of the Banshee...

[freeze43]

Nale/Sabine/Thog got beaten by a severely underprepared Haley, Elan- ELAN irrespective of gaining a single level in a Prestidge class,a single spell from V and the flanking bonus from a dwarf.

The group they fought was half of Oots, who has two combat specialists who were not involved.

The entirety of Oots got their *** handed to them by Miko, twice. She was slightly stronger than Redcloak who is almost definitely the weakest of Redcloak/Xykon/MITD. Miko then got easily forecaged by Xykon and sent with an Awesome Blow times a million from a tiny tap from MITD.

So=

Linear Guild>>>Oots>Redcloak>Miko>>>>Xykon?MITD

Linear Guild loses. Hard.
Theoretically with the extras who have died/ left they could stand a good chance against Redcloak alone.

[factotum]

* Leeky is without doubt the Guild's strongest member, and if anyone would be a match for Redcloak, it'd be him. He's still no match for Xykon, though.


Durkon on his own managed to beat Leeky in his Dire Bear form. We know Durkon is no match for Redcloak, so Leeky wouldn't be, either.

[Deuce]

I think if Thog could get in to melee with Xykon, the lich may be in some trouble. He's got damage reduction, but Thog has this. (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0121.html) (OK, the damage is a joke, but with the right buffs, he still might punch through pretty well.) Sabine vs. Red Cloak may boil down to Energy Drain vs. the Crimson Mantle. Drop the cleric enough levels, and he's a lot less of a problem. MitD is the real wild card. About the only thing in the strip I think he'd have a problem with is the Snarl. But if MitD's will saves are as bad as his demonstrated wisdom indicates, Nale could pull off some sort of mind control.

Like most theory fights, it comes down to who has the intel and the initiative. If the Linear's know what they are up against, and get the drop on Team Evil, it could be interesting. Without both advantages (or some more members along the power scale of Leaky) they'd be a low-end random encounter.

[Querzis]

Durkon on his own managed to beat Leeky in his Dire Bear form. We know Durkon is no match for Redcloak, so Leeky wouldn't be, either.

...and why do we know that? Am I the only one who actually read the fight between Miko and the OOTS the giant posted on the forum? It was pretty much just Roy vs Miko, everyone else was totally useless and Durkon did almost nothing. If Roy would have had that +5 greatsword back then, he would have definitly won, a fighter with his prefered weapons is a lot stronger then one with a stupid club. So Roy is pretty much as strong as Miko (and Redcloak) and I'm pretty damn sure Durkon is stronger then Roy. In a fight between two clerics, I vote for the one who can actually do melee combat, Redcloak doesnt even have a freaking weapon.

You guys are really overestimating Redcloak. There is no way the LG are gonna win against Xykon but, even if Xykon would be there, they could very easely kill Redcloak before they get killed by Xykon. The big problem with Xykon is his damage reduction, low-level adventurers could hit him all day and he woudnt notice but you definitly cant say the same thing about Redcloak.

[Green Bean]

Sabine vs. Red Cloak may boil down to Energy Drain vs. the Crimson Mantle. Drop the cleric enough levels, and he's a lot less of a problem.

I think you overestimate Sabine's capabilities, especially when there's a fourth level Cleric spell that renders him totally immune to energy drain. Sabine loses to Haley, and Redcloak is a higher level, not even to mention that he's a full caster.

[Kish]

...and why do we know that? Am I the only one who actually read the fight between Miko and the OOTS the giant posted on the forum? It was pretty much just Roy vs Miko, everyone else was totally useless and Durkon did almost nothing.
Everyone else was as close to useless as they were because Miko prioritized taking out Roy last. Even if Elan, Haley, Belkar, and Vaarsuvius couldn't have done anything to her if they'd stayed up long enough, which I don't grant, absorbing attacks Miko would have directed at Roy if he had been alone is something. Who would have won if Miko with her paladin class had fought Roy with his +5 green energy greatsword...is something we'll never know.

[Bubbles]

Given most circumstances I would have to agree that Team Evil would win hands down...unless...

Unless there happened to be protective wards of the same nature as those protecting Dorukan's gate conveniently located near by, like say at one of the next gates. Then Linear Guild might have the same chance of driving off Team Evil that the Order did the first time. If Nale simply got Thog to believe Xykon were directly responsible for a lack of ice cream and hated puppies. The resulting murderous rage just might be Xykon's ticket to another ride into arcane wards. Xykon would need to regenratea gain and the rest of Team Evil would retreat....unless...

Unless it were the last gate and last hope to accomplish their dark goals. In which case, Redcloak might press on anyway.


All not very likely, but that's hwat wild speculation is for! ^.^

[shakes019]

Thog could do some damage with his greataxe, but no one in the LG has a magic bludgeoning weapon, which is the only thing that can completely bypass Xykon's DR. So it becomes necessary to do at least 15 damage per hit before X takes anything.

Assuming that Thog is 10th level, and has a strength of 20, he should be doing a minimum of 19 damage per hit. (1d12+10BAB, +3 magic (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0347.html), +5 STR).

[Ancalagon]

Let's assume LG is around the Level of OotS (and we know that Pompey was a lowbie!).
Redcloak is level 15, Xykon epic and the CitD is... useless (powerful indeed, but that equals to 0 since it is also totally useless).

What would happen:
Xykon gets popcorn and lets redloak fight until redcloak is defeated, then Xykon just smashes the LG and is done. He has some 8 levels more than them. There won't be even something you could call "fight".

[AKA_Bait]

I think if Thog could get in to melee with Xykon, the lich may be in some trouble. He's got damage reduction, but Thog has this. (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0121.html) (OK, the damage is a joke, but with the right buffs, he still might punch through pretty well.)

Two words: Overland Flight.

Sorry Thog.


Sabine vs. Red Cloak may boil down to Energy Drain vs. the Crimson Mantle. Drop the cleric enough levels, and he's a lot less of a problem.

Nope. Sabine vs. Red Cloak boils down to Red Cloak casting Dismissal, Disentigrate, Dictum (if Sabine is not lawful, which if a succubus she is not), hold monster, etc. Oh, and Antilife shell just to make sure she can't get close to touch him.

Even if Sabine gets in enough to drop Redcloak a few levels he can retreat, cast antilife shell, restore himself, then proceed with the slaughter.


MitD is the real wild card. About the only thing in the strip I think he'd have a problem with is the Snarl. But if MitD's will saves are as bad as his demonstrated wisdom indicates, Nale could pull off some sort of mind control.

If the MitD was not immune to it, didn't have good saves just on the basis of racial hit dice, and Xykon, Redcloak or little miss mystic thuerge didn't dispell whaterver charm he cast right away.


Like most theory fights, it comes down to who has the intel and the initiative. If the Linear's know what they are up against, and get the drop on Team Evil, it could be interesting. Without both advantages (or some more members along the power scale of Leaky) they'd be a low-end random encounter.

Even with them I think they would be a low end random encounter. There's a reason they were cut rate mercenaries to Xykon.

[Tempest Fennac]

Regarding the Durkon vs. Leeky fight, while Durkon seemed to have an advantage against Leeky's Dire bear form thanks to Thor's Might, isn't there a chance that he would have lost a 1-on-1 fight if everyone else hadn't arrived? I know it wouldn't really be 1-on-1, but Leeky would be able to use Summon Nature's Ally while using Dire Bear form again to kill Durkon (we'e never seen Durkon use any Summon Monster spells for some reason, and he only seems to be able to use Thor's Might once per day while Leeky can Wild Shape at least 4 times judging by how he seems to be on at least level 14 or 15.
If Durkon did fight Redcloak, I think RC would win if Durkon didn't have Thor's Might thanks to the destructive spells while RC tends to store (Durkon's never used Harm or any sunnden death spells, so it can be assumed that he doesn't store that sort of magic, which would be more useful then hand-to-hand combat proficiency unless Durkon could use an anti-magic field).

[GrayMatter]

Durkon on his own managed to beat Leeky in his Dire Bear form. We know Durkon is no match for Redcloak, so Leeky wouldn't be, either.

Umm, how do we know Durkon isn't a match for Redcloak? I know RC won against the AC's High Priest, but I'm not sure where Durkon places. He's been alive and around a long enough time to have some cool spells tho, with Thor's Might being a very good equalizer.

Edit: almost forgot one point- Durkon's god is a god of battle, unlike the AC's pantheon. So there's going to be a lot more involved in his fights than "made my saving throw".

[GrayMatter]

The entirety of Oots got their *** handed to them by Miko, twice.

Except Durkon. He never fought Miko at all. Not being a D&D'r, I can't figure out what level he's at, or how powerful he is. But I'd bet on a fully prepped OOTS with Durkon's full participation against most anything.

[Lord_Drayakir]

The only problem with the LG is that they are severely lacking in arcane power. Their Drow wizard was armed with scimitars, and their second wizard was a frickin' student. I mean Vaarsuvius had a pretty easy time taking out... Belkar, Elan, and Thog all in a sequence of four strips. Comics... whatever.

Anyway, the point I'm making is that if the LG had a decently competent wizard/sorcerer, they would fare better against the OOTS.

Now as for Xykon and Co., they have no chance. The only way I see it happening is if they managed to get a spellcaster, with a scroll of Imprisonment, cast it on Xykon, hope it works, and then team up on RC.

As for the MitD, who knows? I don't really think they would be able to hit it, but it probably could be distracted with a truck full of toys or something.

[FujinAkari]

:sabine: Hey there tall dark and scaley... why don't you come over here and take a load off from the battle?
:redcloak: Know one of the few advantages of working with a Lich?
:sabine: Hmmmm?
:redcloak: You already have plenty of Harms prepared!
:sabine: YEOWL!

[Alfryd]

If the Linear guild and Xycon's group fought...
How do you think the scenario would play out?
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAAAA!
*sighs*
*sniffs*
Oh, boy. Seriously though.

I'll give the LG roughly 15 seconds in the ring, mainly because Xykon will spend the first round or two wondering why they seem strangely familiar. Then he'll kill whoever's left standing by some uniquely unpleasant combination of horrifying disfigurement.

The Linear Guild are essentially black comic relief. Xykon is the most powerful spellcaster currently inhabiting the planet. 'Nuf said.

[Ramos]

:xykon: casts Celerity then casts two Meteor Swarms in a row. Linear guild takes 40d6 fire damage plus Thog takes 24d6 crushing damage. :redcloak: follows up with a Firestorm. Xykon has a save DC of 30+ for 9th level spells. Redcloak has a DC of 22+ for 7th level spells. Most probably only Nale would make the reflex saves and only half the time. That's an average of 280 damage for Thog, 150 damage for Nale and about 100 for Sabine, given her fire resistance. Thog and Nale die. Sabine might die-but she might not. Ofcourse, Sabine can't even touch Xykon and Redcloak simply casts a disintegrate on her and she dies.

[Purple Cloak]

by my thinking, the LG dosnt realy stand a chance against the OotS in a straight fight, and the OotS dosnt appear to be powerful enough to take on the MitD, possably not even redcloak or Xykon,

although perhaps redcloak if he was on his own and they were together

but as such i think that the liniar guild, unless they came up with some outstandingly briliant plan, wouldnt last very long,

although sabines DR, and possably elemental resistances (succibi get them, not sure about erines) might mean she would last a bit longer

[Tempest Fennac]

Regarding Durkon's level, the fact that he could use a Weather Control scroll suggess that he in on Level 13 (it's a 7th Level spell).

[Randel]

If Nale somehow managed to get the MiTD to join the Linear Guild (possibly as an evil opposite of V since he's dumb, strong, and has a mystery tied to him) and then managed to convince him to deal damage to Xykon and Redcloak (either by actually telling him to attack them, saying "go play pattycake with Redcloak!", or just "Jump up and down a lot while Sabine carries me out of the general vicinity.") he might be able pull off a victory.

It would require a natural 20 diplomacy/bluff check, perhaps a charm monster spell, and epic-level use of the profession(gourmet chef) skill (provided by a new evil opposite of Belkar) but it could work... well, not THAT tough but doing all that would help significantly.


Unless Xykon casts overland flight when he sees something is up, in which case LG is toast unless they run for it. Though if MiTD hits Redcloak he might destroy Xykon's phylactery in the process which would be a pretty big loss for Team Evil.

[Kish]

Regarding Durkon's level, the fact that he could use a Weather Control scroll suggess that he in on Level 13 (it's a 7th Level spell).
He used a scroll for that. However, if he's not at least level 13 then he's lower level than Vaarsuvius, which I doubt.

[Balgus]

Unless Xykon casts overland flight when he sees something is up, in which case LG is toast unless they run for it. Though if MiTD hits Redcloak he might destroy Xykon's phylactery in the process which would be a pretty big loss for Team Evil.t's not a matter of Xykon being able to defeat the LG - but Redcloak gettign Xykon to be fully useful. After the attack of Azure City, we can all agree that Redcloak single handedly won that war. From the three clones to taking down their greatest cleric. Since all the pallis were in the throne room, Redcloak could have sacked the city and lay siege on the throne and starve them out... which is hard since they have heals and spell-abilities

[picklepenguin]

So, if the two groups were to end up in a conflict, either planned out and instigated by one, or in a knock down fight, how do you think it would go?"

Unless Nale has some awesome and perfect plan, I think they'd be demolished. Xykon is an epic level mage, and Redcloak isn't bad either. They might get a few good hits on Redcloak before being killed, but thats it.

[Antamar]

Xykon and Redcloak would teleport to a nearby hillside, grab some popcorn, and laugh while the Linear Guild attempts to harm the MitD in any meaningful way.

Then they just wait for the Linear Guild to die of old age.

After this time has elapsed, Redcloak has also died of old age, and yet Sabine is still alive because she is an outsider, and thus presumably immortal. Xykon, however, being undead and having lich damage reduction, is effectively immune to Sabine entirely. He spends the next several decades poking her until her skins wears away, and she dies.

(SoD spoiler below)

Actually, because of the Crimson Mantle, Redcloak would not die because he has at least double the life span of a normal goblin.

Now, I think Nale is at least smart enough to be able to get a surprise round on Xykon and Mitd if they waited until Redcloak left the room for something (a very plausible scenario). In the surprise round, Thog would charge Xykon, probably doing enough points of damage to inflict some damage to Xykon, followed by Nale and Sabine trying to Sneak Attack Xykon (forgetting that you can't sneak attack undead).

Round 1:
Based on info from the strip, likely initiative order is: Sabine, Nale, Redcloak, Xykon, Thog, Mitd. Sabine tries to Energy Drain Xykon and accidently gives him a few temporary hit points. Nale tries to attack Xykon, but can't overcome his damage reduction. Redcloak, hearing the commotion, starts positioning himself to get a spell off. He casts Disintegrate and hits Nale, turning him into a pile of ashes. Xykon casts Meteor swarm at Sabine and Thog, both of them are pretty hurt. Thog goes into a Rage and full attacks Xykon, doing about 15-20 points of damage. Mitd mumbles something about being ignored.

Round 2:
Sabine flies over to Redcloak and Energy Drains him, bringing him down to 11th-ish level. Nale is dead. Redcloak casts Slay living, Sabine fails on Fort save and dies. Xykon finishes Thog off with a Magic Missile.

Above description was being generous to the Linear Guild as far as damage and Hit Die rolls go.

[Sir Conkey]

What about Tsukiko? Knowing Nale and her hate for RC/Xykon he may be able to win her over for a surprise attack. Plus Nale is probably going to recruit other powerful people to do his bidding (as he seems good at doing) so this fight may be more even than 3 against like 5 LG members

[Lord]

:sabine: Hey there tall dark and scaley... why don't you come over here and take a load off from the battle?
:redcloak: Know one of the few advantages of working with a Lich?
:sabine: Hmmmm?
:redcloak: You already have plenty of Harms prepared!
:sabine: YEOWL!

I... don't get it.

[Kurald Galain]

I... don't get it.

Well, there's friendly contact with an evil outsider, and then there's friendly contact with an evil outsider. Wink wink, nudge nudge, say no more!

[the_tick_rules]

since LG currently seems to consist only of nale, sabine, and thog no way they'd win.