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Thurbane
2021-04-25, 06:20 PM
So, some creatures get rider effects that apply on slams.

Just wondering what some ways to get extra slams might be.

Assume this is for monsters/NPCs, so things like LA don't matter.

Obviously, haste, belt of battle or other methods of getting extra attacks should work.

Renegade Mastermaker gets a Battlefist which is a slam that gets to use iterative attacks. Humanoid is an entry requirement, though.

A Swanmay can turn into a swan, that gets two slam attacks. Not sure if you retain your special attacks in swan form, though?

There is a general guideline that large or larger humanoid-shaped creature with slam attacks get two, rather than one. Not entirely clear if a medium creature with a slam automatically gets two slams if it increases it's size though.

3.5 only please, no PF or home brew. Prefer non-magazine material, but willing to look at Dragon and Dungeon mag options.

Cheers - T

Troacctid
2021-04-25, 06:48 PM
Well there is of course the Second Slam feat.

Thurbane
2021-04-25, 08:23 PM
Well there is of course the Second Slam feat.

Ooh, was completely unaware of that, thank you! Shame it's warforged only, though...

MaxiDuRaritry
2021-04-25, 08:45 PM
The Improved Unarmed Strike + Beast Strike combo allows you to add slam damage to your unarmed strikes, giving you potentially a LOT of extra slammage.

Full BAB + the TWF line + Circle Kick + Roundabout Kick + (Great) Cleave + Lightning Mace (and Aptitude) + Snap Kick + etc etc etc can net you potentially dozens of unarmed strikes and slam damage per round.

Remuko
2021-04-25, 09:08 PM
The Improved Unarmed Strike + Beast Strike combo allows you to add slam damage to your unarmed strikes, giving you potentially a LOT of extra slammage.

Full BAB + the TWF line + Circle Kick + Roundabout Kick + (Great) Cleave + Lightning Mace (and Aptitude) + Snap Kick + etc etc etc can net you potentially dozens of unarmed strikes and slam damage per round.

i think hes looking for extra slams for extra rider applications/application attempts, not damage.

MaxiDuRaritry
2021-04-25, 09:19 PM
i think hes looking for extra slams for extra rider applications/application attempts, not damage.Well, it depends on what rider effects he's wanting. If he's got +6d6 fire damage added to his beast strike damage, that should be included in the unarmed strike + beast strike damage since it's part of the latter.

The Viscount
2021-04-25, 09:37 PM
For the right creature types, Rapidstrike and Improved Rapidstrike give additional slams, so long as the creature starts with a pair.

Binding the Astral Vambraces to your hands chakra gives you 2 slams, though not exactly clear what happens if you do this with a creature that already has slams.

PoeticallyPsyco
2021-04-25, 09:59 PM
For the right creature types, Rapidstrike and Improved Rapidstrike give additional slams, so long as the creature starts with a pair.

Binding the Astral Vambraces to your hands chakra gives you 2 slams, though not exactly clear what happens if you do this with a creature that already has slams.

IIRC, the precedent is that a single slam can be performed with any part of the body (and thus doesn't interfere with wielding a weapon), while two slams are done with the hands specifically. So I think it would just add two new slams to the attack routine, but you'd lose the ability to use most manufactured weapons as part of it while doing so.

Blue Jay
2021-04-26, 02:21 PM
There is a template from Dungeon #136 called "Obah-blessed" that gives extra arms, and also grants an extra slam or claw for each additional arm.

It doesn't have any creature-type prerequisites, but the base creature has to have arms.

Falontani
2021-04-26, 03:09 PM
Many of the Undead Grafts grant a slam attack as well.

Mighty Arms Construct Graft from Faiths of Eberron are extremely cheap at 1k market value for a slam attack, and explicitly allow you to wear a Warforged Battlefist which allows you to enchant your natural slam attack and boost the base damage to 1d8. It is only slightly more expensive than a +1 weapon as well.

tiercel
2021-04-27, 02:56 AM
Stone Form (RoS) allows its user to “gain a slam attack,” but it is a [Wild] feat, so that is potentially limiting.