A couple weird PrC caster questions

[schreier]

If you get Rainbow Servant to 10, you gain access to the cleric spell list. Any spells you gain not on the sorcerer/wizard or bard lists through this are cast as divine. This qualifies you for prestige classes that require divine spellcasting (for example, Contemplative). Many of those classes increase divine spellcasting caster levels. If you are a wizard/rainbow servant/contemplative, does the +1 divine spellcasting have any effect for you? My guess is no, but asking for other's viewpoints.

Second question is Nightmaster Spinner or Specialist Wizard. If you are in an epic campaign and take Improved Spell Capacity, do 10th+ level spell levels gain +1 for specialist or spinner? Domain wizard seems to be no, since there are no 10th+ level domain spells.

[nedz]

Rainbow servant has several well known exploits. This is the, lesser known, third exploit — though usually served with some variety of Theurge Gouda.

The usual interpretation is that you are both an arcane and a divine caster so yes — but please run this past your DM first.

[Beni-Kujaku]

If you get Rainbow Servant to 10, you gain access to the cleric spell list. Any spells you gain not on the sorcerer/wizard or bard lists through this are cast as divine. This qualifies you for prestige classes that require divine spellcasting (for example, Contemplative). Many of those classes increase divine spellcasting caster levels. If you are a wizard/rainbow servant/contemplative, does the +1 divine spellcasting have any effect for you? My guess is no, but asking for other's viewpoints.

Second question is Nightmaster Spinner or Specialist Wizard. If you are in an epic campaign and take Improved Spell Capacity, do 10th+ level spell levels gain +1 for specialist or spinner? Domain wizard seems to be no, since there are no 10th+ level domain spells.

For the 10+ levels, I don't see why not. The feat explicitly says it allows for bonus spells (it only says due to a high ability score, but I see nothing against having a bonus spell from a specialist school). Even domain wizard would benefit from it, since the ACF says that you can fill these spell slots with low-level spells improved by metamagic.

[schreier]

Rainbow servant has several well known exploits. This is the, lesser known, third exploit — though usually served with some variety of Theurge Gouda.

The usual interpretation is that you are both an arcane and a divine caster so yes — but please run this past your DM first.

That makes sense - I went back and forth. I think in prior discussions, people said it didn't qualify, but I see it as both a divine and arcane spellcasting class after level 10 so I agree with you but will confirm. Thanks


For the 10+ levels, I don't see why not. The feat explicitly says it allows for bonus spells (it only says due to a high ability score, but I see nothing against having a bonus spell from a specialist school). Even domain wizard would benefit from it, since the ACF says that you can fill these spell slots with low-level spells improved by metamagic.

Also true - and with domain wizard, good point. I didn't think about that. Thanks!

[redking]

If you get Rainbow Servant to 10, you gain access to the cleric spell list. Any spells you gain not on the sorcerer/wizard or bard lists through this are cast as divine. This qualifies you for prestige classes that require divine spellcasting (for example, Contemplative). Many of those classes increase divine spellcasting caster levels. If you are a wizard/rainbow servant/contemplative, does the +1 divine spellcasting have any effect for you?

Yes - you benefit from prestige classes giving +1 divine spellcasting. You cannot advance your rainbow servant's base class twice in mystic theurge, however. The mystic theurge specifically calls out "other spellcasting class". You could do interesting things with eldritch theurge and eldritch disciple, for example, because your arcane baseclass counts as divine also.


Second question is Nightmaster Spinner or Specialist Wizard. If you are in an epic campaign and take Improved Spell Capacity, do 10th+ level spell levels gain +1 for specialist or spinner? Domain wizard seems to be no, since there are no 10th+ level domain spells.

You get a slot for whatever levels you are capable of casting, including 10+.

[nedz]

Yes - you benefit from prestige classes giving +1 divine spellcasting. You cannot advance your rainbow servant's base class twice in mystic theurge, however. The mystic theurge specifically calls out "other spellcasting class". You could do interesting things with eldritch theurge and eldritch disciple, for example, because your arcane baseclass counts as divine also.

It can be argued that, because RS grants you divine spellcasting, it is a divine spellcasting class — YMMV.

[redking]

It can be argued that, because RS grants you divine spellcasting, it is a divine spellcasting class — YMMV.

Yes - Rainbow Servant makes your arcane spellcasting classes divine spellcasting classes as well at 10th level. If you had 2 arcane classes, Mystic Theurge could advance both of them. If you only had one, you cannot because Mystic Theurge advances one spellcasting class and the "other spellcasting class".

[Remuko]

Yes - Rainbow Servant makes your arcane spellcasting classes divine spellcasting classes as well at 10th level. If you had 2 arcane classes, Mystic Theurge could advance both of them. If you only had one, you cannot because Mystic Theurge advances one spellcasting class and the "other spellcasting class".

Wizard Sorcerer Mystic Theurge. Oooo

[nedz]

Yes - Rainbow Servant makes your arcane spellcasting classes divine spellcasting classes as well at 10th level. If you had 2 arcane classes, Mystic Theurge could advance both of them. If you only had one, you cannot because Mystic Theurge advances one spellcasting class and the "other spellcasting class".

Nope


Spells per Day: When a new mystic theurge level is gained, the character gains new spells per day as if he had also gained a level in any one arcane spellcasting class he belonged to before he added the prestige class and any one divine spellcasting class he belonged to previously.

The wording is covering the case where you have levels in more than one arcane or more than one divine casting class.

[Remuko]

Nope



The wording is covering the case where you have levels in more than one arcane or more than one divine casting class.

i dont see how not? if you are a wiz and a sorc and a RS10 one of your arcane classes counts as a divine class (as well). so you do MT and choose Wiz(or Sorc) as your divine class, and the other as arcane, and MT advances both. I dont see how this wouldnt work?

[schreier]

I think as long as you're not trying to have mystic surge advance one class twice you're okay although the DM would be the final arbiter regarding weather or not the arcane class is considered Divine as well because of the rainbow servant

[nedz]

i dont see how not? if you are a wiz and a sorc and a RS10 one of your arcane classes counts as a divine class (as well). so you do MT and choose Wiz(or Sorc) as your divine class, and the other as arcane, and MT advances both. I dont see how this wouldnt work?
I was contesting his other point.

I think as long as you're not trying to have mystic surge advance one class twice you're okay although the DM would be the final arbiter regarding weather or not the arcane class is considered Divine as well because of the rainbow servant

RAW: you can advance one class twice — that's the cheese.
Would this fly at any reasonable table: probably not.

[Troacctid]

Advancing one class twice doesn't actually do anything, though, because it still only results in +1 level.

[nedz]

Advancing one class twice doesn't actually do anything, though, because it still only results in +1 level.

You seem to be saying that 1+1+1=2 ?

[Troacctid]

You seem to be saying that 1+1+1=2 ?
No, I'm saying 1+1=2. The text is pretty explicit about what you're adding together.

This essentially means that he adds the level of mystic theurge to the level of whatever other arcane spellcasting class and divine spellcasting class the character has, then determines spells per day and caster level accordingly.
If you have 3 levels of sha'ir and 3 levels of mystic theurge, you add those together for a total of 6, and that's your effective level for your sha'ir casting.