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No brains
2021-05-08, 09:43 PM
So some DMs play it that any cantrip can damage an object even if it normally is for creatures only. Assuming this is true, that means Firebolt loses its special place as being one of the few cantrips that can break something from across a room. Does this mean that some other cantrip might be better for these edge cases where it's good to be able to attack an object? What would you use as your semi-utility cantrip?

Stabbey
2021-05-08, 10:08 PM
For me, probably still Firebolt because it's got a very long range, which is good for if you want to stay away from enemies, or if enemies are trying to run away from you.

Catullus64
2021-05-08, 10:39 PM
If DMs are allowing saving throw cantrips to function, then perhaps acid splash, since acid seems like the most realistic choice for damaging objects, and I can't imagine many objects have great DEX saves.

strangebloke
2021-05-09, 12:01 AM
At least we can all agree that poison spray is still useless.

But for a hot take? thorn whip. Moving large sized objects is actually pretty neat utility.

Eldariel
2021-05-09, 12:53 AM
It wouldn't really change much in any direction. Tolling objects dead feels absurd but would make the De Facto strongest cantrip slightly stronger.

MaxWilson
2021-05-09, 12:57 AM
So some DMs play it that any cantrip can damage an object even if it normally is for creatures only. Assuming this is true, that means Firebolt loses its special place as being one of the few cantrips that can break something from across a room. Does this mean that some other cantrip might be better for these edge cases where it's good to be able to attack an object? What would you use as your semi-utility cantrip?

Friends on objects would be fascinating.

verbatim
2021-05-09, 02:00 AM
Alternatively, what if we could cast On-Off (https://media.wizards.com/2015/downloads/dnd/UA_ModernMagic.pdf) on not-objects?

JackPhoenix
2021-05-09, 06:42 AM
Eldritch Blast, of course.

Kane0
2021-05-09, 06:00 PM
Sword Burst, Thunderclap and Word of Radiance all hit an area so they could be pretty good at clearing space around you.

Edit: Thorn Whip, Lightning Lure and Infestation also force movement which could be handy for things beyond the capability of Mage Hand.