Could V possibly...

[yoshi927]

I found a description for the "Sequester" spell recently. Basically, it blocks all divinations and makes you invisible. What if Cloister has the same kind of effect, of blocking all divination spells?

In that case, would it be possible to duplicate "Scrying" via "Limited Wish" and then cast it as a Univ spell? Or would it still count as a divination?

[*Templar*]

I found a description for the "Sequester" spell recently. Basically, it blocks all divinations and makes you invisible. What if Cloister has the same kind of effect, of blocking all divination spells?


I think the general consensus is that Cloister is an uber-powered, somewhat modified version of Sequester.

[Jasdoif]

Using limited wish (or wish, for that matter) in such a fashion duplicates the intended spell, although the effective spell level (or at the very least any save DC) is that of (limited) wish. A duplicated scrying would still be a divination effect.

[bluish_wolf]

If you had limited wish, you could possibly wish that the spell blocking his/her divinations be dispelled and then cast scrying before they get a chance to cast it again.

But I don't think V is high enough level to do that. It's a 7th level spell.

[factotum]

But I don't think V is high enough level to do that. It's a 7th level spell.

V has to be at least level 13--he cast some Mass spells on 13 warriors at the breach in Azure City. Therefore he can cast 7th level spells.

[Setra]

Whether or not he has Limited Wish in his spell book on the other hand...

[leo_neil316]

I would have thought a better example of V being able to cast seventh level spells would be http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0306.html myself. Doesn't seem like the type to waste book space on things s/he can't cast.

As for knowing limited wish..... isn't the description of the wish spells basically 'Unlimited arcane power r us'?

[Kish]

An actual Wish might break through Cloister. Limited Wish I'd expect to bounce right off it.

[Sampi]

V has to be at least level 13--he cast some Mass spells on 13 warriors at the breach in Azure City. Therefore he can cast 7th level spells.

Mass Bull's Strength, Mass Bear's Endurance and Mass Enlarge Person. Levels 6,6,and 5. However, the Grasping Hand hse uses in the same strip
(http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0427.html) is in fact a seventh level evocation.

Edit: right. 13 recipients. Well, missed your point at first.

[Craig1f]

Mass Bull's Strength, Mass Bear's Endurance and Mass Enlarge Person. Levels 6,6,and 5. However, the Grasping Hand hse uses in the same strip
(http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0427.html) is in fact a seventh level evocation.

Edit: right. 13 recipients. Well, missed your point at first.


Enlarge Person is such a disappointing spell though. You trade an attack point for a point of strength and some penalties to AC. So you're doing an extra point of damage, MAYBE two if you are using a two-handed weapon and it bumps you up to an even numbered strength modifier. It's only really good if you're grappling something.

That was a little off-topic, I know.

[Jasdoif]

Enlarge Person is such a disappointing spell though. You trade an attack point for a point of strength and some penalties to AC. So you're doing an extra point of damage, MAYBE two if you are using a two-handed weapon and it bumps you up to an even numbered strength modifier. It's only really good if you're grappling something.

That was a little off-topic, I know.Increased reach is the real use of the spell.

[Hannes]

Enlarge Person is such a disappointing spell though. You trade an attack point for a point of strength and some penalties to AC. So you're doing an extra point of damage, MAYBE two if you are using a two-handed weapon and it bumps you up to an even numbered strength modifier. It's only really good if you're grappling something.


Depending on the weapon, you might get even more. And it's not disappointing. You get reach!

[Occasional Sage]

Enlarge Person is such a disappointing spell though. You trade an attack point for a point of strength and some penalties to AC. So you're doing an extra point of damage, MAYBE two if you are using a two-handed weapon and it bumps you up to an even numbered strength modifier. It's only really good if you're grappling something.

That was a little off-topic, I know.

In the context it was a brilliant move for him to make.

The lost to-hit from the spell is offset by the bonus to strength, and the AC penalty is in this case made up for by what appears to be cover from the wall. Add that the the extra reach for being a large combatant, and she made a GREAT call. Had he been a lower level and only able to affect a dozen it would still be smart, though, so likely you're right and this is off-topic. :smallredface:

[Kronno]

Under the circumstances, I feel sorry for V, his options are pretty limited in these circumstances, in fact this scenario is practically built to unsolvable by V:smallfrown: :

Problem 1: Divination of up to at least 7th level is useless due to the cloister spell (I think it's a safe bet that V's Enhanced scrying would be the highest level he knew).

Problem 2: Conjuration and Necromancy are Prohibited schools for V; this rules out using Planar binding to summon an outsider who either knows or can gather the information, and using necromancy spells in a similar way to get help from a spirit or a ghost.

The only solution I can see is for V to develop a more powerful variant/combination of the spells Whispering Wind (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/whisperingWind.htm) and Message (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/message.htm). They are transmutation spells, so they might get past Cloister. he needs to create a spell that will carry a message on the wind to a desired person, rather than a desired location, and then carry a response back. Does anyone know of a reason why this wouldn't work or wouldn't be possible? I rarely play casters so i don't know the rules for inventing magical spells.

[Lukahatt]

I'm not a D&D player, so I'm not sure about this... But if Vaarsuvius HAD access to Wish/Limited Wish, instead of "I wish that my scrying spells become imune to this effect that is blocking them", wouldn't it be more... practical simply to say "I wish that they just pop here by my side, now" ?

[Jasdoif]

The only solution I can see is for V to develop a more powerful variant/combination of the spells Whispering Wind (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/whisperingWind.htm) and Message (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/message.htm). They are transmutation spells, so they might get past Cloister. he needs to create a spell that will carry a message on the wind to a desired person, rather than a desired location, and then carry a response back. Does anyone know of a reason why this wouldn't work or wouldn't be possible? I rarely play casters so i don't know the rules for inventing magical spells.The rules for developing non-epic spells amount to little more then "does the DM allow it?" (Epic spells have half-baked numeric rules in the middle, but still fall under "does the DM allow it?")

Personally, I think what you're looking at, while assuredly resourceful, is outside reasonable bounds in this situation. Simple use of sending (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/sending.htm), on the other hand....


I'm not a D&D player, so I'm not sure about this... But if Vaarsuvius HAD access to Wish/Limited Wish, instead of "I wish that my scrying spells become imune to this effect that is blocking them", wouldn't it be more... practical simply to say "I wish that they just pop here by my side, now" ?That would be easily acceptable for a wish spell (more so then wishing for your spells to be immune to particular effects)...although that's beyond V's ability at present.

Limited wish has no such abilities, however.

[Maratanos]

I'm not a D&D player, so I'm not sure about this... But if Vaarsuvius HAD access to Wish/Limited Wish, instead of "I wish that my scrying spells become imune to this effect that is blocking them", wouldn't it be more... practical simply to say "I wish that they just pop here by my side, now" ?

Wish can't do anything.

Well, reliably. It can theoretically do anything the DM lets to happen. It usually DOES do whatever the DM wants (usually quite cruelly), unless the wish is modest.

EDIT: No, I'm wrong. V could, theoretically, do that with WISH. But not limited wish. Which is what he/she could cast.

[SoD]

Enlarge Person is such a disappointing spell though. You trade an attack point for a point of strength and some penalties to AC. So you're doing an extra point of damage, MAYBE two if you are using a two-handed weapon and it bumps you up to an even numbered strength modifier. It's only really good if you're grappling something.

That was a little off-topic, I know.

You get -1 to hit, but +4 to strength, which gives a total of +1 to hit, +1 damage (average, not accounting for double handed or off handed weapons or anything), -1 to AC, and 10 foot reach. Sounds fine to me.

Not brilliant at later levels, but at low levels, this can give a real advantage.

[Kronno]

Personally, I think what you're looking at, while assuredly resourceful, is outside reasonable bounds in this situation. Simple use of sending (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/sending.htm), on the other hand....


Heh, Good point, i hadn't thought about sending (I assumed it was one way communication only).

Although upon further thought, I have another question: Why on earth (or in Celestia:smallwink:) hasn't Durkon cast Some version of planar ally to find out about Haley and Belkar (or for that matter about the gates if that's his priority)?!:smallconfused: After all, a lantern archon (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/archon.htm)could fly over, look around, and teleport back no problem.

[Jasdoif]

Although upon further thought, I have another question: Why on earth (or in Celestia:smallwink:) hasn't Durkon cast Some version of planar ally to find out about Haley and Belkar (or for that matter about the gates if that's his priority)?!:smallconfused: After all, a lantern archon (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/archon.htm)could fly over, look around, and teleport back no problem.Well...It'd have to find them first. And survive the search. Azure City is a big place, and happens to be occupied by a mass of hobgoblins. I can only guess archons aren't suicidal :smalltongue:

And this assumes that the cloister effect doesn't block teleportation as well; a spell named after a place of privacy might prevent uninvited guests as well as uninvited viewing.

[Craig1f]

You get -1 to hit, but +4 to strength, which gives a total of +1 to hit, +1 damage (average, not accounting for double handed or off handed weapons or anything), -1 to AC, and 10 foot reach. Sounds fine to me.

Not brilliant at later levels, but at low levels, this can give a real advantage.

Ah, I thought it was +2 to strength, and I hadn't thought about the reach. I'm fairly new to playing, and still trying to figure out these hundreds of spells.

[Chronos]

Ah, I thought it was +2 to strength,You were right (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/enlargePerson.htm). SoD might be thinking of the cleric spell Righteous Might, which does give +4 Str (among other effects).

Vaarsuvius and Durkon presumably already tried Sending on the very first day after the battle (since it enables two-way communication, not just observation), and it presumably failed. Since Sending is (for some inexplicable reason) Evocation, this means that other schools are blocked by the Cloister as well.

[Setra]

I wonder if Teleport would be blocked..

Not like V can cast it, but just curious.

There has to be something they could use...

What about Wind Walk?

[vegetalss4]

You get -1 to hit, but +4 to strength, which gives a total of +1 to hit, +1 damage (average, not accounting for double handed or off handed weapons or anything), -1 to AC, and 10 foot reach. Sounds fine to me.

Not brilliant at later levels, but at low levels, this can give a real advantage.

it is only +2 strength.
but you forgot something. the weapon do also get larger wich means more damege

[geekyhedgehog]

I actually prefer Reduce Person, siince my main spellcaster is a Halfling Rogue:

Weapon Damage sucks anyway
So does Strength
Sneak Attack the same
+2 AC (1 DEX, and 1 size)
+4 Hide (again)
no change on Attack, since +1 size balances -1 STR
Same speed

Awesomeness!!!

[Tyrrell]

Sending is a fifth(?) level evocation. V could use it to contact Haley.

http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0337.html

Heck it's forth level for clerics. there's no reason that Durkon shouldn't have used it, he doesn't need to have it in his spell book.

[chibibar]

V have Wish :) but can V cast it is a different story.

[David Argall]

Sending is a fifth(?) level evocation. V could use it to contact Haley.

http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0337.html

Heck it's forth level for clerics. there's no reason that Durkon shouldn't have used it, he doesn't need to have it in his spell book.

We presume this spell has been cast scores of times already, with no result, presumably due to Cloister being some epic level spell.

[ysp]

It seems that the cloister doesn't block only divinations spells otherwise sending would work, it was the original plan.
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0484.html (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0484.html)

(also proof V's male "and Vaarsuvius too-as soon as he's able")

[EmperorSarda]

(also proof V's male "and Vaarsuvius too-as soon as he's able")

Or it just shows us that Haley believes V to be a guy. Off topic though.

[Nethiel]

(also proof V's male "and Vaarsuvius too-as soon as he's able")

Actually, grammatically Haley is referring to Durkon. The comment about V is an add in. The sentence would normally read "Durkon knows the plan. He'll contact us magically as soon as he's able."

Unfortunately, that means that we still get to keep guessing V's real gender.

Oddly, until I discovered there was a debate on the forums ... I always assumed V was female (from V & Haley sharing rooms).

Smiles, Nethiel

[MCerberus]

Also don't forget in cases of mixed/questionable gender the masculine form is generally the one that's used... so even if people say "him" talking about V it means nothing... Like earlier when V was referred to as "V man".

[darkriku2000]

way i see it, xykon probably has a barrier on that tougher then school internet smart filters (believe me, those things are tough to crack)