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Tarmor

2021-07-17, 11:42 PM

Welcome to another thread of Random Banter. A place for comments rarely of any particular aim or purpose but whatever comes to mind. Be friendly, be relaxed and above all have fun!

Amotis' Random Banter #1 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13484)
Dhavaer's Random Banter #2 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13401)
PhoeKun's Random Banter #3 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13319)
Rei Jin's Random Banter #4 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13205)
Toxic Avenger's Random Banter #5 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13146)
Jibar's Random Banter #6 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13026)
Ego Slayer's Surrogate Random Banter #7 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12939)
Sneak's Random Barroom Brawl #8 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12918)
Sophistemon's Solemnly Random Banter #9 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12855)
Vaynor's Very Random Banter #10 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12834)
Bookman's Blathering Random Banter #11 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12809)
Gralamin's Glorious Random Banter #12 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12785)
Rilik's Resplendently Random Raillery #13 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12766)
Gezina's Growling Grazing Random Banter #14 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12747)
The Zerglings Utterly And Geeky Random Banter #15 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12740)
jaqueses Truthfully Randomly Fireside Banter # 16 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12735)
Jack Squat’s Jubilantly Quixotic Random Banter #17 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12693)
Cardel's Banter of Cookie Jubilation #18 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12668)
Archonic's Chaotically Random Banter of Rods #19 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12657)
The Rod's Inanimate Temple of RANDOM banter #20 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12638)
Lucky’s Loquaciously Loud-Mouthed Random Banter#21 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12630)
Deckmaster's Divinely Delightful Random Banter #22 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12614)
Saithis' Soliloquy of Random Banter #23 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12598)
Loveable Lianae's Ludicrous Lampooning Lottery #24 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12578)
NEO|Phyte's Neolithic Nest of Weasel Banter #25 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12544)
Target's Random Banter of "non-violence" #26 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12533)
Tarnag40k's Random banter of "grammar errors" #27 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12515)
Kyrian's Random Banter of ADHDness #28 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12507)
El Jaspero's Random Drunken Ramblings #29 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12503)
Boss Smiley's Eloquently Eggy Banter #30 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12494)
Lykan's Looney Explosionarama & Random Banter #31 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12482)
Iames's Iambic Yarn of Yammering #32 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12468)
Dispozition's Deviously Distressed Banter #33 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12458)
CP's Copiously Combusting Banter of Carnage #34 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12445)
Alarra's Altar of Random Banter #35 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12432)
Eloquent Rune's Electrifying Rambling Banter #36 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12423)
E_P's Very Own Quite Popular Random Banter #37 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12419)
Hydrogelic's Foolish Mortal Random Banter #38 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12413)
Ink's Smudgy Splotchy Random Banter #39 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12405)
Azrael's Big Black Book of Banter #40 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12397)
The Logic Vampire's Rational Random Banter #41 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12387)
Shiny's Shimmering Space-hitchin Random Banter #42 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12376)
ZombieRockStar's Random Banter #43 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12360)
Nostrabel's Realm of Cookies and Random Banter #44 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12342)
Charity's Cheery Chatter Circle #45 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12328)
Samiam's Spontaneous Scintillating Soliloquy #46 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12310)
LLama's Masked Mysterious Random Banter #47 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26599)
Ravishing Rydia's Recumbentibus ^_^ Random Banter #48 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27622)
Penguinizers Perilous Random Banter #49 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28083)
Death's delightfully morbid surrogate random banter #50 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28444)
Wayril's wonderfully weird surrogate random banter #51 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28990)
Rawhide's Deck of Random Banter (52 Cards) (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29697)
Korith's Sorrogate Random Banter of Zombie Killing #53 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30353)
Surrogate thread of random Bor-dom #54 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31109)
Rex Idiotarum's Painfully Pogoing Thread #55 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31512)
The Wrath of KHAAAAAANtalas’s William Shatner Flavored Random Banter # 56 (Surrogate) (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32080)
EmeraldRose's Random Banter of Lashing Wit #57 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32494)
Captain van der Decken's Surrogate Ship of Random Loot (Banter) #58 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32847)
SDF's Neverending I-Don't-Have-an-OotS-Avatar-Yet Story Banter #59 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33465)
Mauril's Surrogate Dwelf Banter of Fantasy Race Confusion 60th Edition (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34165)
Rockphed's Dice Rolling Toga Party of 61 Drunken CIA Analysts (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34568)
var Lord_Magtok = Random(Banter*62) + Surrogate (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34801)
Jibar's Retro Random Banter #63 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35014)
Malina's Random Spanish Banter #64 of morphical annoyance (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35256)
Mr. E's Random Banter #65 of Cane Toting and Hat Tipping (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35418)
Ego Slayer's Hellishly Random Banter #66.6 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35596)
Purple Gelatinous Cube o' Doom's bowl of bantery j-e-ll-o randomness #67 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35859)
Zephra's Random Banter of Ghostly Wailings, and Howling Fun#68 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36317)
Cobra Ikari's Random Banter #69 of Rampant Hugging, Guttermindedness, and ;-) Kinky. (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36977)
Scorpina's Random Banter #70 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37480)
Raistlin1040's Super Special Awesome Random Banter #71(Now with 20% more tacos) (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37824)
Uberblah's Random Banter #72 Of Caffeine And Sleep Deprivation Induced Randomness (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38225)
Lucky’s Random Banter #73 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38987)
Castaras's Random Banter #74 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37836)
D'anna Biers RB #75 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39495)
Zeb The Troll's RB#76 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39801)
Eldpollard's RB #77 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40128)
Gezina's and Calamity's Random banter #78 of double entendre and doom (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40410)
Random Banter #79 In Loving Memory of Hexa_Regina (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40909)
Zeratul's random banter #80 of throwing puppies off bridges (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41778)
Vespe's Random Banter #81 of singing dolphins and mostly harmless planets. (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43254)
CSK's Giant in the Playground Forums Addicted Anonymous, Random Banter #82 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44919)
Iames's Ramblingly Erratic Belldandy-Charged Random Banter #83 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=47592)
Serpentine's Scintillating Sensually and Sinuously Seductive Stochastic Satire #84 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49048)
Radikalskippy's Random Banter #85 of lost ideas and where to find them... (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50658)
Moon Called's Random Banter #86 of Sexy Anime Boys and Fangirl Squeals (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51825)
Lilly's Lovely Random Banter #87 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52783)
FdL's Fuzzbox-Fueled Random Banter #88 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54612)
SweetRein's Sugary Restrained Random Banter #89 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59668)
Midnight's Mutant Motorcycle Madness Random Banter #90 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=62430)
Em's Extremely Extraordinarily Epic Random Banter #91 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65645)
Dragonrider's Random Banter in Conjunction with the Weighted Cube #92 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67629)
Bushranger's Bodaciously Buffed Random Banter-y Rooster #93 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69425)
Haruki's Historically Hilarious Honey-covered Random Banter #94 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71161)
North's Maple Syrup Flavored Non-Alliterative Random Banter #95 Eh? (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=73464)
Wadledo's Weirdly Warbling Watercress Watching Washing Machine Only Random Banter #96 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=75946)
SMEE's Random Banter #97 of gender bending and closet bursting (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78694)
Raiser's Rambunctiously Rambling Random Banter #98 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=81626)
Dr. Bath's Random Banter, dripping with daring deeds of dastardly deipnosophists #99 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84068)
VOTE, the Democracy Demon's Devilishly Devious and Decidedly Diabolical Desultory Derision (Random Banter) #100 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84914)
Jack Squat's Justlessly Juxtaposed Random Banter #101 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=87577)
Dallas-Dakota's Dundering Dandelion's Devilish Damsel's Distress Random Banter #102 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4790602#post4790602)
Destro Yersul's Dangerously Distracting and Doubtlessly Disturbing Random Banter #103 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4903962#post4903962)
Aziraphales Actually Alliterative and Awesomely Affluent Random Banter #104 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=92718)
Cristo's Consistently Confusing and Constantly Casual Random Banter #105 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=94491)
Dish's Delightfully Deranged and Deliciously Deliquent Random Banter # 106 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=95905)
Slayer's Seemingly Sweet and Socially Silly Random Banter # 107 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=97703)
Zero's ambrosial and aberrantly adventitious, abstemiously erudite Random Banter #108 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=99100)
Coplantor's Completely Creative Cautious and Contemplative Random Banter #109 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=100414)
Rutskarn's Roly-Poly Rebellious and Rejected Random Banter #110 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=101156)
TwoBitWriter's Tubular Tracts of Thought-Talking Random Banter #111 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5600540#post5600540)
Phase's Phully Phormed, Phalangeal, and Phantasmagorical Random Banter #112 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=101988)
Wolfbane's Wonderfully Wacky and Wildly Wandom Random Banter #113 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=102865)
The Kiwi's Kinkily Knotted and Kookily Kickass Random Banter #114 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103674)
Jude's Judgmental Jugular Jab and Jibber Jabbery Random Banter #115 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=104480)
The Throne of Thufir's Thoroughly Theoretical and Therapeutic Random Banter #116 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105584)
Random Banter #117 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106698)
Dragonprime's Dynamically Dangerous Dextrous and Destructive Random Banter #118 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=107882)
Farmer Felix's Fantastic FRandom FBanter #119 (may contain traces of fnuts) (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=109007)
Groundhog's Random Banter of Weather Prediction and Anti-Gopherness (part one) (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=110963&page=50)
Groundhog's Random Banter of Weather Prediction and Anti-Gopherness (part two) (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=113197)
Mrmud's Mixed-Up and Minimally Mechanized Random Banter #121 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=114623)
Dogmantra's Dastardly, Despotic and Dangerous Random Banter #122 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=116660)
Alteran's Amazingly Anachronistic, Altruistic, and Antagonistic Random Banter #123 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=118380)
Admiral Euphoria's Random Banter Thread of Delusional Grandeur #124 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6614894)
Fred's Flying Fishy, Fighting, Fiery, Fantastic Face Off Random Banter #125 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=121385)
Cyrano’s Non-Alliterative Inaugurational Random Banter #126 To Usher In The Future (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=122977)
Thanatos's Tharmturges Present: Tropical, Tipsy, and Typically Random Banter #127
(https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=123816)loopy's Legendary and Long-Awaited Lollipop Fuelled Random Banter #128 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=124786)
Shadow's Shady Shop of Sharks, Shingles, Shammies, Shiny and Random Banter #129 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125667)
KataraAltinaII's Premature Not So Short & To-The-Point Random Banter #130 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=126557)
Supagoof's Supa-Sensational Silly Symphonies Set Sizzingly On Fire Random Banter #131 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=128570)
Pyrian's Pyrotechnic Pyre of Pyrrhic Pyros with Pyrotic Pythics Random Banter #132! (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=130459)
Perenelle's Pleasantly Playful and Passionately Peculiar Random Banter #133 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=131814)
Rpgsr4me's Ravenous, Roaring, Raging Rampage of Random Banter #134 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7373844#post7373844)
Il'deav Ilah'naie's Indiscreet Intimacies on Indigo Iceboats Random Banter #135 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=134438)
Recaiden's Resplendent and Rotating Realistic Random Banter #136 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=136879)
Jibar's Random Banter #137: Return of the Cat-muffin (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=138879)
Edge's Effluence of Extravagant and Effulgent Random Banter #138 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7876065)
Zeb The Troll's Zecond Go At Ze Random Banter #139 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8061505&postcount=1)
Curly's Rambunctious and Erudite Random Banter #140 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=148462)
Deth Muncher's Destructive and Meandering Random Banter #141 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=150904)
A Thread in Which Banter Most Random is Expulsed Into Existence, By Ravens_cry #142 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8722755)
Several Silly Sealions Stuffed Seaweed Southward Swiftly (Or, Random Banter #143) (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=159998)
The thread that changed name one last time, with style. (Random Banter #144) (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=161407)
Banjo’s Bodacious & Boosted Bumper Bulletproof Box of Banter Most Random #145 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=162819)
Masa's Massively Masterful Message Medium - Random Banter #146 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=164224)
KuReshtin's Vociferously Ruminating Harbinger of Random Banter - #147 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=166664)
Archonic's Archaic Acronymical Antidisestablishmentarianism Random Banter - #148 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=169890)
Skeppio's Splendidly Strange & Superbly Scintillating Random Banter - #149 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=173056)
Teddy's Turbulent and Topicless Random Banter #150 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=175338)
Fifty-Eyed Fred's Ferociously Fanatical and Fabulously Fascinating Random Banter #151 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=178205)
Rae's Really Rascally and Ridiculously Rowdy Random Banter #152 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=181296)
Haruki's Hot n' Holy Random Banter #153 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=10176275#post10176275)
MoonCat's Magnificently Mythopoeic Random Banter #154 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=187576)
Eadin's Exchange of Extraterrestrial Excuses AKA Random Banter #155 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=190034)
Happy HalfTangible's Horrific Hail of Random Banter #156 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=10629167#post10629167)
AtlanteanTroll's Atrocious and Terrific Arcade of Terror - RB #157 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=196302)
LaLa’s Laughably Silly Random Banter Thread – RB #158 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=198767)
Zaydos's Zany Zooetic Random Banter - RB #159 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=200208)
Blue's Blessed and Blissful Random Banter - RB #160 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=201653)
Absolmorph's Azoic Arete of Adventitious and Aimless Random Banter - RB 161 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=202546)
Gwyn's Gloriously Green Garrumphing Garter of Garrulous Gabble! Random Banter #162 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=203954)
Eruantion's Euphoric, Elephant-filled Elevated Epoch of Eurhythmic Random Banter #163 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=205487)
ATW's Awesome Androgynous Avaricious Azure Ardent Adamant Alluvial Random Banter #164 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=207269)
Cynical Avocado's Absolutely Admirable Accumulation of Random Bantering #165 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=209860)
August's Pink Plushy and Phantasmagorically Random Banter Thread #166 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=212011)
Heliomance's Everchanging Thread Title Random Banter #167 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=213053)
Tragic_Comedian's Tremendously Tropical Random Banter #168 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=215180)
Qwertystop's Quickly Quilted, Quip-filled Random Banter #169 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=217326)
Thufir's Thupremely Thatithfying Thecond Random Banter With a Lithp #170 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=219654)
Feytalist's Fantastically Freakish First Random Banter #171 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=222713)
Dragonprime's Dashing Delight-fu Dazzling Dualistic Random Banter #172
Castaras' Random Banter #173: Bringing back your nostalgic Great Old Ones (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=229164)
Pokemon-freak89's Random Banter number eleventy-twelve... uhh... I mean... number 174 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=231235)
Dark Elf Bard's Random Banter #175:Playin' Underdark Jazz since the Drow went dark. (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=235950)
Mutant Sheep's Post Septaquintaquinquecentennial ApRiL fOoLs Random Banter: #176 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=238117)
Elemental's Excitingly Excellent Random Banter: No.CLXXVII (177) (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=13163770)
Amiel's Appeasingly Appropriate Arbitrary Amusement (Random Banter): No.CLXXVIII #178 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=245179)
"Your Angel of Banter Awaits." ThePhantasm Presents Random Banter #179 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=13535351)
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Bartmanhomer

2021-07-17, 11:46 PM

Anyway, during my time off on Youtube, I feel very happy and more relax for my time. I'm glad that the pandemic has toned down a bit so I can go see the movie theater again.

Rater202

2021-07-17, 11:57 PM

In regards to the memory problem of immortality... I do believe that the current theory is that memory is infintly compressible. Once you memorize something, you never forget it, you just need the right trigger to bring it out.

But, since it's being compressed, it might not be 100% accurate.

Also, very time you remember something it's like making a copy of a data file and then replacing the original with the copy, so if something goes wrong during the copy...

Those are the current theories, as far as I am aware.

So it's not that you'll inevitably stop memorizing things or start forgetting things as you experience new things, it's just... Eh.

But yeah, that is a flaw that would need to be worked on in order to be truly immortal.

Bartmanhomer

2021-07-18, 12:00 AM

enderlord99

2021-07-18, 12:00 AM

A few posts near the end of the previous thread mentioned... something that grows in bunches on a treelike plant that is, formally speaking, not an actually tree.

I would appreciate if Rawhide or, potentially, another mod states (ideally with moderate-to-thorough detail, but any amount is fine) whether that... bit of produce is okay to discuss or not. I heard it wasn't, around when I first joined the forum, but nothing I read in the publicly-viewable version of the rules (https://forums.giantitp.com/announcement.php?a=1) implies that it would be a problem. Now that people are discussing them once again, I would appreciate an explanation.

Bartmanhomer

2021-07-18, 12:05 AM

Also, I forgot to mention that my supervisor changes my days of work: which is Monday, Wednesday, and Friday but now is Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday starting this week.

Tarmor

2021-07-18, 12:24 AM

It turns out that a <REDACTED> is an easy act to follow, particularly when they do nearly all the work for you.

Never been the same fruit/object/word for me since 'Despicable Me' and 'Minions'.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFukyIIM1XI

enderlord99

2021-07-18, 12:32 AM

Upon consulting the forum's search-function, it appears that "banana" was being used as a stand-in for something that is actually a Forbidden Topic in exactly one thread from 2008, in part because of someone misreading a question about that topic in that thread's title.

I could be mistaken about this. I would greatly appreciate confirmation via PM, ideally from Roland

factotum

2021-07-18, 12:51 AM

Also, I forgot to mention that my supervisor changes my days of work: which is Monday, Wednesday, and Friday but now is Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday starting this week.

Sounds like a win to me--you get four days straight to relax between work sessions!

Bartmanhomer

2021-07-18, 12:53 AM

Sounds like a win to me--you get four days straight to relax between work sessions!

It is a huge win for me. I get four days straight to relax now. :biggrin:

Mystic Muse

2021-07-18, 01:08 AM

I'm strongly considering looking for a different job even though I've only been at my current one a little over 10 months.

Form

2021-07-18, 03:36 AM

I'm strongly considering looking for a different job even though I've only been at my current one a little over 10 months.

There's nothing wrong with that. What might be keeping you from doing so and what do you want to gain ny switching jobs and/or employers?

Fyraltari

2021-07-18, 03:36 AM

From last thread:

For two, every animal we know of has had innumerable members die. If the incredibly rare few that seem to not agree, this only means we hang yet to establish a maximum age range.

How about the cheeky bastard that can nope out of old age (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turritopsis_dohrnii)?

Anonymouswizard

2021-07-18, 07:23 AM

Peelee

2021-07-18, 07:50 AM

From last thread:

How about the cheeky bastard that can nope out of old age (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turritopsis_dohrnii)?
No known maximum lifespan yet, I think is the more accurate way to put it.

I'm strongly considering looking for a different job even though I've only been at my current one a little over 10 months.
I would absolutely tell you to join me in the cool new job (well, career, really) I'm trying for, but that would require saying what it is.

Also, in other job related news, after seven months with my medical office, they have just last week given me a fifteen percent raise and offered to transfer me to an office significantly closer to my house, cutting my commute time in half for more money. I'm in the cusp of leaving for a different state and they're doing a good job of making me feel bad about leaving if I get the full offer. Imean, not enough to make me not accept, but still. I really appreciate how they treat me.

Rater202

2021-07-18, 07:58 AM

I feel confident that this thread has a lower death rate than humanity.

Honestly, even if you don't die of old age, you likely only have hundreds of years until you die rather than millions. I feel confident that the first ageless lobster is deadz as well as the first member of other unaging species.

I mean if that's your attitude then obviously you're not living forever.

Beyond that, the existence of unaging animals is more of a "you don't have to die, there's no strict reason for it, your body just doesn't maintain itself well enough to last indefinitely" rather than a "it's definitely possible to live for countless eons, you guys."

Keltest

2021-07-18, 08:00 AM

Rater202

2021-07-18, 08:08 AM

So continuing from last time...

Peelee, i know exactly how bad medical records can be. A couple towns over, some guy went to the hospital for some fairly mundane thing, checked in, everything normal... and they put him under and cut off his leg by mistake.

The lesson here is to never go to the hospital in Reading.

I don't deny that such a thing may have happened, particularly if the person in question had a common name so there may have been a similarly named patient who needed an amputation, but that's a very common urban legend...

And also, I think an entry in Scary Stories To Tell in The Dark.

Keltest

2021-07-18, 08:11 AM

I don't deny that such a thing may have happened, particularly if the person in question had a common name so there may have been a similarly named patient who needed an amputation, but that's a very common urban legend...

And also, I think an entry in Scary Stories To Tell in The Dark.

Probably true, and i'd wager its a lot more common an occurrence than we'd like to think. But also, ive been to Reading a couple times, so i stand by my claim. Dont go to the hospital in Reading.

Peelee

2021-07-18, 08:16 AM

So continuing from last time...

Peelee, i know exactly how bad medical records can be. A couple towns over, some guy went to the hospital for some fairly mundane thing, checked in, everything normal... and they put him under and cut off his leg by mistake.

The lesson here is to never go to the hospital in Reading.

I was more referring to the lack of any centralized database. Mistakes happen, and while cutting off one leg when it should have been the other is quite the doozy, to put it mildly, if you live in Florida and go and vacation in Washington and happen to do into a coma, you're kind of up a creek without a paddle as far as who you're with being able to provide a comprehensive medical history goes.

Of course, that would mean I'd have to get into my complaints about HIPAA, and I don't think anyone wants me to go there. Ever.

Rater202

2021-07-18, 08:25 AM

Probably true, and i'd wager its a lot more common an occurrence than we'd like to think. But also, ive been to Reading a couple times, so i stand by my claim. Dont go to the hospital in Reading.

Also, in general, make sure to thoroughly read anything the doctors give you to read or sign and make sure they don't do anything for or too you before explaining what they're doing and getting your consent.

If a doctor or other medical professional refuses to tell you what they want to do to you, refuse treatment. Request another doctor, go to another hospital if you have to. You can't trust a doctor who doesn't think it's worth it to tell you what he or she is planning to do to your body.

Especially if they want to inject you with something. Amputation is extremely unlikely but a doctor or nurse accidentally giving you a shot of something you're allergic to because you have the same last name as another patient is much more likely.

DavidSh

2021-07-18, 08:30 AM

Anonymouswizard

2021-07-18, 08:34 AM

I mean if that's your attitude then obviously you're not living forever.

Yep, I plan to escape from this universe into blissful nonexistence before Heat Death makes it a meaningless distinction with the choice between an excruciating transition or dying.

I wouldn't mind a few extra millennia first though. Dying eventually doesn't mean dying now.

Peelee

2021-07-18, 08:41 AM

Yep, I plan to escape from this universe into blissful nonexistence before Heat Death makes it a meaningless distinction with the choice between an excruciating transition or dying.

I wouldn't mind a few extra millennia first though. Dying eventually doesn't mean dying now.

Frankly, I'm not even sure I would like millennia. Society changes, man, imagine being the super bigoted person in the year 4545 when your beliefs were perfectly fine in 2525. If man has still survived.

Rater202

2021-07-18, 08:48 AM

Frankly, I'm not even sure I would like millennia. Society changes, man, imagine being the super bigoted person in the year 4545 when your beliefs were perfectly fine in 2525. If man has still survived.

I mean, that's why you either adapt, or create a secret fortress and seclude yourself from the outside world.

Though completely honest at the rate we're going I don't think that's gonna be an issue. It's gonna be more "ow to find people you can spend eternity with."

Keltest

2021-07-18, 08:56 AM

Are you talking about the Reading in England, or one of the others? I just want to be clear about this.

Reading Pennsylvania. Like, beware hospitals in the middle of nowhere, US to begin with, but Reading as a town has a special reputation for being full of idiots. One of my friends went to a restaurant there once, and the waiter asked them how well done they wanted their veggie burger, and it took them like 10 minutes to understand that the question doesnt even make sense.

Peelee

2021-07-18, 09:32 AM

nothing I read in the publicly-viewable version of the rules (https://forums.giantitp.com/announcement.php?a=1) implies that it would be a problem.

There is no secret list of secret rules, if that's what you're implying.

Form

2021-07-18, 09:57 AM

Frankly, I'm not even sure I would like millennia. Society changes, man, imagine being the super bigoted person in the year 4545 when your beliefs were perfectly fine in 2525. If man has still survived.

I see what you did there. Long time since I've heard that song and... I do not remember its name. Bugger.

I mean, that's why you either adapt, or create a secret fortress and seclude yourself from the outside world.

Though completely honest at the rate we're going I don't think that's gonna be an issue. It's gonna be more "ow to find people you can spend eternity with."

Humans are social animals, so seclusion is not going to be an option for the vast majority of people. If you're immortal or live a lot longer than everyone else you're going to have to come to terms with how every relationship is ultimately transitory. It's going to be a matter of finding people to spend a small sliver of eternity with, process their loss and then move on and find some people for the next sliver.

Peelee

2021-07-18, 10:09 AM

I see what you did there. Long time since I've heard that song and... I do not remember its name. Bugger.

In the Year 2525. Great song, and I'm not ashamed I was only introduced to it by the Futurama parody.

Anonymouswizard

2021-07-18, 10:13 AM

Yeah, and if you're planning on going insane to help deal with seclusion and/or isolation then bare in mind you have no actual control over that. You could be drifting through space as dead stars turn to iron, perfectly sane for eternity.

Or in other words, I'm relatively intraverted, and I spent most of lockdown messaging everybody I could because video games have become boring.

Peelee

2021-07-18, 10:15 AM

Yeah, and if you're planning on going insane to help deal with seclusion and/or isolation then bare in mind you have no actual control over that. You could be drifting through space as dead stars turn to iron, perfectly sane for eternity.

You know, Bender was god once. He was doing well until everyone died.

All roads lead to Futurama.

Fyraltari

2021-07-18, 10:16 AM

There is no secret list of secret rules, if that's what you're implying.

Exactly what someone trying to keep it secret would say!

Rater202

2021-07-18, 10:20 AM

He was doing well until everyone died.

I think you can say that about any situation that ends with a lot of people dead.

Anonymouswizard

2021-07-18, 10:35 AM

I think you can say that about any situation that ends with a lot of people dead.

I mean, it's possible to do poorly until everyone dies. Big problem with hospitals.

Keltest

2021-07-18, 10:48 AM

I mean, it's possible to do poorly until everyone dies. Big problem with hospitals.

I feel like "until" is not the correct word to use in that scenario.

Fyraltari

2021-07-18, 11:10 AM

I feel like "until" is not the correct word to use in that scenario.

That depends whether "doing terribly" is a subset of "doing poorly" or a separate set.

Rater202

2021-07-18, 11:40 AM

Experiment: Inspired by my failed attempt at a nacho cheese, I attempted for today's lunch a Tex-Mex cheese soup.

A mixture of mild cheddar, a "breakfast blend" of cheeses that consists of sharp white cheddar and a mild swiss(which I can handle in small amounts if it's mixed with other cheeses,) "quesadilla" cheese which was white and mild but the specific name was not given on the package, and parmesan. All pre-shredded/grated this time.

Spices were modified from the nacho blend, removing the garlic powder, onion powder, and most of the salt because such ingredients are pleasant in a broth base that I used.

When I make a cheese sauce, I usually use two cups of milk. This time, I substituted a cup of water and when the flour/butter mixture was integrated I spooned in two tablespoons of the broth base, which distributed into one cup of warm water creates one cup of broth so it is effectively a cup of milk and a cup of broth.

Results: It was only when the 'soup' was done that I realized that I did not now how thick a cheese soup is supposed to be. I may have accidentally created a smoother, milder, and more savory version of the chili-cheese sauce I accidentally created last time.

Edit: After a few spoonfuls, examining the mouthfeel... yeah, I accidentally made cheese sauce.

I did learn that chicken brother makes a creamier sauce though, so not a total loss.

Anonymouswizard

2021-07-18, 12:04 PM

That depends whether "doing terribly" is a subset of "doing poorly" or a separate set.

I mean, 'doing poorly' was mainly chosen for pun.

Fyraltari

2021-07-18, 12:11 PM

I mean, 'doing poorly' was mainly chosen for pun.

I've missed it, I'm afraid.

Anonymouswizard

2021-07-18, 01:16 PM

I've missed it, I'm afraid.

To be poorly is to have the lurgy, uh be unwell. Therefore a hospital is generally doing poorly.

Mystic Muse

2021-07-18, 02:15 PM

There's nothing wrong with that. What might be keeping you from doing so and what do you want to gain ny switching jobs and/or employers?

A lot of things.

First even though this is an entry level job, other entry level jobs in IT pay more (I'm making $10 an hour), and come with benefits.

Second, stricter rules about what's appropriate to talk about at work. I can absolutely see how discussion of politics contributes to the feeling of a hostile work environment (I'm on the opposite end of the political spectrum from everyone there, the owner sends out emails ranting about political stuff sometimes.)

Third, the driving. The main office isn't so bad (15 minute drive) but the other office is a 45 minute drive, and some of our clients are even further (3 hour drive in one case).

Lastly, it'd be nice if I could find a place where I could start presenting as female. No way in hell that's going to happen where I am right now.

Fyraltari

2021-07-18, 02:54 PM

To be poorly is to have the lurgy, uh be unwell. Therefore a hospital is generally doing poorly.

You guys also need more funding to your Health Services?

Anonymouswizard

2021-07-18, 03:08 PM

You guys also need more funding to your Health Services?

Can't say, violates the public list of rules.

Instead I shall have a bananana.

Form

2021-07-18, 03:08 PM

A lot of things.

First even though this is an entry level job, other entry level jobs in IT pay more (I'm making $10 an hour), and come with benefits.

Second, stricter rules about what's appropriate to talk about at work. I can absolutely see how discussion of politics contributes to the feeling of a hostile work environment (I'm on the opposite end of the political spectrum from everyone there, the owner sends out emails ranting about political stuff sometimes.)

That's some very unprofessional behavior from the owner. I take a very dim view of that kind of nonsense myself. Even from a purely business oriented perspective that's just plain bad. It's distracting, it's bad for morale, it's bad for business.

Third, the driving. The main office isn't so bad (15 minute drive) but the other office is a 45 minute drive, and some of our clients are even further (3 hour drive in one case).

Lastly, it'd be nice if I could find a place where I could start presenting as female. No way in hell that's going to happen where I am right now.

You've only listed reasons to go and no reasons to stay. I'm guessing you've already pretty much made up your mind. I'd say there's no reason to not start looking around at least. Don't feel guilty about leaving after 'only' 10 months if that was cause for hesitation. That place isn't entitled to your loyalty.

Bartmanhomer

2021-07-18, 03:13 PM

2D8HP

2021-07-18, 05:23 PM

People are the product of their experiences.

Going back and retroactively adding additional experiences would change me.

Again, assuming that the two different pasts don't branch into mutually exclusive futures. Like I said, if my family hadn't been crewed by the bank we wouldn't be having this conversation.

the best case scenario is that there would be me and another person with a past identical to my own up to the age of... 4ish.

The worst case scenario is that the contradictory past would drive me bat**** insane.

From my own experience this isn't true, without anti-depressants I was a melancholy nice guy, with anti-depressants I became a belligerent jerk.

I was a different person with the same memories.

In another case while taking his meds a friend's husband was a loving nice guy, off them he became a monster.

Same memories.

In regards to the memory problem of immortality... I do believe that the current theory is that memory is infintly compressible. Once you memorize something, you never forget it, you just need the right trigger to bring it out.

But, since it's being compressed, it might not be 100% accurate.

Also, very time you remember something it's like making a copy of a data file and then replacing the original with the copy, so if something goes wrong during the copy...

Those are the current theories, as far as I am aware.

So it's not that you'll inevitably stop memorizing things or start forgetting things as you experience new things, it's just... Eh.

But yeah, that is a flaw that would need to be worked on in order to be truly immortal.

In my experience some of the memories made, music listened to, movies seen, books read, etc., from when I was roughly 15 to 25 old are "sharp" and easily accessible, the other 43 years of my life are "fuzzy" and are not.

Rater202

2021-07-19, 01:24 AM

From my own experience this isn't true, without anti-depressants I was a melancholy nice guy, with anti-depressants I became a belligerent jerk.

I was a different person with the same memories.

In another case while taking his meds a friend's husband was a loving nice guy, off them he became a monster.

Same memories.

That is a completely separate issue. The fact that your behavior changes when you are taking mind-effecting pharmaceuticals, in this case medication, meant to alter your brain chemistry in the hopes of correcting an imbalance leading to excessive and inappropriate depression, has no bearing on whether changing previous experiences that have already happened would change who someone is.

Anonymouswizard

2021-07-19, 03:53 PM

Bartmanhomer

2021-07-19, 03:59 PM

My first pickles are in the fridge!

I expect these ones to fail, I'm experimemting here and think I might have too much pickles to brine. But I'll keep an eye on them and if they turn out bad I'll throw them and start again with less in the jars.

Sweet. :smile:

So anyway I'm enjoying my four days weekend because I'm no longer working on Mondays. I woke up at noon, took a shower, watching TV, and relax. Later tonight I'm going to work with my upper body.

DataNinja

2021-07-19, 06:49 PM

Rater202

2021-07-20, 03:27 AM

I like me a nice dill pickle. Preferably kosher, but polish is fine too.

Once made the mistake of picking up some "zesty dill" pickles. Delicious, but painful.

Like, I was crying in pain but physically could not stop myself from eating them.

Sweet pickles and bread and butter pickles are the work of an enemy stand.

I also really want to try making pickled beats at somepoint.Unrelated: I went back and watched TeamFourStar's playthrough of Metal Gear Solid 3. I skipped it a few years ago because they never uploaded the first recording to youtube and at the time my computer wasn't playing nice with twitch VODs but I got curious and checked and they did eventually put it back up.

After finding the box, they have Snake call their tech guy and he goes on a rant about how safe and at peace he feels in the box...

I have never related more to a fictional character.

Bartmanhomer

2021-07-20, 05:11 PM

I return for my Youtube break and all my supporters and haters missed me.

Beeftank

2021-07-20, 08:21 PM

About a two weeks ago I posted I was getting the guys together for basketball, that unfortunately fell through, but I finally managed to get a game together tonight. I know you all were waiting in anticipation for the results, so I’ll just tell you all not to worry; despite the long hiatus my silky smooth jump shot has not yet abandoned me.

For real though, it was nice to get back out there. It’s a lot tougher to get people together now that we are in our 20s. One of the downsides of being an adult I guess. Not having to go for a jog was also a plus, I hate jogging.

Cazero

2021-07-20, 11:41 PM

Not having to go for a jog was also a plus, I hate jogging.
I hope you still did some warmups.

Rater202

2021-07-21, 05:17 AM

Lacco

2021-07-21, 05:26 AM

Anyone else have a food that they really like... But you keep forgetting you like it?

Every couple of months I'll eat a banana because there's nothing else to snack on and then "Oh, right, these things are delicious. Why don't I eat these more often?" pops into my head and then...

Apples.

I tend not to eat them, but once in a while I taste them and go "ooooh, nice". The sentiment is then promptly forgotten.

enderlord99

2021-07-21, 06:16 AM

I remember hearing somewhere that it''s possible for fish to drown, but only if they're saltwater fish.

Peelee

2021-07-21, 06:25 AM

I remember hearing somewhere that it''s possible for fish to drown, but only if they're saltwater fish.

Any fish can drown, but it's probably pretty unlikely for most. I know Great White Sharks and some other species need to constantly move for their gills to extract oxygen so they can be drowned deliberately.

enderlord99

2021-07-21, 06:35 AM

Any fish can drown, but it's probably pretty unlikely for most. I know Great White Sharks and some other species need to constantly move for their gills to extract oxygen so they can be drowned deliberately.

From the sound of what you described, that's not drowning (though it is suffocation.)

Drowning is chemical suffocation from too much water, or from that water being in the wrong place. It is not merely suffocation while coincidentally underwater at the time.

EDIT: Apparently (https://www.fishkeepingworld.com/can-fish-drown/), fish can't drown at all. Saltwater fish forcibly placed in freshwater apparently undergo a form of death similar to frostbite.

Peelee

2021-07-21, 12:08 PM

From the sound of what you described, that's not drowning (though it is suffocation.)

Drowning is chemical suffocation from too much water, or from that water being in the wrong place. It is not merely suffocation while coincidentally underwater at the time.

EDIT: Apparently (https://www.fishkeepingworld.com/can-fish-drown/), fish can't drown at all. Saltwater fish forcibly placed in freshwater apparently undergo a form of death similar to frostbite.

At this point we're getting into needless pedantry; for all intents and purposes, fish can drown. Does it matter much if the exact same process as non-fish drowning is used? In my opinion, it does not. YMMV.

Tvtyrant

2021-07-21, 01:03 PM

From the sound of what you described, that's not drowning (though it is suffocation.)

Drowning is chemical suffocation from too much water, or from that water being in the wrong place. It is not merely suffocation while coincidentally underwater at the time.

EDIT: Apparently (https://www.fishkeepingworld.com/can-fish-drown/), fish can't drown at all. Saltwater fish forcibly placed in freshwater apparently undergo a form of death similar to frostbite.

Yeah but at that definitional point you are a fish, and can drown, thus fish can drown (thanks cladistics!)

enderlord99

2021-07-21, 02:28 PM

Yeah but at that definitional point you are a fish, and can drown, thus fish can drown (thanks cladistics!)

Wait, what did I say that makes me count as a fish?

Mith

2021-07-21, 02:30 PM

So I'll be taking on another 4 months of graduate studies to not rush my thesis. It also let's me get a second proper journal paper out and wrap up some side projects (making some resources that should make continuing this project way easier for the next grad student involved in the project. All good things.

However, there is still a part of my brain that get's the mental image of the runner chasing after two people holding the finish line ribbon...

Tvtyrant

2021-07-21, 03:10 PM

Wait, what did I say that makes me count as a fish?

All mammals are fish.

Cazero

2021-07-21, 03:15 PM

Wait, what did I say that makes me count as a fish?

All mammals are fish.
To clarify, if you're willing to nitpick system shock from wrong type of water in the gills as not drowning, then nitpicking back with all mammals being fish is fair.

enderlord99

2021-07-21, 03:21 PM

To clarify, if you're willing to nitpick system shock from wrong type of water in the gills as not drowning, then nitpicking back with all mammals being fish is fair.

...Holding a shark still causes it to experience system-shock from the wrong type of water? :smallconfused:

halfeye

2021-07-21, 07:08 PM

I think that the fish's failure to breathe air through it's gills is a better analogy for drowning.

Rater202

2021-07-21, 08:19 PM

"He deserves a high five. In the face. With a bottle" is now my new favorite way to allude to someone being an asshat without actually saying it.

Cazero

2021-07-22, 12:40 AM

...Holding a shark still causes it to experience system-shock from the wrong type of water? :smallconfused:
No, the thing about saltwater fish in freshwater.

enderlord99

2021-07-22, 02:08 AM

No, the thing about saltwater fish in freshwater.

If you mean...

I remember hearing somewhere that it's possible for fish to drown, but only if they're saltwater fish.
...which is how I started the conversation, then I don't understand how that could be interpreted as a pedantic claim that you can't drown any fish whatsoever, to which "yes you can, because mammals are fish" is a reasonable response.

Cazero

2021-07-22, 02:47 AM

If you mean...

...which is how I started the conversation, then I don't understand how that could be interpreted as a pedantic claim that you can't drown any fish whatsoever, to which "yes you can, because mammals are fish" is a reasonable response.
I don't even. Is this bit not yours?
EDIT: Apparently (https://www.fishkeepingworld.com/can-fish-drown/), fish can't drown at all. Saltwater fish forcibly placed in freshwater apparently undergo a form of death similar to frostbite.

enderlord99

2021-07-22, 02:50 AM

I don't even. Is this bit not yours?

Oh.

The "EDIT: I was wrong, and I'm sorry" part.

That's what you're angry at me for‽

Cazero

2021-07-22, 02:53 AM

I was clarifying the point of someone being pedantic as a joke. Why are we having this conversation?

enderlord99

2021-07-22, 02:55 AM

I was clarifying the point of someone being pedantic as a joke :smallconfused: Who was joking, and how do you know they were doing so?
Why are we having this conversation? :smalleek: I don't know

Form

2021-07-22, 03:00 AM

"He deserves a high five. In the face. With a bottle" is now my new favorite way to allude to someone being an asshat without actually saying it.

A high bottling, if you will.

Cazero

2021-07-22, 03:09 AM

:smallconfused: Who was joking, and how do you know they were doing so?
Tvtyrant, and I know that because nobody seriously claims that apes are fish. Even though they are, technicaly, thanks to cladistics.

Fyraltari

2021-07-22, 03:25 AM

Tvtyrant, and I know that because nobody seriously claims that apes are fish. Even though they are, technicaly, thanks to cladistics.

Say what now?

Cazero

2021-07-22, 04:40 AM

I'm not the one who brought that up. I'm just parroting. Because it's funny.
So the takeaway there is that 1) I shouldn't quit my dayjob for standup comedy, and b) I'm not a biologist.

Fyraltari

2021-07-22, 06:50 AM

A pretty girl told* me that I was handsome.
:smallcool:

That is all.

*messaged, whatever,

Metastachydium

2021-07-22, 08:05 AM

Tvtyrant, and I know that because nobody seriously claims that apes are fish. Even though they are, technicaly, thanks to cladistics.

Fish are a paraphyletic group, though. There's no such clade.

Rater202

2021-07-22, 09:21 AM

Question: I've never actually read The Hobbit. I know the gist of the plot from pop-culture osmosis, wiki walks, general exposure to The Lord of The Rings, and occasionally clips of Rankin Bass film, but I've never actually read it.

I discussed this with my mom a bit ago, and she gifted m a copy of the 75th-anniversary pocket edition of the novel as a birthday present this morning (I am 28)

If I were to do a let's-read thread over in Media Discussions where I give my thoughts on the book chapter by chapter from the perspective of someone with an intellectual knowledge of the book reading it for the first time, would there be an interest in that?

Anonymouswizard

2021-07-22, 09:27 AM

My parcel arrived! Woooooo!

Now I just have to wait until work is over until I can open it. Remaining in the hot building with no air conditioning.

I wonder why I even bothered to shower this morning, I feel like I wouldn't have smelt any worse.

P.S. The Hobbit is amazing. But it is a kid's book, don't go expecting any elf/dwarf snuggles.

Rater202

2021-07-22, 09:33 AM

P.S. The Hobbit is amazing. But it is a kid's book, don't go expecting any elf/dwarf snuggles.

...My first thought was to wonder why you'd think anyone would go in expecting that.

My second thought is that this is probably a "warning, do not attempt to stop this circular saw's blade with your bare hand" type thing.

...I should avoid Tolkien fanfiction, shouldn't I?

Lacco

2021-07-22, 09:37 AM

...My first thought was to wonder why you'd think anyone would go in expecting that.

My second thought is that this is probably a "warning, do not attempt to stop this circular saw's blade with your bare hand" type thing.

...I should avoid Tolkien fanfiction, shouldn't I?

If that was your first thought, you should take care to avoid Tolkien fanfiction, especially the live-action movie fanfic that was in cinemas few years ago.

On completely unrelated note, who does not that have love forced romance in book adaptations? :smallwink:

Fyraltari

2021-07-22, 09:48 AM

DavidSh

2021-07-22, 09:50 AM

If that was your first thought, you should take care to avoid Tolkien fanfiction, especially the live-action movie fanfic that was in cinemas few years ago.

What, was there a Tauriel/Thorin romance in the Hobbit movies? I've mostly managed to forget all of the details of those, except that the phrase "like butter scraped over too much bread" applied, and it was often shot like it was designed for a 3D video game.

Note: Tauriel was an elven maiden invented for the movies.
Note 2: Research reveals it was Tauriel/Kili.

Anonymouswizard

2021-07-22, 09:57 AM

To be fair, I hear that plenty of Tolkien's other works include lots of human/elf cuddles (I'm not certain if anything else happens, I suspect not onscreen).

But yeah, the forced romance was only one of those films' problems.

Side note, aren't there six armies at the Battle of Five Armies? Or do the eagles not count because they began the fight up the author's sleevies?

Fyraltari

2021-07-22, 10:02 AM

To be fair, I hear that plenty of Tolkien's other works include lots of human/elf cuddles (I'm not certain if anything else happens, I suspect not onscreen).
The raunchiest is when Lùthien is said to "lay hands" on Beren.

But yeah, the forced romance was only one of those films' problems.
If only it had been the only one... Fun fact: the actress for Tauriel was promised the character wouldn't be put in some bull**** love triangle.

Side note, aren't there six armies at the Battle of Five Armies? Or do the eagles not count because they began the fight up the author's sleevies?

There is considerable debate around which of the groups present does not count as one "army".

Lacco

2021-07-22, 10:25 AM

What, was there a Tauriel/Thorin romance in the Hobbit movies? I've mostly managed to forget all of the details of those, except that the phrase "like butter scraped over too much bread" applied, and it was often shot like it was designed for a 3D video game.

For a moment I thought the phrase was *used* in the movie during the romance. Now THAT, sans context, would be rather... crusty.

Side note, aren't there six armies at the Battle of Five Armies? Or do the eagles not count because they began the fight up the author's sleevies?

Interestingly, when a friend of mine brought the news that the Hobbit movie will have three parts, I asked him, jokingly, what was the third going to be about - if they planned to have the battle of three armies shot in 3D, slow motion, from viewpoint of every named character.

Should have made that a bet!

The raunchiest is when Lùthien is said to "lay hands" on Beren.

Oh, you handsome Frenchman, you! :smallredface: Congrats to that title, not easy to get that one!

Fun fact: the actress for Tauriel was promised the character wouldn't be put in some bull**** love triangle.

Now this is a almost as unforgivable as when they cut Glorfindel from LotR:FotR (language window: in Czech, Lotr = Villain/Scoundrel and Fotr = father (slang)... therefore the LotR:FotR is Scoundrel: The Father).

factotum

2021-07-22, 10:32 AM

Anonymouswizard

2021-07-22, 10:55 AM

The raunchiest is when Lùthien is said to "lay hands" on Beren.

Based on my Official Guide to Touching for the EnglishTM they must have been married for three years.

If only it had been the only one... Fun fact: the actress for Tauriel was promised the character wouldn't be put in some bull**** love triangle.

Hmmmmm... Can we squeeze a fourth character in there, make it a love quadralateral?

There is considerable debate around which of the groups present does not count as one "army".

Hmmmmm.. do the Men count as an army, or are they more of a militia?

Keltest

2021-07-22, 11:16 AM

I dont think the eagles count as an army A: because they were late, and B: because there were so few of them.

DavidSh

2021-07-22, 11:51 AM

I dont think the eagles count as an army A: because they were late, and B: because there were so few of them.
And C: because they were an air force.

I can't find either of my copies right now, but I recall Dwarves, Elves, Men, and Goblins as distinct armies, with separate, possibly conflicting, goals. The Wargs seemed to be pretty tight with the Goblins.

Keltest

2021-07-22, 12:01 PM

And C: because they were an air force.

I can't find either of my copies right now, but I recall Dwarves, Elves, Men, and Goblins as distinct armies, with separate, possibly conflicting, goals. The Wargs seemed to be pretty tight with the Goblins.

I think the Wargs are considered separate from the Goblins due to the previously established relationship where they sometimes work together for a common goal, but arent part of the same chain of command, so to speak. Much like the Elves and Men.

Rater202

2021-07-22, 12:58 PM

Anyway, I've started a thread for my readthrough of The hobbit, if anyone's interested (https://forums.giantitp.com/showthread.php?634332-Rater-Reads-The-Hobbit)

Anonymouswizard

2021-07-22, 03:41 PM

I've just spent the better part of an hour running around trying to find my parcel, only to discover that the person who might have it possibly isn't in the building (and I've had confirmation that it was definitely by the letterbox earlier).

I'm annoyed. After a month's wait for release and an eleven hour shift I was very much looking forward to reading my new book. Instead I've just had additional stress when I've got an early start tomorrow.

Tarmor

2021-07-22, 06:42 PM

If I were to do a let's-read thread over in Media Discussions where I give my thoughts on the book chapter by chapter from the perspective of someone with an intellectual knowledge of the book reading it for the first time, would there be an interest in that?

"You have my bow!" You can't have my sword... I sold my swords decades ago. (Yeah, wrong movie, and I'm sure its not in the books.)

I'm interested. It's about time I re-read Hobbit and LotR myself.

I've just spent the better part of an hour running around trying to find my parcel, only to discover that the person who might have it possibly isn't in the building (and I've had confirmation that it was definitely by the letterbox earlier).

I'm annoyed. After a month's wait for release and an eleven hour shift I was very much looking forward to reading my new book. Instead I've just had additional stress when I've got an early start tomorrow.

I hope you find it soon!
I ordered some older novels last weekend from the USA to fill gaps in my book collection. I'm looking forward to these arriving as it includes a four-book set I've never read, and the third book of a trilogy (I have the first two, never read)... I've been given 5 tracking numbers for 11 books. I might have the joy of parcels arriving all next month!

Peelee

2021-07-22, 07:47 PM

Bartmanhomer

2021-07-22, 07:48 PM

Is the Hobbit based on the Lord of the Rings? :confused:

Peelee

2021-07-22, 07:51 PM

Is the Hobbit based on the Lord of the Rings? :confused:

.....no. No it is not.

Bartmanhomer

2021-07-22, 07:59 PM

.....no. No it is not.

Ok. I thought The Hobbit was based on Lord of the Rings but you're telling me it isn't.

Peelee

2021-07-22, 08:01 PM

Ok. I thought The Hobbit was based on Lord of the Rings but you're telling me it isn't.

The Hobbit was written first.

Bartmanhomer

2021-07-22, 08:02 PM

The Hobbit was written first.

Ok. Thank you for telling me that.

Tarmor

2021-07-22, 09:13 PM

Is the Hobbit based on the Lord of the Rings? :confused:

You could say that the 'Lord of the Rings' is based on 'The Hobbit'.... in that it follows after The Hobbit, and the events of The Hobbit are very important to set up what happens in LotR.

Bartmanhomer

2021-07-22, 09:14 PM

You could say that the 'Lord of the Rings' is based on 'The Hobbit'.... in that it follows after The Hobbit, and the events of The Hobbit are very important to set up what happens in LotR.

Yes Peelee already mentioned that the Hobbit was first.

Beeftank

2021-07-22, 09:53 PM

Tolkien wrote the Hobbit first as sort of a stand alone story, then later when he wrote LOTR he decided to make the hobbit a prequel to it.

Haven’t read any of them though. I tried LOTR but I got bored around the mines of Moria.

factotum

2021-07-23, 12:35 AM

Tolkien wrote the Hobbit first as sort of a stand alone story, then later when he wrote LOTR he decided to make the hobbit a prequel to it.

He started writing all the legendary stuff first. The Hobbit was just meant to be a cute story for his kids, but he couldn't help including aspects of his legend into it. This is why there's no creation myth for Hobbits in The Silmarillion, they were never originally meant to be part of this world! LOTR was written as a continuation with the popular hobbit characters after he was told that the chances of him getting the Silmarillion published (which is what he really wanted) were pretty much nil.

Razade

2021-07-23, 06:52 AM

He started writing all the legendary stuff first. The Hobbit was just meant to be a cute story for his kids, but he couldn't help including aspects of his legend into it. This is why there's no creation myth for Hobbits in The Silmarillion, they were never originally meant to be part of this world! LOTR was written as a continuation with the popular hobbit characters after he was told that the chances of him getting the Silmarillion published (which is what he really wanted) were pretty much nil.

This is...mostly not correct? Tolkien was writing poetry and legends and creating languages since the 1910's but none of that really crystalized into The Lord of the Rings until way later and a lot of the early stuff doesn't really see much movement from his own private writings to what would become his mythology post 1930s. The stuff before that was a private mythology and he only wrote The Hobbit because it was an oral series of stories he'd tell his children but when they started to contradict his tellings with previous tellings, he decided to just write it down so there was a concrete version.

Even then, the Hobbit was loosely based on the legends he wrote privately and those legends went on to help build what we know as the Legerdum but the Ælfwine stuff and The Lost Tales are themselves not The Lord of the Rings backstory. Tolkien didn't start writing The Lord of the Rings until the 1940s, after the publication of The Hobbit, and what we understand as The Silmarillion and the rest of the History that Tolkien built didn't really crystalize until then. Even in the 1940's Tolkien was conscious of The Lord of the Rings being something of a sequel to the Hobbit as can be seen in his letters at the time.

It's just not true that Tolkien did not see the two connected from the beginning. There's pretty strong evidence from Tolkien himself that they were, from the get go, pretty intertwined and related as early as Tolkien sitting down to get the Lord of the Rings started. The relationship between the two are really complex, made even more so with his earlier writings and later revisions to what became his mythology. It's also just not true about The Silmarillion. He didn't even try to get that published until after The Lord of the Rings was written. He didn't approach it as a thing to be published until the 1950s and it was literally the rest of his life's work to get it to be something able to be published.

Tolkien's goal was not, at any point, to get the Silmarillion published before The Lord of the Rings. He did not feel his mythology was in a place to be published even in the late 1950s. He certainly, and expressed as much in his letters, didn't feel it was ready before The Return of the King which was published in 1955. Both works had already been published (the Hobbit by more than two decades and The Lord of the Rings by a decade) before he ever turned to try and get his Silmarillion published which..ya know...he never did. He died in 1973 and The Silmarillion was published in 1977 by his son along with a ton of unfinished notes and addendums to previously written material.

There is also a creation myth (of a sort. It's sorta fractured but easily put together) for Hobbits from Tolkein himself. They are an offshoot of Man, separated when Mirkwood Forest was created and separated them from Man. The Prologue of Lord of the Rings says

Despite we are separated now, the hobbits are close kin to us; anyway, they are closer to us than Elves, and even from the dwarves. In the ancient days they spoke in the human tongues, with a special dialect, and the same habits like us they have, for good and bad.

The Rohirrim know of them, and call them by their old name, Holbytlan in The Road to Isengard. They descend from the Stoors who themselves have links to Man. They were specifically related to the Northmen, and Merry even is noted as spending the rest of his life writing on this connection. The book is Old Words and Names in the Shire. They're also noted as a Young Race (so not Dwarf of Elf or anything like that) and that they have The Gift of Man which only further cements that they are not a distinct race but are some form of Man.

DavidSh

2021-07-23, 07:42 AM

Various events took place in 1937. I quote from Christopher Tolkien, in an appendix to The Children of Hurin.

The Hobbit was published by George Allen and Unwin on 21 September of that year [1937], and not long afterwards, at the invitation of the publisher, my father sent in a number of his manuscripts, which were delivered in London on 15 November 1937. Among these was the Quenta Silmarillion, as far as it then went, ending in the middle of a sentence at the foot of a page.
...[ he continued further while the manuscripts were out ]...
My father had reached these words when the Quenta Silmarillion and the other manuscripts were returned to him; and three days later, on 19 December 1937, he wrote to Allen and Unwin saying: 'I have written the first chapter of a new story about Hobbits --"A long expected party".'

So, where there wasn't a complete submission, he clearly had interest in publishing Silmarillion material before he got started on The Lord of the Rings.

Razade

2021-07-23, 08:31 AM

Various events took place in 1937. I quote from Christopher Tolkien, in an appendix to The Children of Hurin.

So, where there wasn't a complete submission, he clearly had interest in publishing Silmarillion material before he got started on The Lord of the Rings.

But not as what it became or even close to it and, clearly, among those things were what would become The Lord of the Rings. So it's still fair to say that he didn't publish Lord of the Rings because no one would print his Silmarillion. He was already working on what would become Lord of the Rings at that point. This is just known stuff at this point and to sum up his publishing of Lord of the Rings as something he did because what he "really" wanted to publish couldn't be published is just a vast, stark characterization of facts. He didn't have The Silmarillion in total even before he died, let alone by 1954 when Lord of the Rings was published since he was working on Lord of the Rings as early as 1937 and the rest of the trilogy by 1949. In fact, we know that Tolkein originally wanted The Silmarillion to be published alongside the Trilogy. Not before it.

DavidSh

2021-07-23, 09:00 AM

The events as I imagine them were something like this:
He had been writing and reworking the Silmarillion material for quite some time, but never really finishing any of it.
He then wrote and had published The Hobbit.
The publishers then said to him. "That was good. Do you have anything else we might publish?"
He sent some stuff, including the Silmarillion material he had been working on, with the idea that he could produce a finished version if the publishers were interested.
The publishers looked at it, and said "Eh, do you have anything about hobbits?"
He sat down, thought a bit, and said to himself "I can do that".

Now you can provide quotes showing that I've got it all wrong.

Anonymouswizard

2021-07-23, 09:44 AM

Also, from what I've heard it took several attempts for the shape of The Lord of the Rings to come together, the original intention wasn't to link it to the mythology he was also working on. But masterworks are made in the edit, and eventually Sauron became the villain instead of the intended giant, and the modern quest template was born.

But yeah, from what I've heard early editions of The Hobbit included some minor elements that don't appear in the rest of the Legendirium, and are the key thing pointing towards the book not being originally intended as part of it.

Side note, I thought the reason hobbits didn't get an origin was because they're short Men. A common ancestor with the Rohirrim a couple of Ages back or the like.

Rater202

2021-07-23, 10:15 AM

The edition I have flat-out says that from the second edition onward major changes were made to the fifth chapter in order to tie it to Lord of the Rings which he was working on at the time.

And from what I've heard, Tolkien intended to make even more changes for a later edition but stopped after the revised first chapter was proofread by a friend who said "this is great but it's not The Hobbit anymore."

As far as I can tell, any other changes between editions relate to solely spelling and grammar.

Fyraltari

2021-07-23, 11:04 AM

Anonymouswizard

2021-07-23, 02:14 PM

Rater202

2021-07-23, 02:23 PM

Well a replacement for my preorder is on the way, theoretically arriving tomorrow and hopefully this time it won't be stolen by the time I get to the letterbox.

Still furious at this. It means that either one of the other people in the building is a thief, or is willing to let one in the building. Meanwhile, I'm down another £25.

Just give the word and, should the thief still be alive by then, I will have them killed upon my ascension to the grand ruler of the planet.

Joking aside, much suckage. Would you like a hug?

Anonymouswizard

2021-07-23, 02:45 PM

Just give the word and, should the thief still be alive by then, I will have them killed upon my ascension to the grand ruler of the planet.

Joking aside, much suckage. Would you like a hug?

Sadly if I could make a reasonable guess at who it is I'd have already contacted the landlord. I mean, it's a day later, everybody got informed it was missing last night, if it had been outside my door after work I'd just have assumed they picked it up by mistake and double checked their post.

Virtual hugs only, please. You have to buy me dinner for physical hug privileges.

Rater202

2021-07-24, 01:03 PM

I'll be making a homemade Lenom Rice soup today, if everything goes well. Will keep everyone posted on how it turns out.

I'm trying to get into the habit of cooking more "real" food, you know. It's basically why I started experimenting with things.

Anonymouswizard

2021-07-24, 01:50 PM

I'll be making a homemade Lenom Rice soup today,

Homemade Leman Russ? Don't you need a permit for tanks?

Yes, I know my eyesight is terrible. BUT YOU SHALL NEVER MAKE ME SWITCH TO BIG TEXT MODE!!!!!

Peelee

2021-07-24, 01:55 PM

Homemade Leman Russ? Don't you need a permit for tanks?

Yes, I know my eyesight is terrible. BUT YOU SHALL NEVER MAKE ME SWITCH TO BIG TEXT MODE!!!!!

Note to self, get Rawhide to set AW's profile to big text mode.

Rater202

2021-07-24, 01:58 PM

Homemade Leman Russ? Don't you need a permit for tanks?
I am far too critical of authority to respect such things.

I mean, if it's big deal illegal that's one thing, but ain't no guy in no suit gonna stop me from putting a quarter-inch steel armor, high traction tires, and a bulldowser blade on a retired school bus in case the zombie apocalypse happens and the authorities bungle it.

Granted, converting the bus to run without gasoline is the harder animal. Can you convert a bus to an electric power with solar roofing?

Anonymouswizard

2021-07-24, 02:18 PM

Granted, converting the bus to run without gasoline is the harder animal. Can you convert a bus to an electric power with solar roofing?

Technically yes. You just also have to replace the engine with an electric motor, and ideally add a large battery. Ideally solid, you don't want tanks of battery liquid sloshing around while you ram zombie raptors.

In all honesty it would be easier to just build an electric bus.

What I'd do is get one of those hydrogen powered buses. You can get fuel from electricity and water, can get good enough electricity from a bike dynamo (although refuelling might take a while, I haven't run the numbers), and in a pinch it's much easier to explode a hydrogen fuel cell than a battery. You can also set up a solar powered electrolysis station if you really want to.

Rater202

2021-07-24, 02:27 PM

Technically yes. You just also have to replace the engine with an electric motor, and ideally add a large battery. Ideally solid, you don't want tanks of battery liquid sloshing around while you ram zombie raptors.

In all honesty it would be easier to just build an electric bus.

What I'd do is get one of those hydrogen powered buses. You can get fuel from electricity and water, can get good enough electricity from a bike dynamo (although refuelling might take a while, I haven't run the numbers), and in a pinch it's much easier to explode a hydrogen fuel cell than a battery. You can also set up a solar powered electrolysis station if you really want to.

Probably, but building a bus from scratch might be more conspicuous that obtaining an old junker and fixing it up.

Yu do have a point about hydrogen power. I keep forgetting that that's a thing because it didn't ake off like everyone said it would.

Cazero

2021-07-24, 02:34 PM

Yu do have a point about hydrogen power. I keep forgetting that that's a thing because it didn't ake off like everyone said it would.
Of course it's not taking off. Remember the Hindenburg. We use helium now.

Peelee

2021-07-24, 04:06 PM

I am far too critical of authority to respect such things.

I mean, if it's big deal illegal that's one thing, but ain't no guy in no suit gonna stop me from....
I'm pretty sure that stopping you is exactly what they can do.

Of course it's not taking off. Remember the Hindenburg. We use helium now.

We used helium then. We just didn't want to give any to the Germans. And frankly, we should still be using hydrogen over helium.

Rater202

2021-07-24, 04:18 PM

I'm pretty sure that stopping you is exactly what they can do.

No, the guy in the suit can't stop you. They can threaten you, and if what you're doing is illegal they can sic the police on you, but the guy in the suit's power is limited to talking and if you're not actually doing anything wrong the worst they can do is force you to come before a judge and have a lawyer explain how the guy in the suit is wasting everyone's time.

And I don't think there's anything particularly illegal about buying an old junker bus and converting it into a mobile emergency shelter that runs on renewable energy. At least no where I live.

This is f course, assuming that you're not part of a HOA.

Peelee

2021-07-24, 04:26 PM

No, the guy in the suit can't stop you. They can threaten you, and if what you're doing is illegal they can sic the police on you, but the guy in the suit's power is limited to talking and if you're not actually doing anything wrong the worst they can do is force you to come before a judge and have a lawyer explain how the guy in the suit is wasting everyone's time.

And I don't think there's anything particularly illegal about buying an old junker bus and converting it into a mobile emergency shelter that runs on renewable energy. At least no where I live.

This is f course, assuming that you're not part of a HOA.

I assumed the guy in the suit was a lawyer or judge, in which case they can stop you by means of siccing the police on you. But even in the case of any given person in any give suit, they can likely still stop you themselves.

Rater202

2021-07-24, 04:42 PM

I assumed the guy in the suit was a lawyer or judge, in which case they can stop you by means of siccing the police on you. But even in the case of any given person in any give suit, they can likely still stop you themselves.

I was referring to a city clerk or perhaps some inspector coming buy who was tipped of by a nosey neighbor.

The kind of person who asks if you have permits to do things.

And it turns out that there are a lot of situations where you think you'd need a permit but don't actually need one... Though this is circumstnatial rather than general. do nto take anythign I am saying here as legal advice, thuroughly research your own situations before starting any major projects.

To use my hypothetical, as far as I know there's nothing stopping me from buying a retiered bus and converting it as I described, assuming I can aquire all the nessesary parts through legal channels. But doing the same with a mobile home would be illegal even with a permit, unless I first aquired a seperate non-residential property to park the home on and did the conversion and storage there.

The laws around where I live are weird and arbitrary.

In such a case where a permit is not required in order to elgally construct something, the approaite response to someone asking for a permit is to politely inform them that you've done the research and a permit is not needed in this specific case and to contact a lawyer if they keep pressing the issue.

Hence the qualifier "If it's big deal illegal that's one thing."

IE, I'm not talking about situations where if you do not have a proper permit you will either go to jail or pay an assload of money. I'm talking minor things that really aren't major issues.

Fyraltari

2021-07-24, 04:43 PM

Well, it finally happened, after eleven years of waiting: I've just watched the first Kaamelott movie in theater.

DavidSh

2021-07-24, 05:43 PM

Well, it finally happened, after eleven years of waiting: I've just watched the first Kaamelott movie in theater.

Would you post a review in the Media Discussions?
Myself, I'm preparing to watch The Green Knight when it comes out next week.

Rater202

2021-07-24, 08:09 PM

LaZodiac

2021-07-24, 11:23 PM

Update on lemon rice soup: My entire family is kind of baffled that the recipe called for shredded chicken breast.

Soup has a stronger lemon flavor than I'm used to, but is otherwise similar to restaurant quality.

Future cookings might omit the chicken and increase the amount of rice.

Seems like it went over well though?

Also; I don't usually do this but I got fan art of Rei, wooo! You can see it here! (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E7G8Up0WQAYu9F_.jpg:large)

Rater202

2021-07-25, 01:48 AM

Seems like it went over well though?Well, we went from four cups of it to having enough to fit into the bottom half of a left over plastic container from a chinese restaurant so I'm assuming everyone else liked it.

Also; I don't usually do this but I got fan art of Rei, wooo! You can see it here! (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E7G8Up0WQAYu9F_.jpg:large)

Don't feel bad. Someone once painted a scene from one of my fanfics and I was up all night from sheer excitement.

Fyraltari

2021-07-25, 03:53 AM

Would you post a review in the Media Discussions?

I don't think it warrants a thread on this forum. Kaamelott is a very French product that never got any traction in non-French speaking countries*. We'd end up being a couple of French people discussing it in English which, while droll, would be cumbersome.

*Sting is in it, though.

enderlord99

2021-07-25, 09:34 AM

Well, we went from four cups of it to having enough to fit into the bottom half of a left over plastic container from a chinese restaurant so I'm assuming everyone else liked it.

When you say "left over plastic container" do you mean a "plastic leftovers container" or "one of those tiny containers used for sauces, which happens to be left over"

Rater202

2021-07-25, 10:00 AM

When you say "left over plastic container" do you mean a "plastic leftovers container" or "one of those tiny containers used for sauces, which happens to be left over"The chinese restaurant we order from uses cheap but reusable plastic containers for carry out orders of egg drop soup.

Since they are reusable, we hsve and reuse them.

A container that when full holds about four servings of soup is now half full of the soup I made last night.

From a recipe, ttat makes 6-8 servings.

Anonymouswizard

2021-07-25, 01:11 PM

I have a burning desire to get a modern gaming PC and stick it in an 80s IBM case with a Model M keyboard and 4:3 monitor.

My desires are weird.

Sadly I don't have space in the flat for two computer desks, so can't even do my backup desire of using the IBM case for a 2000s era gaming PC more suited to a 4:3 monitor.

Not that I have an IBM case.

Rater202

2021-07-26, 07:51 AM

Anonymouswizard

2021-07-26, 09:44 AM

In 2004, Hideo Kojima won G4's "Legend Award" for his work on the Metal Gear series and other games.

The award was presented to him by Stan Lee, who dressed in a Revolver Ocelot cosplay for the occasion.

This is a fact that I think needs to be common knowledge.

I have no idea what G4 or this award is, so my brain condensed this to 'comics man gave video games man award while in video game outfit'.

Rater202

2021-07-26, 09:47 AM

I have no idea what G4 or this award is, so my brain condensed this to 'comics man gave video games man award while in video game outfit'.

G4 was a network that did tech and gaming content. Back in 2004, they did an award show for gaming creators.

Peelee

2021-07-26, 11:39 AM

G4 was a network that did tech and gaming content. Back in 2004, they did an award show for gaming creators.

None of that means anything to me. I'm the sense that I don't give any weight to such an award, not that I don't understand what is happening, that is. So I would disagree with the mandate of it being to be common knowledge.

Cazero

2021-07-26, 12:28 PM

Look guys, the important thing here is that Stan Lee cosplayed as Revolver Ocelot. Cosplay is cool now.
Always has been, really, but you know how it is with normies...

Anonymouswizard

2021-07-26, 12:58 PM

Look guys, the important thing here is that Stan Lee cosplayed as Revolver Ocelot. Cosplay is cool now.

Stanley is cool? Stanley who?

Fyraltari

2021-07-26, 01:05 PM

Stanley who?

His name is "The Stanley".

Rater202

2021-07-26, 01:06 PM

Anyway, last night I slept from like 4:40 to like, one in the morning.

And I had the weirdest dream. If I'm remembering it correctly... I'd managed to turn myself into a symbiote dragon, but then Earth got invaded by the Reapers from Mass Effect, and I was able to fight them off by folding myself down to the size of a cat, crawling into Metal Gear style sneaking box, and thinking about them going away really hard.

Also, I think I fell asleep in the dream.

I'm not asking for help, but I think I need help.

Fyraltari

2021-07-26, 01:26 PM

Rater202

2021-07-26, 01:28 PM

I mean, if you think you need help by all means, get it if you can, but I struggle to see what in this dream you find so worrisome.

1: Comedic exaggeration is a thing.

2: My obsessions are infecting my subconscious mind.

Fyraltari

2021-07-26, 01:32 PM

1: Comedic exaggeration is a thing.

2: My obsessions are infecting my subconscious mind.

No, that's where they come from.

I mean, you had a dream about the things you feel strongly about, that's entirely normal.

Rater202

2021-07-26, 04:54 PM

No, that's where they come from.

I mean, you had a dream about the things you feel strongly about, that's entirely normal.

Again, comedic exaggeration. The bit about needing help was a joke.

Though I will admit that normally when I have dreams that I remember, they're more "normal" dreams like being back in high school all of a sudden.

Or the one where you're picking your teeth and then one snaps cleanly in half.

Or the one where you're flying.

Or the one where you accidentally kill your cat and then when you wake up you're upset until you can physically hold the kitty.

Relatedly, the one where you get woken up by your beloved pet and then you wake up for real and remember you had to put them down a few days... Weeks... Months... Years ago.

That one last one sucks.

You ever have the one where you're beating the crap out of someone who used to pick on you while uplifting, heroic-sounding music plays and a crowd is cheering you on?

DataNinja

2021-07-26, 07:22 PM

Most of my dreams tend to be mundane and recognizable with just the touch of the bizarre. And then one or more people tend to die at the end. Often including me. It's, uh, mildly concerning, but probably nothing. :smalltongue:

Beeftank

2021-07-26, 08:42 PM

Lacco

2021-07-27, 01:45 AM

Again, comedic exaggeration. The bit about needing help was a joke.

Or maybe it was your subconscious, asking for help. Who knows? :smallwink:

You ever have the one where you're beating the crap out of someone who used to pick on you while uplifting, heroic-sounding music plays and a crowd is cheering you on?

Well, no.

A daydream? Yeah. Been there, done that, got the T-shirt.

At night? Nope. Also, got rid of the whole "revenge fantasy" idea long ago - met the bully few years later and found out their life was so miserable, I actually felt like crap wanting to for making their life even more miserable with my revenge ideas. Got my closure and started to fill my time with things that actually felt good.

I once had a dream where I was married and I kept trying to get away from my wife because I was afraid she was going to “Midsomar” me. I haven’t seen the movie, so I don’t know what that could have meant, either in dream or out, but I knew it couldn’t be anything good.

I once had a dream, where I got really intimate with my best friends' wife. The situation was rather unsettling - I never liked her, never felt any attraction to her, and my friend was there, cheering for me. Woke up sweating, terrified out of my mind.

Funny thing, my dreams seldom get violent. Usually they are just bizarre at best, but most of the time I either do not dream or do not remember anything. I get like one nightmare per one or two years.

Cazero

2021-07-27, 01:53 AM

I had a dream where I was interrupted in the loo by Jeff Goldblum. So I slammed the door shut, resumed my business, and woke up pissing myself.
Boy do I have conflicted feelings about that one. On the one hand, peeing in bed lose all it's charm in your thirties. On the other hand, it's retrospectively hilarious.

Tarmor

2021-07-27, 04:33 AM

I hate the dreams of being back in school, usually high school (sometimes University) and I'm either missing clothes (or wearing something completely ridiculous), running late, or don't have papers/books that I need. Thankfully, in most of these dreams I realise that I have already finished school and don't need to be there or do any of this anymore... and wake up.

I have on occasion got violent in a dream, trying to kick or punch someone or something that is threatening/dangerous. My dream combat ability is pitiful, but I have woken myself up in the process of kicking or trying to swing my arms around. I've kicked my wife once (waking both of us up), and another time narrowly missed a large window on my side of the bed.

Tvtyrant

2021-07-27, 04:37 AM

I used to have fairly terrible night terrors as a young man, but more of the "it turns out you are made of puzzle pieces that keep falling off and actually the puzzle pieces are living spiders." Or "the tooth fairy is a horrible monster that hunts people down and rips out their teeth with pliers."

Anonymouswizard

2021-07-27, 04:39 AM

I once had a dream where I was married and I kept trying to get away from my wife because I was afraid she was going to “Midsomar” me. I haven’t seen the movie, so I don’t know what that could have meant, either in dream or out, but I knew it couldn’t be anything good.

Are you sure you weren't going to be Midsomered (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midsomer_Murders)?

Form

2021-07-27, 05:26 AM

I once had a dream where I was married and I kept trying to get away from my wife because I was afraid she was going to “Midsomar” me. I haven’t seen the movie, so I don’t know what that could have meant, either in dream or out, but I knew it couldn’t be anything good.

I think that was a horror movie, so it was probably something murdery.

I had a dream where I was interrupted in the loo by Jeff Goldblum. So I slammed the door shut, resumed my business, and woke up pissing myself.
Boy do I have conflicted feelings about that one. On the one hand, peeing in bed lose all it's charm in your thirties. On the other hand, it's retrospectively hilarious.

Damn, I didn't know Jeff Goldblum had those kind of powers. Also, talk about really not respecting someone's boundaries: interrupting them on the toilet and breaking into someone's dream to do so. :smalltongue:

Murk

2021-07-27, 08:22 AM

I hate the dreams of being back in school, usually high school (sometimes University) and I'm either missing clothes (or wearing something completely ridiculous), running late, or don't have papers/books that I need. Thankfully, in most of these dreams I realise that I have already finished school and don't need to be there or do any of this anymore... and wake up.

Oh yes!
I think these dreams are fairly common, and I think it doesn't speak well for a schooling system when it's so stressful and traumatic that people still get nightmares about it decades later.

Like... I've never once had a nightmare about any job I have ever had. But having to go back to school - that's a reocurring nightmare.
It's why I'm always confused when people tell me adult life is supposedly harder or more stressful than being a school-age child.

Rater202

2021-07-27, 08:30 AM

Oh yes!
I think these dreams are fairly common, and I think it doesn't speak well for a schooling system when it's so stressful and traumatic that people still get nightmares about it decades later.

Like... I've never once had a nightmare about any job I have ever had. But having to go back to school - that's a reocurring nightmare.
It's why I'm always confused when people tell me adult life is supposedly harder or more stressful than being a school-age child.

In my experience, the only difference between school and the real world is that nobody gives a crap how well you do as long as the work gets done and you're allowed to tell bullies to **** off or engage in violence in self-defense.

As opposed to school where someone can, with no provocation, shove you into someone else, that person can shove you back, then you get yelled at for roughhousing by a lunch lady who saw the whole damn thing play out.

You still can't do anything if someone in a position of authority decides to be a jackass without getting in deeper trouble unless someone higher up on the totem pole takes your side, but you can't have everything.

Murk

2021-07-27, 09:48 AM

You still can't do anything if someone in a position of authority decides to be a jackass without getting in deeper trouble unless someone higher up on the totem pole takes your side, but you can't have everything.

You can walk away.
Maybe it's my privilige speaking that I think "If my boss is a jackass I'll find another job", but there's always the option to quit. School didn't even offer that option.

Also, jackasses exist plenty, but at least in adult life you're paid to deal with them. In school you had to deal with just as much jackasses and you didn't even get money for it (depending on where you live you might even had paid for it yourself!)

DavidSh

2021-07-27, 09:51 AM

I think the deal with school dreams is that school was important part of most of our lives, so we dream about it. But the part of our minds that make up details isn't that good, so eventually you will notice that you don't have any memories of having been to class recently, so that means you must have been missing class, which isn't good. Also, knowledge of how you are actually dressed (or undressed) for sleep seeps through to your dream, so you realize that you aren't appropriately dressed for school (at least most schools). Again, if you have a full bladder that knowledge seeps in, and you can end up looking for a place for relief.

For "you", read "me". I don't know how other people dream, but I have dreams of college and graduate school from time to time.

Rater202

2021-07-27, 10:05 AM

You can walk away.
Maybe it's my privilige speaking that I think "If my boss is a jackass I'll find another job", but there's always the option to quit. School didn't even offer that option.

Also, jackasses exist plenty, but at least in adult life you're paid to deal with them. In school you had to deal with just as much jackasses and you didn't even get money for it (depending on where you live you might even had paid for it yourself!)

Surprisingly few people have the luxury of being able to say "tea this job and shove it" and odds are good that any similar job you're eventually gonna run into a similar jackass.

If you don't have a fallback plan your options are to report their ill conduct to someone higher up and hope it doesn't backfire on you or to sit there and take it until you either find a better job or something that gives you power over the jackass.

Form

2021-07-27, 11:01 AM

If only I knew what rat bastard threw the plastic packaging of their takeaway food out on the public lawn, so I could yell at them and report them to the HOA. If only I could find out. If only I could visit some consequences on them. A pox on them and their House.

I've cleaned it up for now. Hopefully I won't have to do that again for a while.

Jasdoif

2021-07-27, 01:16 PM

I once had a dream where I was married and I kept trying to get away from my wife because I was afraid she was going to “Midsomar” me. I haven’t seen the movie, so I don’t know what that could have meant, either in dream or out, but I knew it couldn’t be anything good.Are you sure you weren't going to be Midsomered (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midsomer_Murders)?Fortunately there's an easy test for this one: Did you, or did you not, hear a theremin (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0NVb25p1oU) in the background?

Beeftank

2021-07-27, 04:00 PM

Nope, no theremin in the background. Maybe she would have just killed me instead of weird culty stuff. What a relief.

Jasdoif

2021-07-27, 04:38 PM

Nope, no theremin in the background. Maybe she would have just killed me instead of weird culty stuff. What a relief.Other way around, I'm afraid; the use of a theremin, a very clearly sci-fi-sound-y instrument, in the music of the certainly-not-that-genre Midsomer Murders is rather distinctive. Then again, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence....

Rater202

2021-07-27, 05:13 PM

A web game I used to play had an entire saga about the origins of Vampires and Werewolves*, attempts at hybridizing them, and attempts to combine their powers with that of dragons.

The game had it's own attendant forum with comments by the writers on the intent behind certain decisions and in-universe lore that didn't make it into the final game but was still considered semi-canon.

The gist of it was that the appeal of being a hybrid was that it didn't nessesarily make you stronger in the short term: a Vampire-Werewolf Hybrid has half the power of a Vampire and Half the power of a Werewolf... But also has half the respective weaknesses. It's also noted that powers and weaknesses combine and overlap: I think I recall a mention that a vampire's weakness to blessed silver overwrote a werewolf's weakness to silver in general.

And with strengths... Well, in this setting werewolf regeneration is sort of a "wolverine" type situation, it doesn't just regrow flesh, it fixes things at a subcellular level, so a powerful enough werewolf will forever be in the prime of their youth—The 'patient zero' of this kind of Lycanthropy, hasn't aged since he was infected over 900 years ago with other werewolves implied to have been infected by him directly also being noted to be about t that old)—through, not every werewolf is su and vampires it seems don't need to consume blood or lifeforce, but doing so seems to slow their aging and consuming in excess of what they need heals their wounds and makes them temporarily stronger, with an implication that truly impressive feeding frenzies or feeding on powerful blood can make the boost permanent.

I'm sure you can see the synergy there.

It's noted that both vampires and werewolves can grow stronger and develop new abilities by training... But for Werewolves, once they max out their "werewolfiness" the only way to get stronger is the way humans do, and if their healing factor doesn't grow strong enough they'll eventually peak and start to degrade as a factor of old age. Vampires, even if they age, are constantly growing stronger because, as necrotic lifeforms, their negatively charged lifeforce grows stronger instead of depleting over time. By tying the vampire powers and werewolf powers together, even though you're only half as strong as you would have been if you were a pure werewolf, over time you'll eventually outstrip any pure werewolf. Eventually.

Throwing dragon blood into the mix powers up other abilities and grants a breath weapon and the ability to slice things apart with dragon wings, but makes you vulnerable to dragon weaknesses. It's also implied that in this specific case, you gain a dragon's ability to passively absorb magic and elemental energy, meaning that you're getting stronger from the passage of time in two ways, but no hybrids of dragon and either vampire or werewolf, or both,are old enough for that to matter.

So, if you're about to properly hybridize into all three, from strong enough sources of the infections... Basically, you are vulnerable to two specific metals but otherwise have none of the "traditional" weaknesses of either vampires or werewolves due to a combination of vampires being a pretty lax on rules in the setting, the specific kind of werewolf involved being actively engineered to have as few drawbacks as possible, and the combination of powers actively negating most of each other's weaknesses.

That sounds like a good way to be, right? Like, sunlight doesn't really seem to be an issue so, like...

Right? That seems like a good alternative to being a full dragon, since you can still assume humanlike form and interact as a person.

*Vampires are a naturally occurring part of the setting and it seems like there's only one kind, but werewolves come in a variety of types, though all but one of them ultimately trace their origins to a society of dragon blooded humanoids using genetic engineering and magic to try and turn captured humans into super-soldiers, with the faction the player has the most experience with being a 'perfected breed' created by a third party after previous experiments escaped quarantine.

Anonymouswizard

2021-07-28, 05:09 PM

Other way around, I'm afraid; the use of a theremin, a very clearly sci-fi-sound-y instrument, in the music of the certainly-not-that-genre Midsomer Murders is rather distinctive. Then again, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence....

I mean, the secondary check is if any nearby villages have been completely depopulated over the last two decades, and your popularity in Denmark. Neither of which really apply to dreams.

Rater202

2021-07-28, 11:37 PM

Mystic Muse

2021-07-28, 11:46 PM

Video's title: What was the meal you hated as a kid?

What I expect: "my parents always boiled the hell out of broccoli" or "mom did not know how to make a good meatloaf." You know, standard stuff.

What I got: "I badly injured my jaw because we ate tough, rubbery moose meat for literally every meal my entire childhood even when we had alternatives and my parents still won't hear a bad thing about moose meat" and "my parents repeatedly forced me to eat food that made me break out in rashes" and "every day at six in the moring my parents would force-feed me a raw egg."

I've got to stop watching these things. I go in expecting humorous anecdotes and I get stories about people who were abused as children but who don't seem to realize they were abused as children.

Yeah, I occasionally read or listen to Reddit posts (there are video compilations on youtube) and I like the ones with some level of humor, or vindication on the part of the poster. The ones that are just depressing suck.

Anonymouswizard

2021-07-29, 03:34 AM

Video's title: What was the meal you hated as a kid?

What I expect: "my parents always boiled the hell out of broccoli" or "mom did not know how to make a good meatloaf." You know, standard stuff.

What I got: "I badly injured my jaw because we ate tough, rubbery moose meat for literally every meal my entire childhood even when we had alternatives and my parents still won't hear a bad thing about moose meat" and "my parents repeatedly forced me to eat food that made me break out in rashes" and "every day at six in the moring my parents would force-feed me a raw egg.

And here I was hoping for some levity with 'every day my mother would feed me a big ole bowl of Sauerkraut for breakfast'. No such luck.

But yeah, that's just legitimately horrible. This sounded like it could have been a friendly 'when I was four I would only eat meat and bread' laugh at ourselves. Which I could have used as I've stopped listening to Reddit comment compilations, I realised that the ones I liked primarily involved laughing at people for their behaviour.

Form

2021-07-29, 05:07 AM

Video's title: What was the meal you hated as a kid?

What I expect: "my parents always boiled the hell out of broccoli" or "mom did not know how to make a good meatloaf." You know, standard stuff.

What I got: "I badly injured my jaw because we ate tough, rubbery moose meat for literally every meal my entire childhood even when we had alternatives and my parents still won't hear a bad thing about moose meat" and "my parents repeatedly forced me to eat food that made me break out in rashes" and "every day at six in the moring my parents would force-feed me a raw egg."

I've got to stop watching these things. I go in expecting humorous anecdotes and I get stories about people who were abused as children but who don't seem to realize they were abused as children.

I'd take those stories with a grain of salt. Good for entertainment purposes, though.

I've recently taken to listening to creepy pastas myself, often just before going to bed, which is perhaps not the best time for them.

On another note: Apparently at work someone decided to overrule a decision I made earlier and it has resulted in a big problem. I've got this smug 'I told you so' feeling now and have half a mind to raise a big stink over this as an example of what happens when they don't listen to me, but it's probably best if I don't. Hopefully they'll learn from it nonetheless, but I'm not getting my hopes up.

Peelee

2021-07-29, 05:25 AM

I'd take those stories with a grain of salt. Good for entertainment purposes, though.

Aye. Stories like "my mom's meatloaf was bad" aren't going to rise to the top on reddit, let alone make it into a YouTube compilation. At least, not unless it's stretched out a bit and your dad beats you with some jumper cables.

Anonymouswizard

2021-07-29, 05:57 AM

Aye. Stories like "my mom's meatloaf was bad" aren't going to rise to the top on reddit, let alone make it into a YouTube compilation. At least, not unless it's stretched out a bit and your dad beats you with some jumper cables.

There's probably an amount of legit misremembering as well, our brains are weird.

My earliest memory is of climbing into bed in third person view. I'm about 98% certain I came up with it after playing Tomb Raider and convinced young me it was true.

My actual earliest clearish memory is from Nursery. It was either when Father Christmas came to visit or the outing to catch a train and then immediately come back on the same train. I can't actually remember if the latter was in autumn or spring/summer.

Rater202

2021-07-29, 06:42 AM

Qwertystop

2021-07-29, 07:47 AM

When I was a kid, one time we had some of the neighbors over for dinner, and their youngest was astonished that when my mom made broccoli, it was still green when it was done cooking.

LaZodiac

2021-07-29, 08:25 AM

When I was a kid, one time we had some of the neighbors over for dinner, and their youngest was astonished that when my mom made broccoli, it was still green when it was done cooking.

That is genuinely horrifying.

My hope is that, beyond all hope, they confused broccoli and cauliflower.

Anonymouswizard

2021-07-29, 08:29 AM

When I was a kid, one time we had some of the neighbors over for dinner, and their youngest was astonished that when my mom made broccoli, it was still green when it was done cooking.

Sounds suspicious, everybody knows that green things are both mouldy and radioactive :smalltongue:

It still astonishes me that some people don't consider 'everthing touching the pan since I stirred it half an hour ago is carbon' as food being burnt.

Rater202

2021-07-29, 08:37 AM

That is genuinely horrifying.

My hope is that, beyond all hope, they confused broccoli and cauliflower.

Broccoli turns yellow if you boil or steam it for too long.

Not only will this make the broccoli both smell and taste like a rancid fart, but by the time it's turned yellow only negligible amount of the vitamins and minerals that you eat broccoli to get in the first place remain: Not only is it unpleasant, but something healthy has been turned into empty carbs.

Well, I mean, the fiber is unaffected, but there are better ways to get fiber than overcooked broccoli.

Keltest

2021-07-29, 08:54 AM

Sounds suspicious, everybody knows that green things are both mouldy and radioactive :smalltongue:

It still astonishes me that some people don't consider 'everthing touching the pan since I stirred it half an hour ago is carbon' as food being burnt.

Food is only burnt if its that way all the way through. If its only the part in contact with the pan, thats just a healthy coating of char. Adds texture.

Peelee

2021-07-29, 11:37 AM

Creepy stories are something else entirely. Those I still enjoy.

I like those "two-sentence horror stories."

"Your daughter is such a sweet little girl," my second wife said as we enjoyed a dinner of her homemade stew. "Yeah," I agreed, "she's... where is she?"

My baby won't stop crying and screaming in the middle of the night. I visit her grave and ask her to stop, but it doesn't help.

Rater202

2021-07-29, 12:17 PM

My baby won't stop crying and screaming in the middle of the night. I visit her grave and ask her to stop, but it doesn't help.

That one's a classic. Here's one I read a few months ago.

I never thought it was that weird that my family ate roadkill. Then my sister got hit by a car.

And some originals.

It was only after I finished my slice of cake that my aunt turned to my mother and said 'see, I told you allergies were fake.' I began to panic as I felt my body begin to react to the peanuts she'd poisoned me with but he simply replied 'stop being dramatic.'

The fact that my dashcam was inarguable proof that the other man had deliberately jumped in front of my car as I drove downhill should have gotten me acquitted. And yet here I sit in my cell, all appeals denied, waiting for my date with the needle.

Mystic Muse

2021-07-29, 12:52 PM

.

And some originals.

It was only after I finished my slice of cake that my aunt turned to my mother and said 'see, I told you allergies were fake.' I began to panic as I felt my body begin to react to the peanuts she'd poisoned me with but he simply replied 'stop being dramatic.'

The fact that my dashcam was inarguable proof that the other man had deliberately jumped in front of my car as I drove downhill should have gotten me acquitted. And yet here I sit in my cell, all appeals denied, waiting for my date with the needle.

I'll be honest, neither of these really have the punch the examples do. I'm not entirely sure I get the point of the first one.

enderlord99

2021-07-29, 01:01 PM

Rater, the point of two-sentence horror is the twist; those ones have no twist.

Bartmanhomer

2021-07-29, 01:28 PM

So anyway a few minutes ago I went to my doctor to check my vials. So I went to the scale and I weight 214 pounds. Last time it was 214 pounds! I was like wait, what? :confused:

Tvtyrant

2021-07-29, 01:38 PM

I'll be honest, neither of these really have the punch the examples do. I'm not entirely sure I get the point of the first one.

They eat the sister. It's pretty funny, reminds me of a 50s horror movie.

"I heard my Mom calling my down stairs, and then her behind me "don't got down there, I heard it too."

Rater202

2021-07-29, 01:47 PM

I'll be honest, neither of these really have the punch the examples do. I'm not entirely sure I get the point of the first one.

People in real life have died or been seriously injured because a friend or relative didn't believe that they were deathly allergic to something, and it's not uncommon for allergy deniers to assume that the start of a bad anaphylactic reaction to be "drama" or "faking."

The second is an innocent man being sentenced to death despite evidence because someone chose to commit suicide by jumping in front of a car. Sometimes in real life, an innocent person gets convicted and faces a harsh sentence even when they have proof of innocence, though this is an exaggerated example.

Not every horror story involves the supernatural or some crazed psycho-killer. Sometimes the best horror stories are the ones that can plausibly happen in real life.

But if you disagree

"I told you I didn't want a baby brother," the little girl said to her parents. "So I gave him back to the stork."

I searched under the bed for the source of the strange noise and found a hideous creature hiding there. "Shoosh," it said, "don't let it know I'm here."

I had to quit my job at the clothing store. After five consecutive night shifts, I could have sworn the mannequins were crying.

"What's the weirdest thing I've run into in my job?" the county coroner replied. "Well, last night I had to perform an autopsy on a body that looked an awful lot like... You."

"Good news," the doctor said as he and the nurse looked through my chart, "we found a donor heart." "But, doctor," I replied, "my heart is fine."

Last night I dreamt I was eating a giant marshmallow. When I woke up, my husband was gone.

My mother is a terrible cook. I keep finding teeth in her meatloaf.

Mystic Muse

2021-07-29, 02:03 PM

They eat the sister. It's pretty funny, reminds me of a 50s horror movie.

"I heard my Mom calling my down stairs, and then her behind me "don't got down there, I heard it too."

I meant the allergy one.

People in real life have died or been seriously injured because a friend or relative didn't believe that they were deathly allergic to something, and it's not uncommon for allergy deniers to assume that the start of a bad anaphylactic reaction to be "drama" or "faking."

The second is an innocent man being sentenced to death despite evidence because someone chose to commit suicide by jumping in front of a car. Sometimes in real life, an innocent person gets convicted and faces a harsh sentence even when they have proof of innocence, though this is an exaggerated example.

Not every horror story involves the supernatural or some crazed psycho-killer. Sometimes the best horror stories are the ones that can plausibly happen in real life. I'm aware. Hell, I just watched a reddit video about people not believing or disregarding allergies. I'm not saying they have to involve the supernatural or psycho killers, but neither of those stories have the twist that seems to be part of the structure of the two sentence horror story.

Qwertystop

2021-07-29, 05:06 PM

Yeah; I would say that those are scary situations, but not horror stories.

Anonymouswizard

2021-07-29, 05:38 PM

Yeah, a horror story needs not only a scary situation but also a ramp up in tension and suspense. Ideally leaving just enough to the reader/watcher's imagination for them to fill in the details.

Also turns out that people cutting themselves is a great way to make me uncomfortable. Thanks The Thing.

factotum

2021-07-29, 10:06 PM

There's an entire subreddit devoted to two sentence horror stories:

http://www.reddit.com/r/twosentencehorror

(Obviously, potentially NSFW, click at your own risk etc)

Or, if that's a bit scary, try this one instead:

http://www.reddit.com/r/illegallysmolcats

Peelee

2021-07-30, 06:48 AM

Rater202

2021-07-30, 07:06 AM

You ever have one of those days where you wake up and you feel like you should be doing something but you don't want to do anything?

Lacco

2021-07-30, 07:10 AM

You ever have one of those days where you wake up and you feel like you should be doing something but you don't want to do anything?

Only every day starting with letter T.
Tuesday.
Thursday.
Tomorrow.
Today.

Why? :smallwink:

Just joking. I always want do do something, but usually not what I need/have to do (e.g. go to work, buy groceries, take care of my daughter's pet snail).

factotum

2021-07-30, 10:38 AM

You ever have one of those days where you wake up and you feel like you should be doing something but you don't want to do anything?

Recently, all the time, but I think that's the chemo talking...

Anonymouswizard

2021-07-30, 10:48 AM

Also, the best ones are pithy. No abundance of clauses, no independent clauses masked by dialogue, just elegant in their simplicity. For example, one of the most famous examples is also one of the shortest (possible the shortest): For sale, baby shoes. Never worn.

So they accidentally bought one size too small. Not seeing how this is a horror story.

Or, the last man in the world sat in a room. There was a knock at the door.

Yeah, that's a cool hook for the opening of a story. Shame the writer never actually wrote the story itself.

Peelee

2021-07-30, 10:53 AM

So they accidentally bought one size too small. Not seeing how this is a horror story.

Having had a baby, I can say with a fair amount of certainty that unless the were expecting a premie, it's pretty hard to get newborn stuff in a size too small.

Anonymouswizard

2021-07-30, 12:06 PM

Having had a baby, I can say with a fair amount of certainty that unless the were expecting a premie, it's pretty hard to get newborn stuff in a size too small.

Why are we presuming a newborn? Could be five months old, I hear they grow pretty fast.

My point is, the horror/sadness of the 'story' is based on information that we aren't given. There are multiple reasons that somebody might be advertising unworn baby shoes, maybe they're starting a company selling designer baby clothes and don't have the money for competent advertisers. But we're supposed to jump to a specific explanation, which I don't.

Peelee

2021-07-30, 12:09 PM

Why are we presuming a newborn? Could be five months old, I hear they grow pretty fast.

My point is, the horror/sadness of the 'story' is based on information that we aren't given. There are multiple reasons that somebody might be advertising unworn baby shoes, maybe they're starting a company selling designer baby clothes and don't have the money for competent advertisers. But we're supposed to jump to a specific explanation, which I don't.

The implication that the baby died is pretty clear, IMO. Like, sure, it could be a makeshift company doing a very poorly thought out advertisement, but I'd imagine most people would likely to go the more sombre theory right off the bat.

Keltest

2021-07-30, 12:18 PM

The implication that the baby died is pretty clear, IMO. Like, sure, it could be a makeshift company doing a very poorly thought out advertisement, but I'd imagine most people would likely to go the more sombre theory right off the bat.

I think without the context of "this is supposed to be really gallows humor", i probably wouldnt assume anything unpleasant about that. Some people just get shoes they didnt end up using, you know?

Peelee

2021-07-30, 12:43 PM

I think without the context of "this is supposed to be really gallows humor", i probably wouldnt assume anything unpleasant about that. Some people just get shoes they didnt end up using, you know?

I'm not going to die on this hill about what it likely means to any given person. But for me, I immediately got the intent, is all I'm saying.

Also,i wouldn't classify it as gallows humor.

Anonymouswizard

2021-07-30, 12:46 PM

The implication that the baby died is pretty clear, IMO. Like, sure, it could be a makeshift company doing a very poorly thought out advertisement, but I'd imagine most people would likely to go the more sombre theory right off the bat.

Or maybe the creator of the advert bought some baby shoes delivered by mail, but between the order and the arrival their pregnant partner broke up with them and has used legal means to ensure the author can never see the baby.

Sure it's a bit out there, but the text doesn't support any specific interpretation. We know that 1) there are baby shoes, 3) the owner has no use for them, and 3) they have never been worn. It's just as logical to assume that one parent bought shoes that another didn't like.

Like, at least 'The last (Hu)man on earth sat in a room. There was a knock on the door.' provides context. There aren't other humans about, and we don't usually expect nonhumans to knock. It could use more but it's at least some context.

Rater202

2021-07-30, 01:01 PM

I saw the baby shoes one in a college level English class.

It wasn't classified as a horror story though.

The way the lesson framed it, the intent was to tell a story without telling a story, using only six words.

For example: "I thought he was my friend."

Keltest

2021-07-30, 01:03 PM

Tvtyrant

2021-07-30, 01:33 PM

Or maybe the creator of the advert bought some baby shoes delivered by mail, but between the order and the arrival their pregnant partner broke up with them and has used legal means to ensure the author can never see the baby.

Sure it's a bit out there, but the text doesn't support any specific interpretation. We know that 1) there are baby shoes, 3) the owner has no use for them, and 3) they have never been worn. It's just as logical to assume that one parent bought shoes that another didn't like.

Like, at least 'The last (Hu)man on earth sat in a room. There was a knock on the door.' provides context. There aren't other humans about, and we don't usually expect nonhumans to knock. It could use more but it's at least some context.

Ernest Hemmingway supposedly won a fair amount of money off the shoe story. It was based on a news article about the subject that was being run at the time, about how there are seemingly innocuous advertisements that are lenses into the life of strangers.

As for brevity increasing the probability of misinformation, that is hardly news. There is a whole philosophical school about how statements become less information and more assumption as they get shorter. Like "how are you" is often just a greeting and would be an imposition if they started telling you anything but a canned " fine thanks."

Rater202

2021-07-30, 01:48 PM

As for brevity increasing the probability of misinformation, that is hardly news. There is a whole philosophical school about how statements become less information and more assumption as they get shorter. Like "how are you" is often just a greeting and would be an imposition if they started telling you anything but a canned " fine thanks."There's a brief tangent early on in The Hobbit about the various meanings that the greating "good morning" can have.

Lacco

2021-07-30, 02:05 PM

"I didn't know it was flammable."

This is fun.

Hungry. Starving. Empty. HUNGRY. Kids! Sated.

Yup. Six words.

We could make it into message game.

Form

2021-07-30, 02:16 PM

Or maybe the creator of the advert bought some baby shoes delivered by mail, but between the order and the arrival their pregnant partner broke up with them and has used legal means to ensure the author can never see the baby.

Sure it's a bit out there, but the text doesn't support any specific interpretation. We know that 1) there are baby shoes, 3) the owner has no use for them, and 3) they have never been worn. It's just as logical to assume that one parent bought shoes that another didn't like.

Yeah, but you're kind of ignoring the context of the 2 line horror stories conversation in this thread in which these particular lines were mentioned. That is context too and it implies a more depressing interpretation. I think I heard it before as well and widespread cultural familiarity would count too as relevant context.

Hungry. Starving. Empty. HUNGRY. Kids! Sated.

Yup. Six words.

We could make it into message game.

I take this to mean you devoured your children. I suppose we wouldn't be the only species to do so. :smalltongue:

Anonymouswizard

2021-07-30, 02:16 PM

Suddenly her knickers hit the floor.

Thought I'd try something a little more upbeat.

Mystic Muse

2021-07-30, 02:58 PM

I play Pathfinder with friends tomorrow.

Bartmanhomer

2021-07-30, 03:00 PM

I play Pathfinder with friends tomorrow.

Cool. Happy gaming. :smile:

Mystic Muse

2021-07-30, 03:08 PM

Cool. Happy gaming. :smile:

It was supposed to be a joke about the 6 word stories.

But it's also accurate. New campaign and enjoying it so far.

Playing an evil character for once. A Tiefling lawyer (class is bard) who worships Mephistopheles. Her goal is to become a succubus (still find it weird they're demons and not devils), and maybe eventually rule her own little corner of hell. If not that, at least a very comfy house with a bunch of incubus friends.

Bartmanhomer

2021-07-30, 03:33 PM

It was supposed to be a joke about the 6 word stories.

But it's also accurate. New campaign and enjoying it so far.

Playing an evil character for once. A Tiefling lawyer (class is bard) who worships Mephistopheles. Her goal is to become a succubus (still find it weird they're demons and not devils), and maybe eventually rule her own little corner of hell. If not that, at least a very comfy house with a bunch of incubus friends.I didn't know it was a joke. Good joke though. :smile:

Anonymouswizard

2021-07-30, 05:00 PM

Playing an evil character for once. A Tiefling lawyer (class is bard) who worships Mephistopheles. Her goal is to become a succubus (still find it weird they're demons and not devils), and maybe eventually rule her own little corner of hell. If not that, at least a very comfy house with a bunch of incubus friends.

Neat character. Although I do now find myself wondering what the Celestial counterpart to succubi are.

I really need to get an online group together, but I'll need to work out what I'll try to run. Would need to be relatively simple, and most likely science fiction because I've played far more fantasy games.

Rater202

2021-07-30, 05:16 PM

Neat character. Although I do now find myself wondering what the Celestial counterpart to succubi are.

It depends on how the cosmology handles sexuality.

If it's a "ain't nothing wrong with sex as long as it's not rape, adultery, or something that even the most tolerant of people would find disgusting or deviant" then you might have a race of beautiful angelic or fae-like people encouraging people to let go of their inhibitions in a safe, healthy way in order to have a more complete life or a more meaningful romantic relationship

On the other hand, if the cosmology places moral virtue on celibacy or chastity then you'd probably have a full-fledged "equal and opposite" thing going on, virginal waifs in concealing robes with supernatural powers that cool enflamed passions.

Anonymouswizard

2021-07-30, 05:38 PM

It depends on how the cosmology handles sexuality.

If it's a "ain't nothing wrong with sex as long as it's not rape, adultery, or something that even the most tolerant of people would find disgusting or deviant" then you might have a race of beautiful angelic or fae-like people encouraging people to let go of their inhibitions in a safe, healthy way in order to have a more complete life or a more meaningful romantic relationship

On the other hand, if the cosmology places moral virtue on celibacy or chastity then you'd probably have a full-fledged "equal and opposite" thing going on, virginal waifs in concealing robes with supernatural powers that cool enflamed passions.

In the latter case where do baby elves come from.

I was more wondering in the case of standard Great Wheel D&D cosmology. In some settings I can make a good stab (in In Nomine they're probably a Mercurial whose powers are based on relationships).

But yes, the second case really annoys me. For a cosmology valuing celibacy I'd imagine something more along the lines of attractive people dressed modestly with divine duties focused on helping people form deep relationships. Focused more on controlling passions and seeing beyond them than cooling them.

Bartmanhomer

2021-07-30, 06:03 PM

So anyway my supervisor calls me on the phone during work today. He said that he switching me back to my original work days which are Monday, Wednesday, and Friday. Oh, it well it was fun while it lasts the four-day weekend. :smile:

Rater202

2021-07-30, 06:40 PM

Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker has, as an expansion of the running gag of the usefulness and, subsequently, obsession on Big Boss and his sons, of cardboard boxes, includes a cardboard box thank with a cardboard canon that shoots fully functional cardboard grenades.

There has never been a thing from a videogame that I wanted more than this.

Cazero

2021-07-31, 12:40 AM

I play Pathfinder with friends tomorrow.
*le gasp !*

It was supposed to be a joke about the 6 word stories.
Waaaaait a minute...
It wasn't a real horror story implying human sacrifices to the dice?

Mystic Muse

2021-07-31, 01:34 AM

*le gasp !*

Waaaaait a minute...
It wasn't a real horror story implying human sacrifices to the dice?

Nah, we don't really have access to anyone we'd want to sacrifice.

Form

2021-07-31, 03:08 AM

In the latter case where do baby elves come from.

From Virtue and Chastity!
.....
Now stop asking questions.

*le gasp !*

Waaaaait a minute...
It wasn't a real horror story implying human sacrifices to the dice?

The Random Number God requires no sacrifice. The Random Number God simply claims whatever and whomever it likes.

Rater202

2021-07-31, 01:03 PM

Melt: Low sodium sliced turkey breast, from the in-store dli, with mozzarella shredded by hand, on artisan white bread, fried with extra-virgin olive oil-based cooking spray.

No mustard this time.

Results: Very mild flavor. Could probably use some kind of seasoning. Not bad, but not a combination I'll probably use unaltered again.

Anonymouswizard

2021-07-31, 01:18 PM

From Virtue and Chastity!

At least it isn't Looms.

Cazero

2021-07-31, 01:32 PM

At least it isn't Looms.
There was enough reality warper prodigy child with that one guy.

Rater202

2021-07-31, 02:31 PM

At least it isn't Looms.
There was enough reality warper prodigy child with that one guy.

I feel like there's a reference here that I'm not getting.

Unrelated: Has anyone ever met someone who could eat large amounts of food relative to what their age and level of activity would lead their caloric needs at without seeming to gain weight? Like, without an eating disorder or a medical condition.

I've been led to believe that people with "one of those metabolisms" exist but my own experiences and my knowledge of human biology tell me that this is impossible.

Also, physics. Assuming that the food is actually passing through the digestive system the matter and energy being absorbed has to go somewhere.

Anonymouswizard

2021-07-31, 03:10 PM

I feel like there's a reference here that I'm not getting.

I'm not sure if Cazero and I are talking about the same thing, because I've never actually read it. But I was referring to a certain divisive Doctor Who book.

Unrelated: Has anyone ever met someone who could eat large amounts of food relative to what their age and level of activity would lead their caloric needs at without seeming to gain weight? Like, without an eating disorder or a medical condition.

I've been led to believe that people with "one of those metabolisms" exist but my own experiences and my knowledge of human biology tell me that this is impossible.

Also, physics. Assuming that the food is actually passing through the digestive system the matter and energy being absorbed has to go somewhere.

I believe there are relatively small differences in how much energy your metabolism requires, but in general the reason is down to a medical condition or a lot of exercise.

halfeye

2021-07-31, 06:14 PM

I believe there are relatively small differences in how much energy your metabolism requires, but in general the reason is down to a medical condition or a lot of exercise.

There are definitely lucky people who can eat a lot and not get fat.

Qwertystop

2021-07-31, 06:15 PM

Fidgeting burns a surprising amount of energy, that could be part of it.

Rater202

2021-07-31, 06:18 PM

Fidgeting burns a surprising amount of energy, that could be part of it.

...And now I'm wondering if the insistence that children sit perfectly still at desks for most of a day five days a week nine months out of a year, no getting up to stretch, no fidgeting, and so in isn't related to the rise of rates of obesity in children.

As if I needed another reason to hate school.

Tarmor

2021-07-31, 07:07 PM

Unrelated: Has anyone ever met someone who could eat large amounts of food relative to what their age and level of activity would lead their caloric needs at without seeming to gain weight? Like, without an eating disorder or a medical condition.

I've been led to believe that people with "one of those metabolisms" exist but my own experiences and my knowledge of human biology tell me that this is impossible.

Also, physics. Assuming that the food is actually passing through the digestive system the matter and energy being absorbed has to go somewhere.

That sounds like me for most of my life.
I've always been slim and my weight since late high school has always been around 70kg. (I'm 5' 10, or about 180cm tall) I've generally eaten whatever I wanted, and I wouldn't say I was particularly athletic. My activities have always included lots of walking, and most of my work life included walking and light lifting. I've never played regular sport or gone to the gym.
In the last 2-5 years I've noticed that I'm wider around the waist, but my weight hasn't changed. Notably, in that time I've been spending more and more time at an office desk rather than working around the warehouse.
I have no known/identified medical conditions other than being short-sighted. I eat very little junk food (at least not since University) and I'm just over 50. I've always been considered to have a "fast metabolism". I assume that I can eat a lot because my system doesn't efficiently pull energy out of what I eat.

Peelee

2021-07-31, 10:14 PM

Really want to see Jungle Cruise. It's been a bit since I said that about a movie.

Bartmanhomer

2021-07-31, 10:15 PM

Really want to see Jungle Cruise. It's been a bit since I said that about a movie.

I saw Jungle Cruise early this morning in IMAX. I made a thread about it.

Peelee

2021-07-31, 10:21 PM

I saw Jungle Cruise early this morning in IMAX. I made a thread about it.

I choose to not read that thread. Your past movie reviews tend to just outline the plot, and then say "I liked it a lot" or "I didn't like it that much". Assuming this one is in the same vein, that would just spoil the movie for me without really telling me anything else except your opinion.

Bartmanhomer

2021-07-31, 10:38 PM

I choose to not read that thread. Your past movie reviews tend to just outline the plot, and then say "I liked it a lot" or "I didn't like it that much". Assuming this one is in the same vein, that would just spoil the movie for me without really telling me anything else except your opinion.

I'm trying to improve my reviews.

DataNinja

2021-07-31, 10:44 PM

I'm trying to improve my reviews.

Regardless of that, presumably Peelee does not wish to take that risk when it comes to a movie he's excited for. What you consider review material and what he does are likely two different things, and it's valid to see a pattern and expect it to repeat.

Peelee

2021-07-31, 10:47 PM

I'm trying to improve my reviews.

That's great! I'll probably check it out after I see the movie.

Mystic Muse

2021-07-31, 10:48 PM

That's great! I'll probably check it out after I see the movie.

Yeah, good call, it is still spoiler-y in a lot of ways.

Bartmanhomer

2021-07-31, 11:53 PM

Regardless of that, presumably Peelee does not wish to take that risk when it comes to a movie he's excited for. What you consider review material and what he does are likely two different things, and it's valid to see a pattern and expect it to repeat.

Yes, I completely understand that I'm not going to spill the beans to spoiler the movie.

Mystic Muse

2021-08-01, 12:17 AM

Yes, I completely understand that I'm not going to spill the beans to spoiler the movie.

You do spoiler the movie in your review. Can't really elaborate right now, and certainly can't do it here without spoilers, but you do.

Bartmanhomer

2021-08-01, 12:19 AM

You do spoiler the movie in your review. Can't really elaborate right now, and certainly can't do it here without spoilers, but you do.

Yes, I got to stop doing that as well.

Cazero

2021-08-01, 12:27 AM

I'm not sure if Cazero and I are talking about the same thing, because I've never actually read it. But I was referring to a certain divisive Doctor Who book.
Whereas I was refering to a videogame.

Lord Raziere

2021-08-01, 05:24 AM

Anonymouswizard

2021-08-01, 07:15 AM

Whereas I was refering to a videogame.

Huh, good to know.

Agh, trying to write my book is a headache.

I have my main character and an antagonist, a rough general setting and an idea what I want to do, but whenever I try to start or coming up with specifics of the plot my mind blanks.

like I want to do a plot where a heroine is wielding magic to conjure weapons and armor that give superhuman abilities to fight against an emperor who has used that same magic to take over the world after a bunch of wars involving mega-corps fighting each other, but I blank on even starting it, the hero is supposed to be pragmatic and smart, but I don't know what powers fit her so that she has something fitting yet not too powerful. I don't know what plot to make this all have structure but I do know it will end with that emperor being killed, because the real problem is figuring out what happens in between.

I don't expect any help, I'm just expressing frustration.

Yeah, writing is annoying.

I've moved to extremely limited powers to help stop them being too powerful. In an urban fantasy I'm trying to write my heroine can make objects explode. She has to touch the object, sufficiently magical things are immune, and delaying it by more than a few second is hard. Another character can teleport, but has to enter and exit via an open door in a public transportation vehicle.

My problem is more about how explicit I can be. Can I describe a character who's naked, or can I leave it at 'he wasn't wearing clothes'? So I'm going to run the first draft by some friends specifically to check if it's too graphic.

LaZodiac

2021-08-01, 08:22 AM

Agh, trying to write my book is a headache.

I have my main character and an antagonist, a rough general setting and an idea what I want to do, but whenever I try to start or coming up with specifics of the plot my mind blanks.

like I want to do a plot where a heroine is wielding magic to conjure weapons and armor that give superhuman abilities to fight against an emperor who has used that same magic to take over the world after a bunch of wars involving mega-corps fighting each other, but I blank on even starting it, the hero is supposed to be pragmatic and smart, but I don't know what powers fit her so that she has something fitting yet not too powerful. I don't know what plot to make this all have structure but I do know it will end with that emperor being killed, because the real problem is figuring out what happens in between.

I don't expect any help, I'm just expressing frustration.

Generally how I start with stuff like this is figuring out the inciting incident that brings our protagonist into the events of the story. Say, something like "the emperor's forces attack her village, forcing her to grow up fast and deal with the aftermath". Would help with her pragmatism (forced to learn it at a younger age due to the attack) and gives her a good immediate motive to be active in the plot (revenge is so sweet a succor).

As for powers, you already have that in mind. She's pragmatic in a world where you can conjure weapons and armor- her power comes from the allies she can empower, and the things she can empower them with. Given you want her to be pragmatic, she can do regular, mundane but effective combat stuff. The Emperor is some big ass who took over the world, I bet he makes all his soldiers fancy and ornamented to show "you belong to me", so the contrast of gaudy and less than effective weapons and armor vs a far more practical and immediate set makes for an interesting contrast and an immediate way to differentiate things. Some general of this Emperor boasts triumphantly about how he has such and such magical armour empowered by the Emperor and how blah blah blah and then she just gives someone a very sharp metal stick and has that person stab them through the chest until dead.

As well, since she is pragmatic, it asks the question of "are traps weapons?" because if they are, she can do some pretty nasty trap based strategies with the eventual force she'll bring up around her.

@Anon Wizard: Depends on the scene. If someone is just shirtless they're shirtless. If you're having a dramatic confession of love where the person removes their clothing as enticing, describing it in more detail could make sense.

Keltest

2021-08-01, 09:35 AM

Anonymouswizard

2021-08-01, 09:57 AM

Whenever i have writers block, for D&D or elsewhere, i typically find i can get over it by tossing some random dramatic event in. Something big and not necessarily related to the main plot that the characters have to react to. Once you have something to act on, getting the characters to do things becomes a lot easier.

Basically Chandler's law (although generified). Or the Nanowrimo version: when in doubt, Ninjas.

Unless the situation is going to be relevant to a main or sub plot I'm not a big fan of it. My advice would be to never just have one plot thread running at once, if you can't get your characters to do what you need see if another thread can make enough noise to jossle them into position. But personal approaches vary.

If you'll excuse, I've got to deal with the man with a gun who's entered my room :smalltongue:

Keltest

2021-08-01, 10:00 AM

Basically Chandler's law (although generified). Or the Nanowrimo version: when in doubt, Ninjas.

Unless the situation is going to be relevant to a main or sub plot I'm not a big fan of it. My advice would be to never just have one plot thread running at once, if you can't get your characters to do what you need see if another thread can make enough noise to jossle them into position. But personal approaches vary.

If you'll excuse, I've got to deal with the man with a gun who's entered my room :smalltongue:

The point is to get things moving again. If you go back and look at it on a second pass and think the situation really didnt help at all, by all means cut it. Its just to make the story progress again.

Lord Raziere

2021-08-01, 10:16 AM

Yeah, writing is annoying.

I've moved to extremely limited powers to help stop them being too powerful. In an urban fantasy I'm trying to write my heroine can make objects explode. She has to touch the object, sufficiently magical things are immune, and delaying it by more than a few second is hard. Another character can teleport, but has to enter and exit via an open door in a public transportation vehicle.

My problem is more about how explicit I can be. Can I describe a character who's naked, or can I leave it at 'he wasn't wearing clothes'? So I'm going to run the first draft by some friends specifically to check if it's too graphic.

I think I'm writing different power levels than you, because I can't even come up with powers that limited, all my ideas are super-hero level.

Generally how I start with stuff like this is figuring out the inciting incident that brings our protagonist into the events of the story. Say, something like "the emperor's forces attack her village, forcing her to grow up fast and deal with the aftermath". Would help with her pragmatism (forced to learn it at a younger age due to the attack) and gives her a good immediate motive to be active in the plot (revenge is so sweet a succor).

As for powers, you already have that in mind. She's pragmatic in a world where you can conjure weapons and armor- her power comes from the allies she can empower, and the things she can empower them with. Given you want her to be pragmatic, she can do regular, mundane but effective combat stuff. The Emperor is some big ass who took over the world, I bet he makes all his soldiers fancy and ornamented to show "you belong to me", so the contrast of gaudy and less than effective weapons and armor vs a far more practical and immediate set makes for an interesting contrast and an immediate way to differentiate things. Some general of this Emperor boasts triumphantly about how he has such and such magical armour empowered by the Emperor and how blah blah blah and then she just gives someone a very sharp metal stick and has that person stab them through the chest until dead.

As well, since she is pragmatic, it asks the question of "are traps weapons?" because if they are, she can do some pretty nasty trap based strategies with the eventual force she'll bring up around her.

1. That does make sense, how did I not....? oh well, thanks

2. Never thought about giving other people the weapons/armor honestly. The idea of the magic system was for personal combat; the way the magic is accessed is through cybernetic chips implanted into you that allow you to make them for yourself, the chip normally is sold by the mega-corps for a subscription and you hack it so to keep it from being used to shut down your powers because the emperor is the one who introduced the magic to the world, he wants to keep control of it. and the initial idea was more superheroic/anime in its use, where different styles of armor grant different powers and that her style is more flexible than most in how many armors she can use, and that the things conjured don't stick around forever.

but I guess nothing says you can't figure out how to use the magic that way as well, technically giving other people the weapons or traps aren't even against the limitations for the magic system I set- they can only conjure things that are war and combat related because the magic is connected to a realm or something of war, not creation. good ideas. I can see both her and the emperor thinking of that now.

Whenever i have writers block, for D&D or elsewhere, i typically find i can get over it by tossing some random dramatic event in. Something big and not necessarily related to the main plot that the characters have to react to. Once you have something to act on, getting the characters to do things becomes a lot easier.

.....hm I might actually have an event that could work, but is actually related to all this just not in obvious manner.

thanks, this has been helpful.

Anonymouswizard

2021-08-01, 11:31 AM

I think I'm writing different power levels than you, because I can't even come up with powers that limited, all my ideas a super-hero level.

Almost certainly, I really don't li8ke superhero levels. Throwing limitations onto a power just fells natural to me, and when a power is used well despite them I find it more satisfying.

Plus if I can limit a power so it's weird so much the better.

But I have a whole host of such powers that keep popping up in my story attempts. People aren't telepaths, they taste sincerity. They aren't telekinetic, but they might be able to launch objects towards or away from them.

Ironically in gamnes I tend to prefer broader powers, but that's because it means I have to check a smaller list. In a story I can give a wizard thirty or forty such spells and check if they have anything useful withouyt annoying the rest of the group (although it's probably the villain who gets so many).

1. That does make sense, how did I not....? oh well, thanks

2. Never thought about giving other people the weapons/armor honestly. The idea of the magic system was for personal combat; the way the magic is accessed is through cybernetic chips implanted into you that allow you to make them for yourself, the chip normally is sold by the mega-corps for a subscription and you hack it so to keep it from being used to shut down your powers because the emperor is the one who introduced the magic to the world, he wants to keep control of it. and the initial idea was more superheroic/anime in its use, where different styles of armor grant different powers and that her style is more flexible than most in how many armors she can use, and that the things conjured don't stick around forever.

but I guess nothing says you can't figure out how to use the magic that way as well, technically giving other people the weapons or traps aren't even against the limitations for the magic system I set- they can only conjure things that are war and combat related because the magic is connected to a realm or something of war, not creation. good ideas. I can see both her and the emperor thinking of that now.

If you don't want to go the empowering other people route put a limitation in. The limited time one is a very nice limitation because it's exploitable, a villain able to create a lot of armours at once gives them to trusted underlings, knowing that their temporary nature (and his potential ability to dissipate them at any time?) helps ensure loyalty.

As a side note, some kind of generic echancement is a good starting point, a smart brick is significantly more dangerous than a dumb brick of equal power. You can always branch out later, sometimes the only way to realise what you want is to write and realise that you don't want what you've just written (why my high fantasy attempt gave way to urban fantasy).

.....hm I might actually have an event that could work, but is actually related to all this just not in obvious manner.

thanks, this has been helpful.

If you can't write from point A, write from point B. That's been the only way I've ever been able to continue writing projects.

LaZodiac

2021-08-01, 11:35 AM

1. That does make sense, how did I not....? oh well, thanks

2. Never thought about giving other people the weapons/armor honestly. The idea of the magic system was for personal combat; the way the magic is accessed is through cybernetic chips implanted into you that allow you to make them for yourself, the chip normally is sold by the mega-corps for a subscription and you hack it so to keep it from being used to shut down your powers because the emperor is the one who introduced the magic to the world, he wants to keep control of it. and the initial idea was more superheroic/anime in its use, where different styles of armor grant different powers and that her style is more flexible than most in how many armors she can use, and that the things conjured don't stick around forever.

but I guess nothing says you can't figure out how to use the magic that way as well, technically giving other people the weapons or traps aren't even against the limitations for the magic system I set- they can only conjure things that are war and combat related because the magic is connected to a realm or something of war, not creation. good ideas. I can see both her and the emperor thinking of that now.

When you are at the bottom of a mountain your initial thought is always gonna be "How the hell do I climb this?". Only once you're up there do you realize the obvious paths- you've taken them.

I'll admit even with the mention of mega-corp my mental image of this was sword and sorcery style fantasy. With a modern setting firmed in my brain I can ssay more specifically "you say only things suitable for combat. Land mines, trip wires, claymores. Those are all made for and associated with combat, but far more devious than people would immediately think of".

I'm glad our advice helped. I like the premise a lot, so I'm rooting for you!