Order 66 & Bariss Offee

[Palanan]

Was there ever any canon resolution for Bariss Offee? I just watched “The Wrong Jedi” again, and to my knowledge she’s not mentioned in TCW after that episode.

There seem to be any number of theories and supposed outcomes online, but I don’t get a sense that any of them are strictly canon. Do we know her fate?

[Keltest]

Rumor has it that the live action Ahsoka show will involve Bariss, so if thats the case i assume the answers will be there.

[Palanan]

I wondered if that might be the case. As long as she doesn't show up in Bad Batch. :smalltongue:

[Dargaron]

Inquisitor seems like the most likely outcome: already-disillusioned Jedi in Republic custody during the transition from Republic to Empire? Easy.

[Sapphire Guard]

The most likely outcome logically is 'executed in her cell' but that would involve turning down an opportunity for a cameo.

[Lord Vukodlak]

Inquisitor seems like the most likely outcome: already-disillusioned Jedi in Republic custody during the transition from Republic to Empire? Easy.

Some people suspect 7th Sister was actually Bariss based of the fact they were the same species. But given that 7th Sister and Ahoska actually SPOKE to one another. You think they'd have recognized each other.


The most likely outcome logically is 'executed in her cell' but that would involve turning down an opportunity for a cameo.
Why? she's in a prison, obviously secure as she hasn't escaped yet. Would have no knowledge the politics and events of the outside world. And she had already fallen towards the dark side in her disillusionment towards the dark side. Dargaron in correct that she'd be a perfect candidate for the Inquisitors. Also she has a long history with Ahsoka, and would have personal reasons for which to come after her.

So the most logical outcome is further corruption at the hands of the Emperor and Vader. And being trained as an Inquisitor. And even ifshe wasn't turned into an Inquisitor she has a personal connection to Ahsoka(and is thus bait) a Jedi whose body was never found and thus could still be alive.
Shot in prison is the easy answer not the logical one.

Her reappearance in the Ahoka series is not going to be a cameo. I'd wager she's Thrawn's enforcer during the Ahsoka series. As he's going to want someone to counter the lightsaber wielding force user coming for him

[Sapphire Guard]

Darksider doesn't mean 'friendly to Palpatine' What Bariss hates most is the idea of the Jedi being a tool of the government. Being an Inquisitor or Thrawn's right hand is exactly what she would least want to do.

[Palanan]

Originally Posted by Sapphire Guard
Being an Inquisitor or Thrawn's right hand is exactly what she would least want to do.

Fully agreed. Just because she hates what the Jedi have become, doesn't mean she's willing to throw in with the Empire.

[Mechalich]

Fully agreed. Just because she hates what the Jedi have become, doesn't mean she's willing to throw in with the Empire.

While that's true, Palpatine could be extremely persuasive when he wanted to be, and Bariss was already pretty far into the thrall of the dark side prior to her capture. If he could turn the Grand Inquisitor, a former Temple Guard, I think his ability to turn Bariss is fairly likely.

Note that Dave Filoni is on record as saying he "had plans" for Bariss and deliberately removed her death scene from 'The Wrong Jedi' specifically for this purpose, so she's likely to play a big role in something going forward. This is further supported in that Filoni appears to have successfully staked his claim on Bariss and she has not appeared in any other Disney canon EU material to this point.


Some people suspect 7th Sister was actually Bariss based of the fact they were the same species. But given that 7th Sister and Ahoska actually SPOKE to one another. You think they'd have recognized each other.

Seventh Sister and Bariss have significant differences in physical features if you compare their animated character models - their nose, mouth, and eyes all have different shapes. The characters were also voiced by different actresses. It's possible that Filoni strongly considered using Bariss as Seventh Sister initially, but upon realizing that the role would be fairly modest invented a new, similarly looking character instead.

[Sapphire Guard]

'Fallen to the dark side' is not the same thing as 'willing to work for Palpatine.'

Alas, just because it makes no sense doesn't mean that Dave Filoni won't do it.

[Dragonus45]

The funny thing about falling to the Dark Side is that once you are there it suddenly becomes a lot easier to start justifying anything and everything, especially going against the things you still pretend to believe in. I could easily see her as having been involved with the Empire, if only because it would be either that or a Darth Vader to the face.

[Sapphire Guard]

That's just saying 'The Darkside means I don't have to write character motivations' though.

[Lord Vukodlak]

'Fallen to the dark side' is not the same thing as 'willing to work for Palpatine.'

Alas, just because it makes no sense doesn't mean that Dave Filoni won't do it.

Hating Palpatine just makes her more vulnerable.


Hating your master with every fiber of your being and wishing him dead is not a considered a bug among the Sith its a feature, a driving force to make oneself powerful enough so they can finally bisect that arrogant SOB whose made your life hell. She'd work with him to acquire power through the darkside. Power enough to she can eventually kill him.
That's the motivation, to get enough power so that she can kill him.


And Thrawn himself was not a fan of Palpatine either. But he believed that by putting himself into the right position he could have a hand in his eventual replacement. Had he known the Emperor had plans to live forever and cause the Empire to self-destruct if he ever died. He likely would have done things differently. Why would Bariss work with him? Because Ahsoka is working against him. And with the Jedi, Vader and the Emperor gone the only one left for her to try and get revenge on is Ahsoka.

[Sapphire Guard]

That's the Sith Master-Apprentice relationship. Bariss isn't Palpatine's apprentice, she's a fly buzzing around his head. It might be possible for him to train the fly to attack his enemies if he really wanted to, but that would involve more effort than it's worth and it would be easier and make more sense just to swat her.

Bariss... doesn't have a grudge against Ahsoka, though?

[hamishspence]

Her attempt to frame Ahsoka ended with her own arrest. There's room for a grudge there - blaming Ahsoka despite the fact that all "wronging" has gone the other way.

[Dragonus45]

That's just saying 'The Darkside means I don't have to write character motivations' though.

Kind of yea. A defining trait of turning to the darkside is that your desire for power is out striping your morals, or in some cases your motivations become a missing the forest for the trees issue and you start discarding your morals for the power to achieve whatever twisted version of those morals you have left is. Turns out huffing pure evil better force powers tends not to be so great for the mind.

[Trafalgar]

I never liked the name "Bariss Offee". I feel like the conversation between Lucas and Filoni went like this:

Filoni "What do you think of our design for the new Padawan?"

Lucas "She reminds me of this barista that serves me coffee at Starbucks. Except that barista has lots of freckles so give her freckles."

Filoni "Done. How about a name? We could base the name on the barista like we did with you and your daughters.

Lucas "What was her name? Susan? Meghan? Denise? I can't remember."

Filoni "How about Bariss Offee? Get it?"

Lucas "Yeah. But she screwed up my order last time. So lets have the character turn to the dark side eventually."

[Jasdoif]

The most likely outcome logically is 'executed in her cell' but that would involve turning down an opportunity for a cameo.Didn't Luminara Unduli make a cameo as a corpse in a cell, though?

[Lizard Lord]

The Dark Side is the same force that turned Anakin from wanting power to save his wife to personally strangling his wife.

[lowfyr]

If she becomes an Inquisitor or "just" another not quite sith take into account how much of "Bariss" will still be there.

[Mechalich]

I never liked the name "Bariss Offee". I feel like the conversation between Lucas and Filoni went like this:

Neither Lucas nor Filoni were responsible for Barriss Offee's name. The character was introduced and named in The Approaching Storm, a novel by Alan Dean Foster released prior to Offee's appearance in Attack of the Clones, making her one of several Jedi characters who were elevated from the expanded universe into movie canon by that film (Aayla Secura is the other famous one).

[hamishspence]

Wasn't it a case of Alan Dean Foster getting previews from AOTC, some months prior to its actual release, and writing in the characters Barriss and Luminara based on the previews?

It was published in January of 2002, AOTC was released in May 2002.

The presence of a Luminara photo on the cover, would fit with the idea that some material was available to authors before the actual release.

[Trafalgar]

Wasn't it a case of Alan Dean Foster getting previews from AOTC, some months prior to its actual release, and writing in the characters Barriss and Luminara based on the previews?

It was published in January of 2002, AOTC was released in May 2002.

The presence of a Luminara photo on the cover, would fit with the idea that some material was available to authors before the actual release.

According to wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars:_Episode_II_%E2%80%93_Attack_of_the_Clon es), the AOTC script was completed in June of 2000 and principal photography was completed by September of 2000. So this book was likely part of the movie marketing run up prior to the film's release to drum up some excitement among fans. Kind of like how RA Salvatore's novelization of the movie (published in April 2002 ) doesn't mean he had anything to do with developing the characters or plot of the movie.

[hamishspence]

Which would make it plausible that Lucas was responsible for Barriss & Luminara's names after all.

[Palanan]

Originally Posted by hamishspence
Which would make it plausible that Lucas was responsible for Barriss & Luminara's names after all.

Almost certainly, especially since he’s well-known for recycling names that he came up with long ago, e.g. padawan, Bendu, etc.

Also, I’ve read almost everything that Alan Dean Foster wrote, and “Barriss Offee” sounds very little like a Foster name, but exactly like something George Lucas would come up with.


Originally Posted by Trafalgar
So this book was likely part of the movie marketing run up prior to the film's release to drum up some excitement among fans.

Indeed. Note also this interview (https://starwarsinterviews.com/prequel-trilogy/episode-ii-attack-of-the-clones/nalini-krishan-barriss-offee/) with Nalini Krishan, who played Barriss in AOTC, and who notes that Approaching Storm didn’t come out until after she had finished filming.

I’ve read Approaching Storm, and let’s just say that it was likely written rather fast, so almost certainly the shooting script predated the novel.

[Rakaydos]

I never liked the name "Bariss Offee". I feel like the conversation between Lucas and Filoni went like this:

Filoni "What do you think of our design for the new Padawan?"

Lucas "She reminds me of this barista that serves me coffee at Starbucks. Except that barista has lots of freckles so give her freckles."

Filoni "Done. How about a name? We could base the name on the barista like we did with you and your daughters.

Lucas "What was her name? Susan? Meghan? Denise? I can't remember."

Filoni "How about Bariss Offee? Get it?"

Lucas "Yeah. But she screwed up my order last time. So lets have the character turn to the dark side eventually."

Needs more discussion of what to call a male barista.

[Sapphire Guard]

Is that character even named in the script? She has no dialogue.

[Trafalgar]

Needs more discussion of what to call a male barista.

Take it up with Starbucks (https://www.starbucks.com/careers/find-a-job/retail#:~:text=Baristas,create%20a%20welcoming%20s tore%20environment.). They call all their coffee slingers baristas regardless of identity.

[Lord Vukodlak]

Needs more discussion of what to call a male barista.
Barista its a gender neutral word.

[Trafalgar]

Is that character even named in the script? She has no dialogue.

It has been a Lucasfilm thing for a long long time to give all characters names even if they have no dialogue. That way, it's easier to sell them as toys.

[Thrudd]

It has been a Lucasfilm thing for a long long time to give all characters names even if they have no dialogue. That way, it's easier to sell them as toys.

Right, which means they have designed and named them long before the film is finished, so the toys are ready to go simultaneous with the release- at least during the prequel era.

[Palanan]

Originally Posted by Thrudd
Right, which means they have designed and named them long before the film is finished, so the toys are ready to go simultaneous with the release- at least during the prequel era.

Not just for the prequels. Boba Fett toys were in stores before Empire came out.

[Sapphire Guard]

Possibly they're named by the marketing people or toymakers, then? Seems unlikely that George does all of that hiimself.

[Palanan]

Originally Posted by Sapphire Guard
Possibly they're named by the marketing people or toymakers, then? Seems unlikely that George does all of that hiimself.

I doubt it. There may be exceptions, but I’m pretty sure that Lucas and the concept artists come up with most of the names.

[Lizard Lord]

Not just for the prequels. Boba Fett toys were in stores before Empire came out.

Well Empire Strikes Back wasn't his first appearance. Boba Fett's first appearance was in the Star Wars Holiday Special.

[Traab]

Needs more discussion of what to call a male barista.

Kit Baristo. /serious nod

[Dragonus45]

Kit Baristo. /serious nod

I'm stealing this name the next time I run a Star Wars game

[Sapphire Guard]

I doubt it. There may be exceptions, but I’m pretty sure that Lucas and the concept artists come up with most of the names.

Is there a source for this? I'm very wary of SW fans going 'George is responsible for this', which many fans apply to anything they don't like.

[Palanan]

Originally Posted by Sapphire Guard
I'm very wary of SW fans going 'George is responsible for this', which many fans apply to anything they don't like.

Not sure why that sentiment is applied to my quote, since I never said I didn’t like the name.

And no specific source, just my sense based on reading a variety of making-of books. J.W. Rinzler’s books are excellent resources, and the “Art of” books cover a lot of ground as well.

On names in particular, Rinzler's book on Star Wars quotes the second draft script, from Jan. 1975, which includes names like Bendu and Utapau, which didn't make it into the original trilogy but were recycled in later movies and series decades later. So I wouldn't be surprised if Lucas had come up with Barriss Offee's name at some point early on, and re-used it when working on AOTC.

[Sapphire Guard]

It's not particularly aimed at you, just a reflex now because the SW fandom does it so often that whenever someone says 'X is responsible for this part of SW' I want to see receipts.

[Peelee]

'Fallen to the dark side' is not the same thing as 'willing to work for Palpatine.'

Alas, just because it makes no sense doesn't mean that Dave Filoni won't do it.
Agree 100% with both statements here.

Not just for the prequels. Boba Fett toys were in stores before Empire came out.
And we'll after the Star Wars Holiday Special. :smallwink:

Possibly they're named by the marketing people or toymakers, then? Seems unlikely that George does all of that himself.
I'd be shocked and depressed if someone with a marketing degree was involved with naming Elan Sleazebaggano.

Is there a source for this? I'm very wary of SW fans going 'George is responsible for this', which many fans apply to anything they don't like.
Totally fair. If it makes you feel any better, Disney has replaced Lucas upon that throne.

[Palanan]

Originally Posted by Sapphire Guard
It's not particularly aimed at you, just a reflex now because the SW fandom does it so often that whenever someone says 'X is responsible for this part of SW' I want to see receipts.

Okay, I gotcha. And I can appreciate wanting to know sources and documentation.

My instinct tells me that Lucas probably wrote the name into the script for AOTC, but can’t say for certain. It’s just a feeling, like the Force.

[Dargaron]

Agree 100% with both statements here.



When dealing with the Empire, there's willing and then there's "willing." Fallen Order showed that fairly quickly after Episode 3, the Empire could and would torture lightsiders into compliance. Sure, it doesn't work 100%, but then again, this is the same Empire that tried "build a giant planet-destroying battle station" twice (three times if you count Starkiller Base).

Also, most of the inquisitors have designations to the effect of "Number" "Sibling Relation" (Second Sister, Ninth Sister, Sixth Brother, etc), but as far as I know, "First Sister" is conspicuously absent. It'd make sense for Barris to fill this role (since work on her could've started before the Clone Wars even ended).

[Sapphire Guard]

I'd be shocked and depressed if someone with a marketing degree was involved with naming Elan Sleazebaggano.

Why not? It would make the kids that are your target market giggle.


Totally fair. If it makes you feel any better, Disney has replaced Lucas upon that throne.

Nah, they've got a long way to go to reach the levels of random hatred George tanked. KK is certainly getting the 'good things are other people's work, bad things are blamed on you' treatment though.


When dealing with the Empire, there's willing and then there's "willing." Fallen Order showed that fairly quickly after Episode 3, the Empire could and would torture lightsiders into compliance. Sure, it doesn't work 100%, but then again, this is the same Empire that tried "build a giant planet-destroying battle station" twice (three times if you count Starkiller Base).

It doesn't really work though? Cere gives up Trilla's name under torture, but that didn't make her align with the Empire. Trilla wasn't really tortured into compliance, she was bitter that her name was given up and turned on her master for that betrayal.

I mean, a writer could make it work if they wanted to, but it would be more 'hammer a square peg into a round hole' than anything that makes sense naturally in itself.