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AceDragonKing
2021-08-27, 02:22 PM
Hey guys, we have all seen/heard the edgy trope that the rouge has done from both backstory and feats ect. Well i want to kick it up about 7 to 12 notches.

I want to make the most edgy character ever. I want to make something so edgy that when people learn about it they automatically get a paper cut.

and i want ideas and help. What i have so far (that i’m completely open to changing every last detail about.

Ps the setting is super dark the the dm has abolished alignments for this campaign.

Paladin of slaughter 5, Binder 5, warrior of darkness 10
Taking the exotic weapon proficiency (full blade) and monkey grip so i can dual wielding full blades (they are great swords but 18 inches longer) then taking all the abyssal heritage feats.

Buufreak
2021-08-27, 04:27 PM
You are missing oversized twf so both count as light for purposes of penalties. It was my go to when I was trying to create a dnd version of Theocoles, the Shadow of Death from the Spartacus series.

Particle_Man
2021-08-27, 06:24 PM
Are you going for power or theme? Race-wise, a half-fiend drow necropolitan seems pretty edgy.

Edit: drow not drone!

AvatarVecna
2021-08-27, 06:32 PM
Are you going for power or theme? Race-wise, a half-fiend drone necropolitan seems pretty edgy.

It has to be half fiend and half celestial.

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/127/786/b11.jpg

AceDragonKing
2021-08-27, 06:36 PM
You are missing oversized twf so both count as light for purposes of penalties. It was my go to when I was trying to create a dnd version of Theocoles, the Shadow of Death from the Spartacus series.

What book is that from? That sounds perfect

Khosan
2021-08-27, 06:37 PM
I'd shoot Drow for race, it's very classically edgy.

AceDragonKing
2021-08-27, 06:37 PM
Are you going for power or theme? Race-wise, a half-fiend drone necropolitan seems pretty edgy.

mix of both power and theme. what’s the lvl adjustment on that?

AceDragonKing
2021-08-27, 06:38 PM
It has to be half fiend and half celestial.

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/127/786/b11.jpg

i like that that’s cool! But that also sounds like a hell of a lot of level adjustment

Rynjin
2021-08-27, 06:41 PM
Well boy, do I have the class for you: Edge Lord (https://libraryofmetzofitz.fandom.com/wiki/Edge_Lord) Harbinger (https://libraryofmetzofitz.fandom.com/wiki/Harbinger).

Maat Mons
2021-08-27, 06:58 PM
At one point, I had a half-drow Oracle of Darkness in a Pathfinder game. His name was Bobby Angstmeister. Though, in retrospect, I would have instead made him a Sorcerer of Darkness. I hadn't set out to be edgy, originally. I wanted Oracle or Sorcerer for the Seeker archetype, which gives either class full Trapfinding progression (effectively). And I wanted the Darkness Mystery/Bloodline because it gives either class Hide in Plain Sight. Half Drow was for racial Darkvision (to stack range extensions on) and extra class skills from variant racial traits.

While considering 5e versions of the My Hero Academia characters, one of my ideas for Icy Hot Todoroki was a Teifling Divine Soul Sorcerer. It doesn't stay faithful to wis fire-and-ice theme, but it really nails his daddy issues and desire to suppress half his heritage. I liked it so well that I revised my Pathfinder version of him, which was originally a Crossblooded Sorcerer with the Draconic(Red) and Draconic (White) bloodlines.

AceDragonKing
2021-08-27, 07:11 PM
Well boy, do I have the class for you: Edge Lord (https://libraryofmetzofitz.fandom.com/wiki/Edge_Lord) Harbinger (https://libraryofmetzofitz.fandom.com/wiki/Harbinger).

is this homebrew or offical

Rynjin
2021-08-27, 07:19 PM
is this homebrew or offical

It's 3rd party, but an "official" release from Dreamscarred Press, who are possibly the most respected 3rd party developer for Pathfinder (besides maybe Drop Dead Studios). If your GM would allow Tome of Battle, this is the Pathfinder equivalent, Path of War.

MaxiDuRaritry
2021-08-27, 07:30 PM
I once made a character for a game that never got off the ground. "He" was fluffed as the stillborn ghost spawn of Cthulhu, who had wandered the deep ethereal bordering Dream for uncountable eons before being pulled into the Material Plane by a random portal. Despite being older than the Material Plane itself, he was eternally in the mindset of a small and guileless (but unintentionally horrific) child. He had innocent intentions that always went horribly wrong. He was a (refluffed) anthropomorphic bat savage ghost/ardent/thrallherd/fiend of possession with a number of Illithid Grapple feats, and he would pull in cutesy minions to play with, such as pixies and nixies, but when he would possess them in order to help his other friends, they would mutate into hulking tentacled monstrosities. And he'd pull cute animal friends to him, but when he inevitably crushed them with his possessed bodies' strength (because he wasn't used to being corporeal), he'd "bring them back to life" using the psianimate dead power. So he was always surrounded by a swarm of friendly undead animal corpses, like some sort of gothic Disney Princess by way of Hot Topic.

Jack_Simth
2021-08-27, 08:54 PM
Forget stopping at two weapons! Complete Scoundrel, page 109, brings us the boot blade (get one for each foot!), the Elbow Blade (one for each arm!), the Knee Blade (One for each leg!), and the Sleeve Blade (one for each hand!), that you can wield in addition to your dual-wielded fullblades!

And don't forget the classic: Armor Spikes! Animated Shield with Shield Spikes!

That's 14 simultaneously wielded sharp edges! And that's not all! Dragon Magazine gives us the Poison Ring! Get one for each finger!

But why stop at two arms? Get some Grafts! Extra arms means MORE BLADES!!! Each extra arm gets you yet another fullblade, sleeve blade, and elbow blade! Maybe even More Fingers for more poison rings!

AceDragonKing
2021-08-27, 09:06 PM
Forget stopping at two weapons! Complete Scoundrel, page 109, brings us the boot blade (get one for each foot!), the Elbow Blade (one for each arm!), the Knee Blade (One for each leg!), and the Sleeve Blade (one for each hand!), that you can wield in addition to your dual-wielded fullblades!

And don't forget the classic: Armor Spikes! Animated Shield with Shield Spikes!

That's 14 simultaneously wielded sharp edges! And that's not all! Dragon Magazine gives us the Poison Ring! Get one for each finger!

But why stop at two arms? Get some Grafts! Extra arms means MORE BLADES!!! Each extra arm gets you yet another fullblade, sleeve blade, and elbow blade! Maybe even More Fingers for more poison rings!

I would kiss you if i wasn’t in a committed relationship.
That’s assassins creed status but like overkill. I LOVE IT !

Another Handle
2021-08-27, 09:11 PM
Are you going for power or theme? Race-wise, a half-fiend drone necropolitan seems pretty edgy.

Nothing is more edge than the Spiker! (Planar Handbook) It has edges everywhere! Its head. Its arms. Its feet. Probably its butt. But then, it does have more points than anything too.

Particle_Man
2021-08-27, 11:15 PM
mix of both power and theme. what’s the lvl adjustment on that?

Well necropolitan costs a level but doesn’t have la as such. Drow is plus two la. The half fiend is the killer at plus four la so maybe drop that one.

False God
2021-08-27, 11:28 PM
Well necropolitan costs a level but doesn’t have la as such. Drow is plus two la. The half fiend is the killer at plus four la so maybe drop that one.

Lets not forget the "lesser" Drow with no level adjustment. And just think of the EDGE that would come from being a "lesser" Drow.

There's always the slightly easier "Celestial"(and it's counterpart Fiendish) at +2 each.

Likewise there's the Celestial and Fiendish bloodline feats.

So for a much lower adjustment of +2, one could be a Fiendish Lesser Drow w/Celestial Bloodline. Or Celestial Drow with the Fiendish Bloodline (honestly I think this is better, think how conflicted over their heritage they would be!).

You could also slap on Half-Vampire for another +2, leaving the total adjustment at +4.

Could also throw in Dragontouched there.

Because at this point I'm sure they're the Chosen One....of...something.

Ramza00
2021-08-27, 11:49 PM
Well boy, do I have the class for you: Edge Lord (https://libraryofmetzofitz.fandom.com/wiki/Edge_Lord) Harbinger (https://libraryofmetzofitz.fandom.com/wiki/Harbinger).

Rynjin got there first

Harbinger: The harbinger is a mobile combatant that specializes in inflicting curses and manipulating their foes on the battlefield through use of maneuvers. They are specialists in channeling negative emotions as well as focusing on a singular discipline above and beyond the norm of other initiators.

Harbinger Like rumors of war or plague-ridden winds, harbingers move through battlefields and leave only ruin and sorrow in their wake. Empowered from within by a deep connection to sorrow, grief, and wrath, harbingers channel their negative emotions into a supernatural fighting style that is strange and terrifying to behold. Some accept the darker urges within themselves but leash them, making their wrath serve as a hound might—and others embrace the violence within, becoming killers without restraint or pity.

————

Edge lords are numbered amongst those harbingers that cope with negative emotions by pretending to be above them; without personal ties or investment, how can they, or anyone else, be hurt by loss? This icy, affected indifference gives them insight into the use of curses, teleportation, and the supremely sharp katana.


is this homebrew or offical

Harbinger is from dreamscarred press. Official release. That said the author of said book has done homebrew on giantitp before.

Edge Lord is meant to be balanced and playable but it is from April Augmented 2016 which was there yearly book of fun and silly stuff but is supposed to be similar in power as more serious stuff. For example from the same book is a Path of War prestige class Daring Hero which is similar to the 1 level dip Elan takes but as a 10 level prestige class.

Saintheart
2021-08-27, 11:54 PM
You'll have to make sure the character does only slashing damage.

MaxiDuRaritry
2021-08-28, 12:06 AM
You'll have to make sure the character does only slashing damage.Only if sanity damage is also slashing.

I'd make a joke here, but it'd be really cutting it close on the rules.

Rater202
2021-08-28, 12:14 AM
If I was going full edge: Chaotic Neutral Half-elf(Drow) Dread Necromancer.

There's a feat in the back of Drow of The Underdark that replaces a Half-elf's Low Light vision with Darkvision. The Armored MAge Feat from Complete Arcane would give the Dread Necromancer the ability to wear Medium Armor without impacting spell chance.

With this, you can get a suit of Full Plate with Armor spikes, which will naturally be made of an ultra-rare metal blacker than the darkest void that happens to be mechanically identical to mithril and therefore only medium.

Dread Ecormancer's are proficient with a single martial weapon of their choice, so you could gain proficiency with those armor spikes... Or you could use it to gain proficiency with a Greatsword.

Optionally, burn a feat on Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Bastard Sword and wield a two-handed katana in one hand, in which case yes, use your free martial proficiency onthe armor spikes there's no reason not to.

Takin Dread Necromancer to level 20 is Suboptimal... Bu t if you do, you are a reasonable facsimile of an immortal undead Lich in "heavy" black armor coved in sharp spikes wilding a large anime sword with an army of the undead at your beck and call with a malevolent spirit or demon as a familiar an a plethora of most sinister spells at your command with no level adjustment.

In other words, the anti-hero protagonist of a cheap, edge-fest East Asian Light Novel.

Being Chaotic Neutral lets you still be the "Good Guy" while doing all kinds of edgy immoral actions as long as they're not too premeditated and you don't cross a line.

This is not an optimal build and there's a lot of space to fill out. but it should be functional,

Efrate
2021-08-28, 07:26 PM
Go edgelord harbinger and splash a level or 2 of daevic, also from dream scarred press. It's pathfinder incarnum, and they have a special view (chakra) which is called the blood veil, and various abilities that cause them to take bleed damage and get stronger from it. You can be so sharp your edges cut your self which just makes you stronger.

Saintheart
2021-08-28, 08:40 PM
I'd make a joke here, but it'd be really cutting it close on the rules.

Indeed, one could say it would be right on the bleeding edge.

Kuulvheysoon
2021-08-28, 08:48 PM
If I was going full edge: Chaotic Neutral Half-elf(Drow) Dread Necromancer.

There's a feat in the back of Drow of The Underdark that replaces a Half-elf's Low Light vision with Darkvision. The Armored MAge Feat from Complete Arcane would give the Dread Necromancer the ability to wear Medium Armor without impacting spell chance.

With this, you can get a suit of Full Plate with Armor spikes, which will naturally be made of an ultra-rare metal blacker than the darkest void that happens to be mechanically identical to mithril and therefore only medium.

Nah man, take it another step further. Let me introduce you to sentira armor. It's from the Eberron book Secrets of Sarlona, and it's literally solidified emotional energy incorporated into armor. For a +1 bonus, you can get your armor infused with with the emotion of Dread or Vengeance.

Ramza00
2021-08-28, 09:02 PM
Sidenote are we making Stryfe from the X-Men?

Links to a few images and a podcast

https://sookayitsaverage.files.wordpress.com/2016/06/576f9787d740474f2dc254281dc2d3d1.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DMLvbhwU8AEsShi.jpg

https://marveldbg.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/stryfe-04.jpg

Aka Shredder but more X-Treme and with daddy issues and a fabulous sense of taste (very baroque)

Podcast https://anchor.fm/cerebrocast/episodes/Episode-030-Stryfe-feat--Anthony-Oliveira-etu0j8

Please listen to the first 15 seconds, it is a teaser for who this guy is. Very edgy!

Zaq
2021-08-28, 10:18 PM
I feel like if you aren't a warlock then you're Doing It Wrong. Basically every canonical fluff explanation for warlock powers is pure edgelord. You can do the "dark pact" thing or the "cursed bloodline" thing or the "pawn of greater forces" thing... or some combination thereof.

I mean they literally have a feature called "fiendish flamewreath." How is that not 100% edge?

Another Handle
2021-08-29, 02:10 AM
Sidenote are we making Stryfe from the X-Men?

Links to a few images and a podcast

https://sookayitsaverage.files.wordpress.com/2016/06/576f9787d740474f2dc254281dc2d3d1.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DMLvbhwU8AEsShi.jpg

https://marveldbg.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/stryfe-04.jpg

Aka Shredder but more X-Treme and with daddy issues and a fabulous sense of taste (very baroque)

Podcast https://anchor.fm/cerebrocast/episodes/Episode-030-Stryfe-feat--Anthony-Oliveira-etu0j8

Please listen to the first 15 seconds, it is a teaser for who this guy is. Very edgy!
Pennance is more edge than Stryfe could ever hope to be. (https://i.pinimg.com/originals/3d/7f/30/3d7f30279a88f582bd3a84178ab2a919.jpg)The spikes on his armor are on the inside. ... There's bound to be a nipple-clamps of exquisite pain build in there somewhere.

False God
2021-08-29, 08:59 AM
Pennance is more edge than Stryfe could ever hope to be. (https://i.pinimg.com/originals/3d/7f/30/3d7f30279a88f582bd3a84178ab2a919.jpg)The spikes on his armor are on the inside. ... There's bound to be a nipple-clamps of exquisite pain build in there somewhere.

But don't the nipple clamps turn pain into pleasure? Stryfe has to actually feel the pain in order for his power to work (if I recall correctly).

I'm not sure Pinhead and the Cenobites (name of my college band for 100 Alex) are still considered 'edgy' after that Rick and Morty episode though.

MaxiDuRaritry
2021-08-29, 09:11 AM
But don't the nipple clamps turn pain into pleasure? Stryfe has to actually feel the pain in order for his power to work (if I recall correctly).It's possible for something to cause you pain but for it to feel good. I remember when I had my wisdom teeth removed (and much earlier, when I lost my baby teeth), the empty tooth sockets would hurt when something pressed down on them, but at the same time, it felt good. Probably a reason why babies enjoy chewing on stuff while teething, even though it causes them pain. I think that's what the ioun stones* of exquisite pain do.







*I prefer crafting these things as ioun stones for no extra charge, as they remain unslotted items either way; they're quite useful for a number of purposes beyond the BoVD's weird "feeling pain as pleasure is (somehow) evil" fetish (which, honestly, is both ignorant and excessively stupid, since for some people it's a literal physiological issue, since they have their neural wires crossed, but whatever). Convincing people to willingly donate liquid pain in exchange for healing both their previous health problems and the wounds you gave them in the process, for instance.

AceDragonKing
2021-08-30, 03:43 AM
Nah man, take it another step further. Let me introduce you to sentira armor. It's from the Eberron book Secrets of Sarlona, and it's literally solidified emotional energy incorporated into armor. For a +1 bonus, you can get your armor infused with with the emotion of Dread or Vengeance.

Wow that sounds amazing

AceDragonKing
2021-08-30, 03:44 AM
I feel like if you aren't a warlock then you're Doing It Wrong. Basically every canonical fluff explanation for warlock powers is pure edgelord. You can do the "dark pact" thing or the "cursed bloodline" thing or the "pawn of greater forces" thing... or some combination thereof.

I mean they literally have a feature called "fiendish flamewreath." How is that not 100% edge?

Idk binder making a deal involving his soul 1+ times per day depending on his lvl and paladin of slaughter is pretty edgy but i do get your point i’ll have to look into warlock some more

Calthropstu
2021-08-30, 08:34 AM
I feel it needs a level in witch so it can serve a dark lord and some kind of evil eye power.

Endless Rain
2021-08-30, 06:26 PM
Cleric (Fiendish Vessel) of Sifkesh 1/Sorcerer (Crossblooded) 1/Antipaladin (Blighted Myrmidon) 1/Witch (Gravewalker) 1/Unchained Summoner (Devil Impostor) 1/Vigilante (Serial Killer) 1/Inquisitor (Sin-Eater) 1/Warpriest (Cult Leader) 1/Slayer (Bloody Jake) 1/Cavalier (Ghost Rider) 1/Shifter (Fiendflesh Shifter) 1/Oracle (Dual-Cursed Oracle) 1/Kineticist (Dark Elementalist) 1/Medium (Voice of the Void) 1/Mesmerist (Hate-Monger) 1/Occultist (Necroccultist) 1/Psychic (Psychic Marauder) 1/Spiritualist (Necrologist) 1/Alchemist (Vivisectionist) 1/Ninja (Mask of the Living God) 1

Race: Tiefling (Qlippoth-Spawn)
Alignment: Chaotic Evil
Domains: Evil (Demon) and Darkness (Loss)
Sorcerer Bloodlines: Daemon, Infernal
Witch Patron: Vengeance (Infernal Contract)
Eidolon Base Form: Aberrant
Eidolon Subtype: Div "Devil"
Cavalier Order: Order of the Cockatrice
Psychic Discipline: Pain
Oracle Mystery: Apocalypse
Oracle Curses: Lycanthropy, Vampirism
Corruption: Promethean
Important Feats: Fiendish Obedience (Sifkesh), Damned Disciple, Deific Obedience (Zon-Kuthon)*, BotD Vol 2 Demonic Obedience (Zura)*

*Patron deity requirements bypassed by Sifkesh's second Evangelist Boon

Utterly useless on the tabletop, of course, but you never specified that it had to be playable. :smalltongue:

AceDragonKing
2021-08-30, 07:27 PM
Cleric (Fiendish Vessel) of Sifkesh 1/Sorcerer (Crossblooded) 1/Antipaladin (Blighted Myrmidon) 1/Witch (Gravewalker) 1/Unchained Summoner (Devil Impostor) 1/Vigilante (Serial Killer) 1/Inquisitor (Sin-Eater) 1/Warpriest (Cult Leader) 1/Slayer (Bloody Jake) 1/Cavalier (Ghost Rider) 1/Shifter (Fiendflesh Shifter) 1/Oracle (Dual-Cursed Oracle) 1/Kineticist (Dark Elementalist) 1/Medium (Voice of the Void) 1/Mesmerist (Hate-Monger) 1/Occultist (Necroccultist) 1/Psychic (Psychic Marauder) 1/Spiritualist (Necrologist) 1/Alchemist (Vivisectionist) 1/Ninja (Mask of the Living God) 1

Race: Tiefling (Qlippoth-Spawn)
Alignment: Chaotic Evil
Domains: Evil (Demon) and Darkness (Loss)
Sorcerer Bloodlines: Daemon, Infernal
Witch Patron: Vengeance (Infernal Contract)
Eidolon Base Form: Aberrant
Eidolon Subtype: Div "Devil"
Cavalier Order: Order of the Cockatrice
Psychic Discipline: Pain
Oracle Mystery: Apocalypse
Oracle Curses: Lycanthropy, Vampirism
Corruption: Promethean
Important Feats: Fiendish Obedience (Sifkesh), Damned Disciple, Deific Obedience (Zon-Kuthon)*, BotD Vol 2 Demonic Obedience (Zura)*

*Patron deity requirements bypassed by Sifkesh's second Evangelist Boon

Utterly useless on the tabletop, of course, but you never specified that it had to be playable. :smalltongue:

You were planning this for a while wernt you? But that is in fact very edgy

vasilidor
2021-08-31, 04:59 AM
Well, at least with this crowd your character is not going to be a dull pizza cutter.
then you would be truly pointless.

Calthropstu
2021-08-31, 09:30 AM
Well, at least with this crowd your character is not going to be a dull pizza cutter.
then you would be truly pointless.

See, I was looking into a truly terrible build for him. I was going to do something like witch 3, sorc 4 undead vampire bloodline, warlock 3, undead master 3, summoner 3, fighter 1, eldritch knight 3. No synergies, no high level casting. Race dhampir. Because you have all the edgiest classes.

YellowJohn
2021-08-31, 02:41 PM
You missed Death Delver (HoH) - a prestige class whose fluff is 'I get powers from thinking about death'

daremetoidareyo
2021-08-31, 02:57 PM
Kender apostle of peace

MaxiDuRaritry
2021-08-31, 04:00 PM
Kender apostle of peaceMore to the point, Vow of Poverty Kender.

DiamondRStudios
2021-08-31, 04:17 PM
Make sure you mention your dead family/friends/religious order/village at every opportunity

Ramza00
2021-08-31, 05:02 PM
Make sure you mention your dead family/friends/religious order/village at every opportunity

You take leadership and your cohort is a Shonen protagonist who follows you around even though you tell him to leave and he duels you again and again for he wants you to come home, but no you are edgy and you have your grand mission. :smalltongue:

AceDragonKing
2021-09-01, 01:01 PM
Make sure you mention your dead family/friends/religious order/village at every opportunity

But of course nothing says edge like a dead person driving your forward.

Maat Mons
2021-09-01, 03:55 PM
Your dear old uncle Ben died because of you, and even though you paid a Cleric to resurrect him right away, he's still never let you live it down.

Khosan
2021-09-01, 10:27 PM
But of course nothing says edge like a dead person driving your forward.

But to be extra edgy, you killed them. That can either be a literal Herculean edge or more like 'they had it coming but also I am sad about it.'

Bonzai
2021-09-01, 11:01 PM
I once made a Bard named Payne.... with a Y. He used the Harbinger Bard varient from dragon magazine #337. But truthfully he was more Emo than an edge lord. Lol.

Rynjin
2021-09-02, 02:30 AM
Make sure you mention your dead family/friends/religious order/village at every opportunity

Never let anyone forget that the reason everyone you know and loved is dead is because you needed to test your abilities.

Eldan
2021-09-02, 05:37 AM
Nothing is more edge than the Spiker! (Planar Handbook) It has edges everywhere! Its head. Its arms. Its feet. Probably its butt. But then, it does have more points than anything too.

Excuse me, we are looking for edges, not spikes. You want a Bladeling.