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Gavinfoxx
2021-09-01, 11:17 AM
So, all WotC 3.5e, unupdated 3.0e, Dragon Magazine, authorized second party (Dragonlance and similar) sources... What are some of the absolute best forms to use with a max manifester level Metamorphosis? Assume you are cranking out ML15 variant Skins of the Proteus for your entire party. What's the best stuff to turn into?

What's the best for various mobility options? Best for constitution and natural armor? Best for high ability scores in general? Best generalist forms? Best for weird useful attacks? Best for having lots of powerful high accuracy attacks? Best for poisoning someone? Best for long term poison milking? Best for useful racial skills? Best for doing tasks like burrowing through stone or ferrying people or heavy things or construction work? Best for invoking religious awe in various cultures (appearing to be like various angels, dragons, coatls, and similar intrinsically sorts of authority figure forms)? Best for hiding? Best for being fearsome but still totally having the ability to speak and useful thumbs and hands? Best for not being too crazy weird looking but still able to bring the hurt at a moment's notice? Best for being really intimidatingly fearsome? Most inherently beautiful even if your charisma isnt high? Cutest while still being capable? Best for nonlethal combat options? Best for getting useful types qnd subtypes that do nifty things? Best for having novel anatomy that should function via the power? Etc. etc.

Beni-Kujaku
2021-09-01, 01:49 PM
http://minmaxforum.com/index.php?topic=519.0

Gavinfoxx
2021-09-01, 02:03 PM
Yes, I've already read that, but it's very limited and doesn't help with most of my issues or questions.

Efrate
2021-09-01, 08:01 PM
Thoon elder brain at 12. Dual actions. Plus a bunch of other stuff. But mostly dual actions, 2 rounds of actions each round.

Gavinfoxx
2021-09-01, 09:20 PM
Thoon elder brain at 12. Dual actions. Plus a bunch of other stuff. But mostly dual actions, 2 rounds of actions each round.

Does Metamorphosis give you the actual dual actions of that, though?

MaxiDuRaritry
2021-09-02, 02:16 AM
With Assume Supernatural Ability or Metamorphic Transfer, phasms (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/phasm.htm) can turn into any Large or smaller creature regardless of HD, CR, or ECL. Enjoy being able to turn into epic creatures via metamorphosis.


Alternate Form (Su): A phasm can assume any form of Large size or smaller as a standard action. A phasm can remain in its alternate form until it chooses to assume a new one or return to its natural form.

Gavinfoxx
2021-09-02, 08:49 AM
Right, but this is for a stuff via a single magic (psionic) item, though. Or the base version of the power, un-changed.

Assume it's, for example, gifts to a low-optimization party to get them up to par, and need to come with an illustrated instruction manual full of best practices that I'm probably going to have to actually make!

Psyren
2021-09-02, 09:33 AM
"Best monster for X" is a very tall order. It might be helpful to list what candidates you've already found for the categories you listed, and then maybe someone can go "actually, this guy from Fiend Folio is faster/stronger/has more attacks" or whatever. Still no guarantee of that one being the "best" but you'll then have options.

Yan Korlat
2021-09-02, 10:00 AM
This isn’t quite what you were looking for, but one of the contestants in the most recent iron chef makes very heavy use of alternate form and metamorphosis. They use forms to get very specific things, though.

https://forums.giantitp.com/showsinglepost.php?p=25181380&postcount=98