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2021-09-20, 09:24 AM

And lo, by the ancient powers invested in me recently usurped a new random banter thread has been brought into being.

Ye olde ancient records, the giants on whose shoulders we stand, our predecessors who bantered before us:
Amotis' Random Banter #1 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13484)
Dhavaer's Random Banter #2 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13401)
PhoeKun's Random Banter #3 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13319)
Rei Jin's Random Banter #4 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13205)
Toxic Avenger's Random Banter #5 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13146)
Jibar's Random Banter #6 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13026)
Ego Slayer's Surrogate Random Banter #7 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12939)
Sneak's Random Barroom Brawl #8 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12918)
Sophistemon's Solemnly Random Banter #9 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12855)
Vaynor's Very Random Banter #10 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12834)
Bookman's Blathering Random Banter #11 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12809)
Gralamin's Glorious Random Banter #12 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12785)
Rilik's Resplendently Random Raillery #13 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12766)
Gezina's Growling Grazing Random Banter #14 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12747)
The Zerglings Utterly And Geeky Random Banter #15 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12740)
jaqueses Truthfully Randomly Fireside Banter # 16 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12735)
Jack Squat’s Jubilantly Quixotic Random Banter #17 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12693)
Cardel's Banter of Cookie Jubilation #18 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12668)
Archonic's Chaotically Random Banter of Rods #19 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12657)
The Rod's Inanimate Temple of RANDOM banter #20 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12638)
Lucky’s Loquaciously Loud-Mouthed Random Banter#21 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12630)
Deckmaster's Divinely Delightful Random Banter #22 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12614)
Saithis' Soliloquy of Random Banter #23 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12598)
Loveable Lianae's Ludicrous Lampooning Lottery #24 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12578)
NEO|Phyte's Neolithic Nest of Weasel Banter #25 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12544)
Target's Random Banter of "non-violence" #26 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12533)
Tarnag40k's Random banter of "grammar errors" #27 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12515)
Kyrian's Random Banter of ADHDness #28 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12507)
El Jaspero's Random Drunken Ramblings #29 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12503)
Boss Smiley's Eloquently Eggy Banter #30 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12494)
Lykan's Looney Explosionarama & Random Banter #31 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12482)
Iames's Iambic Yarn of Yammering #32 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12468)
Dispozition's Deviously Distressed Banter #33 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12458)
CP's Copiously Combusting Banter of Carnage #34 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12445)
Alarra's Altar of Random Banter #35 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12432)
Eloquent Rune's Electrifying Rambling Banter #36 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12423)
E_P's Very Own Quite Popular Random Banter #37 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12419)
Hydrogelic's Foolish Mortal Random Banter #38 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12413)
Ink's Smudgy Splotchy Random Banter #39 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12405)
Azrael's Big Black Book of Banter #40 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12397)
The Logic Vampire's Rational Random Banter #41 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12387)
Shiny's Shimmering Space-hitchin Random Banter #42 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12376)
ZombieRockStar's Random Banter #43 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12360)
Nostrabel's Realm of Cookies and Random Banter #44 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12342)
Charity's Cheery Chatter Circle #45 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12328)
Samiam's Spontaneous Scintillating Soliloquy #46 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12310)
LLama's Masked Mysterious Random Banter #47 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26599)
Ravishing Rydia's Recumbentibus ^_^ Random Banter #48 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27622)
Penguinizers Perilous Random Banter #49 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28083)
Death's delightfully morbid surrogate random banter #50 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28444)
Wayril's wonderfully weird surrogate random banter #51 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28990)
Rawhide's Deck of Random Banter (52 Cards) (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29697)
Korith's Sorrogate Random Banter of Zombie Killing #53 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30353)
Surrogate thread of random Bor-dom #54 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31109)
Rex Idiotarum's Painfully Pogoing Thread #55 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31512)
The Wrath of KHAAAAAANtalas’s William Shatner Flavored Random Banter # 56 (Surrogate) (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32080)
EmeraldRose's Random Banter of Lashing Wit #57 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32494)
Captain van der Decken's Surrogate Ship of Random Loot (Banter) #58 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32847)
SDF's Neverending I-Don't-Have-an-OotS-Avatar-Yet Story Banter #59 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33465)
Mauril's Surrogate Dwelf Banter of Fantasy Race Confusion 60th Edition (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34165)
Rockphed's Dice Rolling Toga Party of 61 Drunken CIA Analysts (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34568)
var Lord_Magtok = Random(Banter*62) + Surrogate (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34801)
Jibar's Retro Random Banter #63 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35014)
Malina's Random Spanish Banter #64 of morphical annoyance (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35256)
Mr. E's Random Banter #65 of Cane Toting and Hat Tipping (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35418)
Ego Slayer's Hellishly Random Banter #66.6 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35596)
Purple Gelatinous Cube o' Doom's bowl of bantery j-e-ll-o randomness #67 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35859)
Zephra's Random Banter of Ghostly Wailings, and Howling Fun#68 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36317)
Cobra Ikari's Random Banter #69 of Rampant Hugging, Guttermindedness, and ;-) Kinky. (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36977)
Scorpina's Random Banter #70 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37480)
Raistlin1040's Super Special Awesome Random Banter #71(Now with 20% more tacos) (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37824)
Uberblah's Random Banter #72 Of Caffeine And Sleep Deprivation Induced Randomness (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38225)
Lucky’s Random Banter #73 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38987)
Castaras's Random Banter #74 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37836)
D'anna Biers RB #75 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39495)
Zeb The Troll's RB#76 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39801)
Eldpollard's RB #77 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40128)
Gezina's and Calamity's Random banter #78 of double entendre and doom (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40410)
Random Banter #79 In Loving Memory of Hexa_Regina (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40909)
Zeratul's random banter #80 of throwing puppies off bridges (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41778)
Vespe's Random Banter #81 of singing dolphins and mostly harmless planets. (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43254)
CSK's Giant in the Playground Forums Addicted Anonymous, Random Banter #82 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44919)
Iames's Ramblingly Erratic Belldandy-Charged Random Banter #83 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=47592)
Serpentine's Scintillating Sensually and Sinuously Seductive Stochastic Satire #84 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49048)
Radikalskippy's Random Banter #85 of lost ideas and where to find them... (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50658)
Moon Called's Random Banter #86 of Sexy Anime Boys and Fangirl Squeals (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51825)
Lilly's Lovely Random Banter #87 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52783)
FdL's Fuzzbox-Fueled Random Banter #88 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54612)
SweetRein's Sugary Restrained Random Banter #89 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59668)
Midnight's Mutant Motorcycle Madness Random Banter #90 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=62430)
Em's Extremely Extraordinarily Epic Random Banter #91 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65645)
Dragonrider's Random Banter in Conjunction with the Weighted Cube #92 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67629)
Bushranger's Bodaciously Buffed Random Banter-y Rooster #93 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69425)
Haruki's Historically Hilarious Honey-covered Random Banter #94 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71161)
North's Maple Syrup Flavored Non-Alliterative Random Banter #95 Eh? (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=73464)
Wadledo's Weirdly Warbling Watercress Watching Washing Machine Only Random Banter #96 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=75946)
SMEE's Random Banter #97 of gender bending and closet bursting (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78694)
Raiser's Rambunctiously Rambling Random Banter #98 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=81626)
Dr. Bath's Random Banter, dripping with daring deeds of dastardly deipnosophists #99 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84068)
VOTE, the Democracy Demon's Devilishly Devious and Decidedly Diabolical Desultory Derision (Random Banter) #100 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84914)
Jack Squat's Justlessly Juxtaposed Random Banter #101 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=87577)
Dallas-Dakota's Dundering Dandelion's Devilish Damsel's Distress Random Banter #102 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4790602#post4790602)
Destro Yersul's Dangerously Distracting and Doubtlessly Disturbing Random Banter #103 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4903962#post4903962)
Aziraphales Actually Alliterative and Awesomely Affluent Random Banter #104 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=92718)
Cristo's Consistently Confusing and Constantly Casual Random Banter #105 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=94491)
Dish's Delightfully Deranged and Deliciously Deliquent Random Banter # 106 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=95905)
Slayer's Seemingly Sweet and Socially Silly Random Banter # 107 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=97703)
Zero's ambrosial and aberrantly adventitious, abstemiously erudite Random Banter #108 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=99100)
Coplantor's Completely Creative Cautious and Contemplative Random Banter #109 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=100414)
Rutskarn's Roly-Poly Rebellious and Rejected Random Banter #110 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=101156)
TwoBitWriter's Tubular Tracts of Thought-Talking Random Banter #111 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5600540#post5600540)
Phase's Phully Phormed, Phalangeal, and Phantasmagorical Random Banter #112 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=101988)
Wolfbane's Wonderfully Wacky and Wildly Wandom Random Banter #113 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=102865)
The Kiwi's Kinkily Knotted and Kookily Kickass Random Banter #114 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103674)
Jude's Judgmental Jugular Jab and Jibber Jabbery Random Banter #115 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=104480)
The Throne of Thufir's Thoroughly Theoretical and Therapeutic Random Banter #116 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105584)
Random Banter #117 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106698)
Dragonprime's Dynamically Dangerous Dextrous and Destructive Random Banter #118 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=107882)
Farmer Felix's Fantastic FRandom FBanter #119 (may contain traces of fnuts) (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=109007)
Groundhog's Random Banter of Weather Prediction and Anti-Gopherness (part one) (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=110963&page=50)
Groundhog's Random Banter of Weather Prediction and Anti-Gopherness (part two) (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=113197)
Mrmud's Mixed-Up and Minimally Mechanized Random Banter #121 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=114623)
Dogmantra's Dastardly, Despotic and Dangerous Random Banter #122 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=116660)
Alteran's Amazingly Anachronistic, Altruistic, and Antagonistic Random Banter #123 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=118380)
Admiral Euphoria's Random Banter Thread of Delusional Grandeur #124 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6614894)
Fred's Flying Fishy, Fighting, Fiery, Fantastic Face Off Random Banter #125 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=121385)
Cyrano’s Non-Alliterative Inaugurational Random Banter #126 To Usher In The Future (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=122977)
Thanatos's Tharmturges Present: Tropical, Tipsy, and Typically Random Banter #127
(https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=123816)loopy's Legendary and Long-Awaited Lollipop Fuelled Random Banter #128 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=124786)
Shadow's Shady Shop of Sharks, Shingles, Shammies, Shiny and Random Banter #129 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125667)
KataraAltinaII's Premature Not So Short & To-The-Point Random Banter #130 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=126557)
Supagoof's Supa-Sensational Silly Symphonies Set Sizzingly On Fire Random Banter #131 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=128570)
Pyrian's Pyrotechnic Pyre of Pyrrhic Pyros with Pyrotic Pythics Random Banter #132! (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=130459)
Perenelle's Pleasantly Playful and Passionately Peculiar Random Banter #133 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=131814)
Rpgsr4me's Ravenous, Roaring, Raging Rampage of Random Banter #134 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7373844#post7373844)
Il'deav Ilah'naie's Indiscreet Intimacies on Indigo Iceboats Random Banter #135 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=134438)
Recaiden's Resplendent and Rotating Realistic Random Banter #136 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=136879)
Jibar's Random Banter #137: Return of the Cat-muffin (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=138879)
Edge's Effluence of Extravagant and Effulgent Random Banter #138 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7876065)
Zeb The Troll's Zecond Go At Ze Random Banter #139 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8061505&postcount=1)
Curly's Rambunctious and Erudite Random Banter #140 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=148462)
Deth Muncher's Destructive and Meandering Random Banter #141 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=150904)
A Thread in Which Banter Most Random is Expulsed Into Existence, By Ravens_cry #142 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8722755)
Several Silly Sealions Stuffed Seaweed Southward Swiftly (Or, Random Banter #143) (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=159998)
The thread that changed name one last time, with style. (Random Banter #144) (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=161407)
Banjo’s Bodacious & Boosted Bumper Bulletproof Box of Banter Most Random #145 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=162819)
Masa's Massively Masterful Message Medium - Random Banter #146 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=164224)
KuReshtin's Vociferously Ruminating Harbinger of Random Banter - #147 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=166664)
Archonic's Archaic Acronymical Antidisestablishmentarianism Random Banter - #148 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=169890)
Skeppio's Splendidly Strange & Superbly Scintillating Random Banter - #149 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=173056)
Teddy's Turbulent and Topicless Random Banter #150 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=175338)
Fifty-Eyed Fred's Ferociously Fanatical and Fabulously Fascinating Random Banter #151 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=178205)
Rae's Really Rascally and Ridiculously Rowdy Random Banter #152 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=181296)
Haruki's Hot n' Holy Random Banter #153 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=10176275#post10176275)
MoonCat's Magnificently Mythopoeic Random Banter #154 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=187576)
Eadin's Exchange of Extraterrestrial Excuses AKA Random Banter #155 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=190034)
Happy HalfTangible's Horrific Hail of Random Banter #156 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=10629167#post10629167)
AtlanteanTroll's Atrocious and Terrific Arcade of Terror - RB #157 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=196302)
LaLa’s Laughably Silly Random Banter Thread – RB #158 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=198767)
Zaydos's Zany Zooetic Random Banter - RB #159 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=200208)
Blue's Blessed and Blissful Random Banter - RB #160 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=201653)
Absolmorph's Azoic Arete of Adventitious and Aimless Random Banter - RB 161 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=202546)
Gwyn's Gloriously Green Garrumphing Garter of Garrulous Gabble! Random Banter #162 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=203954)
Eruantion's Euphoric, Elephant-filled Elevated Epoch of Eurhythmic Random Banter #163 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=205487)
ATW's Awesome Androgynous Avaricious Azure Ardent Adamant Alluvial Random Banter #164 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=207269)
Cynical Avocado's Absolutely Admirable Accumulation of Random Bantering #165 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=209860)
August's Pink Plushy and Phantasmagorically Random Banter Thread #166 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=212011)
Heliomance's Everchanging Thread Title Random Banter #167 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=213053)
Tragic_Comedian's Tremendously Tropical Random Banter #168 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=215180)
Qwertystop's Quickly Quilted, Quip-filled Random Banter #169 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=217326)
Thufir's Thupremely Thatithfying Thecond Random Banter With a Lithp #170 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=219654)
Feytalist's Fantastically Freakish First Random Banter #171 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=222713)
Dragonprime's Dashing Delight-fu Dazzling Dualistic Random Banter #172
Castaras' Random Banter #173: Bringing back your nostalgic Great Old Ones (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=229164)
Pokemon-freak89's Random Banter number eleventy-twelve... uhh... I mean... number 174 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=231235)
Dark Elf Bard's Random Banter #175:Playin' Underdark Jazz since the Drow went dark. (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=235950)
Mutant Sheep's Post Septaquintaquinquecentennial ApRiL fOoLs Random Banter: #176 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=238117)
Elemental's Excitingly Excellent Random Banter: No.CLXXVII (177) (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=13163770)
Amiel's Appeasingly Appropriate Arbitrary Amusement (Random Banter): No.CLXXVIII #178 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=245179)
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Rater202

2021-09-20, 09:31 AM

Keltest

2021-09-20, 09:48 AM

A comment Zodi made in one of her let's play threads has given me the mental image of curing my achy bones by channeling the raw power of elemental earth into them.

They can't break down under where and tear if they're made of alternating layers of granite.

You'd be surprised at just what kind of wear and tear granite is subject to.

Also, i would think having bones made of granite would make mobility a struggle.

Fyraltari

2021-09-20, 09:49 AM

You'd be surprised at just what kind of wear and tear granite is subject to.

Also, i would think having bones made of granite would make mobility a struggle.

Also Ithink having bones that heavy would make using your hands a lot more complicated.

Anonymouswizard

2021-09-20, 09:53 AM

My girlfriend's gone off to the wilds of uni as a mild* student. Anyway missing her.

I did make sure she had the crucial advice though: get to all your lectures, and most people aren't having as much sex as they claim they are.

* Stage before mature.

enderlord99

2021-09-20, 10:00 AM

I... don't think you should have a "girlfriend" below the age of maturity when you yourself are above it.

EDIT: Apparently "mature" starts at 21 for the purpose of university. Never mind, then.

Mystic Muse

2021-09-20, 10:00 AM

A comment Zodi made in one of her let's play threads has given me the mental image of curing my achy bones by channeling the raw power of elemental earth into them.

They can't break down under where and tear if they're made of alternating layers of granite.

Men sleep tonight with hands of bone
They will awake with hands of steel
And with these hands we will destroy
And with these hands we will rebuild
And we will stand above our city
Rising high above her streets
From tops of buildings we will look
At all that lies beneath our feet
And we will raise our hands above us
Cold steel shining in the sun
And with these hands that will not bleed
My father's battle will be won!

(They're sad, but I heartily recommend the Protomen Act 1 and Act 2. So long as you're willing to wait until after Half-Life FOUR releases for Act 3).

Anonymouswizard

2021-09-20, 10:05 AM

I... don't think you should have a "girlfriend" below the age of maturity when you yourself are above it.

EDIT: Apparently "mature" starts at 21 for the purpose of university. Never mind, then.

Okay, to be fair then she is married. But only just!

But I think, just like cheeses, students are better matured :smallwink:

Rater202

2021-09-20, 10:10 AM

Also I think having bones that heavy would make using your hands a lot more complicated.

Well, obviously I'd have to channel the power of elemental water into my musculature until I have the strength of a tsunami to compensate.

And maybe raw fire into my heart until it has the power of a nuclear reactor.

We're talking some cultivation novel crap right now, Fyraltari. The rules are whatever we say they are.

It's not like when I'm talking bout the most reliable ways to get specific powers in Marvel Comics or trying to figure out just what the results of combining Dr. Gero's, Dr. Myuu', Dr. Lychee's, Doctor Weelo's, Lord Jaguar's, and Towa's technology to create a perfect artificial body would be like in Dragon Ball. Don't gotta work with a predefined set of rules.

Peelee

2021-09-20, 10:20 AM

I have to say, for being the Great Frozen North, the weather up here is delightful. Though even in Alabama that's the case as September ends.

Keltest

2021-09-20, 10:36 AM

I have to say, for being the Great Frozen North, the weather up here is delightful. Though even in Alabama that's the case as September ends.

We are at the nice part of the year where the weather stops trying to drive us out for a bit, yes. Now we get like an entire week before it starts getting cold and uncomfortable!

Peelee

2021-09-20, 11:02 AM

We are at the nice part of the year where the weather stops trying to drive us out for a bit, yes. Now we get like an entire week before it starts getting cold and uncomfortable!

Huzzah!

Also, there are like no Pokestops here.

Form

2021-09-20, 11:08 AM

Men sleep tonight with hands of bone
They will awake with hands of steel
And with these hands we will destroy
And with these hands we will rebuild
And we will stand above our city
Rising high above her streets
From tops of buildings we will look
At all that lies beneath our feet
And we will raise our hands above us
Cold steel shining in the sun
And with these hands that will not bleed
My father's battle will be won!

(They're sad, but I heartily recommend the Protomen Act 1 and Act 2. So long as you're willing to wait until after Half-Life FOUR releases for Act 3).

I am happy to see I'm not the only one who has heard of the Protomen! My favorite track of theirs is probably Vengeance. They put a lot of emotion in their music and that's what I like about them.

Mystic Muse

2021-09-20, 11:12 AM

I am happy to see I'm not the only one who has heard of the Protomen! My favorite track of theirs is probably Vengeance. They put a lot of emotion in their music and that's what I like about them.

Favorite from Act 1 is probably "The Will of One."

I like a lot of Act 2. Gonna say it's a tie between "The Hounds" and "Light Up the Night."

My current favorite of theirs, and probably one of my top 5 favorite songs in general, is "Hold Back the Night."

Bartmanhomer

2021-09-20, 11:35 AM

I love this random banter thread title. :smile:

Mystic Muse

2021-09-20, 11:40 AM

Ended up having a work thing I have to do when exam was scheduled.

Re-scheduled for Sunday. Will be better to be well-rested, and go over a few things I'm still iffy on anyway.

Form

2021-09-20, 11:46 AM

Huzzah!

Also, there are like no Pokestops here.

Well, so much for hunting them to extinction yourself.

I love this random banter thread title. :smile:

Aw, thanks. I do try. :smallsmile:

Ended up having a work thing I have to do when exam was scheduled.

Re-scheduled for Sunday. Will be better to be well-rested, and go over a few things I'm still iffy on anyway.

Aw, bugger, I can imagine wanting to get it over with. Still, might as well take advantage of the extra time. Certainly can't hurt!

HalfTangible

2021-09-20, 02:05 PM

Men sleep tonight with hands of bone
They will awake with hands of steel
And with these hands we will destroy
And with these hands we will rebuild
And we will stand above our city
Rising high above her streets
From tops of buildings we will look
At all that lies beneath our feet
And we will raise our hands above us
Cold steel shining in the sun
And with these hands that will not bleed
My father's battle will be won!

(They're sad, but I heartily recommend the Protomen Act 1 and Act 2. So long as you're willing to wait until after Half-Life FOUR releases for Act 3).

There is a flame that I've been fannin'
There is a fire waitin' to catch
There is a hell that has been building from the moment we first met
If there ever was a time
If there ever was a chance
To undo the things I've done and wash these bloodstains from my hands
It has past and been forgotten
These are the paths that we must take
Cuz you and I, Tom, we are men
And we can bend and we can break

Tvtyrant

2021-09-20, 02:23 PM

Protomen were a great band! And I am sure Act III and Halflife III will come out together haha.

Anonymouswizard

2021-09-20, 03:07 PM

Protomen were a great band! And I am sure Act III and Halflife III will come out together haha.

I'm fairly certain it'll be called Half Life 2: Episode 2: Act 1.

Tvtyrant

2021-09-20, 03:10 PM

I'm fairly certain it'll be called Half Life 2: Episode 2: Act 1.

There's a lady whose sure
That all that's vapor is gold
and she's buying a ship in star citizen!~~

DataNinja

2021-09-20, 03:23 PM

Oh boy, new thread! ...but, wait, what does a new thread smell like? Is it an ozone-y smell? OR the smell of a new book? Or what? :smalltongue:

HalfTangible

2021-09-20, 03:28 PM

I'm fairly certain it'll be called Half Life 2: Episode 2: Act 1.

Half Life 4: The meme will not die

There's a lady whose sure
That all that's vapor is gold
and she's buying a ship in star citizen!~~

At least Star Citizen has a playable demo.

Oh boy, new thread! ...but, wait, what does a new thread smell like? Is it an ozone-y smell? OR the smell of a new book? Or what? :smalltongue:

I always imagined new books.

sktarq

2021-09-20, 03:31 PM

Oh boy, new thread! ...but, wait, what does a new thread smell like? Is it an ozone-y smell? OR the smell of a new book? Or what? :smalltongue:

As I'm not usually this early I tend to use THIS (https://www.amazon.com/Chemical-Guys-AIR_101_16-Freshener-Eliminator/dp/B002J7VX4Y) on threads the first time I show up, in order to make it feel like I was there at the start. So that's what I think new threads smell like.

Rater202

2021-09-20, 03:51 PM

Hypothetical from Team Four Star's Legacy of Goku playthrough.

Would you rather have:

1: the ability to fly, but only in the four cardinal directions a set height from the ground and only for 15 body lengths of flight at time(though you can stay in the air indefinitely when not moving) and you need "fuel" to recharge it—the fuel is just kind of scattered around the world with anywhere from one to half a dozen every couple of acres, and they "respawn" every few seconds.

(Basically, how flight worked in the orignal Legacy of Goku game)

Or 2: Telekinesis with an infinite field of movement in all directions, but you can only lift something that weighs a pound or less, with a full pound being "strenuous lifting."

Tvtyrant

2021-09-20, 04:17 PM

Rater202

2021-09-20, 04:19 PM

B, even ignoring that it doesn't have a limit on how fast I can move things. Infinite field of movement means I can slowly lift stuff into orbit, for one, and two makes my everyday life incomparably better. Floating is cool and all, and makes hangliding a lot safer, but I will take telekinesis.

I forgot to mention, the flight is faster than your running speed.

Edit: Also, they started adding caveats to the TK during the conversation because one of the commentators was actively looking for loopholes: One object at a time, but a container and its contents are one object so you can't lift forty individual quarters but a roll of quarters is fine. Inversly, you can loft individual objects in a container without affecting the rest—the examples given were manipulating a pound of gas within an oxygen tank and killing someone by grabbing their heart.

You would not be able to fly by lifting the >1lb glove you're wearing.

If a pound of force can break something, you could move such an object a pound at a time: Example given was a puddle of water too big to walk around.

Anonymouswizard

2021-09-20, 04:27 PM

B is the obvious choice.

Even setting aside the fact that A didn't let you threaten the person running this thing into giving you both, the flight is of little practical value in my life.

Plus garment makers insist on making buttons tiny, which is not nice for us uncoordinated folk. Telekinesis with a half kilo weight limit makes my life easier without removing the inventive to exercise (even without trying to abuse it).

Peelee

2021-09-20, 04:30 PM

I would just like to say that that game apparently had terrible mechanics, if those are the options.

gooddragon1

2021-09-20, 04:36 PM

https://y.yarn.co/6ee5f072-3dfc-4cf8-9105-4e2a09a95d59_text.gif

No bigger than a Русскийese...

Rater202

2021-09-20, 04:38 PM

I've edited my most recent post with context from later in the video.
I would just like to say that that game apparently had terrible mechanics, if those are the options.

Yeah. That was what prompted the conversation.

Lanipator expressed frustration with the crappy flight mechanics by asking, rhetorically, who would want that kind of flight power... And then Grant/MasterWuggles points out that while it's a lame power it's a power that he doesn't have and that tit's at least situationally useful.

Which then leads to Lanipator makng up the TK power as an alternative and present it as a binary choice.

Anonymouswizard

2021-09-20, 04:46 PM

I've edited my most recent post with context from later in the video.

Yeah. That was what prompted the conversation.

Lanipator expressed frustration with the crappy flight mechanics by asking, rhetorically, who would want that kind of flight power... And then Grant/MasterWuggles points out that while it's a lame power it's a power that he doesn't have and that tit's at least situationally useful.

Which then leads to Lanipator makng up the TK power as an alternative and present it as a binary choice.

The thing is, while the flight would be cool to have if it was the only option the TK just blows it out of the water for me. Because of the 'makes my everyday life better' aspects. None of the limits even affect the reasons why I'd be taking it.

Rater202

2021-09-20, 04:48 PM

The thing is, while the flight would be cool to have if it was the only option the TK just blows it out of the water for me. Because of the 'makes my everyday life better' aspects. None of the limits even affect the reasons why I'd be taking it.

Yeah, that was basically what they concluded. Just more useful on a daily basis.

Peelee

2021-09-20, 05:04 PM

Rater202

2021-09-20, 05:08 PM

What to specialize as is one heck of a thinker.

My inner edgelord says necromancy, my inner pyromaniac says evocation.

Anonymouswizard

2021-09-20, 05:22 PM

Btw, fun day! I got sworn in and have a fancy access card and got a lot of info and in a couple years or so I can choose to specialize in something! Man, I'm really feeling like a D&D wizard right now. What to specialize as is one heck of a thinker.

The guides all suggest Conjuration or Transmutation, but they're a couple of editions our of date.

Side note, I'm sick of hearing 'just watch somebody else play it' every time I suggest games should be accessible for people with dyspraxia. It happens with Dark Souls, it happens with Undertale, I'm just tired of hearing it. Can somebody please explain to these people that the point of a game is to play it, so watching a game I can't play doesn't actually since the issue.

Also I literally can't remember if Undertale has an easy mode.

DataNinja

2021-09-20, 05:22 PM

Peelee

2021-09-20, 05:31 PM

My inner edgelord says necromancy
I got nothin'.

my inner pyromaniac says evocation.
Ah, overwhelming firepower!

The guides all suggest Conjuration or transmutation
Quartermaster for both.

Clearly divination.
Surveillance/intelligence, you say?

Beeftank

2021-09-20, 05:34 PM

What school of magic would allow you to fly 15 body lengths in a cardinal direction a few feet off the ground? Don’t do that one.

LaZodiac

2021-09-20, 09:57 PM

A comment Zodi made in one of her let's play threads has given me the mental image of curing my achy bones by channeling the raw power of elemental earth into them.

They can't break down under where and tear if they're made of alternating layers of granite.

See you think I'm joking but bones are made of calcium and calcium is a mineral. Bones are just living rocks that bleed. Bones are, in as much a sense as they can be, an organ that creates blood. It's what bone marrow is. They're just in-rocks that bleed!

enderlord99

2021-09-20, 10:15 PM

factotum

2021-09-20, 11:17 PM

Ice is also a mineral, and around 70% of the Earth's surface is covered in lava.

Uh? Gonna need a [citation needed] on that one. I don't think even 70% of La Palma's surface is covered in lava, and that's currently undergoing an active volcanic eruption!

halfeye

2021-09-20, 11:28 PM

Uh? Gonna need a [citation needed] on that one. I don't think even 70% of La Palma's surface is covered in lava, and that's currently undergoing an active volcanic eruption!

In so far as ice is a rock, then water is lava. :smallwink:

enderlord99

2021-09-20, 11:32 PM

In so far as ice is a rock, then water is lava. :smallwink:

That is what I meant, yes.

Form

2021-09-21, 03:08 AM

Lava is liquid, my blood is liquid. Lava is red, my blood is red. Therefore, my blood is lava. QED.

Lacco

2021-09-21, 03:21 AM

Rater202

2021-09-21, 08:45 AM

See you think I'm joking but bones are made of calcium and calcium is a mineral. Bones are just living rocks that bleed. Bones are, in as much a sense as they can be, an organ that creates blood. It's what bone marrow is. They're just in-rocks that bleed!

Actually, I wasn't thinking you were joking.

You just reminded me of a concept I think is neat.

My first introduction to the concept was finding out about Pretisque Race in D&D 3.5. A concept wherein you take a "sculpt self" feat and could then pay XP to augment yourself on a conceptual level along specific paths. There was one for each element, as well as a clockwork cyborg one and a "sacred" one.

My only problem with it was... Well, for one, paying XP for stuff is always a bad choice, and that some of the paths were arbitrarily shorter than others.

And also the wind path was incompatible with the Earth path and the Water Path was incompatible with the fire and earth paths. So you could be wind and water, wind and fire, or earth and fire but you couldn't be Captain Planet.

Would have been nice if the fluff and the mechanics had matched up. With the "Mineral Patch" by the time you've taken all four levels your body is a solid mass of adamantine and you'd think that that would be worth more than a paltry +4 natural armor. There's some other stuff, but come on. You ant tell me that I'm literally made of the most durable metal in the core game, a metal so hard that armor of it innately gives damage reduction, and weapons made of it ignore the hardness of other materials, from the surface of my skin to the core of my bones and expect me o believe that that's only worth for points of natural armor.

Form

2021-09-21, 10:17 AM

Actually, I wasn't thinking you were joking.

You just reminded me of a concept I think is neat.

My first introduction to the concept was finding out about Pretisque Race in D&D 3.5. A concept wherein you take a "sculpt self" feat and could then pay XP to augment yourself on a conceptual level along specific paths. There was one for each element, as well as a clockwork cyborg one and a "sacred" one.

My only problem with it was... Well, for one, paying XP for stuff is always a bad choice, and that some of the paths were arbitrarily shorter than others.

And also the wind path was incompatible with the Earth path and the Water Path was incompatible with the fire and earth paths. So you could be wind and water, wind and fire, or earth and fire but you couldn't be Captain Planet.

Would have been nice if the fluff and the mechanics had matched up. With the "Mineral Patch" by the time you've taken all four levels your body is a solid mass of adamantine and you'd think that that would be worth more than a paltry +4 natural armor. There's some other stuff, but come on. You ant tell me that I'm literally made of the most durable metal in the core game, a metal so hard that armor of it innately gives damage reduction, and weapons made of it ignore the hardness of other materials, from the surface of my skin to the core of my bones and expect me o believe that that's only worth for points of natural armor.

That kind of self-modification is cool. Maybe they wanted to prevent players from buying permanent upgrades to their character (in addition to just equipment) via stuff that's easily replaced, like gold, on top of levelling up. It might work better if it's integrated into levelling up instead of having what sounds like essentially an extra path parallel to levelling.

Rater202

2021-09-21, 10:42 AM

That kind of self-modification is cool. Maybe they wanted to prevent players from buying permanent upgrades to their character (in addition to just equipment) via stuff that's easily replaced, like gold, on top of levelling up. It might work better if it's integrated into levelling up instead of having what sounds like essentially an extra path parallel to levelling.

It's presented like creating your own magic items, except without the gold price. Some alternatives to XP would be better becuase paying XP is almost never worth it.

The dragon magazine article they're originally from also suggests that it might be possible to "harvest" them from a defeated enemy.

But my problem is mostly that the fluff doesn't match the effects.

Like, a set of Masterwork Adamantine Full plate gives a +9 armor bonus and Dr 3/—. But according to this mechanic having all of your flesh being a solid sheet of adamantine is only worth +4 natural armor. I'm sorry, but I think that several inches of solid metal should be more durable than 1-3 millimeters of th same in various plates riveted together with assorted structural weak points. I mean, even accounting for the fact that it's your flesh and therefore damage to it as damage to you there should at least be some DR.

And "cast meld into stone once a day as a character like thirteen levels lower than where it seems you're intended to have this ability" does not equal "the earth welcomes you always without any barriers between you."

It's presented as some epic transcendental transformation that you assume in stages but the end result is really underwhelming.

Concept cool, execution leaves much to be desired.

Jasdoif

2021-09-21, 11:44 AM

It's presented like creating your own magic items, except without the gold price. Some alternatives to XP would be better becuase paying XP is almost never worth it.One-time payments of XP are tolerable, if slightly weird; you'll get most of the XP back eventually (assuming your DM is using 3.5 "everyone gets XP based on their personal ECL" instead of 3.0 "everyone gets XP based on the the average party level"). It's the perpetual drains, like levels that aren't worth their weight (all the way down to level adjustments that aren't worth anything), that are almost never worth it....Which, incidentally, is probably why LA buyoff is so popular; converting the latter into the former.

factotum

2021-09-21, 12:00 PM

Like, a set of Masterwork Adamantine Full plate gives a +9 armor bonus and Dr 3/—. But according to this mechanic having all of your flesh being a solid sheet of adamantine is only worth +4 natural armor. I'm sorry, but I think that several inches of solid metal should be more durable than 1-3 millimeters of th same in various plates riveted together with assorted structural weak points.

The thing is, though, your flesh can't possibly be completely solid adamantium, because then you wouldn't be able to move! Either there have to be joints in the protection, just as with normal armour, or the flesh variant can't be as rigid (and thus not as protective) as regular adamantium. Either would be an adequate explanation for the numbers given.

Metastachydium

2021-09-21, 12:03 PM

It's presented as some epic transcendental transformation that you assume in stages but the end result is really underwhelming.

Concept cool, execution leaves much to be desired.

Eh, if you don't like that, you can always take the green star adept route instead!
(Which, on second thought, is actually something I could see you go for. Hm.)

Rater202

2021-09-21, 12:12 PM

The thing is, though, your flesh can't possibly be completely solid adamantium, because then you wouldn't be able to move! Either there have to be joints in the protection, just as with normal armour, or the flesh variant can't be as rigid (and thus not as protective) as regular adamantium. Either would be an adequate explanation for the numbers given.It explicitly says you're solid adamantine, so... The answer is magic.

Also, the Green Star Adept Class grants a similar effect, with a metal that is mechanically similar to adamantine but with additional effects, and grants, among othe things, +6 natural armor and Dr/10 Adamantine.

And you're not solid metal as a green star adept. You're just heavily infused with it.

Anonymouswizard

2021-09-21, 12:41 PM

One-time payments of XP are tolerable, if slightly weird; you'll get most of the XP back eventually (assuming your DM is using 3.5 "everyone gets XP based on their personal ECL" instead of 3.0 "everyone gets XP based on the the average party level"). It's the perpetual drains, like levels that aren't worth their weight (all the way down to level adjustments that aren't worth anything), that are almost never worth it....Which, incidentally, is probably why LA buyoff is so popular; converting the latter into the former.

I've started to wonder if the 3.X advice that XP costs hurt more than GP costs is actually true. As you say, if you spend XP you'll essentially get more to 'catch you up'. Meanwhile spending gold on consumables doesn't make the rules tell the GM to give you more to catch you up (although I believe there is some extra in standard generated treasure for consumables).

Rater202

2021-09-21, 12:57 PM

Eh, if you don't like that, you can always take the green star adept route instead!
(Which, on second thought, is actually something I could see you go for. Hm.)
Completly honest, even if the let down of the mechanic effects I'd still prefer prestige race Mineral Path over Green Star Adept.

Green Star Adept i more of an investment and requires you to actually have star metal to consume.

Like, given the choice I'd prefer internal alchemy(making sure that certain concepts or intangible energies are refined and balanced within yourself) vs traditional alchemy. Internal alchemy you screw up and you make no progress. traditional alchemy you screw up nd you get heavy metal poisoning. Green Star Adept is traditional alchemy.

If we're going with a transcendental prestige class I'd go with Elemental Savant just becuase you actually transform into what it says you do. Whatever elemental you pick, you get all those powers. All the benefits, none of the drawbacks.

Though in that case, I'd prefer wind over earth. Being able to fly, strike down my enemies with blasts of lightning, and transform into a whirlwind appeals to me more than burrowing through the ground and melting people with acid.

I've started to wonder if the 3.X advice that XP costs hurt more than GP costs is actually true. As you say, if you spend XP you'll essentially get more to 'catch you up'. Meanwhile spending gold on consumables doesn't make the rules tell the GM to give you more to catch you up (although I believe there is some extra in standard generated treasure for consumables).

Consumable items are a standard part of both loot and anything you'd find in a shop. XP penalties only come from making your own magic items and casting certain spells that have been arbitrarily judged to be too powerful even though things like Wish or Miracle have other built-in drawbacks.

Likewise with costly material components. The game is built around spending gold to pay for temporary benefits.

XP penalties are effectively punishing you for not being content with the standard races or what the random treasure chart elects to give you.

Also, it assumes the GM is willing to go to the effort of calculating separate XP.

Metastachydium

2021-09-21, 01:28 PM

Completly honest, even if the let down of the mechanic effects I'd still prefer prestige race Mineral Path over Green Star Adept.

Green Star Adept i more of an investment and requires you to actually have star metal to consume.

That's mostly just a money issue. (Also, elemental savant also requires magic and (non-physical) stuff.)

you screw up nd you get heavy metal poisoning. Green Star Adept is traditional alchemy.

I'm not sure there are rules for getting heavy metal poisoning from consuming star metal. It sure doesn't sound tasty, though.

strike down my enemies with blasts of lightning

I personally prefer not having enemies that need to be struck down, but hey.

Anyhow, it's your fantasies. If you are happy with elemental savant (but not with green star adept), I suppose I'll just be happy that you are happy.

Form

2021-09-21, 01:31 PM

factotum

2021-09-21, 02:02 PM

It explicitly says you're solid adamantine, so... The answer is magic.

If it's just magic then why bother with the adamantium at all? Just have a magic force field that blocks damage. Similar to the character "Golden Boy" from the "Wild Cards" novels, who has a biological force field that makes him effectively invulnerable to things like guns, knives etc., although it's suggested it wouldn't protect him against a long fall. (It's a bit inconsistent there, mind you, because he gets hit by a speeding car at one point and thrown some distance down the road, but suffers no damage from that).

Rater202

2021-09-21, 02:09 PM

Anyhow, it's your fantasies. If you are happy with elemental savant (but not with green star adept), I suppose I'll just be happy that you are happy.

I spent eight years earning degrees in history and sociology.

You learn something about human nature doing that. Why people act the way they do, in general, in specific circumstances.

If you have power, you have enemies. There will be people who fear your power, people who want to use your power, and people who think you having power means they themselves have less power.

In the case of an elemental savant... Well, I prefer spontaneous casting so by the time I'd hypothetically be "transcended" I'm at least a 16th level arcane caster.

Lot of power there. My very existence would be seen as a threat by some people.

I also learned right and wrong as a kid from Spider-Man, so... You know. I'd feel morally obligated to use my vast powers to help people. Even if all of human history is wrong and my very existence doesn't earn me enemies, I'd make enemies.
If it's just magic then why bother with the adamantium at all? Just have a magic force field that blocks damage. Similar to the character "Golden Boy" from the "Wild Cards" novels, who has a biological force field that makes him effectively invulnerable to things like guns, knives etc., although it's suggested it wouldn't protect him against a long fall. (It's a bit inconsistent there, mind you, because he gets hit by a speeding car at one point and thrown some distance down the road, but suffers no damage from that).
Becuase at that point you're not transcending anything, you've just got a superpower.

The Preteique race thing is that you're solving taking some concept into yourself and transforming in response. The first level of the mineral path, your understanding and connection to the primal elemental force of Earth makes your bones as dense and stone and turns your flesh dark and gritty. the next level your flesh is soil, your skin is rocks and pebbles, and your blood is mud. Lext level is a skin of steal and pulsing magma for muscles.

Then Solid Adamantine.

You're basically becoming some kind of heavily refined elemental.

If it was just about power I'd skip the D&D stuff and either go with the symbiote hybrid thing or maybe the dragon ball thing that's been on my mind.

Anonymouswizard

2021-09-21, 02:13 PM

Isn't the same true of XP, though? There's nothing that forces a GM to give XP to their players. Official games are a different story, but in principle items, currency and XP rewards are up to the whims of your GM.

Yes, but RAW the XP given by a monster increases as your level drops, but the treasure it gives out doesn't. Hence 'as written', any attempt to abuse such rules in game should only be rewarded with a slap to the face.

But strictly as written an XP cost is harsher than a GP cost until you're a lower level then your team, at which point it starts to create. A better balancing method would be to make other characters be able to get something mechanically useful out of downtime (rules for making contacts and seeking out rare items spring to mind) and attaching side effects to powerful spells (I'd go for levels of fatigue or the like).

Actually, I like running magical drain and mundane exhaustion off of the same fatigue track. Just kind of hard to properly balance such s thing.

Jasdoif

2021-09-21, 02:25 PM

I've started to wonder if the 3.X advice that XP costs hurt more than GP costs is actually true. As you say, if you spend XP you'll essentially get more to 'catch you up'. Meanwhile spending gold on consumables doesn't make the rules tell the GM to give you more to catch you up (although I believe there is some extra in standard generated treasure for consumables).XP costs do hurt more than GP costs. You will catch up on most of the XP, eventually; but you'll be doing the catching up when you're a level behind the rest of your party (and thus getting around a third more XP on the same encounters), and being behind on your class abilities and hit points (and to a lesser extent a possible point in base saves/attack/skills) can certainly hurt. Meanwhile, paying for stuff is basically all gold does; the non-literal price of buying things with gold is the opportunity cost of not being able to use the same gold to buy something else.

Also, the value of treasure by level and level-appropriate gear by level scale exponentially, so player wealth does have self-correction similar to player XP. You can also spend all your gold on one thing if you really want to; whereas the rule that you can't spend enough XP to lose a level forms the main reason of using XP costs in the first place, in that it's something you can't do continuously even if you wanted to. Admittedly, a dedicated "use it or lose it" resource that refreshes when you gain a level could probably have done that better (or at least less messily at the high level); but given how long it took to come up with ways to share XP costs for crafting (http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/we/20060526a), I don't think this was a well-recognized scenario when "hey, what if we let players craft their own magic items for less gold, and charged them XP to keep them from becoming gold factories" first came up in a designer's head.

Peelee

2021-09-21, 07:26 PM

Apparently for every one person in my class, there were eighteen rejections. And it seems to be a fantastic time to be getting in, as far as potential upward mobility goes.

Rater202

2021-09-21, 07:37 PM

Apparently for every one person in my class, there were eighteen rejections. And it seems to be a fantastic time to be getting in, as far as potential upward mobility goes.
Congratulations, Future Head of whatever the Hell it is your doing now.

Peelee

2021-09-21, 08:04 PM

Congratulations, Future Head of whatever the Hell it is your doing now.

Thanks! If by some slim chance I do get to head up the department, that would be one hell of a feather in my cap.

factotum

2021-09-21, 10:51 PM

One thing I'm not clear on, Peelee--will you be able to live in Birmingham and do this job once you've done all the training? Or is this effectively a permanent move to the Frozen North?

Peelee

2021-09-21, 10:58 PM

One thing I'm not clear on, Peelee--will you be able to live in Birmingham and do this job once you've done all the training? Or is this effectively a permanent move to the Frozen North?

I suppose I could live in Birmingham but the commute would be hell. The job is very much D.C. based. Though one or two of the specialist routes does have a good amount of travel, but I would have no control over where that travel is to, or how long the stays would be.

factotum

2021-09-22, 04:26 AM

That's a darn shame, it makes that massive building thingy you did a bit of a waste...

Fyraltari

2021-09-22, 04:39 AM

That's a darn shame, it makes that massive building thingy you did a bit of a waste...

Don't worry, Peelee is just not allowed to tell us that the alphabet has alien teleportation devices in their basement.

Anonymouswizard

2021-09-22, 05:03 AM

Don't worry, Peelee is just not allowed to tell us that the alphabet has alien teleportation devices in their basement.

Yes, and they'll transport his masterpiece once they've translated the controls.

Peelee

2021-09-22, 05:36 AM

That's a darn shame, it makes that massive building thingy you did a bit of a waste...

Not really. House is fully paid off, and we don't plan on selling. My wife and I have worked out the logistics for the next year or so. We did know the deal before we bought all the stuff, after all.

Form

2021-09-22, 06:04 AM

Thanks! If by some slim chance I do get to head up the department, that would be one hell of a feather in my cap.

But you're already a moderator on the Giant in the Playground forums! How much more authority could you possibly want?! :smalltongue:

Bartmanhomer

2021-09-22, 06:44 AM

But you're already a moderator on the Giant in the Playground forums! How much more authority could you possibly want?! :smalltongue:

I think Peelee wants Roland's job as the administrator and plans on world domination. :smile:

Rater202

2021-09-22, 10:48 AM

But you're already a moderator on the Giant in the Playground forums! How much more authority could you possibly want?! :smalltongue:

Don't you remember the song? Everybody wants to rule the world.

Fyraltari

2021-09-22, 10:51 AM

Don't you remember the song? Everybody wants to rule the world.

Urrgh, that's like, work and responsability, pass.

HalfTangible

2021-09-22, 02:01 PM

Don't you remember the song? Everybody wants to rule the world.

The one song I can recall about ruling the world laments that the person ever did it.

Urrgh, that's like, work and responsability, pass.

I mean, work and responsibility gives a person purpose. :smalltongue:

Rater202

2021-09-22, 02:08 PM

I mean, work and responsibility gives a person purpose. :smalltongue:

That the Cult of Work talking.

Work in and of itself has no value, it's the rewards of work and responsibility that people want. Money, goods, personal fulfillment.

It's not work that people want or need. It's feeling productive. You could live on an island with all of your needs met for your entire life and be unhappy. A job won't make you happy, unless it's work you find meaningful, but if sitting around carving things out of driftwood becuase you like whittling makes you feel productive then that's all you need

Mystic Muse

2021-09-22, 02:22 PM

The one song I can recall about ruling the world laments that the person ever did it.

Viva La Vida by Coldplay?

Peelee

2021-09-22, 02:24 PM

That the Cult of Work talking.

Work in and of itself has no value, it's the rewards of work and responsibility that people want. Money, goods, personal fulfillment.

It's not work that people want or need. It's feeling productive. You could live on an island with all of your needs met for your entire life and be unhappy. A job won't make you happy, unless it's work you find meaningful, but if sitting around carving things out of driftwood becuase you like whittling makes you feel productive then that's all you need

That's like saying it's not the fall that kills you, it's the sudden stop at the end. Sure, that's technically correct, but the two are pretty intrinsically linked.

Metastachydium

2021-09-22, 02:26 PM

I mean, work and responsibility gives a person purpose.

Purpose is overrated.

HalfTangible

2021-09-22, 02:45 PM

That the Cult of Work talking.

Work in and of itself has no value, it's the rewards of work and responsibility that people want. Money, goods, personal fulfillment.

It's not work that people want or need. It's feeling productive. You could live on an island with all of your needs met for your entire life and be unhappy. A job won't make you happy, unless it's work you find meaningful, but if sitting around carving things out of driftwood becuase you like whittling makes you feel productive then that's all you need

...
"It's not work that people want or need"
Very next sentence: "It's feeling productive"

HalfTangible

2021-09-22, 02:47 PM

Viva La Vida by Coldplay?

Yes.

Though initially I thought you meant Livin' la Vida Loca by Ricky Martin.

Rater202

2021-09-22, 03:03 PM

That's like saying it's not the fall that kills you, it's the sudden stop at the end. Sure, that's technically correct, but the two are pretty intrincisally linked.

...
"It's not work that people want or need"
Very next sentence: "It's feeling productive"

"Work" in the context of "work is what gives you purpose" is usually meant as the idea of working continuously with no true end goal. The idea that work in and of itself is what is important.

"Productivity" is not "work." I don't do any "work" to read a book, and yet spending time reading to me feels like I have done something productive. My writing is not "work," the way it's being used in the sense of the phrase "work gives you purpose." It is something I put effort into, yes, but the people who mostly propagate the idea that "work gives you purpose" woulnd't consider it to be work. And yet, i feel like I've done something productive when I finish writing a chapter for one of my stories.

Peelee

2021-09-22, 03:04 PM

Tvtyrant

2021-09-22, 03:08 PM

I disagree.

I somewhat agree with Rater here. Assuming by "work" we mean "labor for sake of material gain" such as a job or making something for sale, there's no inherit personal benefit for the laborer other then said material gain. Painting for its own sake is as beneficial as painting for market.

Peelee

2021-09-22, 03:11 PM

Rater202

2021-09-22, 03:17 PM

I somewhat agree with Rater here. Assuming by "work" we mean "labor for sake of material gain" such as a job or making something for sale, there's no inherit personal benefit for the laborer other then said material gain. Painting for its own sake is as beneficial as painting for market.

Kind of. That's part of it.

The "Cult of Work" philosophy boils down to "working hard is the only thing you need to feel fulfilled, happy, and be successful."

The truth is, working hard only makes you feel successful, productive, fulfilled, or happy when you see tangible benefits from the fruits of your labor. Conversely, there are things that can make you happy, fulfilled, or products that do not require much in the way of effort, at least not the kind of effort that would be considered "work," at all.

It can tie into working for material gain, but it doesn't have to.

It's trying to convince you that performing labor is the same as benefitting from the fruits of labor.

Tvtyrant

2021-09-22, 03:19 PM

"Work gives you purpose" is clearly meant to be both the act and the result. If one's work was moving a box back and forth between two points, nobody would ever say that gives purpose, because that is lacking any benefit.

I disagree with that assessment. There was a large cultural movement to make labor a source of identity in the Nineteenth and Twentieth Centuries, distinct from the merits of that work. Factory work was tedious and alienating, and cultural mores justifying this were developed that argued that just working hard was itself a moral virtue.

Labor's Lost Love is a good book on the subject, but the saying isn't necessarily from a modern "enjoy your work" approach.

Edit: I also don't think this is an out of date critique. Hustle culture is a real thing, where being overworked is celebrated and work-life boundaries are depicted as lazy.

Rater202

2021-09-22, 03:31 PM

I disagree with that assessment. There was a large cultural movement to make labor a source of identity in the Nineteenth and Twentieth Centuries, distinct from the merits of that work. Factory work was tedious and alienating, and cultural mores justifying this were developed that argued that just working hard was itself a moral virtue.

Labor's Lost Love is a good book on the subject, but the saying isn't necessarily from a modern "enjoy your work" approach.

Yes, this, exactly this.

If you enjoy your work tha'ts fine. Good for you(no sarcasm, if you have a job you love then that's great) but the idea that work is what gives you purpose was initially propagated to convince people that if they weren't happy working, it was there own fault and they should suck it up and keep working.

Of course, it's not limited to strict economic work anymore. When I was in college they tried to convince us that we had to spend four hours studying for every hour in class if we wanted to do college right. At 12 hours a week in class that becomes a 60-hour "workweek."

My experience may be anecdotal... But the only classes that required half that much effort were the ones that we being run unfairly or incompetantly.

Peelee

2021-09-22, 03:46 PM

Edit: I also don't think this is an out of date critique. Hustle culture is a real thing, where being overworked is celebrated and work-life boundaries are depicted as lazy.

This is where the real contention is, in going to guess. I totally agree it is out of date and that culturally we are shifting away from this view.

Tvtyrant

2021-09-22, 03:52 PM

This is where the real contention is, in going to guess. I totally agree it is out of date and that culturally we are shifting away from this view.

Maybe in a general sense we are moving away, but the devil is in the details. I work in financial advising and you get the atta boys for staying extra free hours everyday, and the silent treatment if you don't.

There is also a whole bevy of articles above Hustle and Grind culture in the US, where being available to work at any time is seen as necessary for advancement.

Fyraltari

2021-09-22, 04:07 PM

So the French word for work derives from the name of a torture device.

That abouts sums up my position on the matter.

HalfTangible

2021-09-22, 04:08 PM

"Work" in the context of "work is what gives you purpose" is usually meant as the idea of working continuously with no true end goal. The idea that work in and of itself is what is important.

"Productivity" is not "work."In short, you're defining my term for me. K. Nice chatting with you. :smallsigh:

halfeye

2021-09-22, 04:32 PM

In short, you're defining my term for me. K. Nice chatting with you. :smallsigh:

If someone suggests a definition someone else disagrees with, the second person can suggest an alternative definition.

When someone suggests a definition, that isn't necessarily done with aggressive intent, sometimes there is more than one meaning for a word, and it's worth enquiring which is meant.

Peelee

2021-09-22, 04:44 PM

Maybe in a general sense we are moving away, but the devil is in the details. I work in financial advising and you get the atta boys for staying extra free hours everyday, and the silent treatment if you don't.

There is also a whole bevy of articles above Hustle and Grind culture in the US, where being available to work at any time is seen as necessary for advancement.

Imean, if you're asking me if the exempt employment status is also a dinosaur that needs to go, that's also a resounding yes. Maybe I'm optimistic but that viewpoint is in its death throes. Sure, it may seem loud in some places, but that's the deathbed rattle.

It may also come from my hsitory in the medical field and also my new field. Both of which are of the "work costs money" variety, and also are very results oriented.

Jasdoif

2021-09-22, 04:49 PM

Peelee

2021-09-22, 04:53 PM

Unless there is a benefit to moving the box back and forth between the two points. Say, if the box is a container for moving batches of smaller items from one point of processing to another; moving the box back and forth is a direct contributor to the throughput of one point of processing (and thus the maximum throughput of the entire overarching process).

Then it doesn't lack benefit and gives some purpose. We can go to Sisyphus, if that's better.

Jasdoif

2021-09-22, 05:33 PM

"Work gives you purpose" is clearly meant to be both the act and the result. If one's work was moving a box back and forth between two points, nobody would ever say that gives purpose, because that is lacking any benefit.Unless there is a benefit to moving the box back and forth between the two points. Say, if the box is a container for moving batches of smaller items from one point of processing to another; moving the box back and forth is a direct contributor to the throughput of one point of processing (and thus the maximum throughput of the entire overarching process).Then it doesn't lack benefit and gives some purpose.Exactly: exceedingly few tasks are wholly without purpose/benefit. It's all about what the purpose is, and whether pursuit of that purpose looks like benefit to you.

More generally...."Work gives you purpose" is ultimately rooted in the sense of fulfillment involved in completing a task. Something easily found with simple physical labor and the fairly obvious point where the task is done; creative endeavors involve much more effort, especially when considering that "done" is the point where you're confident enough to stop reviewing and refining rather than the moment you reach the "end". I'd have a difficult time accepting that either of those things isn't "work" though.

However far the trite phrase may have been stretched over the years, the concept remains viable to a key audience: those who haven't yet discovered the correlation between accomplishment and fulfillment. There's also the simple fact that there are people who aren't driven by (seemingly) unattainable goals, and they find purpose in less lofty but more attainable pursuits...which might include work.

Rater202

2021-09-23, 09:15 AM

Every so often I have a dream where I have some superpower or special technique from some show or story but when I try to use it it doesn't work.

Last night, for example: You'd be surprised how frustrating it is to know instinctively that you have a Stand and then when you're surrounded by... Some kind of enemy. I want to say ghosts? And then it just stands there, pun not intended, when it would be really useful for it to go and start punching ghosts or something.

"Come on, you're supposed to stand by me and watch my back. That's literally why you're called that!"

Form

2021-09-23, 10:16 AM

Anonymouswizard

2021-09-23, 10:43 AM

Rater202

2021-09-23, 11:00 AM

@Rater: Remember the perfect dream pizza you mentioned in the previous thread, a while back? Suppose I started out with a pepperoni-mushroom pizza, what would you suggest I add? Should it have lots of pepperoni and mushroom? Add oregano, olives or whatever? More meat? Next time I order another pepperoni-mushroom pizza I'd like to know what you would suggest to make it better.

This is, of course, all a matter of personal preference so take this with a grain of salt—I don't actually know what it was I did in the perfect pizza dream—I find that overloading a pizza teds o make it worse. Too many toppings is just... Like, sometimes my family will order a pep mushroom sausage and at one place this ends up very good but at another place the flavors just drown out.

Beyond that, it really depends on where you're ordering from... Though I find that you can't go wrong with extra cheese.

Beeftank

2021-09-23, 11:45 AM

Like what Rater said, sometimes less is more. I don’t like when places cheap on toppings but honestly the two things that make a pizza good more than anything else is the sauce and the crust.

That being said, I like putting oregano and red pepper flakes on my pizza slices.

factotum

2021-09-23, 12:01 PM

So in a few days I might finally be able to play relatively modern games!

Or in other words, brother's donating an old tower that got set up as a gaming PC, I just need to get a wireless keyboard, mouse, and possibly an internal hard drive (which to be fair is relatively cheap). Kind of wondering if I need to go bigger than 500 gigs in the HDD, considering that I'm already using a 2TB external drive for games.

Although I might get an SSD and then get a 2-4TB HDD later, depending on costs.

Specs? I've seen PCs rocking a GT710 graphics card (e.g. maybe capable of running 10-year-old games at 30 fps if you're lucky) sold brand new as "gaming PCs"! Worth checking if the machine has a slot for an M.2 SSD, they're generally cheaper than the regular 2.5" form factor and can often be faster as well.

Rater202

2021-09-23, 12:02 PM

If we're talking post-baking seasoning, a dusting of parmesan goes a long way.

I've never really one red pepper but I've been trying to expand my horizons recently... Might be something to look into.

Also, if stuffed crust is an affordable option, it's usually worth it.

God damn it I'm getting hungry.

Cazero

2021-09-23, 12:12 PM

If one's work was moving a box back and forth between two points, nobody would ever say that gives purpose, because that is lacking any benefit.
Weeping Sisyphus noises.

Form

2021-09-23, 12:33 PM

Right now I'm thinking of pepperoni-mushroom with oregano and a parmesan dusting. Maybe a crust stuffed with cheese? I think it'd get too cheesy for my tastes to go that far though.

Weeping Sisyphus noises.

Can someone tell Sisyphus to get back to work? That boulder ain't rolling itself up that hill. If he's got time to weep, he's got time to roll that boulder. Honestly, can you believe that guy!? Good help is hard to find these days in Ancient Greece!

Anonymouswizard

2021-09-23, 12:33 PM

Specs? I've seen PCs rocking a GT710 graphics card (e.g. maybe capable of running 10-year-old games at 30 fps if you're lucky) sold brand new as "gaming PCs"! Worth checking if the machine has a slot for an M.2 SSD, they're generally cheaper than the regular 2.5" form factor and can often be faster as well.

Specs are nowhere near amazing, it was built (by my brother) as a gaming PC a few years ago. I can't remember the exact graphics card or processor, but I've been warned that for AAA games it'll drop below 30FPS somewhere in the last few years (and when I quoted posts to my girlfriend she confirmed it, she had a very similar setup).

As for drives, I'm waiting until I have it before I order. The case is old enough that I'm not 100% certain it has any kind of SSD mount. I'll have a look when I get my hands on it on Sunday.

Fyraltari

2021-09-23, 12:36 PM

Can someone tell Sisyphus to get back to work? That boulder ain't rolling itself up that hill. If he's got time to weep, he's got time to roll that boulder. Honestly, can you believe that guy!? Good help is hard to find these days in Ancient Greece!
In Hell. Honestly that guy should follow the Danaïdes' example. You never hear them complain!

Rater202

2021-09-23, 01:11 PM

God damn it I'm getting hungry.

Grilled cheese and tomato soup saves the day!

Incidentally, a little bit of Italian seasoning and a little bit of garlic pepper can really punch up a pot of condensed tomato soup.

Now... To not fall asleep.

Lord Raziere

2021-09-23, 01:19 PM

Grilled cheese and tomato soup saves the day!

Incidentally, a little bit of Italian seasoning and a little bit of garlic pepper can really punch up a pot of condensed tomato soup.

Now... To not fall asleep.

I advise playing music, that pumps me up tends to keep me awake. go for rock/heavy metal and no lo-fi.

either that or find something to focus on/archive binge that tells a story, when I'm caught up in a story I know I can't sleep.

Jasdoif

2021-09-23, 01:34 PM

This is, of course, all a matter of personal preference so take this with a grain of salt—I don't actually know what it was I did in the perfect pizza dream—I find that overloading a pizza teds o make it worse. Too many toppings is just... Like, sometimes my family will order a pep mushroom sausage and at one place this ends up very good but at another place the flavors just drown out.Yeah; the trick for a good pizza with numerous toppings is use the array for variety, not volume. Or, I suppose, going for something along the lines of a calzone instead.

Peelee

2021-09-23, 02:44 PM

Way back in the day, I'm talking something like 17-18 years ago now, my best friend and I worked at Domino's and made a pizza we called the Dominator. Took a large thick crust slab, no sauce, topped with cheese, cheddar cheese, and bacon. Took a large thin crust slab, put it on top. Lightly sauced it, topped it with cheese cheddar, and all the meats. When it cooked the thin crust edge draped over the thick edge and it made the thick edge super soft, like a breadstick made out of a cloud.

It was our very favorite pizza.

Rater202

2021-09-23, 02:50 PM

Way back in the day, I'm talking something like 17-18 years ago now, my best friend and I worked at Domino's and made a pizza we called the Dominator. Took a large thick crust slab, no sauce, topped with cheese, cheddar cheese, and bacon. Took a large thin crust slab, put it on top. Lightly sauced it, topped it with cheese cheddar, and all the meats. When it cooked the thin crust edge draped over the thick edge and it made the thick edge super soft, like a breqdstixk made out of a cloud.

It was our very favorite pizza.

I bow before your superior gluttony, oh Wise One,

Peelee

2021-09-23, 02:59 PM

I bow before your superior gluttony, oh Wise One,

It helps when you work there and have both a lot a time to devise it and also a manager who let's you do it for like five bucks. :smallwink:

HalfTangible

2021-09-23, 05:33 PM

This is my first time working on a program with a large group (18 or 19 people) and it is an *amazing* feeling. We got so much done in the last 3 days. Have you ever created a social media app from scratch? Cuz I can say I have. Or at least helped to.

Mystic Muse

2021-09-24, 10:36 AM

Week after next, I'll be clearing out most of my remaining volunteer hours for Indiana Master Naturalist. I haven't finished the 24 hours yet, mostly because I work an 8-5 job through the week, and there are few late night/weekend volunteer opportunities.

I'm going to be directing people where to park for the Fall Festival for a total of about 14.5 hours.

Next year, I'm hoping things will be a bit safer, and I can get an Indiana Master Gardener certificate too. That one requires 40 hours of volunteering, IIRC.

Net+ certification tomorrow instead of Sunday. Had to reschedule because family.

Trying to plan out the next few certifications I take too.

Life sure is a chaotic mess, ain't it.

Anonymouswizard

2021-09-25, 11:33 AM

Well the computer has been hefted from one end of London to the other. Now I've just got to resort for the SSD and wireless mouse and keyboard to arrive.

Then I've got to get an OS on there that won't cost me a hundred quid. So probably Ubuntu for now.

halfeye

2021-09-25, 12:11 PM

Peelee

2021-09-25, 12:12 PM

I had good experience with DOS some time back.

Anonymouswizard

2021-09-25, 12:16 PM

Is SteamOS a viable thing?

I'm not sure, I'll definitely look it up.

I had good experience with DOS some time back.

I checked, apparently support was stopped a couple of decades back?

Peelee

2021-09-25, 12:22 PM

I checked, apparently support was stopped a couple of decades back?
Bad command or file name

Abort, Retry, Fail?_

factotum

2021-09-25, 01:21 PM

Then I've got to get an OS on there that won't cost me a hundred quid. So probably Ubuntu for now.

That's going to be a bit of an issue for your stated aim of running modern games on the thing--Linux is a lot better for gaming than it used to be and you can even get a reasonable number of Windows-only games running via things like Steam Proton and Lutris, but it can still involve a lot of fiddling around to get them to run properly, assuming they will at all.

Mystic Muse

2021-09-25, 02:51 PM

Technical difficulties during exam. Have to reschedule.

Please excuse me while I scream until my voice stops working.

Anonymouswizard

2021-09-25, 03:10 PM

That's going to be a bit of an issue for your stated aim of running modern games on the thing--Linux is a lot better for gaming than it used to be and you can even get a reasonable number of Windows-only games running via things like Steam Proton and Lutris, but it can still involve a lot of fiddling around to get them to run properly, assuming they will at all.

It's a decent stop gap until I can scrounge up £120 for a copy of Windows.

Technical difficulties during exam. Have to reschedule.

Please excuse me while I scream until my voice stops working.

But what if your voice hasn't returned before the exam? How will you answer the questions?

Form

2021-09-25, 03:11 PM

Technical difficulties during exam. Have to reschedule.

Please excuse me while I scream until my voice stops working.

Goddamnit. I remember going through the same once the first or second time I took a certification exam years ago when the computer would just.... stop as I was half-way through. This stuff can be nerve-racking enough as it is, you don't need that this kind of nonsense on top of it.

Bartmanhomer

2021-09-25, 03:13 PM

Anyway, yesterday I got a counselor at my job. I told my counselor everything about me, my job, and my family.

Rater202

2021-09-25, 05:35 PM

Has anyone else ever wanted to be a giant death robot?

Lord Raziere

2021-09-25, 05:43 PM

Has anyone else ever wanted to be a giant death robot?

I've built giant death robots in Civ 6 and used them to conquer the world as a roman emperor. I wouldn't exactly say I'd want to be that exactly but their existence would be pretty cool yet terrifying. I'd mostly get rid of the giant and death parts and focus on the robot bit.

Keltest

2021-09-25, 05:50 PM

Has anyone else ever wanted to be a giant death robot?

I dont think being a giant death robot has worked out for any giant death robots in the history of ever.

Lord Raziere

2021-09-25, 05:54 PM

I dont think being a giant death robot has worked out for any giant death robots in the history of ever.

I mean it depends on whether you consider super robot mecha genre to be death robots or not. sure firing rocket punches and whatnot is kind of silly, but you can't deny those giant mecha still can probably inflict a lot of damage on whoever they're fighting and the protagonists of those giant mechs are played up as virtuous knights.

Rater202

2021-09-25, 05:56 PM

I've built giant death robots in Civ 6 and used them to conquer the world as a roman emperor. I wouldn't exactly say I'd want to be that exactly but their existence would be pretty cool yet terrifying. I'd mostly get rid of the giant and death parts and focus on the robot bit.Well, ideally if you wanted to you'd be able to switch back and force.

Back in... When was Digimon Data Squad airing? One of my paternal cousins was like five or six at the time and now he's in college, so...

Curse you, flow of time!

Anyway, Data Squad, or sAvers if you prefer the orignal Japanese, has an evil scientist who hates Digmimon and wants to destroy them all permenantly for... Some reason. Note: His plan involves creating Human-Digimon Hybrids, manufacturing his own Digimon, and then fusing with a Digimon himself so he's kind of a hypocrite.

His Hybrids just kind of... Get to turn into a pre-existing Digimon. Each of the "Bio-Hybrids" had an Armor form and a Mega form

Back at the time, I thought it would be really cool to be "BioMachineDramon."

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/digimon/images/d/d6/Machinedramon_b.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/320?cb=20090127180251

Imagine this, which for context is I think about sixty feet tall, but with a purple head for some reason.

Peelee

2021-09-25, 06:02 PM

I dont think being a giant death robot has worked out for any giant death robots in the history of ever.

https://theinfosphere.org/images/2/29/Robo_Nixon.png

Lord Raziere

2021-09-25, 06:05 PM

Tarmor

2021-09-25, 06:16 PM

I'm not sure, I'll definitely look it up.

I checked, apparently support was stopped a couple of decades back?

On a related note, I found a set of three MS-DOS 6.22 disks this morning while looking for a Character Builder (HeroMaker - Champions) that came with an RPG in 1995. Thankfully the builder is on a 3.5" disk and I still have a 3.5 drive that I can now try to plug into my system to see if this program will actually run.
I don't want to spend $25 to download the current version for what's probably a one-off use for a RPG scenario that I may never actually run.

Anonymouswizard

2021-09-25, 06:16 PM

Eh, being a truly giant death robot would just force me to constantly sir in the garage, as I'd cost too many points to field. I'll take a Dreadnaught shell instead, still a big walking tank of doom and I can actually shoot things without worrying about where the replacement bullets are coming from.

This is, of course, only for when I could no longer take to the field in matte black power armour with an inferno pistol and power sword.

Rater202

2021-09-25, 06:16 PM

oh yeah that would totally be cool. add in some ability to fly and it might be useful for something in my life, fly to other places, transform back ...though I might cause trouble if people see me flying around as a giant robot, might get the wrong impression? I don't think people are likely to see a giant flying robot coming towards their city and assume anything other than "OH NO, SOMEONE MADE A GIANT ROBOT TO KILL US ALL!". and that would just put a damper on things y'know? because then things get complicated.

It's a mega level Digimon. Depending on continuity they can all fly. How? Who gives a crap.

And uh, I mean... MachineDramon literally has the ability to spam tactical nuclear weapons* from its chest. People would be right to fear someone who can turn into one.

*Kinda. Heat, radiation, and a shockwave come out but digital Nukes don't poduce fallout.

Keltest

2021-09-25, 06:33 PM

https://theinfosphere.org/images/2/29/Robo_Nixon.png

Im going to be the best kind of correct here and say that i think that counts as a cyborg if it has biological parts.

Peelee

2021-09-25, 06:36 PM

Im going to be the best kind of correct here and say that i think that counts as a cyborg if it has biological parts.

It got him the robot vote, is all I'm sayin'.

HalfTangible

2021-09-25, 06:58 PM

Has anyone else ever wanted to be a giant death robot?

Giant robots are friggen cool. Less cool on the death aspect but I guess I don't have to fire my city busters.

enderlord99

2021-09-25, 09:46 PM

Rater202

2021-09-25, 10:39 PM

Last night, I told my father "I cracked my neck and now the entire right half of my body hurts extremely severely" and today I learned, when explaining that it turned out most of the pain was from gas, that all he heard was "I cracked my neck and now the entire right half of my body hurts extremely severely"

Sometimes people hear what they want to hear. Does your father have a history of dismissing or minimizing issues that are important to you or concerns you have for your own wellbeing?

enderlord99

2021-09-25, 10:52 PM

Sometimes people hear what they want to hear. Does your father have a history of dismissing or minimizing issues that are important to you or concerns you have for your own wellbeing?

No, but he does have a history of assuming rather than listening and then remembering his assumption as being correct.

He acknowledges that there is a problem when I bring one up, but the problem is never the one he thinks it is, because he jumps to conclusions.

The worst part is that I've picked up this habit from him, though at least I'm trying to kick it.

Rater202

2021-09-26, 08:40 PM

I'm very conflicted.

I feel like my quality of life would be better if I had some kind of tangible "power" if only because asshats would be less likely to pick fights with me if I didn't seem like an easy target, but at the same time I don't think I can be trusted not to go mad with power.

And then there are some days where I just think "the world is already fundamentally broken, what's the worst that could possibly happen if I possessed absurd power?"

Beeftank

2021-09-26, 09:07 PM

Well you aren’t going to get any superpowers anyway, so no need to get worked up about it I guess.

Peelee

2021-09-26, 09:09 PM

Well you aren’t going to get any superpowers anyway, so no need to get worked up about it I guess.

Hope springs eternal.

Bartmanhomer

2021-09-26, 09:22 PM

I'm thinking of eating mac & cheese ice cream for the very first time. :smile:

Rater202

2021-09-26, 09:27 PM

Well you aren’t going to get any superpowers anyway, so no need to get worked up about it I guess.
It doesn't have to be superpowers. It could be money. It could be a weapon. I was once told I should run for public office.

And even restricting it to superpowers: every single urban fantasy or changeling fantasy story has it so that the supernatural world is hidden from mundane people or most mere mortals and the protagonist doesn't find out about it until they discover their powers. Every comic book setting has that first guy who gets superpowers from something that should have killed him before everyone else comes out of the woodwork.

There's a maybe a 100,000,000,000 to 1 chance that superpowers are real, and a 900,000,000,000 to one chance that I'll be the first guy who gets superpowers or turn out to be a wizard or the reincarnation of a Mythical Hero or become a vampire PI or Werewolf supermodel...

The odds are that it's not real, and odds are greater still that if it was it wouldn't be me, but with my luck the moment I stop thinking about it...

Peelee

2021-09-26, 09:31 PM

It doesn't have to be superpowers. It could be money. It could be a weapon. I was once told I should run for public office.

For what its worth, none of that shields the holders from criticism, to be generous with the wording here.

HalfTangible

2021-09-26, 09:51 PM

I'm thinking of eating mac & cheese ice cream for the very first time. :smile:

I initially read this as you trying Mac n Cheese for the first time and was about to pull a Spongebob.

NEVER HAD MAC N CHEESE?! WELL YOU GOTTA HAVE SOME RIGHT NOW!!!

Rater202

2021-09-26, 10:01 PM

For what its worth, none of that shields the holders from criticism, to be generous with the wording here.

I'm not talking about criticism... Well, maybe unfounded criticisms but in my experiance people don't actually care if their critiques are valid.

Comic Book: Fills in a major missing piece in this character's backstory to explain why they went from an anti-hero to a monster

Alleged Fans: "Oh, boo hoo he had a sad backstory so that makes everything he did okay?"

Me: "That's very clearly not what it's saying."

Other readers *Dismiss me with some bullcrap about how of course I'm dismissing their totally valid criticism becuase I'm Stanning for the character.*

Ironically, some of these same people will go on to outright ignore terrible things that their favorite villains have done.

Anyway, it's not being shielded from criticisms. It's being shielded from deliberate mistreatment.

You're a manager at a business and you're having a bad day so you decide to take it out on one of your employees. You're probably not gonna pick Bob from accounting if Bob from accounting is an eccentric millionaire who is only working there becuase he likes working with numbers becuase he has the power to retaliate and can afford to escalate the issue further than you can.

Or, using superpowers as an example: Everybody says that teenagers are stupid, but seriously, how many sociopathic narcissistic asshats who get off on hurting or humiliating people weaker than them would seriously decide to harass the kid who can breathe fire and control the weather?

Peelee

2021-09-26, 10:38 PM

Yes, well, once you tossed public office in the mix I decided to be, as I said, rather generous with the wording.

Keltest

2021-09-26, 10:42 PM

I'm not talking about criticism... Well, maybe unfounded criticisms but in my experiance people don't actually care if their critiques are valid.

Comic Book: Fills in a major missing piece in this character's backstory to explain why they went from an anti-hero to a monster

Alleged Fans: "Oh, boo hoo he had a sad backstory so that makes everything he did okay?"

Me: "That's very clearly not what it's saying."

Other readers *Dismiss me with some bullcrap about how of course I'm dismissing their totally valid criticism becuase I'm Stanning for the character.*

Ironically, some of these same people will go on to outright ignore terrible things that their favorite villains have done.

Anyway, it's not being shielded from criticisms. It's being shielded from deliberate mistreatment.

You're a manager at a business and you're having a bad day so you decide to take it out on one of your employees. You're probably not gonna pick Bob from accounting if Bob from accounting is an eccentric millionaire who is only working there becuase he likes working with numbers becuase he has the power to retaliate and can afford to escalate the issue further than you can.

Or, using superpowers as an example: Everybody says that teenagers are stupid, but seriously, how many sociopathic narcissistic asshats who get off on hurting or humiliating people weaker than them would seriously decide to harass the kid who can breathe fire and control the weather?

Frankly, plenty of people would continue to try and heap abuse on you. Your narcissistic teenagers for example would just call you a freak and cry foul at the slightest hint of retaliation, and you would be held responsible because you have so much more power than they do that any and all confrontation and harm done is automatically your fault due to your absolute status over them. Physical or symbolic power is no defense against psychological attacks, the only thing you can do is just... not care what they think anymore.

We could continue to dance around this a bit more, but frankly, i think we both know which direction this conversation is headed. My advice to you continues to be the same: Youre never going to get the results you want from continuing to play their game by their rules. The best thing you can do is flip the metaphorical table and just leave the game all together. So long as you place importance in their opinions, no amount of power or wealth or whatever will lessen their ability to affect you.

Rater202

2021-09-26, 11:48 PM

Frankly, plenty of people would continue to try and heap abuse on you. Your narcissistic teenagers for example would just call you a freak and cry foul at the slightest hint of retaliation, and you would be held responsible because you have so much more power than they do that any and all confrontation and harm done is automatically your fault due to your absolute status over them. Physical or symbolic power is no defense against psychological attacks, the only thing you can do is just... not care what they think anymore.You're assuming I value their opinions.

I have no respect for these people, but even the mightiest dam will break if there's too much water for it to hold back... Or if someone deliberately dynamites it at a structural weak point. Words can hurt more than any physical injury

It would make me briefly happy if karma hit some of these people where it hurt, but you're operating on the assumption that I respect these people.

These people are beneath me. I know thi objectively, becuase if they weren't they wouldn't have felt the need to derive their amusement or esteem from hurting people they perceived as weaker than them.

But being swarmed by a million ants is still fricking terrifying and can still hurt you really bad.

That aside. It's not about inflicting harm on them. It's not about threatening them, it's not about intimidation.

It's about the knowledge that there might be consequences for their actions that they can't avoid. Dragon Boy can be the nicest guy in the world, but the simple fact that he could kill you by exhaling would give anyone with a brain in their head pause becuase everyone has their limits. That would filter out most of the crap I had to deal with in and of itself. Wouldnt even has to do anything.

These people are cowards. The thought that it could bite them would stop most of them. It's just, they're also self-absorbed or stupid, so the warnings need to be in giant flaming letters.

And then there's assuming that simply having powers is all you'd do with it. If I had "absurd" power over the weather back in high school, anyone who tried to bully me would have gotten dogpiled by everyone else becuase I would have been stopping the lake from flooding and keeping tornadoes out of town. Only an absolute idiot would kill the golden goose.

Granted, it's entirely possible that I'd have gone drunk with power but then you get a situation like that one episode of the Twilight Zone where nobody wants to piss off the one kid because he has power and was afraid to use it.

Anonymouswizard

2021-09-27, 06:20 AM

I'd honestly be beneath notice than above reprisal, it's part of the train I never seriously considered [redacted] as a career (well, that and the noticeable stitch impediment).

Sure I could, assuming the required science exists and just isn't known, build a mind control satellite and take over the world. Although I'd have a bit of tribute with the dramatic revelation because I still haven't picked out my supervillain name (and to be honest I'd probably need that before I used nefarious means to find the satellite). But honestly seems like it would run too much of a risk of Batman showing up.

Keltest

2021-09-27, 07:06 AM

You're assuming I value their opinions.

I mean, youre here however many years after the fact wishing you could completely redefine your life (and radically so) based entirely on what they did. You may not hold them in great personal esteem but its very, very clear that their opinions and thoughts mean a great deal to you.

Rater202

2021-09-27, 08:31 AM

I mean, youre here however many years after the fact wishing you could completely redefine your life (and radically so) based entirely on what they did. You may not hold them in great personal esteem but its very, very clear that their opinions and thoughts mean a great deal to you.

No. I am making the statement that my life would have been better if I had tangible amounts of power, and would be better in the future.

A lot of people have singled me out for mistreatment for no reason and, objectively, a lot fewer of them would have done so if there was so tangible consequence to their actions that they could not avoid.

This is something that has happened to me a lot, so it's only natural that it's one of the first things I think of when mentioning ways my life could have gone differently.

That's not the same as being obsessed.

And, as I've stated previously, I would not go back and redefine my life becuase if I changed my past it would, from my perspective, be exactly the same as committing suicide so that someone else could takes my place.

Now, I sometimes fantasize about running into some of the douchebags who were bad enough that I still remember their names and then when they try to pull their old tricks again I've somehow gotten into a position where the attempt just ends up resulting in their own humiliation instead of mine, but it's only natural to desire closure from truamatic events.

Anonymouswizard

2021-09-27, 09:02 AM

Rater202

2021-09-27, 09:28 AM

I mean, considering how much it comes up on here...

There are some things in the past that I wish I could go back and change. Get that treatment I could have had five to ten years ago that would have stopped the degeneration of my eyes, for instance. But I don't dwell on it, and try to avoid having it come up on here.

Mainly because I'd start grumbling about how it'll probably stop me from being a potential Mars colonist (along with all the other things that'll also stop me).

I find that spite works as a motivator.

Completely honest, if I hadn't been motivated by spiting the people who told me I'd never amount to anything I probably wouldn't have made it through high school.

Is that healthy? Probably not, but using the pain as a motivating force is better than stewing in it and letting it eat away at you.

Honestly, my problem here is mostly that I don't really have a clear goal to work for. I had a plan, and then it didn't turn out so well. Then my backup plan turned out to be founded on misinformation and some things came out that make it... Less than ideal for me to continue along with my plans. And then a pandemic happened and every time it seems to be almost over we backslide.

Keltest

2021-09-27, 09:40 AM

No. I am making the statement that my life would have been better if I had tangible amounts of power, and would be better in the future.

A lot of people have singled me out for mistreatment for no reason and, objectively, a lot fewer of them would have done so if there was so tangible consequence to their actions that they could not avoid.

This is something that has happened to me a lot, so it's only natural that it's one of the first things I think of when mentioning ways my life could have gone differently.

That's not the same as being obsessed.

And, as I've stated previously, I would not go back and redefine my life becuase if I changed my past it would, from my perspective, be exactly the same as committing suicide so that someone else could takes my place.

Now, I sometimes fantasize about running into some of the douchebags who were bad enough that I still remember their names and then when they try to pull their old tricks again I've somehow gotten into a position where the attempt just ends up resulting in their own humiliation instead of mine, but it's only natural to desire closure from truamatic events.

I mean you say that, but physical power is not a particularly good defense against psychological assault. And you also occasionally admit that you fantasize about, effectively, hurting and bullying them. Now im not a therapist and my advice should not be mistaken for genuine, professional council, but i do think you may want to take a genuine two steps back here and ask yourself what you actually want out of this. Because this doesnt read like a situation that ends with resolution and healing to me.

Form

2021-09-27, 09:55 AM

A lot of people have singled me out for mistreatment for no reason and, objectively, a lot fewer of them would have done so if there was so tangible consequence to their actions that they could not avoid.

This is something that has happened to me a lot, so it's only natural that it's one of the first things I think of when mentioning ways my life could have gone differently.

That's not the same as being obsessed.

Well, no, it's just that you seem to focus on it a lot. Does that really help you or make you happier?

Peelee

2021-09-27, 09:56 AM

It's about the knowledge that there might be consequences for their actions that they can't avoid.

This may be overly cynical of me, but sadly I think it estimates reality pretty well: I think you're being incredibly optimistic there.

All that said, second week of training started! We're in it earnestly now. Started off with PT, and it was brutal. Also found out the agency issues secure phones, which is kind of neat and also kind of annoying at the same time. Overall, defo a good idea, though. Gonna be a fun 27 more weeks, but being in the field after that will be awesome. At least, I hope.

Rater202

2021-09-27, 09:59 AM

And you also occasionally admit that you fantasize about, effectively, hurting and bullying them.

...When?

I said I fantasize about showing up to my high school reunion with a perfect immortal body(or as a dragon) while everyone who caused me problems is over the hill so that the knowledge that the guy they spent so long tormenting is going to outlive them will stick with them or somehow becoming so obviously and overwhelmingly superior that even the most delusional narcissist has to know that trying to humiliate me

At no point does violence enter the equation, beyond the potential threat of it in the back of someone's head preventing them from picking a fight that they can't afford to be in.

Beyond that, physical might may not protect against psychological harm, physical might certainly help when the asshats are trying to inflict physical harm.

When you've been randomly punched by some ******* four times that you can clearly remember, armored scales, triple-density flesh, and bones that are harder than diamond and stronger than steel sound pretty good. If someone decides that something I said is grounds for them to inflict violence on me, let them break their own god-damned hands on my body. If someone wants to push me down the stairs, let me tumble all the way down to the bottom, get up just fine, and turn around and stare the bastard who tried to kill me in the eye.

Keltest

2021-09-27, 10:08 AM

...When?

Uh, just now? You said you want to see them humiliated instead of you. And its also kind of implicit in the repeated "I wish i was a giant powerful destructive monster" fantasies. Even if you arent literally wishing to chew them up and spit them out as a dragon, theres... a lot of really unpleasant subtext in some of the things you post sometimes.

Like, fair enough on not wanting to be physically abused, but generally i would think a better response to that would be "i want to see them in jail" not "I want to see them at my high school reunion."

halfeye

2021-09-27, 10:27 AM

These people are cowards. The thought that it could bite them would stop most of them. It's just, they're also self-absorbed or stupid, so the warnings need to be in giant flaming letters.

Who told you that?

It's the propaganda we are told, but it's not always true.

There are some people who enjoy other people's pain, fear and unhappyness. The aren't necessarily cowards, they also aren't that common, but they are out there. Hopefully most of them are in psychiatric hospitals, but some aren't.

Also, army ants can kill you if you can't run away.

Rater202

2021-09-27, 10:29 AM

Uh, just now? You said you want to see them humiliated instead of you."I would like it if people who get off on humiliating others ended up humiliating themselves instead" is not "I want to be a bully."

And its also kind of implicit in the repeated "I wish i was a giant powerful destructive monster" fantasies. Even if you arent literally wishing to chew them up and spit them out like a dragon, there's... a lot of really unpleasant subtext in some of the things you post sometimes.I think that says more about you than it does me.

You're inferring violent intent.

If I aid I wanted to have a cool sword or a cool gun, that wouldn't mean I wanted to stab or shoot someone. Some people just have those as collectors items. Being a powerful non-human create falls under the same logic, with the added bonus of serving as a potential deterrent against mistreatment.
Like, fair enough on not wanting to be physically abused, but generally i would think a better response to that would be "i want to see them in jail" not "I want to see them at my high school reunion."We both know that these people never suffer consequences for their actions. People don't go to jail for harassing people. The best you can get is a restraining order and those are far from effective. Oftentimes, people don't go to jail for inflicting violence on others, if it's just the one punch.

Realistically, the people who hurt me got away with it and will continue to get away with it. They probably got away with it with other people, too. There's nothing wrong for sometimes hoping that we'll run into each other and I'll be better off since that's pretty much the only justice I have any hope of getting.

Not like I'm even planning to go to my high school reunions for real. Not much point to it. Tha'ts jut the only situation I cold see actually running into these people.
Who told you that?

It's the propaganda we are told, but it's not always true.

There are some people who enjoy other people's pain, fear and unhappyness. The aren't necessarily cowards, they also aren't that common, but they are out there. Hopefully most of them are in psychiatric hospitals, but some aren't.

Also, army ants can kill you if you can't run away.
If they werren't cowards they wouldn't have been punching down.

Keltest

2021-09-27, 10:43 AM

"I would like it if people who get off on humiliating others ended up humiliating themselves instead" is not "I want to be a bully."

I think that says more about you than it does me.

You're inferring violent intent.

If I aid I wanted to have a cool sword or a cool gun, that wouldn't mean I wanted to stab or shoot someone. Some people just have those as collectors items. Being a powerful non-human create falls under the same logic, with the added bonus of serving as a potential deterrent against mistreatment.We both know that these people never suffer consequences for their actions. People don't go to jail for harassing people. The best you can get is a restraining order and those are far from effective. Oftentimes, people don't go to jail for inflicting violence on others, if it's just the one punch.

Realistically, the people who hurt me got away with it and will continue to get away with it. They probably got away with it with other people, too. There's nothing wrong for sometimes hoping that we'll run into each other and I'll be better off since that's pretty much the only justice I have any hope of getting.

Not like I'm even planning to go to my high school reunions for real. Not much point to it. Tha'ts jut the only situation I cold see actually running into these people.

Yeah, i absolutely am inferring violent intent, because a lot of your hypotheticals end on a note of "and then theyre either humiliated or they keep trying and i carry through on my implicit threat of violence.

Look, im just a random guy on the internet making this read based on posts you make completely unprompted. I am not qualified to unpack everything here and i am fully aware that i do not know everything about your life or mental state. But from what i have seen, the things you are asking for will lead to an arms race, not healing, and i am not sure whether you understand that, or if its just what you genuinely want. You seem like a basically decent person for the most part, and i have a general aversion to letting people just hurt needlessly, so i just want to make sure you understand how the things youre saying come across.

Anonymouswizard

2021-09-27, 10:59 AM

The 'noble bully' or 'bully hunter' is just an attempt to rationalise bad behaviour as not being bad. For what it's worth, I'll note that it also sounds like bullying to me, the victim doesn't matter one bit.

I understand the desire for vengeance, pursued either passively or actively, but I don't think dwelling on it is healthy.

Rater202

2021-09-27, 11:08 AM

You're seeing subtext I never intended. I don't do implicit threats of violence, I state facts and let people come to their own conclusions.

I have no intent to inflict violence on anyone. Nor would I even threaten it. But the people who hurt me are the kind of people who like to punch down. And the only way to protect yourself from those people are to be obviously so far "up" that if they tried punching up they wouldn't be able to reach you.

And since success in life is incredibly subjective—some of these people could be homeless toothless addicts riddled with diseases crome dirty needles and they'd still be able to do the mental gymnastics needed to think they're better off than someone who merely has education and a roof over their heads—well, I already said it, they need it spelled out in giant flaming letters. It doesn't matter where I am in life, if there's anything subtle or subjective about it then these people would just see a target.

But considering that some of these people were exactly the same in senior year as they were in the fifth grade, I doubt it.

This is a recurring problem I have. When I try my best to state explicitly what I mean, people pick it apart for a "deeper meaning." When I use metaphor and subtext, I either get taken at face value or get yelled at for changing the topics and accused of "whataboutism."

Often times it's the same people.

It's incredibly frustrating.

Seriously. How o you people speak in a way that gets people to understand what you mean? How to language?
The 'noble bully' or 'bully hunter' is just an attempt to rationalise bad behaviour as not being bad. For what it's worth, I'll note that it also sounds like bullying to me, the victim doesn't matter one bit.

I understand the desire for vengeance, pursued either passively or actively, but I don't think dwelling on it is healthy.
Case in point: Nothing I've saud falls under the "Bully Hunter" trope.

I simply want to be in a position where these people don't consider me a valid target or, if they do, end up suffering proportionate negative consequences stemming directly from their own actions with no input on my part.

Keltest

2021-09-27, 11:16 AM

You're seeing subtext I never intended. I don't do implicit threats of violence, I state facts and let people come to their own conclusions.

I have no intent to inflict violence on anyone. Nor would I even threaten it. But the people who hurt me are the kind of people who like to punch down. And the only way to protect yourself from those people are to be obviously so far "up" that if they tried punching up they wouldn't be able to reach you.

And since success in life is incredibly subjective—some of these people could be homeless toothless addicts riddled with diseases crome dirty needles and they'd still be able to do the mental gymnastics needed to think they're better off than someone who merely has education and a roof over their heads—well, I already said it, they need it spelled out in giant flaming letters. It doesn't matter where I am in life, if there's anything subtle or subjective about it then these people would just see a target.

But considering that some of these people were exactly the same in senior year as they were in the fifth grade, I doubt it.

This is a recurring problem I have. When I try my best to state explicitly what I mean, people pick it apart for a "deeper meaning." When I use metaphor and subtext, I either get taken at face value or get yelled at for changing the topics and accused of "whataboutism."

Often times it's the same people.

It's incredibly frustrating.

Seriously. How o you people speak in a way that gets people to understand what you mean? How to language?

I dont think youre doing it intentionally, entirely, but you really dont seem to have given consideration to the fact that if they were to physically attack Superman/a dragon/Captain America/A giant death robot/Ego the living planet/whatever, the thing that gets people to reconsider is the threat of violent reprisal, not their inherent dignity and nobility. Stating a fact and letting people draw their own conclusions about the safety of that action IS an implicit threat of violence. Thats what implicit means, that theyre drawing their own conclusions from the context you set up.

Rater202

2021-09-27, 11:35 AM

I dont think youre doing it intentionally, entirely, but you really dont seem to have given consideration to the fact that if they were to physically attack Superman/a dragon/Captain America/A giant death robot/Ego the living planet/whatever, the thing that gets people to reconsider is the threat of violent reprisal, not their inherent dignity and nobility. Stating a fact and letting people draw their own conclusions about the safety of that action IS an implicit threat of violence. Thats what implicit means, that theyre drawing their own conclusions from the context you set up.So, from my perspective, I'm saying "you know, it would be really cool if I could live in a house that was physically impossible to break into" and you're all acting like I was saying I wanted to be Bronson's character in Death Wish.

Who, incidentally enough, meets all of the qualifications to be a Slasher Movie villain. Improbable skill at violence, origin story involves an injustice resulting in an anger that he takes out on uninvolved parties with only a superficial resemblance at best to the actual perpetrators, kills people who can't fight back, relishes in the violence even when he claims otherwise, targets people even when they can't fight back for the sole sake of killing them, takes more punishment than anything ever realistically could and comes back in the next movie perfectly fine when he should be dead or at least permanently crippled, and his signature weapon can be interpreted as a phallic symbol.

World of Darkness: Slasher even uses Bronson's character as an example of one of their Slasher Archetypes.

Which, to change the subject, goes to show that a lot of what a character is is about perception.

Keltest

2021-09-27, 11:55 AM

So, from my perspective, I'm saying "you know, it would be really cool if I could live in a house that was physically impossible to break into" and you're all acting like I was saying I wanted to be Bronson's character in Death Wish.

Ok, and from my perspective, youre saying "you know, it would be really cool if i could live in a house that was physically impossible to break into due to all the death traps i have set up."

Its not just the end goal, but the methods being used to get there, that are giving off uncomfortable vibes.

Rater202

2021-09-27, 12:13 PM

Ok, and from my perspective, youre saying "you know, it would be really cool if i could live in a house that was physically impossible to break into due to all the death traps i have set up."

Okay, think of the being a dragon the house.

The armored scales and the being really fricking big and the fact that a dragon would have to be absurdly strong to be able to fly are like the house having reinforced steel doors, windows made of shatter-resistant glass, sounded by a tall wall or fence made of something ficiult to scale and harder still to break through, with a yard full of tall trees and rose bushes. The windows physically can't be opened from the outside, even if they're unlocked ont eh inside, and the doors all have not only a key lock but multiple deadbolts.

These are the things that physically prevent someone from breaking in.

The magical powers and fire breath and the ike? Those are like having a security camera posted in plain view everywhere around the property so that there is not a single part of it that is not in view of at least one camera, having a sign declaring that the property is monitored by a security company in plain view from the street, and living across the street from a police station. They don't, in and of themselves, prevent trespassing, but the simple fact that they're there is a deterrent in that it makes people less likely to think that they'll get away with it.

If at any point yo actually need to use anty of that, something has already gone horribly, horribly wrong.

Keltest

2021-09-27, 12:35 PM

Rater202

2021-09-27, 12:56 PM

I think you may wish to reassess your comparison of a dragon's natural weaponry to security cameras. They really arent comparable. Yes, the hope is that you dont have to use them, but their presence indicates a willingness to do so if it comes to it.

Random semi-related fact. In Baseball, if the batter charges the pitcher's mound without discarding their bat, theres a pretty substantial chance that they may be criminally charged for doing so because, even if they dont intend to use it at all and just forgot they were carrying it, the fact is they approached another person they had a conflict with while carrying a dangerous weapon, which is considered to be communication of a violent threat.Your baseball comparison is flawed in that 1: It assumes that I am the aggressor in the situation. 2: The the batter is already committing a crime by assaulting the pitcher whether he's armed or not and 3: There's a difference between an external weapon and something that's part of someone's body.

If I got stung by a radioactive bee and that turned my arm into a bio-mechanical apparatus that shot a bee-stinger like a projectile with the force of a bullet... that's part of my body. That is not a gun, that is me. Gun law does not apply. As far as the law is concerned, it's just an arm. People could not legally bar me from entering an establishment claiming I have a gun. The existence of that apparatus in and of itself is not probable cause to believe that I have malevolent intention.

Keltest

2021-09-27, 01:09 PM

Your baseball comparison is flawed in that 1: It assumes that I am the aggressor in the situation. 2: The the batter is already committing a crime by assaulting the pitcher whether he's armed or not and 3: There's a difference between an external weapon and something that's part of someone's body.

If I got stung by a radioactive bee and that turned my arm into a bio-mechanical apparatus that shot a bee-stinger like a projectile with the force of a bullet... that's part of my body. That is not a gun, that is me. Gun law does not apply. As far as the law is concerned, it's just an arm. People could not legally bar me from entering an establishment claiming I have a gun. The existence of that apparatus in and of itself is not probable cause to believe that I have malevolent intention.

I use the baseball comparison because i feel pretty confidant that i can safely talk about baseball within the bounds of the forum rules. There are better analogies i could make that i am substantially less confidant about, so i wont do so, because i like Peelee and dont want to make him do extra work if i can help it.

Also, it isnt assaulting the pitcher that is the crime, it is just approaching the mound with the bat. Im like 80% sure (though its been a bit since ive actually checked) that doing so is an automatic disqualification and removal from the game, with other penalties and/or charges based on context. If you just go up to him and start yelling at him because he nailed you in the face with a pitch and you have a black eye and a concussion now, if you held onto that bat, youre still done playing. The reason this is the case is because the bat is an implicit threat even if you have no intent to use it or even any real awareness that its still in your hand. As soon as a weapon gets involved, your intent stops mattering.

Its similar wisdom to always treating a gun as if its loaded. There is danger present with the potential to escalate out of control quickly and severely if anything goes wrong. If you dont treat that danger with a healthy respect, youre asking for trouble.

Beeftank

2021-09-27, 01:19 PM

Speaking of baseball that Shohei Ohtani sure is something. A pitcher with 45 home runs? Unprecedented.

Rater202

2021-09-27, 01:23 PM

I use the baseball comparison because i feel pretty confidant that i can safely talk about baseball within the bounds of the forum rules. There are better analogies i could make that i am substantially less confidant about, so i wont do so, because i like Peelee and dont want to make him do extra work if i can help it.

Also, it isnt assaulting the pitcher that is the crime, it is just approaching the mound with the bat. Im like 80% sure (though its been a bit since ive actually checked) that doing so is an automatic disqualification and removal from the game, with other penalties and/or charges based on context. If you just go up to him and start yelling at him because he nailed you in the face with a pitch and you have a black eye and a concussion now, if you held onto that bat, youre still done playing. The reason this is the case is because the bat is an implicit threat even if you have no intent to use it or even any real awareness that its still in your hand. As soon as a weapon gets involved, your intent stops mattering.

Okay, if that's a crime that's just dumb. It's one thing is the batter attacks the pitcher but if he goes up and starts yelling... Yeah, kick him out of the game but if he didn't actually lay hands or inflict injury on anyone he shouldn't be treated like he did in the eyes of the law.

I was operating on the assumption that the batter was attacking the pitcher, if it's just running up and yelling at him that's the issue then... That's poor sportsmanship. That's worth being thrown from the game, but it's not a crime and shouldn't be treated like one, that...

That's not even remotely comparable to anything we've been talking about. that's...

I'm actually angry now. If you're telling the truth bout the presence of a potential weapon that isn't used as such being the difference between poor sportsmanship and being charged with a crime that...

Keltest

2021-09-27, 01:27 PM

Okay, if that's a crime that's just dumb. It's one thing is the batter attacks the pitcher but if he goes up and starts yelling... Yeah, kick him out of the game but if he didn't actually lay hands or inflict injury on anyone he shouldn't be treated like he did in the eyes of the law.

I was operating on the assumption that the batter was attacking the pitcher, if it's just running up and yelling at him that's the issue then... That's poor sportsmanship. That's worth being thrown from the game, but it's not a crime and shouldn't be treated like one, that...

That's not even remotely comparable to anything we've been talking about. that's...

I'm actually angry now. If you're telling the truth bout the presence of a potential weapon that isn't used as such being the difference between poor sportsmanship and being charged with a crime that...

The threat to use dangerous force is also a crime, they dont have to actually wait for you to smack somebody before they can move to stop you. Like, he has a club. He could easily maim or kill the pitcher before anybody can stop him if he decides to. Thats why they take it so seriously.

Rater202

2021-09-27, 01:32 PM

The threat to use dangerous force is also a crime, they dont have to actually wait for you to smack somebody before they can move to stop you. Like, he has a club. He could easily maim or kill the pitcher before anybody can stop him if he decides to. Thats why they take it so seriously.

It's not a threat until he makes a threat. Implicit threats are... You can't prove or disprove intent to threaten without an explicit statement. That's...

enderlord99

2021-09-27, 01:42 PM

I just got in a nasty argument with my father, who thinks of himself as blameless because he's not (and I quote) "the one doing the arguing"

:smallconfused:

Rater202

2021-09-27, 02:02 PM

I just got in a nasty argument with my father, who thinks of himself as blameless because he's not (and I quote) "the one doing the arguing"

:smallconfused:

Your father sounds toxic and I'm sorry you have to put up with that.

*hugs*

enderlord99

2021-09-27, 02:42 PM

Your father sounds toxic and I'm sorry you have to put up with that.

*hugs*

He's not always like that, but yeah.

Thanks.

Anonymouswizard

2021-09-27, 02:47 PM

I just got in a nasty argument with my father, who thinks of himself as blameless because he's not (and I quote) "the one doing the arguing"

:smallconfused:

There's a very limited circumstances where I could believe that statement at gave value. I expect that this is not one of those situations.

Let him calm down. People aren't at their most rational after an argument. Perhaps he'll admit that he holds at least some of the responsibility later.

HalfTangible

2021-09-27, 02:53 PM

It's not a threat until he makes a threat. Implicit threats are... You can't prove or disprove intent to threaten without an explicit statement. That's...

Walking towards someone while yelling and carrying a bat is a threat, explicit or otherwise. If you don't plan to use it, toss it aside before you get anywhere near them. You do NOT take chances in such circumstances, because if they DO plan to hurt the other person, you don't have time to be certain.

Rater202

2021-09-27, 02:59 PM

Walking towards someone while yelling and carrying a bat is a threat, explicit or otherwise. If you don't plan to use it, toss it aside before you get anywhere near them. You do NOT take chances in such circumstances, because if they DO plan to hurt the other person, you don't have time to be certain.

There's a difference between acting in the moment(breaking up the confrontation) and acting after the fact(pressing criminal charges.)

Jasdoif

2021-09-27, 03:09 PM

Well, this weekend my little sister embarked on our quasi-annual quasi-tradition1 of "playing co-op through a traditionally single-player FPS". This year she decided we should go through System Shock 2 again (between sessions of our ongoing Stardew Valley game...talk about thematic contrast o_o ). Going pretty well so far, we got to the engineering deck with very few deaths, though of course that's the deck where most deaths occur...She has also gained a new appreciation for what had constituted "hi-tech" back when her age was in single digits (LAN IP addresses and DirectPlay are nowhere near as convenient as being invited to join a game over Steam, surprising no one).

1 As in, we've done this three times in the last three years with no actual intent to do it with any regularity, so calling it "tradition" is an executive decision on my part.

Keltest

2021-09-27, 07:35 PM

There's a difference between acting in the moment(breaking up the confrontation) and acting after the fact(pressing criminal charges.)

Its a sufficiently recognized threat that its in the rules of baseball. I dont know how much more "this is how it will be interpreted if you do this specific thing" you really need. Intentionally flashing another weapon at a person during a conversation to highlight that you have it is also considered a threat in a similar manner.

In the eyes of a lot of society, nobody ever "just has" a weapon.

Rater202

2021-09-27, 10:32 PM

For the record this:
Well, ideally if you wanted to you'd be able to switch back and force.

Back in... When was Digimon Data Squad airing? One of my paternal cousins was like five or six at the time and now he's in college, so...

Curse you, flow of time!

Anyway, Data Squad, or sAvers if you prefer the orignal Japanese, has an evil scientist who hates Digmimon and wants to destroy them all permenantly for... Some reason. Note: His plan involves creating Human-Digimon Hybrids, manufacturing his own Digimon, and then fusing with a Digimon himself so he's kind of a hypocrite.

His Hybrids just kind of... Get to turn into a pre-existing Digimon. Each of the "Bio-Hybrids" had an Armor form and a Mega form

Back at the time, I thought it would be really cool to be "BioMachineDramon."

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/digimon/images/d/d6/Machinedramon_b.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/320?cb=20090127180251

Imagine this, which for context is I think about sixty feet tall, but with a purple head for some reason.

Has nothing to do with the standard "I want to be a dragon/immortal" thing and its resulting baggage. Even though it counts for both.

I just... I was a kid and I thought it would be cool to be a giant robot dragon that was the ultimate end result of in-universe research into cyborgs and androids and was explicitly a hybrid of several pre-existing cyborgs.

Also, one of the possible previous forms is an undead dragon.

Bartmanhomer

2021-09-28, 01:53 AM

I've been writing so many stories lately. I wrote 62 chapters of my Degrassi Fan-Fiction Story and 16 chapters of my Arcana story. I've been really busy. :smile:

Anonymouswizard

2021-09-28, 09:10 AM

Form

2021-09-28, 09:24 AM

The last of the pain in my jaw from having my wisdom teeth pulled is about gone, so I can actually use my entire mouth again for chewing! Glad that's over with. Now I never have to worry about my wisdom teeth again. Shame about the -2 wisdom penalty, but I wasn't using that stat much anyway.

HalfTangible

2021-09-28, 09:33 AM

enderlord99

2021-09-28, 10:14 AM

Medicine and bureaucracy don't mix, but that won't stop people from forcing them to emulsify.

Asmotherion

2021-09-28, 11:08 AM

My job requires me to get a drug test. They gave me a deadline that was about an hour from when they sent me the request... and sent that deadline to me about 10 minutes before the office I needed to go to closed. :smallsigh:

Given the short notice, I suppose you can tell them it was beyond irresponsible. It's really whoever sent the notice's fault, not yours.

Rater202

2021-09-28, 11:42 AM

Given the short notice, I suppose you can tell them it was beyond irresponsible. It's really whoever sent the notice's fault, not yours.

Basically this. Do everything in your power to get proof that you physically could not comply with the request. Cover your ass.

Anonymouswizard

2021-09-28, 12:07 PM

Given the short notice, I suppose you can tell them it was beyond irresponsible. It's really whoever sent the notice's fault, not yours.

Yeah, while it's but as clear cut as stone examples I've seen (notice it explicit notice given weeks after the deadline) it's just not acceptable.

My suggestion would be, if possible, get the drug test, get the proof you've done it as soon as you can, and get all the evidence related to the deadline you. Also check if anybody else has had this happen, the bigger the trend the brighter t store glows.

Rater202

2021-09-28, 01:38 PM

Tests of hair alleged to have come from the yeti almost inevitably prove that it's bear hair.

However, sometimes the tests suggest that it's from undiscovered species of bear. the hairs don't quite match with other recorded species.

Personally, I think the posisble existence of a kind of bear we haven't discovered and recorded yet is more exciting than evidence of a monstrous ape-man.

Fyraltari

2021-09-28, 01:59 PM

Tests of hair alleged to have come from the yeti almost inevitably prove that it's bear hair.
That's not true!

It's often goat hair.

Anonymouswizard

2021-09-28, 02:17 PM

We are aiming, of course, that the government grant secretly switched out the hair while we're busy looking at something else.

Rater202

2021-09-28, 02:41 PM

That's not true!

It's often goat hair.

...Okay then. My sources said it was mostly bear... Gonna have to double-check.

I think my point about potential undiscovered species of bear being more interesting than an ape-man stands though.New topic: Spooky undead children.

I like the idea as a trope. Can anyone think of interesting examples of them? Fictional or from your own imagination. Disclaimer: Things shared may be used as inspiration for some homebrew I'm working on.

Fyraltari

2021-09-28, 02:51 PM

I like the idea as a trope. Can anyone think of interesting examples of them? Fictional or from your own imagination. Disclaimer: Things shared may be used as inspiration for some homebrew I'm working on.

Are you my Mummy? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EpreukySEQ)

LaZodiac

2021-09-28, 02:54 PM

...Okay then. My sources said it was mostly bear... Gonna have to double-check.

I think my point about potential undiscovered species of bear being more interesting than an ape-man stands though.New topic: Spooky undead children.

I like the idea as a trope. Can anyone think of interesting examples of them? Fictional or from your own imagination. Disclaimer: Things shared may be used as inspiration for some homebrew I'm working on.

I mean the classic is the twins from the Shining.

Fyraltari

2021-09-28, 03:26 PM

I mean the classic is the twins from the Shining.

Nitpick: the ghost sisters are too far apart in age to be twins (can't remember if it's a two or three years difference).

Rater202

2021-09-28, 04:01 PM

I hate when the seasons change. All of my aches and pains start acting up at the same time. Three limbs of arthritis and a stiff leg and god fricking damn I'm not even 30 yet.

Let's be clear: For all my talk over not wanting to be a victim and my experiences as a kid in school and my desire to literally lice forever, my main reason for waning to be something else is so that I wouldn't have to deal with this kind of thing.

The fact that anyone has to deal with their bodies breaking down over time is kind of bull****.

Admittedly, a lot of my dried solutions are a bit excessive, going well above and beyond what would be needed to solve the problem, but I'm of the opinion that for something that important it's best to be as absurdly thorough as possible with a couple of equally through redundancies just in case.

Or making a complete job of it.

Anonymouswizard

2021-09-28, 04:33 PM

Are you my Mummy? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EpreukySEQ)

Aren't they more zombies?

Nitpick: the ghost sisters are too far apart in age to be twins (can't remember if it's a two or three years difference).

You're assuming that they died at three same time...

@Rater: ouch. From what I remember your roughly the same age as me, so as somebody with a broadly functional body (barring my broken eyes and nonstandard brain) you have my sympathies. If take a lack of aging in my current position (assuming I could expect living to 70), I'd take it even more of I was in s position like yours.

Rater202

2021-09-28, 04:45 PM

Aren't they more zombies?

You're assuming that they died at three same time...

@Rater: ouch. From what I remember your roughly the same age as me, so as somebody with a broadly functional body (barring my broken eyes and nonstandard brain) you have my sympathies. If take a lack of aging in my current position (assuming I could expect living to 70), I'd take it even more of I was in s position like yours.

I'm still mostly functional even when everything is acting up, there are most definitely people who have it worse than me, hell this isn't even the worst pain I've ever experienced, but that doesn't make it pleasant.

HalfTangible

2021-09-28, 05:28 PM

Aren't they more zombies?

Kinda. IIRC an alien medical program crashed on earth. It didn't have any reference for our species' biology, so it decided the first human it found (a child in a gas mask, horrified of falling bombs [WW2 London] and looking for its mother) was what a healthy human was. It had malfunctioned and spread like a virus because it kept running into "normal" humans, thinking they were sick (because no gas mask, no desperate need to find its mother, etc).

Rater202

2021-09-28, 05:42 PM

Kinda. IIRC an alien medical program crashed on earth. It didn't have any reference for our species' biology, so it decided the first human it found (a child in a gas mask, horrified of falling bombs [WW2 London] and looking for its mother) was what a healthy human was. It had malfunctioned and spread like a virus because it kept running into "normal" humans, thinking they were sick (because no gas mask, no desperate need to find its mother, etc).
IRC, the kid was dead or dying when the nanomachines found him so technically undead but in my book the technological component makes them closer to cyborgs... Especially the ones that were

The main kid's an edge case.

If you wanna call them zombies, they're closer to being "infected" than "undead."

Anonymouswizard

2021-09-28, 06:08 PM

Kinda. IIRC an alien medical program crashed on earth. It didn't have any reference for our species' biology, so it decided the first human it found (a child in a gas mask, horrified of falling bombs [WW2 London] and looking for its mother) was what a healthy human was. It had malfunctioned and spread like a virus because it kept running into "normal" humans, thinking they were sick (because no gas mask, no desperate need to find its mother, etc).

Yes, I've seen the episode and remember the twist (and the other one that solves it). Whether or not they're actually zombies is besides the point, but going for broad category 'zombie' fits better than 'ghost' does.

And now I'm wondering when they're going to bring the vampires back, it's been a while. Especially since the latest season had suggested that the Doctor might be a Great Vampire.

halfeye

2021-09-28, 06:24 PM

Spooky undead children.

Fear the game.

DataNinja

2021-09-28, 07:18 PM

Will there goes my calm day off relaxation. I find out that, due to a lack of free days, my referral was cancelled between the initial call about an appointment and me being able to call back. So now I've got to wait another two days for a GP skinny and then another two months for another potential eye appointment.

Because being able to see certainly isn't important and degenerative conditions just get better on their own.

This wouldn't have happened if, like with every other major appointment I've had, they just told me when it was. But no, when it's actually urgent they expect you to book and kick you off the list if you can't.

Oh, yech. That sucks, man. :/

The last of the pain in my jaw from having my wisdom teeth pulled is about gone, so I can actually use my entire mouth again for chewing! Glad that's over with. Now I never have to worry about my wisdom teeth again. Shame about the -2 wisdom penalty, but I wasn't using that stat much anyway.

Glad it's over. I remember the relief of finally being able to eat properly again.

My job requires me to get a drug test. They gave me a deadline that was about an hour from when they sent me the request... and sent that deadline to me about 10 minutes before the office I needed to go to closed. :smallsigh:

Eesh. Everyone getting screwed it seems like. :/

Mystic Muse

2021-09-28, 08:49 PM

New topic: Spooky undead children.

I like the idea as a trope. Can anyone think of interesting examples of them? Fictional or from your own imagination. Disclaimer: Things shared may be used as inspiration for some homebrew I'm working on.

Gauge from Pet Semetary.

Horrifying little thing.

Anonymouswizard

2021-09-28, 09:03 PM

Side note: for the past four(?) days I've been feeling with a sore throat, and it's just driving me insane. Paracetamol kind of numbs the ancient soreness, but I can't use it during the day I'd I want to sleep at night, and swallowing is just painful (as is hiccuping). I might be getting better, I feel more and to speak than I did yesterday, but I'm still up at the in INR morning due to throat pains.

Just wanted to moan.

Rater202

2021-09-28, 09:57 PM

So my grandma had an angiogram today.

She's been having trouble breathing lately and some tests found a blockage in her heart that might have been affecting her lungs, so they sent a camera in there to check it out and, if it was bad enough, take care of it.

They get the camera in her and that's how they learned that the tests gave a false positive. Not only is there no blockage but her heart is in perfect condition despite her being an obese elderly alcoholic chain smoker.

On the one hand... Yay? On the other, turns out the surgery wasn't necessary.

Fyraltari

2021-09-29, 12:49 AM

Aren't they more zombies?
Aren't zombies undead?

You're assuming that they died at three same time...
Am not. It's said in the movie. During Jack's interview for the job at the beginning, they tell him that in the winter of 1970, a previous caretakers killed his wife and their two daughters, age eight and ten, with an axe.

LaZodiac

2021-09-29, 02:02 AM

Nitpick: the ghost sisters are too far apart in age to be twins (can't remember if it's a two or three years difference).

... wait, really?

Aren't zombies undead?

Am not. It's said in the movie. During Jack's interview for the job at the beginning, they tell him that in the winter of 1970, a previous caretakers killed his wife and their two daughters, age eight and ten, with an axe.

Zombies are undead but I'm pretty sure the Shining doesn't have zombies in it, just ghosts.

Also someone really shoulda told the casting director that before casting twins. And calling them twins. And having them be creepy twins. Because I don't know how to tell you this, person who directed this movie, but... you can't be twins if there's an age gap. That's not how any of this works.

Fyraltari

2021-09-29, 05:08 AM

Zombies are undead but I'm pretty sure the Shining doesn't have zombies in it, just ghosts.
The zombi discussion was about Doctor Who, not The Shining.

Also someone really shoulda told the casting director that before casting twins. And calling them twins. And having them be creepy twins. Because I don't know how to tell you this, person who directed this movie, but... you can't be twins if there's an age gap. That's not how any of this works.
The movie never calls them twins. The only reason people think they're twins is because they dress the same and speak in unisson, which is not a thing real twins do anayway.

Tarmor

2021-09-29, 05:14 AM

The movie never calls them twins. The only reason people think they're twins is because they dress the same and speak in unisson, which is not a thing real twins do anayway.

I think people think of them as twins because the actresses WERE twins, and people forget what was mentioned at the beginning about their ages. You wouldn't have looked at them in the movie and thought one was meant to be two years older than the other.

Fyraltari

2021-09-29, 05:31 AM

I think people think of them as twins because the actresses WERE twins, and people forget what was mentioned at the beginning about their ages. You wouldn't have looked at them in the movie and thought one was meant to be two years older than the other.

Fair enough.

Bartmanhomer

2021-09-29, 07:54 AM

Today at my job, there's a poltergeist at the men's toilet. To clarity, the toilet continues to flush without stopping. :eek:

Mystic Muse

2021-09-29, 08:22 AM

Today at my job, there's a poltergeist at the men's toilet. To clarity, the toilet continues to flush without stopping. :eek:

Do you mean that some unseen force is literally pushing the handle down repeatedly, or that it continues to flush well past the point it should stop?

If the latter, the little plastic nut/washer to the handle has probably gotten loose, so the plunger is probably getting caught on the chain. This causes the plunger to not seal in the reservoir, and the toilet to continue 'flushing' because it's essentially trying to fill a bucket with no bottom.

Bartmanhomer

2021-09-29, 08:24 AM

Do you mean that some unseen force is literally pushing the handle down repeatedly, or that it continues to flush well past the point it should stop?

If the latter, the little plastic nut/washer to the handle has probably gotten loose, so the plunger is probably getting caught on the chain. This causes the plunger to not seal in the reservoir, and the toilet to continue 'flushing' because it's essentially trying to fill a bucket with no bottom.
The second one.

LaZodiac

2021-09-29, 09:57 AM

The zombi discussion was about Doctor Who, not The Shining.

The movie never calls them twins. The only reason people think they're twins is because they dress the same and speak in unisson, which is not a thing real twins do anayway.

... my bad, I was tired oops.

I... also didn't actually know, as I haven't watched the film. And hey, twins can definitely do that sort of stuff (at least, the dressing the same).

Keltest

2021-09-29, 10:05 AM

If the latter, the little plastic nut/washer to the handle has probably gotten loose, so the plunger is probably getting caught on the chain. This causes the plunger to not seal in the reservoir, and the toilet to continue 'flushing' because it's essentially trying to fill a bucket with no bottom.

In this day and age, its more likely an electronics error with whatever system it is they use to auto-flush when you get up off the toilet. Mechanically its probably fine, theres just something in its tiny little toilet brain thats telling it continually "flush flush flush flush flush flush!"

Mystic Muse

2021-09-29, 10:05 AM

The second one.

Then yeah, it's normal wear and tear/failing parts.

In this day and age, its more likely an electronics error with whatever system it is they use to auto-flush when you get up off the toilet. Mechanically its probably fine, theres just something in its tiny little toilet brain thats telling it continually "flush flush flush flush flush flush!"

Fair, I was making a guess based off a similar issue with my home toilet.

Peelee

2021-09-29, 10:26 AM

The only reason people think they're twins is because they dress the same and speak in unisson, which is not a thing real twins do anayway.

It sounds like you don't know any cool twins. :smallwink:

Jasdoif

2021-09-29, 11:17 AM

Mechanically its probably fine, theres just something in its tiny little toilet brain thats telling it continually "flush flush flush flush flush flush!"Maybe it's trying to play poker?

Keltest

2021-09-29, 11:25 AM

Maybe it's trying to play poker?

Never make gamble with a toilet. No matter who wins, everybody loses.

Rater202

2021-09-29, 07:14 PM

Grilled Cheese experiment. Guda cheese on "rustic rye."

Ran into some trouble with running out of cooking oil before both sides were coated and had some trouble getting it to hold together when flipping, but the end product was satisfactory.

Mystic Muse

2021-09-30, 01:38 AM

Applied for new job. Let's see how it goes.

Some spots opened up Saturday for certification, so taking it then instead of Sunday.

Rater202

2021-10-01, 02:42 PM

We had to put the dog down.

I don't know the details but it had something to do with his heart. He's been getting orse recently, they went in and apparently his condition deteriorated and...

He was old and sick and inbred all to hell so we knew this was coming but...

I'm just glad he didn't die in the house. He wasn't "my dog" but I wouldn't have been able to handle that.

Form

2021-10-01, 03:17 PM

HalfTangible

2021-10-01, 05:26 PM

Bartmanhomer

2021-10-01, 07:59 PM

Rater202

2021-10-02, 02:07 AM

Form

2021-10-02, 09:38 AM

I've parted with the 2 plushies that I've had for ~25 years. In the end it wasn't as hard as I imagined it to be considering they had a lot of sentimental value. It probably helped that I had about 2 weeks to think about it, had a friend with me when I put them into the textile bin and taken a few more good looks at them before parting with them, so they had a proper sendoff. Any kind of repair would not have been a repair as much as remaking them from scratch. They were so badly torn up, discolored, kind of dirty, inside and out. They deserve better than to just waste away in that state on my shelf. This way, they get to be recycled into new plushies and their souls can go to plushie heaven*.

*Which is totally a thing, shut up.

LaZodiac

2021-10-02, 09:51 AM

Having gotten the details... He was basically drowning in his own fluids due to end-stage heart failure and wouldn't have made it through the night. It's better this way.

I'm fine. Little concerned about my stepfather—the old man was "his" dog and if my stepfather has one redeeming quality it's that he loved that dog. But he seems to be doing okay.Unrelated, so I slept for a cole of hours and when I woke u the idea of being cast as Satan in a stage adaption of the South Park movie was stuck in my head.

I don't know if that's what I was dreaming about but I have to wonder what the hell is going on in my subconscous.

I'm sorry for your loss; even if you were not personally close to the dog, there is comfort in animals and the absence will be noticed.

I mean what the hell is going on in your subconscious is a lot of stress and sadness. These things happen, and sometimes lead to weird places.

I've parted with the 2 plushies that I've had for ~25 years. In the end it wasn't as hard as I imagined it to be considering they had a lot of sentimental value. It probably helped that I had about 2 weeks to think about it, had a friend with me when I put them into the textile bin and taken a few more good looks at them before parting with them, so they had a proper sendoff. Any kind of repair would not have been a repair as much as remaking them from scratch. They were so badly torn up, discolored, kind of dirty, inside and out. They deserve better than to just waste away in that state on my shelf. This way, they get to be recycled into new plushies and their souls can go to plushie heaven*.

*Which is totally a thing, shut up.

It's sad, but also a beautiful thing indeed. They will go on to bring joy to others, and while their spirit passes on, the feelings will linger with you forever. From the sounds of it, these were very well loved, and that matters.

Form

2021-10-02, 10:43 AM

It's sad, but also a beautiful thing indeed. They will go on to bring joy to others, and while their spirit passes on, the feelings will linger with you forever. From the sounds of it, these were very well loved, and that matters.

This helps too. Thanks, Zodi.

factotum

2021-10-02, 12:44 PM

I'm of the understanding that most Europeans consider Turkey to be extremely hot and dry. Well... (http://www.phoenix.climatemps.com/vs/istanbul.php)

Istanbul is on the coast of the Bosphorus (the channel between the Mediterranean and the Black Sea), so it's most definitely not the hottest and driest part of Turkey by any stretch of the imagination.

Peelee

2021-10-02, 01:08 PM

True, but it's still part of Turkey.

Istanbul was Constantinople.

truemane

2021-10-02, 01:42 PM

Istanbul was Constantinople.
Why did Constantinople get the works?

Rater202

2021-10-02, 01:43 PM

Istanbul was Constantinople.

I'm sorry, I think you mean "Byzantium.""Okay everyone, read from this, the original manuscript for the Super Necronomicon to temper your minds with madness so that you won't go for-real insane when fighting Mega Cthulhu."

"Oh no, you read too much and now you're evil Monster versions of yourselves."

Sometimes the plots of comic book events are a bit contrived even by my standards.

Beeftank

2021-10-02, 01:54 PM

God, another greekophile not getting with the time. You should be thankful the great Emperor Constantine moved the Imperial Government from the Eternal City of Rome. What’s more, he did you the kindness of allowing his name to grace the new capital.

Don’t be so stuck in the past.

Peelee

2021-10-02, 01:58 PM

Why did Constantinople get the works?

That's nobody's business but the Turks'.

Form

2021-10-02, 02:15 PM

Okay everyone, read from this, the original manuscript for the Super Necronomicon to temper your minds with madness so that you won't go for-real insane when fighting Mega Cthulhu."

Feels like it cheapens the Outer Gods a bit? Regular Cthulhu is plenty incomprehensible to humans already, introducing Mega Cthulhu doesn't seem like it adds much.

Rater202

2021-10-02, 02:26 PM

Feels like it cheapens the Outer Gods a bit? Regular Cthulhu is plenty incomprehensible to humans already, introducing Mega Cthulhu doesn't seem like it adds much.I joke for context, but the truth is that other than speaking the same language they're not really that related beyond belonging the vague category of "Elder God."

enderlord99

2021-10-02, 02:32 PM

I joke for context, but the truth is that other than speaking the same language they're not really that related beyond belonging the vague category of "Elder God."

What language are you referring to...

Rl'yehnese? Outer Tongue? Proto-Shoggothian? French?

Fyraltari

2021-10-02, 02:35 PM

Feels like it cheapens the Outer Gods a bit? Regular Cthulhu is plenty incomprehensible to humans already, introducing Mega Cthulhu doesn't seem like it adds much.
I mean, what is Shub-Niggurath if not Mega-Cthulhu.

God, another greekophile not getting with the time. You should be thankful the great Emperor Constantine moved the Imperial Government from the Eternal City of Rome. What’s more, he did you the kindness of allowing his name to grace the new capital.

The capital had already been moved to Milan (and Nicodemia, but the capital-capital was Milan).

Rater202

2021-10-02, 02:38 PM

What language are you referring to...

Rl'yehnese? Outer Tongue? Proto-Shoggothian? French?

I've heard it described as Rl'yehian.

Also, and this slipped my mind: In the grand scheme of things Cthulhu is actually a very minor figure in the Mythos. Lovecraft himself allegedly called his works the Yog-Sothoth Cycle with the name settling on Cthulhu Mythos sometime after his death, due to Cthulhu being the most popular figure.

enderlord99

2021-10-02, 02:44 PM

I've heard it described as Rl'yehian.

So it's not Proto-Shoggothian, Outer Tongue, or French. Got it.

...

Actually, there probably isn't a "Proto-Shoggothian" at all simply because Shoggothian is a set of vernacular Rl'yehian dialects (much as Hellhound is a dialect of Infernal, or Cockney is a vernacular dialect of English)