Thurbane
2021-09-22, 05:42 PM
Hey all,
Just trying to gather some citations.
There seems to be two distinct schools of thought on this:
Hit Dice
For the purpose of effects related to number of Hit Dice, use the master’s character level or the familiar’s normal HD total, whichever is higher.
So some people (lets call this reading 1) take this to mean only in terms of hostile effects, such as a Sleep spell or other things which check the target's HD.
Others (we'll call this reading 2) take it to mean all effects - so if the familiar had the Celestial template, for instance, it's DR and resistance to energy would be based off the master's level, rather than the familiar's innate HD, if it was a higher figure.
I'm pretty certain I've seen citations in the books which support reading 2, but I'm struggling to find them. The only ones I can find are stat blocks, which are notoriously bad as far as citations go (Setios, one of the sample Fiend-Blooded, for instance. Since he doesn't even qualify for the PrC they are discussing, not a great citation).
AFAIK, "effect" does not appear in the glossary as a defined game term.
Any citations for either reading would be much appreciated.
Cheers - T
Just trying to gather some citations.
There seems to be two distinct schools of thought on this:
Hit Dice
For the purpose of effects related to number of Hit Dice, use the master’s character level or the familiar’s normal HD total, whichever is higher.
So some people (lets call this reading 1) take this to mean only in terms of hostile effects, such as a Sleep spell or other things which check the target's HD.
Others (we'll call this reading 2) take it to mean all effects - so if the familiar had the Celestial template, for instance, it's DR and resistance to energy would be based off the master's level, rather than the familiar's innate HD, if it was a higher figure.
I'm pretty certain I've seen citations in the books which support reading 2, but I'm struggling to find them. The only ones I can find are stat blocks, which are notoriously bad as far as citations go (Setios, one of the sample Fiend-Blooded, for instance. Since he doesn't even qualify for the PrC they are discussing, not a great citation).
AFAIK, "effect" does not appear in the glossary as a defined game term.
Any citations for either reading would be much appreciated.
Cheers - T