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Koran Redaxe
2021-09-26, 05:17 AM
Hey! I'm making a archivist, planning on going into Thurmagurist, focusing in summoning and calling spells. The issue I'm running into is that planar ally summons creatures that 'share your philosophical alignment'. I'm going the simple route and characterising the character as kinda amoral and dangerously knowledge hungry (probably TN). I need to find as many outsiders as possible that share that general attitude.

I'd really appreciate any help!

redking
2021-09-26, 06:22 AM
Improved Ally
When a thaumaturgist casts a planar ally spell (including the lesser and greater versions), he makes a Diplomacy check to convince the creature to aid him for a reduced payment. If the thaumaturgist’s Diplomacy check adjusts the creature’s attitude to helpful the creature will work for 50% of the standard fee, as long as the task is one that is not against its nature.

The thaumaturgist’s improved ally class feature only works when the planar ally shares at least one aspect of alignment with the thaumaturgist.

A thaumaturgist can have only one such ally at a time, but he may bargain for tasks from other planar allies normally.

The planar ally only has to share one aspect of your alignment. As a TN thaumaturgist, you have many options. LN, TN, NE, NG.

Biggus
2021-09-26, 11:38 AM
The Rilmani (FF) are a TN outsider race, but they're more the "keeping the balance" type of TN than the "amoral" type.

Tzardok
2021-09-26, 11:45 AM
The Nerra, also from FF, are TN and fall into the category of "enigmatic" and "self-centered".

Thurbane
2021-09-26, 06:36 PM
As well as the above mentioned Nerra and Rilmani, here's some more that I found:


Aoa (FF)
Arrowhawk (MM1)
Astral Dreadnough (MotP)
Behemoth, Eagle (ELH)
Behemoth, Gorilla (ELH)
Concordant Killer (MM4)
Dwarf, Midgard (Frost) [I hear they are great for crafting]
Energon, various (Planar Handbook, Bastion of Broken Souls and online)
Ephemera, Dusk Beast (MotP)
Ephemera, Ecalypse (MotP)
Ether Scarab (MM2)
Glimmerskin (MM2)
Keeper (FF)
Mephit, various (MM1, Sandstorm, EttDP)
Rast (MM1)
Ravid (MM1)
Spirit Centipede (OA)
Steel Predator (FF)
Swarm, Sunfly (BoED) [are swarms eligible?]
Sylph (MM2)
Titan, Elder (ELH)
Tojanida (MM1)
Vrill (Vessel of Stars online adevnture)
Xorn (MM1)


Not sure if Native Outsiders works for this, but:


Genesai, various (MoF, RoF)
Genie, Janni (MM1)
Planetouched, Shyft (FF)

ShurikVch
2021-09-26, 08:41 PM
If Native Outsiders works, then also Deathtouched (Dragon #313) and Glimmerfok (Dragon #321)

Thunder (Dragon #317): 7 HD Medium Outsider with Control Water/Winds/Weather and Ice Storm (each is 1/day)

Also, there are many templates which switching type to Outsider (say, Entropic Creature)...

Biggus
2021-09-26, 11:40 PM
Titan, Elder (ELH)


Heh, Elder Titans definitely fit the "dangerously knowledge hungry" part, good luck summoning one though...

Maat Mons
2021-09-27, 12:46 AM
Go to Evermeet. There are plenty of elves there who have the Outsider type by virtue of the Otherworldly regional feat. Make some friends. Ask them if it's all right to summon them with a Planar Ally spell. Use that "request a specific individual" function of the spells.

In fact, you yourself could be an elf from Evermeet with the otherworldly feat. Maybe you're part of a true neutral order of Archivists. Casting a Planar Ally spell would amount to calling up your guild mates and asking them to help you out. Just remember to answer requests for help from others too. It's only fair.

Dalmosh
2021-09-27, 01:49 AM
Psuedonatural templated beings

Elemental Weird

Mulhorandi Divine Minion of Thoth

Illurien (from MM5) is pretty much perfect, but you'd need Greater Planar Ally to deal with her.

Dabus (Expedition to the Demonweb Pits)

ShurikVch
2021-09-27, 03:08 AM
Advanced Spell Weaver Monster of Legend