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kbob
2021-10-06, 01:42 AM
As the title suggests. Are there any evil aligned elementals that are on the summon monster lists? I have a theory craft summoner build I’m working on and it gets bonuses to evil summons and other bonuses to elementals.

Quentinas
2021-10-06, 01:52 AM
Well assuming that Elemental small (any) can include other elementals outside the monster manual the first elemental that come to mind is the Shadow elemental from Tome of Magic , they are usually Neutral Evil so I think that it could be included in the evil elemental . There is fiendish summoning specialist (from planar handbook) as another option to add some evil elementals (not ask me how many there are of evil elementals i know the earth whisperer but not so many other) and to be on the theme of the fiendish elemental you could try the demon-fused elemental archetype from Dragon compendium. But as is this a theory build I don't think that fiendish summoning specialist would help as it is DM dependant

hamishspence
2021-10-06, 02:38 AM
Taint elementals from Heroes of Horror?

Quentinas
2021-10-06, 03:01 AM
Wait didn't read the title (or maybe was changed) we are talking about an epic spell right ? SUmmon monster X is an epic spell ( i don't know the specifics) so probably the Cyclonic ravager, Holocaust disciple, and Waterveiled assassin from monster manual IV should be fine (for some reasons the black rock triskelion it's quite stronger compared to these 3 so it's not the best idea). For other lesser types of elemental I would use the demon fused archetype or doing 1d4+1 of elder shadow elemental. But it's an epic spell so it's difficult to choose an elemental strong enough for me

Tzardok
2021-10-06, 03:05 AM
I'm pretty sure the OP meant X as in the variable x.

Elemental grues from Complete Arcana are evil elementals with a few nasty tricks that are automatically added to the list of Summon Monster 4.

kbob
2021-10-06, 10:47 AM
I'm pretty sure the OP meant X as in the variable x.

Elemental grues from Complete Arcana are evil elementals with a few nasty tricks that are automatically added to the list of Summon Monster 4.

Yes I was. I wasn’t aware of the epics spell, so sorry for any confusion.

Thank you! It’s hard finding evil elementals, let alone on a “summon monster” spell list.
And thank you for adding which “summon monster” that is on.

Tzardok
2021-10-06, 11:07 AM
To tell the truth, I've never heard of a Summon Monster 10 spell. The way epic spells work you would propably need to create it for yourself.

Edit: Incidentally, in Stormwrack there is the Caller from the Deeps (Summon Monster 7). Monster Manual 2 also has the breathdrinker and the fire bat, but it only mentions that hey can be summoned, not how. 3.0 books are bad with things like that.
If you are open to third party stuff, crack open the Ravenloft books. In Ravenloft, only corruptions of the normal elements are available, causing the summoner to summon grave, pyre, mist and blood elementals. If your character is crafty and your GM plays ball you may forge a connection to the Ravenlofts "elemental" demiplanes without needing to enter.

ShurikVch
2021-10-06, 12:04 PM
Dungeon #138 have Mud Grue (which is CR 2 too)

Dragon #302 has "The Summoner's Circle" article
It explicitly suggested:

Summon Monster IV
Fire Bat

Summon Monster VI
Belker
Breathdrinker

Also, by the suggestions from the article -

Summon Monster IV (CR 3)
Darkness Pseudo-Elemental, Small (Dragon #322)
Magma Hurler (Miniatures Handbook)

Summon Monster V (CR 4-5)
Darkness Pseudo-Elemental, Medium (Dragon #322)
Earth Whisper (Races of Stone)

Summon Monster VI (CR 6-7)
Chraal (Monster Manual III)
Spawn of Juiblex, Lesser (Monster Manual V)
Darkness Pseudo-Elemental, Large (Dragon #322)

Summon Monster VII (CR 8-9)
Darkness Pseudo-Elemental, Huge (Dragon #322)

Summon Monster VIII (CR 10-11)
Spawn of Juiblex, Greater (Monster Manual V)
Darkness Pseudo-Elemental, Greater (Dragon #322)

Summon Monster IX (CR 12-13)
Cinder Swarm (Monster Manual III)
Darkness Pseudo-Elemental, Elder (Dragon #322)
Living Holocaust (Fiend Folio)


Finally, Dragon #347 - "Princes of Elemental Evil" article - has [vile] Corrupt Summoning feat, which gives to all your summons Evil subtype and alignment

Quentinas
2021-10-06, 01:41 PM
What I was meaning with epic spell that some monster that could be adeguate to the scale of an epic spell were the one I said before. But as it is an epic spell one should create that spell , not that summon monster X existed

Thurbane
2021-10-06, 04:43 PM
As the title suggests. Are there any evil aligned elementals that are on the summon monster lists? I have a theory craft summoner build I’m working on and it gets bonuses to evil summons and other bonuses to elementals.

While not Summon Monster, I compiled a list of "other" summoning spells - they may provide some more options:


Cool, thanks. Won't be including KoK, Dragon or similar sources at the moment.

Does this list look complete?


Abyssal Army (SC - Clr 9, Sor/Wiz 9)
Aerial Summoning Dance (RoF - Clr 4)
Armageddon (BoED - Sanctified 9) [1 minute/level]
Call of the Twilight Defender (DM - Drd 6, Sor/Wiz 6, Initiate of Tamara 6)
Creeping Doom (https://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/creepingDoom.htm) (Drd 7, DM 7, UD 7, Scalykind 7, Spider 8) [1 minute/level]
Doom of the Seas (Sto - Drd 9, Blackwater 9)
Dragon Ally (SC - Sor/Wiz 7, Dragon 7)
Dragon Ally, Greater (SC - Sor/Wiz 9)
Dragon Ally, Lesser (SC - Sor/Wiz 5)
Elemental Swarm (https://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/elementalSwarm.htm) (Drd 9, Wmg 9, Air 9, Dwarf 9, Earth 9, Fire 9, Ocean 9, Water 9)
Eyes of the King (SC - Hunger 6)
Fierce Pride of the Beastlands (SC - Clr 8, Sor/Wiz 8)
Gatorswarm (http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/fw/20030706a) (Drd 6)
Heavenly Host (SC - Clr 9, Sor-Wiz 9)
Hellish Horde (SC - Clr 9, Sor-Wiz 9)
Hunters of Hades (SC - Clr 9)
Insect Plague (https://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/insectPlague.htm) (Clr 5, Drd 5, DM 5, DN 5, Spider 5) [1 minute/level]
Luminous Assassin (PHB2 - Sor/Wiz 5)
Luminous Assassin, Greater (PHB2 - Sor/Wiz 7)
Luminous Assassin, Lesser (PHB2 - Sor/Wiz 3)
Mephit Mob (Sa - Brd 6, Drd 6, Thirst 7)
Mount (https://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/mount.htm) (Hex 1, MP 1, Magewright 1, Savant 1, Sha'ir 1, Sor/Wiz 1)
Phantom Bear (SC - Drd 9)
Phantom Wolf (SC - Drd 8)
Plague of Rats (SC - Pestilence 5)
Regal Procession (SC - Pal 3, Sor/Wiz 3)
Shadow Trap* (CoR - Clr 7, Sor/Wiz 7) [1 hour level until activated, then 1 round/level]
Spider Plague (SC - Cleric 6)
Summon Aspect of Bahamut (RotD - Clr 7, Sor/Wiz 7)
Summon Babau Demon (SC - Clr 6)
Summon Bearded Devil (SC - Clr 5)
Summon Blood Elemental (http://archive.wizards.com/dnd/article.asp?x=dnd/sb/sb20030208a) (Clr 5)
Summon Bralani Eladrin (SC - Clr 5)
Summon Clockwork Mender Swarm (MM4 - Clr 4, Sor/Wiz 4)
Summon Desert Ally I (Sa - Drd 1, Rng 4)
Summon Desert Ally II (Sa - Drd 2, Rng 4)
Summon Desert Ally III (Sa - Drd 3, Rng 4)
Summon Desert Ally IV (Sa - Drd 4, Rng 4)
Summon Desert Ally V (Sa - Drd 5)
Summon Desert Ally VI (Sa - Drd 6)
Summon Desert Ally VII (Sa - Drd 7)
Summon Desert Ally VIII (Sa - Drd 8)
Summon Desert Ally IX (Sa - Drd 9, Sand 9)
Summon Devoted Roc (RotW - Sky 9) [1 hour/level]
Summon Dire Hawk (RotW - Drd 2, Sky 2) [1 minute/level]
Summon Elemental Monolith (SC - Clr 9, Drd 9, Sor/Wiz 9, WJ 9)
Summon Elementite Swarm (SC - Drd 4)
Summon Elysian Thrush (SC Brd 2, Clr 2)
Summon Giants (Fr - DoT 4, Clr 8, Winter 8)
Summon Golem (PHB 2 - Clr 9, Sor/Wiz 9)
Summon Greater Elemental (SC - Drd 6)
Summon Hound Archon (SC - Clr 4)
Summon Marked Homunculus (Dragonmarked - Sor/Wiz 1)
Summon Mirror Mephit (EttDP - Brd 2, Clr 2, Sor/Wiz 2)
Summon Pest Swarm (Cty - Clr 4,Drd 4, Sor/Wiz 4)
Summon Swarm (https://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/summonSwarm.htm) (Brd 2, Drd 2, DM 2, DN 2, Hex 2, Sha'ir 2, Sor/Wiz 2, UD 2, pestilence 2, Spider 2)
Summon Undead I (SC - Blk 1, Clr 1, DN 1, Sor/Wizard 1)
Summon Undead II (SC - Blk 2, Clr 2, DN 2, Sor/Wizard 2)
Summon Undead III (SC - Blk 3, Clr 3, DN 3, Sor/Wizard 3)
Summon Undead IV (SC - Blk 4, Clr 4, DN 4, Sor/Wizard 4)
Summon Undead V (SC - Clr 5, DN 5, Sor/Wizard 5)
Summon Warforged Champion (FoE - Warforged 9)
Vipergout (SC - Sor/Wiz 3)


Other stuff:

Child of Winter:

1st Level - Monstrous centipede, Medium, Monstrous scorpion, Small , Monstrous spider, Small. 2nd Level - Giant ant, worker , Monstrous centipede, Large; Monstrous scorpion, Medium; Monstrous spider, Medium; Spider swarm. 3rd Level - Giant ant, queen , Giant ant, soldier ; Monstrous centipede, Huge ; Monstrous spider, Large. 4th Level - Giant praying mantis; Giant wasp ; Locust swarm; Monstrous scorpion, Large. 5th Level - Centipede swarm,; Carrion crawler; Giant stag beetle. 6th Level - Monstrous centipede, Gargantuan; Monstrous scorpion, Huge. 7th Level - Hellwasp swarm; Monstrous spider, Gargantuan. 8th Level - Monstrous centipede, Colossal; Monstrous scorpion, Gargantuan. 9th Level - Monstrous scorpion, Colossal; Monstrous spider, Colossal.

Rashemi Elemental Summoning:

When casting a spell that summons air or earth elementals, you may choose to summon an orglash or thomil instead.

Wild Soul (Summon Seelie Ally):

2nd (Summon Monster IV) Seelie: Blink dog, Pegasus, Senmurv (Fiend Folio), Unicorn; Unseelie: Aranea, Howler, Redcap, young (Monster Manual III); Shadar-kai (Fiend Folio); 4th (Summon Monster V) Seelie: Nixie, Satyr (with pipes), Unseelie: Joy stealer (Monster Manual IV), Shadow mastiff, 6th (Summon Monster VI) Seelie: Pixie (can't cast Otto's irresistible dance; with sleep arrows, but not memory loss arrows), Shimmerling swarm (Monster Manual III), Unseelie: Displacer beast, Winter wolf, 8th (Summon Monster VII) Seelie: Lillend, Leskylor (Book of Exalted Deeds), Unseelie: Annis, Will-o'-wisp, 10th (Summon Monster VIII); Seelie: Bearhound (Monster Manual III), Leskylor, three-headed (Book of Exalted Deeds); Unseelie: Redcap, elder (Monster Manual III), Rejkar (Monster Manual III)

loky1109
2021-10-06, 05:20 PM
Maybe this will be helpful: https://forums.giantitp.com/showthread.php?444042-Legal-3-5-Summonable-Monster-List

Bullet06320
2021-10-06, 05:30 PM
https://forums.giantitp.com/showthread.php?527203-Summoning-Handbook

this thread might help, a lot of good links and information to help


Dungeon #138 have Mud Grue (which is CR 2 too)

Dragon #302 has "The Summoner's Circle" article
It explicitly suggested:

Summon Monster IV
Fire Bat

Summon Monster VI
Belker
Breathdrinker

Also, by the suggestions from the article -

Summon Monster IV (CR 3)
Darkness Pseudo-Elemental, Small (Dragon #322)
Magma Hurler (Miniatures Handbook)

Summon Monster V (CR 4-5)
Darkness Pseudo-Elemental, Medium (Dragon #322)
Earth Whisper (Races of Stone)

Summon Monster VI (CR 6-7)
Chraal (Monster Manual III)
Spawn of Juiblex, Lesser (Monster Manual V)
Darkness Pseudo-Elemental, Large (Dragon #322)

Summon Monster VII (CR 8-9)
Darkness Pseudo-Elemental, Huge (Dragon #322)

Summon Monster VIII (CR 10-11)
Spawn of Juiblex, Greater (Monster Manual V)
Darkness Pseudo-Elemental, Greater (Dragon #322)

Summon Monster IX (CR 12-13)
Cinder Swarm (Monster Manual III)
Darkness Pseudo-Elemental, Elder (Dragon #322)
Living Holocaust (Fiend Folio)


Finally, Dragon #347 - "Princes of Elemental Evil" article - has [vile] Corrupt Summoning feat, which gives to all your summons Evil subtype and alignment

the summoner's circle article is great, lets you slap on a template to a critter, find the new CR, make a couple skill checks and add new critter to your list, say you want to summon fiendish elementals, there you go, evil elementals at your command

Thurbane
2021-10-06, 05:42 PM
Using the Fiendish Summing Specialist feat mentioned above, you could work to put some more evil elementals on your list. Or maybe even chat with the DM about the Themed Summoning Lists or Individualized Summoning Lists options from UA: https://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/magic/summonMonsterVariants.htm

A lot of these have been mentioned already, but here's some I found:


Elemental Grue, Chaggrin (CAr) CR 2, 2HD
Elemental Grue, Harginn (CAr) CR 2, 2HD
Elemental Grue, Ildriss(CAr) CR 2, 2HD
Elemental Grue, Vardigg (CAr) CR 2, 2HD
Elemental, Shadow, Small (ToM) CR 2, 2HD
Elemental, Taint, Small (HoH) CR 2, 3HD
Magma Hurler (MH) CR 3, 4HD
Fire Bat (MM2) CR 3, 6HD
Elemental, Shadow, Medium (ToM) CR 4, 4HD
Earth Whisper (RoS) CR 5, 4HD
Elemental, Taint, Medium (HoH) CR 5, 4HD
Blazewyrm (DrM) CR 5, 9HD
Belker (MM) CR 6, 7HD
Spawn of Juiblex, Lesser (MM5) CR 6, 8HD
Chraal (MM3) CR 6, 9HD
Breathdrinker (MM2) CR 7, 8HD
Elemental, Shadow, Large (ToM) CR CR 7, 8HD
Elemental, Taint, Large (HoH) CR 7, 8HD
Caller from the Deeps (Storm) CR 9, 9HD
Elemental, Shadow, Huge (ToM) CR 9, 16 HD
Elemental, Taint, Huge (HoH) CR 9, 16HD
Spawn of Juiblex, Greater (MM5) CR 10, 11HD
Elemental, Shadow, Greater (ToM) CR 11, 21HD
Elemental, Taint, Greater (HoH) CR 11, 21 HD