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Dean Fellithor
2007-11-17, 01:36 AM
My best friend from school, who invited me into the group to start with, has been keeping me from the group for the last 2 months. I feel so angry, but I think its because of my liking of Anime based things, he always hated people who liked Anime, since I have gotten into Final Fantasy he has been picking on me constantly, he even said my Idea for a character with a Great Cleaver was stupid.

I'm currently in the mood for switching to another group, but the only other group I know of plays on a Wednesday from 4 till 11Pm...which doesnt fit in well with my school and all that for next year...

What should I do?

JaxGaret
2007-11-17, 01:55 AM
Rethink your mental framework for the phrase "best friend".

Anyone who would do that to you is hardly a friend of yours, let alone a best friend.

VerdugoExplode
2007-11-17, 02:26 AM
Er, how into final fantasy are we talking about here. As in "I am currently enjoying a final fantasy rpg at the moment when not otherwise doing/avoiding homework" or "Guys! Final Fantasy is the best game in the history of creation! I'm going to make a guy who wears a black trench coat with a 7 foot long sword! I'll name him resiphroth!" Also, how big is the great cleaver in question, less than or greater than 5 feet in length?

JaxGaret
2007-11-17, 02:33 AM
resiphroth!

The funny has been brought.

:smallsmile:

Lord Tataraus
2007-11-17, 02:52 AM
Well, there is always PbP.

BRC
2007-11-17, 02:56 AM
try go to one session, get to know the other people in the group, then have them tell you when the sessions are and slowly work your influence to ruin your "Friends" life for being a jerk.

Reinboom
2007-11-17, 02:59 AM
Get the rest of his group into anime. :smalltongue:

Tengu
2007-11-17, 03:42 AM
Nobody who hates anime is worth being friends with - not only because anime is awesome, but because people who hate others for their tastes are small, narrow-minded idiots. I can dislike Harry Potter, but I won't pick on someone who does like the books - in fact, many of my friends do find them enjoyable.

Xefas
2007-11-17, 04:28 AM
Nobody who hates anime is worth being friends with - not only because anime is awesome, but because people who hate others for their tastes are small, narrow-minded idiots. I can dislike Harry Potter, but I won't pick on someone who does like the books - in fact, many of my friends do find them enjoyable.

I heard that people who don't like Cowboy Bebop are not, actually, people at all, but rather soulless shells bereft of all humanity, whose only goal is to bring misery upon others.

Anyway, on a serious note, whether this group of people are collectively asshats or not is irrelevant. First, straight up ask why you're being excluded. If it is, in fact, for the simple fact you like Anime, then the point is moot. They don't like you, and they are not reasonable people. You can't convince an unreasonable person of anything, so give up; there's nothing you can do. Quit worrying about it and try to find another group. Anything you do to people of such ignorance will do you no good, and is likely to do you ill.

On the other hand, it might not be the case. You *could* be doing something and not even know it. My group used to have someone who would invariably begin talking over everyone when he had something to say, and would bring everything to a dead stand still every couple minutes. We eventually talked to him about it, and he stopped, having not even thought of it before.

Sometimes its just something harmless...

tsuyoshikentsu
2007-11-17, 05:07 AM
I'd like to point out that while people not liking someone because they like anime isn't really a legitimate reason for not liking them, a gaming group not liking a player because his characters are blatant and overdone anime ripoffs is. That kind of person is just irritating to game with in any sort of serious game.

That said, anyone who doesn't like Cowboy Bebop is subhuman and deserves everything horrible that ever happens to them.

KIDS
2007-11-17, 05:21 AM
Nobody who hates anime is worth being friends with - not only because anime is awesome, but because people who hate others for their tastes are small, narrow-minded idiots. I can dislike Harry Potter, but I won't pick on someone who does like the books - in fact, many of my friends do find them enjoyable.

Quoted for truth :)

Well anyways, my advice is not to react explosively. Be calm, gather yourself and have a cool conversation. Tell him that ideas are ideas and an inspiration for the character is not really a reason for disliking anyone. If he doesn't want an "anime feel" to his gameworld, you can play something different (provided this is ok with you and his reaction is properly peaceful).

1) are you prepared to change your character? Anime or not, there are more things to Anime than oversized objects and thus many ideas some of which are comfortable for both worlds.
2) try play by post, either here or somewhere else (PM me for some links if you want because it might not be okay to post them in public), as an addition to your real life possible gaming. As a start it consumes very little time and gains you a lot of insight.
3) be diplomatic. No matter the game, the last thing you want is making a RL enemy out of him. His motivation might be stupid but his actions won't be any more pleasant, so careful and don't cause any bad feelings.
4) good luck!

p.s. I myself don't like Anime :smallcool:

Premier
2007-11-17, 07:05 AM
No offense, but using a cleaver as a weapon of battle, let alone a giant oversized cleaver, is pretty stupid. :P




(PS: What Tsuyoshikentsu said, but less elaborate and more snarky.)

Tengu
2007-11-17, 07:48 AM
He might mean a medieval cleaver, which is basically a large chopping one-sided sword. And even a kitchen cleaver would be a less stupid weapon than a spiked chain or a double sword.

Kiero
2007-11-17, 07:48 AM
Nobody who hates anime is worth being friends with - not only because anime is awesome,

Nonsense. Second part of your point is good sense, disliking someone simply because of what they like or dislike is ridiculous. But calling someone narrow-minded because they don't share your tastes is a complete cop-out.

I don't like anime, don't like to see it mixed into my fantasy or any other genre (yet I like wuxia, on it's own, which I see as distinct and different from anime). Yet whether or not someone else likes it is not what I base my opinion of them upon.

Tengu
2007-11-17, 07:51 AM
Nonsense. Second part of your point is good sense, disliking someone simply because of what they like or dislike is ridiculous. But calling someone narrow-minded because they don't share your tastes is a complete cop-out.

I don't like anime, don't like to see it mixed into my fantasy or any other genre (yet I like wuxia, on it's own, which I see as distinct and different from anime). Yet whether or not someone else likes it is not what I base my opinion of them upon.

{Scrubbed}

Ulzgoroth
2007-11-17, 07:59 AM
{Scrubbed}
Your post did in fact contain:

Nobody who hates anime is worth being friends with
This was not modified in any useful way.

The fact that you pretty clearly meant to say that no one who is hostile to people because they hate anime is worth being friends with doesn't change that you just cast out all people who vehemently dislike the form itself.

Tengu
2007-11-17, 08:15 AM
It's not my fault that, apparently, some people couldn't recognize a tongue-in-the-cheek statement even if it walked up to them and kicked them in the ass. Bear in mind that the only one who took offense in what I've written was Kiero, who, let's say it delicately, seems to enjoy causing ruckus on the forums. And people who don't like anime posted too.

But we're very close to turning this thread into a flame war.

daggaz
2007-11-17, 08:33 AM
Your post did in fact contain:

EDIT (to add the quote)Nobody who hates anime is worth being friends with

This was not modified in any useful way.

The fact that you pretty clearly meant to say that no one who is hostile to people because they hate anime is worth being friends with doesn't change that you just cast out all people who vehemently dislike the form itself.

Ermm... dude. You modified the text by omission. It's called "the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth" for good reason, my emphasis. You can't just quote a small piece that fits what you need, and ignore the rest. You took that quote completely out of context, and by doing so, you distorted what was actually said. It is paramount to lying, in a court of law.

And for the future, when you do quote a small piece of a larger communication (keeping in mind that one must preserve the original intent and meaning of the speaker), you would end the quote with "..." so that people can clearly see it is not a complete quote.

The actual post was quite clear in its meaning and its intent. Yes, he used something called sarcasm. No, you weren't meant to take the sarcastic part of his comment literally. Sure, he could have spelled it out for you without resorting to such advanced literary conventions, but he really shouldn't have to. Honestly I have an easier time believing you didn't actually read beyond the first sentence, than the possibility that you didnt grasp the meaning.

Anyhow, as to the OP, I am with the other folks who say you should reevaluate your definition of "best friend." I wouldn't do something like that to one of my friends, ever. You outta talk to him directly about it, and see how he reacts. If he is mature and willing to talk about it, maybe you guys can figure everything out. If he really just snubs you like that simply because of one of your tastes? Seriously, not worth being friends with. I tease my friends, sure, but the idea isnt to hurt their feelings and especially not to ostracize them. Anyways, sounds like a jerk to me.

Xefas
2007-11-17, 08:36 AM
I would just like to point out that, as long as we're using sweeping generalizations for "Anime", as it is not a genre, but in fact an entire medium, that the other generalized category should be "non-Anime".

I would then like to contend that "non-Anime" includes Battlefield Earth, and thus Anime is, on the whole, of better quality than non-Anime.

What's the worst Anime has? The 9/10ths of Dragonball Z where nothing happened? Zaizen Jotaro? The Americanized opener to One Piece?

Crap, I admit, but 10,000 times better than the majority of things that are not Anime, as not-Anime is a very large subject to be defending.

kamikasei
2007-11-17, 08:49 AM
My best friend from school, who invited me into the group to start with, has been keeping me from the group for the last 2 months.

Explain please how he's "keeping you from the group". He's not telling you when sessions take place? He's telling you not to come? He's somehow actively preventing you from coming?

If the rest of the group are happy to play with you then find out from them when the sessions are on. If your friend is actually saying or showing that he doesn't want you there, you'll have to decide if it's worth trying to patch things up, or whether you should a) show up regardless and let him deal with his own issues or b) bow out gracefully as it's not much fun when a group doesn't actually want to play together. If the other players also seem not to welcome your participation, there's no point trying to force the issue.

If leaving the group seems like the best option then I guess you'll just need to look harder for other groups to play with. Try gaming stores, school/college societies, message boards, craigslist etc. If you're unable to find an RL group, try PbP (which is worth trying anyway, but maybe you really want the tabletop experience). There are sites all over the net to support it, including these forums right here.

Kiero
2007-11-17, 09:46 AM
It's not my fault that, apparently, some people couldn't recognize a tongue-in-the-cheek statement even if it walked up to them and kicked them in the ass.

Newsflash! Nuances are difficult to convey in a purely textual format.

Matthew
2007-11-17, 09:58 AM
Newsflash! Nuances are difficult to convey in a purely textual format.

Heh, heh. And so the pot is stirred... I wonder if these slights can be avenged through a D&D PBP Duel? One of you could take the role of a Complete Warrior Samurai and the other a Monk. I think it would be pretty awesome and we could prove by divine providencial victory the true value of Anime. Tengu versus Kiero... FIGHT!

Anyway, yeah, how old are the people in question?

Lord Lorac Silvanos
2007-11-17, 10:54 AM
Heh, heh. And so the pot is stirred... I wonder if these slights can be avenged through a D&D PBP Duel? One of you could take the role of a Complete Warrior Samurai and the other a Monk. I think it would be pretty awesome and we could prove by divine providencial victory the true value of Anime. Tengu versus Kiero... FIGHT!

What a great idea. People should do that more often around here instead of flaming. :smallwink:


Anyway, yeah, how old are the people in question?

Dean Fellithor is 15.

Dean Fellithor
2007-11-17, 10:57 AM
Heh, heh. And so the pot is stirred... I wonder if these slights can be avenged through a D&D PBP Duel? One of you could take the role of a Complete Warrior Samurai and the other a Monk. I think it would be pretty awesome and we could prove by divine providencial victory the true value of Anime. Tengu versus Kiero... FIGHT!

Anyway, yeah, how old are the people in question?

My "Friend" is my age, the rest of the group are in their late 20's or so...

and yes, my "Friend" is supposed to tell me when the games are on, instead I've been calling him (wasting my families money, he is richer than me...) asking him when D'n'D is on, he says "No D'n'D on tonight." I hang up, a weak later he tells me that there was infact D'n'D that night, when infact he could have told me on the phone or at school all the other days that we were in class together...:furious:

All I want to do is make a serious Stand-alone type Hero who is running away from his past, he picks on my character and plays his characters like D'n'D is a big bloody joke where as I play my character as I design him but eventually collapse under the stupidity of his (my friend's) non-roleplayed piss-farting around characters.

Lord Lorac Silvanos
2007-11-17, 11:03 AM
Maybe you should consider if you even want to play with this guy?

It does not sound like much fun...

Dean Fellithor
2007-11-17, 11:21 AM
Maybe you should consider if you even want to play with this guy?

It does not sound like much fun...

but you see, I come up with names which have meanings, like my new character (Spoilered for reasons):

Ben Mckenzie Wolfe
(Son of the Light Skinned Wolf) a Half Celestial Half Human who found himself in the current World after his was wiped out by a looming darkness from beyond the Universe, he has 2 wings but one of them is bandaged and hidden (happened because of a plague that went through his Homeplanet when the Darkness came), it is bleeding slowly and he needs to take 5 potions daily to keep himself in top physical form, his Cleaver is similar to that of the Buster Sword ((Final Fantasy 7) except for the hidden other weapons that come out of it.) and is as big as it. he wears a pair of black pants from his Homeworld (they seem to be from a modern world, with black dyed patches from this world sown onto it to repair them.) and a Brown leather coat from this world with a Pauldron attached to each shoulder. He wears Leather Bandit Boots

Where the best he has ever come up with is a character called SID (Sinner in Disgrace) who fought for a church of Heironious, which has been over-used in our group already from what I've heard because whenever somebody does have a god its always BLOODY HEIRONIOUS!

Matthew
2007-11-17, 11:29 AM
What a great idea. People should do that more often around here instead of flaming. :smallwink:

Heh, even Internet Trolls could participate as... well... Trolls.


My "Friend" is my age, the rest of the group are in their late 20's or so...

and yes, my "Friend" is supposed to tell me when the games are on, instead I've been calling him (wasting my families money, he is richer than me...) asking him when D'n'D is on, he says "No D'n'D on tonight." I hang up, a weak later he tells me that there was infact D'n'D that night, when infact he could have told me on the phone or at school all the other days that we were in class together...

Ah right, I think I'm starting to get a clearer picture of what's going on. Your friend isn't the DM, but he invited you to participate with an older group that he's been gaming with for a while and is now giving you the cold shoulder? How do you get on with the rest of the group? You know, it is possible, and don't take this the wrong way, that the group has asked him to 'uninvite' you and he's having a hard time breaking it to you.


All I want to do is make a serious Stand-alone type Hero who is running away from his past, he picks on my character and plays his characters like D'n'D is a big bloody joke where as I play my character as I design him but eventually collapse under the stupidity of his (my friend's) non-roleplayed piss-farting around characters.

Hmmn. Well, that may just be a clash of style preference. D&D can be serious and it can be a joke, depending on the group. Mind, the character you are describing sounds like a bad idea. Stand alone heroes that don't mix well with groups are a well know archetype and much hated.

It sounds to me like there are a lot of problems here and you need to find out how the rest of the group feel.

[Edit]
That character sounds like an anime cliche to me.

Dean Fellithor
2007-11-17, 11:46 AM
Hmmn. Well, that may just be a clash of style preference. D&D can be serious and it can be a joke, depending on the group. Mind, the character you are describing sounds like a bad idea. Stand alone heroes that don't mix well with groups are a well know archetype and much hated.

It sounds to me like there are a lot of problems here and you need to find out how the rest of the group feel.

[Edit]
That character sounds like an anime cliche to me.

The character has trouble developing because his planet, his life and his loved ones are all worse off than Dead, his wing is giving him constant pan and he is in a world full of mostly (Sentient) undead beings (Undead, not Un-people), the living that are there are most likely going to be Necromancers and Corpse loving Emos, of course he is going to want to be alone, but he stays with group for the sake of getting out of this world before the Immortals come to cart his butt away because he is supposed to have died with the rest of his planets inhabitants.

Matthew
2007-11-17, 12:10 PM
The character has trouble developing because his planet, his life and his loved ones are all worse off than Dead, his wing is giving him constant pan and he is in a world full of mostly (Sentient) undead beings (Undead, not Un-people), the living that are there are most likely going to be Necromancers and Corpse loving Emos, of course he is going to want to be alone, but he stays with group for the sake of getting out of this world before the Immortals come to cart his butt away because he is supposed to have died with the rest of his planets inhabitants.

...which all sounds interesting, but it does rather scream "woe is me, I'm the last of my kind, pity me for my plight and admire me for my stoic suffering and skill with my oversized phalic blade". You're kind of setting up significant expectations for the future of your character and the degree of spotlight he will command in the game. All of which is fine if you have discussed the character concept with your DM, but runs the risk of overshadowing the more conventional character concepts of your fellow players .

[I]Dungeons & Dragons is an interactive co-operate game, but that doesn't just mean your characters help one another in the game world, it means that the Dungeon Master and Players collaborate and compromise to collectively have a good gaming experience.

Emperor Demonking
2007-11-17, 12:12 PM
Do you know if your best is the only one who wants you out?

Eldmor
2007-11-17, 12:19 PM
For the character you're trying to play, it sounds like D&D wouldn't be the best system for him. You also might want to take away all of the canon references; you can still have an influence from a setting but not have to be a Promethean of all the characters.
If you want a game purely based in the Anime-verse of your choice, Big Eyes, Small Mouth is a good way to go. If you just want pure, over-the-top, insaneness, Exalted works out quite well.
I would also suggest you look around the PbP boards for a game. If your friends aren't into the kind of game you want to play, find other people to play with. You can still be friends, just without the awkward tension.

VerdugoExplode
2007-11-17, 12:28 PM
I would like to point out that unfortunately your character falls under the "Guys! Final Fantasy is the best game in the history of creation! I'm going to make a guy who wears a black trench coat with a 7 foot long sword! I'll name him resiphroth!" which is going to be a massive turn off to many people. Creating a half celestial with only one wing who wields, as you described it, a buster sword is going to be seen as ridiculous and immature to many gaming groups. I'm sorry to say that this might be your fault.

What you are wanting, taken to its logical extreme, is "DM, I want to make a guy from another planet who shoots energy blasts and when he gets angry his hair turns blond and he charges up and shoots bigger energy blasts that will destroy the earth! At level 1!" Your character unfortunately reeks of someone who takes an unhealthy interest in final fantasy and feels the need to make a final fantasy character in every campaign regardless of whether or not it would make sense. You may want to get into exalted though. I hear its all about the ridiculous demigod antics.

Crow
2007-11-17, 02:01 PM
We have one player in our group who plays the Final Fantasy MMO all-the-time. While I have no problem with Final Fantasy or anime in general, I do have a problem when this player is constantly making Final Fantasy references and calling all money "gil". It disrupts the game, and is annoying to the DM and players who are trying to get into the setting of the game we're playing.

Don't be that guy.

Thinker
2007-11-17, 02:03 PM
The character has trouble developing because his planet, his life and his loved ones are all worse off than Dead, his wing is giving him constant pan and he is in a world full of mostly (Sentient) undead beings (Undead, not Un-people), the living that are there are most likely going to be Necromancers and Corpse loving Emos, of course he is going to want to be alone, but he stays with group for the sake of getting out of this world before the Immortals come to cart his butt away because he is supposed to have died with the rest of his planets inhabitants.

Frankly, I think you should check with the DM if that character concept is even viable. Who's to say if his campaign world has other planets? Maybe tone it back a bit: no man is an island. Be the last of his kind from a village/town that was wiped out by aberrations or something.

Azerian Kelimon
2007-11-17, 02:19 PM
And, if worst comes to worst, prepare a last laugh. Set up a joke in his bedroom, so that when he opens the door, Heal The World starts blasting at full volume.


But before, that, I'd have to agree, you're making a ton of mistakes or more:

1) Being the sole survivor of planetary catastrophes is not good. D&D games happen in a single plane, most of the time, and you want a whole planet destroyed for you? I'd have to say no if I DM'ed.

2) Standalone badass? Big WRONG! right there. D&D is a team game, standalone's don't work. Rework it someway, because nobody wants to be lacking a party member because the other guy decided he wanted a badass chump.

3) Your character does, Indeed, REEK of anime/manga. A giant cleaver sword? Puh-leeze.

4) Not the same kind of mistake, but one wing only ensures you can't fly. I'd ask for an LA tonedown there.


Also, have you considered that, seeing as you play with grown ups, your friend wants to cause a good impression and he fears you'd ruin said impression? That might be it.

Tengu
2007-11-17, 02:39 PM
Good that the thread in back on tracks.



Also, have you considered that, seeing as you play with grown ups, your friend wants to cause a good impression and he fears you'd ruin said impression? That might be it.

That might be the reason, but it is in no way justified. It's like trying to appear mature by smoking, drinking and swearing.

Anyway, to the OP - I am afraid that this character is "a bit" cliche, and would make almost everyone twitch. However, the solution to your problem is very easy - contact one of the people in your group by your own, don't be dependant on your "friend" when it comes to the connection to the group! And talk with the DM about the character, see if he will allow it or not. Don't be a pain to him if he doesn't, and instead play a more ordinary one - this way you will show yourself to actually be more mature than your friend.

Temp
2007-11-17, 02:54 PM
Please understand I don't mean any offense, but I can definitely empathize with this group:

They invite one kid (your pal) to play with them, the kid turns out to be okay; the game continues.

One day, this kid brings his friend along. His friend builds a farcically immature game-altering character and expects to fit in with the group. The friend is ten years younger than everyone else and is acting it.

The group, not wanting to directly tell the newbie that they don't enjoy gaming with him, simply stop inviting him. He finds that they're still playing and becomes irrationally upset (he doesn't even have time to play in their game).

So yes, you probably should just look at finding/making a new group of [probably younger] gamers who are okay with your gaming style.

Idea Man
2007-11-17, 06:32 PM
If you really want to go to these meetings, get the DM and/or the host to let you know when the meetings are. It can't be that big of an imposition for them. If it's long-distance, like it sounds, ask for their numbers, so you can call them directly. Really, if your best friend is giving you the runaround, go to the people in charge. If nobody wants you there, they should say so, not just string you along.

Woot Spitum
2007-11-17, 07:30 PM
A character that is a cross between Cloud and Sephiroth is not going to be taken seriously by gamers over a certain age. It's almost as bad as naming your character "Boba Fett." If you can, ask your friend about the characters being played in the game to get an idea of what kind of characters they want in the game. Sometimes you have to design characters that fit into the party, otherwise you end up looking ridiculus.

Dean Fellithor
2007-11-17, 09:24 PM
its a Higher level game, its my first High level game, ever, I'm trying to make a character that would fit in but seems not to (in-game) fit in, constantly causing argumants with the rest of the Party(in-game) because he cant get over with his emotional problems (due to the fact he is, or at least he thinks he is, the sole survivor of his planet(the planet being like every other D'n'D world, lots of species.)), I want him to stink of Cloud, because cloud has had his world destroyed(Memory-wise), I also thought that if I asked the DM nicely enough the non-damaged wing could be used to propel my character just a little bit further while running or Jumping.

Woot Spitum
2007-11-17, 09:30 PM
Constantly causing arguments with the rest of the party in-game? There's your problem. Characters that cause arguments are no fun for everyone else that has to play with them.

VerdugoExplode
2007-11-17, 10:15 PM
I'm sorry to say this, but I think you may be at fault in this whole thing. Your character seems to exist solely to either take the spotlight away from anyone else and annoy them at the same time. I recommend you find a group of like minded individuals or alter your playing style as your current attitude might leave a lot to be desired. Making a final fantasy-esque character is tantamount to a drizz't clone, something that will give you a stigma you'll have a difficult time removing.

Ted_Stryker
2007-11-17, 10:34 PM
Constantly causing arguments with the rest of the party in-game? There's your problem. Characters that cause arguments are no fun for everyone else that has to play with them.
Yeah, I think I agree with this. I don't know anything about Final Fantasy, but if a character is a constant source of intra-party conflict, that's almost certainly going to carry over into real life, with bad results. Playing such a tormented character is going to be tricky to pull off, especially if the other players and DM aren't interested in going in that direction. However, if you speak with the DM, let him know about your vision for your PC, and then let those aspects of the character fade into the background a bit until the DM has a chance to work them into his plots, it might work out, at least better than it seems to have so far.

Dean Fellithor
2007-11-17, 11:54 PM
I'm sorry to say this, but I think you may be at fault in this whole thing. Your character seems to exist solely to either take the spotlight away from anyone else and annoy them at the same time. I recommend you find a group of like minded individuals or alter your playing style as your current attitude might leave a lot to be desired. Making a final fantasy-esque character is tantamount to a drizz't clone, something that will give you a stigma you'll have a difficult time removing.

1) Its not my fault that you have been viewing the world through a straw.

2) if these guys were real D'n'D players then they would understand what I'm trying to pull off with my character.

3) Drizz't sucks, my Character is no meer clone of Cloud, its an infusion of both I and cloud, but it seems to lean towards cloud because of his appearance.

4) if there was a room full of weapons and I could weild any one of them succesfully (i.e. lifting it and killing all enemies before the can get to me.), I would pick the Buster Sword, because I could.

5) my friend hasnt made many good characters, his current character is a anti-social Hippie for gods-sakes! He is only planting trees out of his own greed to out live everone else (if you think that is good than you are crazy, its dumb, a joke that he made up. D'n'D is not about jokes!).

6) ???

7) PROFIT!

Green Bean
2007-11-18, 12:00 AM
5) my friend hasnt made many good characters, his current character is a anti-social Hippie for gods-sakes! He is only planting trees out of his own greed to out live everone else (if you think that is good than you are crazy, its dumb, a joke that he made up. D'n'D is not about jokes!).


Darn. There goes my idea to run a Discworld campaign. :smallfrown:

Matthew
2007-11-18, 12:04 AM
Troll versus Matthew, FIGHT!

VerdugoExplode
2007-11-18, 12:04 AM
Suddenly the reason you may have been ousted has become surprisingly clear. People do not, and should not have to bend over backwards to make one person happy when it would be so much easier for everyone to simply forget to invite them again. People can get tired of characters obviously and blatantly taken from something else, and while I was only using Drizz't as a comparison the same holds true for any final fantasy characters.

Also, if you wanted to kill enemies before they could reach you I would recommend a bow over a comically over sized sword. For a final, verbal, coup de grace I must say that while you obviously angered at your friends inability to play a serious character, especially given the level of irony in that statement, he apparently was asked to come back to play again.

Crow
2007-11-18, 12:04 AM
1) Its not my fault that you have been viewing the world through a straw.

2) if these guys were real D'n'D players then they would understand what I'm trying to pull off with my character.

3) Drizz't sucks, my Character is no meer clone of Cloud, its an infusion of both I and cloud, but it seems to lean towards cloud because of his appearance.

4) if there was a room full of weapons and I could weild any one of them succesfully (i.e. lifting it and killing all enemies before the can get to me.), I would pick the Buster Sword, because I could.

5) my friend hasnt made many good characters, his current character is a anti-social Hippie for gods-sakes! He is only planting trees out of his own greed to out live everone else (if you think that is good than you are crazy, its dumb, a joke that he made up. D'n'D is not about jokes!).

6) ???

7) PROFIT!

Dude, I hope your post was an attempt at sarcasm, because otherwise it represents a perfect example of why these guys aren't playing with you.

Edit: Have you ever considered playing your attention grabber as the quiet type. Maybe he only wallows in his own self-pity when somebody asks him about it because he tries to put it out of his thoughts, and not think about it everyday. Maybe instead of just losing the one wing, he lost them both as some sort of punishment (no doubt for complaining too much)?

Temp
2007-11-18, 12:07 AM
Stuff...D'n'D is not about jokes!...More stuff...Yet your character is an absolute laugh.

An "infusion of Cloud and yourself"? It's a Drizzt clone, pure and simple: a fanboy's chance to flaunt his inner self-centered mope.

"Viewing the world through a straw"? The factor limiting our view of the conflict is your description of the group's actions. And even your self-righteous perception of the situation, it's apparent that the group was put-out by your immature behaviours and your show-stealing anime rip-off character.

Just shake it off and grow up.

Raum
2007-11-18, 12:08 AM
Troll versus Matthew, FIGHT!Hehe, methinks Matthew is looking to observe, or possibly participate in, some carnage tonight. :smallcool:

OOTS_Rules.
2007-11-18, 12:10 AM
I'm sorry, but you seem to be disrupting the group. Your character seems a lot like a clone of Cloud, with the 5-foot sword, destroyed life, and one wing being ripped directly out of Final Fantasy. Causing arguments in character, though possibly part of your character, ruins the fun of it. If your friend's hippie makes the group laugh and have fun, it is better than CloudClone McDrama that you seem to have going on. DND is a GAME, not a movie. If your friends don't like RP-heavy characters or Final Fantasy clones, than I reccomend you A: Adapt or B: Switch groups. Mabye the Final Fantasy MMORPG is better for you than DND.

Dean Fellithor
2007-11-18, 12:11 AM
Also, if you wanted to kill enemies before they could reach you I would recommend a bow over a comically over sized sword.

Oh great, I do that and all of a sudden "LEGOLAS RIP-OFF!"


...Yet your character is an absolute laugh.

An "infusion of Cloud and yourself"? It's a Drizzt clone, pure and simple: a fanboy's chance to flaunt his inner self-centered mope.

"Viewing the world through a straw"? That straw is your description of the group's actions and your own. And even your self-righteous perception of the situation, it's apparent that the group was put-out by your show-stealing anime rip-off.

Its not the group, its the single guy, get your facts straight.


...Yet your character is an absolute laugh.

An "infusion of Cloud and yourself"? It's a Drizzt clone, pure and simple: a fanboy's chance to flaunt his inner self-centered mope.

Cloud is a loner, I'm a loner, thats how it is: I hate playing with a in-game party of Joke characters and simply want to play a character who has an over-sized sword! I mean D'n'D does have monkey-grip which allows me to weild a "Comicly big weapon".

ZekeArgo
2007-11-18, 12:11 AM
Damn, this thread is getting pretty bad. On some other sites I'd be awaiting one hell of a flamewar, but I don't think thats needed here. Fairly sure we all know what the problem is now, and thats been pointed out a few times.

Nothing to see here, I suppose.

OOTS_Rules.
2007-11-18, 12:13 AM
Oh great, I do that and all of a sudden "LEGOLAS RIP-OFF!"

No, millions of people use a bow. You wouldn't be a Legolas rip-off. Now, if you were a gender-neutral elf who travelled with a human knight, dwarf knight, two halfling rogues, and a human wizard on a quest to destroy the Seventh Necklace, then you would be a Legolas rip-off

TheSteelRat
2007-11-18, 12:15 AM
Yeah, given that it's your first game, don't make much of a back-story unless asked to and approved by the DM, though you can make a "personality" for them (sum it up in a single, grammatically correct, sentence or two). Get used to how other people in the group play, and then adapt to that if you enjoy it. Play it for laughs.

Ralfarius
2007-11-18, 12:16 AM
D&D is so very much about jokes. Just as much as it is about fleshed-out characters whom grow as they go about their adventures, or dungeon crawling, or tales of epic conflict, or creating impressively optimized characters.

In short, D&D is about what the group makes it. If a group is about laughs and the like, then that game will be rife with chuckles. If 5 out of 6 members like one play style, and the 6th doesn't... I'm afraid those other 5 have the majority. There's always the possibility of compromise, but the odd-person-out has to realize that they may have to make the concessions if they are going to fit in with the rest of the group. Either that, or find a group better suited to their tastes.

Dean Fellithor
2007-11-18, 12:30 AM
Also, if you wanted to kill enemies before they could reach you I would recommend a bow over a comically over sized sword.

Oh great, I do that and all of a sudden "LEGOLAS RIP-OFF!"


...Yet your character is an absolute laugh.

An "infusion of Cloud and yourself"? It's a Drizzt clone, pure and simple: a fanboy's chance to flaunt his inner self-centered mope.

"Viewing the world through a straw"? That straw is your description of the group's actions and your own. And even your self-righteous perception of the situation, it's apparent that the group was put-out by your show-stealing anime rip-off.

Its not the group, its the single guy, get your facts straight.


...Yet your character is an absolute laugh.

An "infusion of Cloud and yourself"? It's a Drizzt clone, pure and simple: a fanboy's chance to flaunt his inner self-centered mope.

Cloud is a loner, I'm a loner, thats how it is: I hate playing with a in-game party of Joke characters and simply want to play a character who has an over-sized sword! I mean D'n'D does have monkey-grip which allows me to weild a "Comicly big weapon".


Yeah, given that it's your first game, don't make much of a back-story unless asked to and approved by the DM, though you can make a "personality" for them (sum it up in a single, grammatically correct, sentence or two). Get used to how other people in the group play, and then adapt to that if you enjoy it. Play it for laughs.

This is my first High level game, because no DM in the group can take the pressure of a long-lasting game.

Temp
2007-11-18, 12:33 AM
Its not the group, its the single guy, get your facts straight.Yet your friend is the only one of them capable of calling you? Do the others not have telephones?

Or might there be a chance that they aren't actually trying?


Cloud is a loner, I'm a loner, thats how it is: I hate playing with a in-game party of Joke characters and simply want to play a character who has an over-sized sword! I mean D'n'D does have monkey-grip which allows me to weild a "Comicly big weapon".You want to play a game-altering last survivor of an alien race who wallows in the tragedy of the destruction of all he knows, yes?

...One who blatantly pays tribute to FF's Cloud, the embodiment of cliche-anime-fanboy-ism?

A deep intelligent character this does not appear to be.

VerdugoExplode
2007-11-18, 12:35 AM
Uh, if you're a loner then why are you adventuring with a group? Just asking. Also if the rest of the group wants to make a bunch of "joke" characters as you describe them, irony notwithstanding, they're going to do it regardless of your feelings just as you feel the need to come up almost hilariously stereotypical characters.

TheSteelRat
2007-11-18, 12:37 AM
Honestly, OP, you sound a "tad" aggressive for someone who's not causing the problem here.

Let's take a breather, and see if we can figure some things out.

1. Everyone else is playing "Joke" characters? They're not taking it seriously? Well, maybe they play D&D for fun, and like to mess around a bit in a fantasy world with odd characters. That's not a bad thing. It's just a style of playing that (many) people enjoy. Is it the entire group, or just the one guy who does that? If everyone else is 'serious' about it, then I can see you having a point there.

2. If you hate your in-game party, that's kind of a problem. If you're being "serious" about your character, why the heck are you with a bunch of people you hate? Roleplaying issue. Might want to scratch this character and come back with someone who fits into the group better if your DM would allow at this stage of the game.

3. Your character is a clone, and clones are generally looked down upon as "fanboyism." You aren't going to be taken seriously if you have anything that resembles a clone. Now, using a bow isn't Legolas, but I'd stay away from dual-wielding scimitars.

4. You seem to not like or think highly of the people you play with. That can be an issue. It's a people-game, not a paper-game. At least, that's how I'm getting from your comments on the other's characters & play-style. "Can't take the pressure" to you might be "I wanna play around and have fun with Mr. I'll be Dead By Next Session, But I'll Go Out Cool."

Edit:
Yeah, the more I re-read this thread, OP, it looks like you've just got a case of rejected character concept. It happens. Next time, check with your DM as to what style of play everyone has, and see what type of backstory you can work out with them. It's more fun when the DM is working with you, not against you as it seems to be. In a group, a "stand alone" type isn't good. Your backstory might even conflict with the cosmology of the gaming universe as it is. There's nothing wrong with playing a Half-Celestial with a big honkin' sword, but it's another thing entirely to derail a game constantly and kill everyone's buzz.

Dean Fellithor
2007-11-18, 12:52 AM
Yet your friend is the only one of them capable of calling you? Do the others not have telephones?

Or might there be a chance that they aren't actually trying?

The others have jobs and/or families to attend to, plus whomevers DMing has to be working on the game, so the arrangement is that my friend is to call me.

One of the guys in the group studies so hard he forgets his name so He writes it down so he doesn't forget it, so It'd be worthless to give him my Phone-number.

One guy has a wife and kid whom he often leaves early from D'n'D to tend to, he has a job the keeps him busy and he is in a Medieval re-enactment group.

One guy kinda runs the Re-enactment group, or at least his small clan of it, has a Job, runs 80% of the Roleplaying games and has 2 childeren and a Wife, his wife works on the night we play so he has to keep the kids occupied, away from the swearing and rude jokes of ours and after a while tries to keep them in bed.

One guy is just so evil that he scares the hell out of me...

my "Friend" is in the re-enactment group but he only does anything to do with it on Sunday, he goes to school with me, never studies and was supposed to do a part in a play but he said the play was stupid and quit leaving the part for some one to do.

Me, the guy who studies as hard as hell, rehearses lines for Drama, got his "friends" part dumped on him, has constant troubles with people at school because they aren't smart enough to keep up, is trying to find a job for over the holidays, makes comics for the Oots: Avatar Battle Royale, cleans the dishes, mows the lawn and is trying to get a few things back on track in life that are not really the best thing to mention here.

I'm the 4th most busy guy in the group, cut me some goddamn slack.

Kjata
2007-11-18, 12:59 AM
Where are the billy goats gruff when you need them?

Dean Fellithor
2007-11-18, 01:04 AM
Where are the billy goats gruff when you need them?

my good friend Troy ate them when we went hunting, we were out there for days...:tongue:

ZekeArgo
2007-11-18, 01:06 AM
The others have jobs and/or families to attend to, plus whomevers DMing has to be working on the game, so the arrangement is that my friend is to call me.

One of the guys in the group studies so hard he forgets his name so He writes it down so he doesn't forget it, so It'd be worthless to give him my Phone-number.

He studies so he has a bad memory? Sense... where is it...?


One guy has a wife and kid whom he often leaves early from D'n'D to tend to, he has a job the keeps him busy and he is in a Medieval re-enactment group.

One guy kinda runs the Re-enactment group, or at least his small clan of it, has a Job, runs 80% of the Roleplaying games and has 2 childeren and a Wife, his wife works on the night we play so he has to keep the kids occupied, away from the swearing and rude jokes of ours and after a while tries to keep them in bed.

One guy is just so evil that he scares the hell out of me...

my "Friend" is in the re-enactment group but he only does anything to do with it on Sunday, he goes to school with me, never studies and was supposed to do a part in a play but he said the play was stupid and quit leaving the part for some one to do.

So these are all people who you either don't like or are far too old for you to normally deal with, but you want to play with them anyway?


Me, the guy who studies as hard as hell, rehearses lines for Drama, got his "friends" part dumped on him, has constant troubles with people at school because they aren't smart enough to keep up, is trying to find a job for over the holidays, makes comics for the Oots: Avatar Battle Royale, cleans the dishes, mows the lawn and is trying to get a few things back on track in life that are not really the best thing to mention here.

I'm the 4th most busy guy in the group, cut me some goddamn slack.

Ah teen angst, nothing like it. "Not smart enough to keep up" is damn presumptious and self important of you, and frankly chores and a webcomic are nothing to complain about.

The facts seem to be fairly in order here about why he doesn't want you around.

Matthew
2007-11-18, 01:07 AM
Troll versus Billy Goats Gruff, FIGHT!

Okay, I'm joking (but that would be an awesome PBP Duel).

Dean, I know it seems like you are being attacked here, but let's try and all calm down a bit. We all understand that you want to play the character you made and it's frustrating that things aren't going well and your friend is making it difficut to attend the sessions, but you need to have an honest talk with the other members of the group. This isn't a problem that an Internet Forum can solve or even really understand without being in your shoes.

VerdugoExplode
2007-11-18, 01:21 AM
You might be able to find another D&D group at your local Hot Topic. Home of all the oppressed adolescent youth who feel that the world doesn't understand the depth and complexity of the average teenage soul, tormented by the twin demons of homework AND chores, surely your life is fraught with misery and woe. If you continue to feel this way I recommend you summarize your feelings in poem form so that you can better express your disgust with the rest of humanity and how they are constantly keeping you down or infuriating you with their inability to match your razor sharp wit. This should solve all your problems.

Raistlin1040
2007-11-18, 01:29 AM
Where do I start?

First off, what the heck are you thinking with a loner? D&D is about teamwork and cooperation. There's absolutly no place for showoffs, devil's advocate's, or any other kind of character more suited to a crappy Hollywood movie than a D&D session. It's the single most important rule of D&D: Be a team player! Seriously, games are much smoother and more fun if everyone pitches in.

Second, you need to admit that it's at least partially your fault. You're making a character that at least closely resembles FF characters. I know it's hard not to want to make a character like another. My first character ever was a CG Drow Ranger named Drake Dau'gaert. He dual weilded longswords (more damage than scimitars :smallwink: ). But come up with your own ideas. Or, if you don't think you can, a generic* character is actually better than a ripoff.

Third, don't criticize your "friend's" characters. Regardless of what you may think, D&D is all about jokes. It's not a board game or a game of checkers, it's a social gathering. I know that sounds a bit weird considering the nerdy people who play it but it's true. A typical D&D session will be littered with *wink wink nudge nudge*, nerdy gaming referances, obscure sci fi movie quotes, and arguments over who's coughing up pizza money. That's just how it is. And considering what you've told us, I'd say his character, stupid or silly as he may be, fits in better with a party.

Consider a party with four characters. A wizard, a cleric, a rogue, and a fighter. A standard 4-man party. But let's say that they all want to be a bigshot here. So they are fighting a dragon OK? The fighter lunges at the dragon without buffs from the wizard and cleric. Without any buffs, he misses his attack, and is knocked back by the dragon. The rogue sneaks behind the dragon, but without the fighter's help, he can neither flank nor sneak attack the dragon. He attacks, and hits, but doesn't do much damage. The dragon breaths fire on the cleric and wizard. The cleric makes his reflex save and takes half damage. The wizard fails his, and almost dies from the damage. The cleric heals himself, instead of the fragile wizard, and then quaffs a potion to max out his health. The wizard casts a mighty fireball at the dragon, who's spell resistance negates the attack. The fighter and rogue are still in the blast radius and the fighter takes damage.

Obviously that's an overdramatized view, but the principle is true. Had the party prepared with buffs, used more effective, less flashy spells, and overall, just worked better as a team, they might have succeeded in slaying the dragon.

Now this is going to make you scratch your head at first, but trust me. You don't need to be fancy. You don't even need to be memorable. A fighter who smiles a lot and is quiet but friendly to his teammates and does his job well is 10X better than a flashy 1-winged half-angel with a loner mentality and who causes party conflict. It might seem less interesting to you, but it can be just as fun to roleplay, and just as fun to develop, and infiniatly more fun for you as a player when dealing with your other players. Nobody likes a showoff, but almost everyone likes a team player.

If you take my advice, and your group or friend or whoever still doesn't want to play with you, leave. Find another group in your area, or play here in a Pbp.

*By Generic I mean a regular human fighter, an elven wizard, a half-orc barbarian ect.

Dervag
2007-11-18, 01:32 AM
Nobody who hates anime is worth being friends with - not only because anime is awesome, but because people who hate others for their tastes are small, narrow-minded idiots. I can dislike Harry Potter, but I won't pick on someone who does like the books - in fact, many of my friends do find them enjoyable.The thing is, if someone is so much a fan of the books that they can't stop talking about them and constantly bring them up in a D&D context, it gets annoying. Likewise for anime.

However, the utterly overwhelming majority of anime fans aren't like that, and if you aren't like that the DM has no just cause for banning you because of your approval of anime. On the other hand, if you are constantly bringing up anime in the game, it is a problem, because it messes with the fourth wall.


The character has trouble developing because his planet, his life and his loved ones are all worse off than Dead, his wing is giving him constant pan and he is in a world full of mostly (Sentient) undead beings (Undead, not Un-people), the living that are there are most likely going to be Necromancers and Corpse loving Emos, of course he is going to want to be alone, but he stays with group for the sake of getting out of this world before the Immortals come to cart his butt away because he is supposed to have died with the rest of his planets inhabitants.Here's the problem with this, as I see it.

It is a common fallacy to think of a D&D campaign as a story with a main character, like most novels. Many people do this; it is by no means unusual. When that happens, the player tends to overdevelop their character- just as a character in a novel may have many pages of background exposition, so does this PC. The PC's background will typically be made 'unique' in that the PC is an exception to many rules and is abnormal in many ways.

Moreover, as would be normal and appropriate in the novel, the PC's background is made to have foreshadowing of future events- events that logically must happen, not events that hypothetically could happen.

The problem with all this is that the model of campaign-as-story with my-PC-as-protagonist is flawed. There are several players, all equal, and therefore several PCs, normally also all equal. And in addition to the players there is a DM responsible for making sure that the universe the PCs move in makes sense and provides them with exciting and fun things to do.

Each of the players has as much right to the spotlight as any of the others. And if your character has a big, elaborate background and is the exception to many rules, your DM will have trouble working him into the setting as a whole. That's hard on the DM and annoying to the players.

Moreover, the players don't know your background story, nor do the NPCs. If you try to read them your background story they will likely be bored; most people aren't professional writers and have trouble writing passages that will interest people who don't have some preexisting reason to care about the subject. If you don't, they don't know any of this interesting stuff about your character, so they don't know why he acts the way he acts. If they were running secondary characters in a novel, they would feel compelled to draw your character out, giving opportunities for background exposition. But instead they are running characters co-equal with your own. So if your character is an antisocial loner tormented by his past, they aren't going to care why he's an antisocial loner. They're just going to think he's a jerk and leave it at that.

So when you create a character with an improbably huge sword that folds out into all kinds of huge weapons, who has an elaborate and complicated background story that is hard for the DM to fit into the campaign, and who wants to be left alone and not talked to... the players and DM are going to think that the character is a jerk, and that by extension you are a jerk. And even though it's really a misunderstanding, they're not going to take the time to figure it out because they aren't normally your friends. If, as others say, you're in your teens, they probably think of you as being just another kid who makes up elaborate characters and then expects the entire game universe to revolve around him. That doesn't mean they're right, but they have a reason to believe that inside their own heads.


its a Higher level game, its my first High level game, ever, I'm trying to make a character that would fit in but seems not to (in-game) fit in,But the character should fit in in-game. That's the point. The other players don't want to waste time and energy role-playing arguments with your character or convincing your character to do things. If they wanted to play secondary characters in a novel with your character as the protagonist they'd love that idea; but they probably don't.

Imagine that you're invited to a party and you want to convince the people at the party that you're worth inviting back. You're not going to run around getting into arguments with people and expecting them to express admiration for you and getting angry at them when they don't. They won't react by saying "Wow, what an interesting person." They will react by thinking you're a loon.

Likewise, the DM wants your character to fit into the universe. For example, if the entire game has taken place in the kingdoms of A, B, C, and D, he probably wants your character to be from one of those four kingdoms, and not from a distant planet or a continent across the sea. He doesn't want to develop those distant lands, because he isn't planning on bringing the party to them, and because he doesn't want to have to play an endless series of NPCs asking "So you're from Ploor? Where's that?"

It is not normally desirable for any PC to have an origin outside the established world of the campaign setting. Note that 'world' doesn't mean 'planet'. It may only mean one small province, or it may mean two different continents, or it may mean five planets, or it may mean an entire infinitely large plane of existence. But however large it is, the DM and players will want it to be self-contained because otherwise it increases the number of places and names they have to remember.


constantly causing argumants with the rest of the Party(in-game) because he cant get over with his emotional problems (due to the fact he is, or at least he thinks he is, the sole survivor of his planet(the planet being like every other D'n'D world, lots of species.))Again, nobody wants to roleplay those arguments. It takes time that the other players and the DM would rather be spending on something else, like fighting monsters, and it causes frustration.


, I want him to stink of Cloud, because cloud has had his world destroyed(Memory-wise)There's another issue. Whenever your first thought in creating a character is "I want him to be like X," you're likely to have problems. If the other players are familiar with character X, they'll think "this is an X ripoff, why can't this guy invent his own character like everybody else?" If they aren't familiar with character X, they won't feel any increased sympathy for or understanding of the character because of his similarity to X. So they'll be wondering "This character is a jerk; I don't like his catchphrases; he seems to be expecting us to act in ways that I, for one, have no intention of making my character act. Why can't this guy invent a character who plays well with others?"


I also thought that if I asked the DM nicely enough the non-damaged wing could be used to propel my character just a little bit further while running or Jumping.In and of itself, I doubt that would have been a problem, as long as your character pays for that ability in terms of Level Adjustment (if it's powerful enough).


1) Its not my fault that you have been viewing the world through a straw.

2) if these guys were real D'n'D players then they would understand what I'm trying to pull off with my character.How do you know that it is you who truly understands D&D while all these other people, many of whom have been doing it longer than you, do not?

Again, the problem here is not that there is something wrong with you, only that you are doing a thing that appears reasonable to you but does not appear reasonable from the point of view of other people. Since those other people have just as much right to have fun as you, they are under no obligation to keep inviting you over if you're spoiling their fun.


3) Drizz't sucks, my Character is no meer clone of Cloud, its an infusion of both I and cloud, but it seems to lean towards cloud because of his appearance.Building any character who strongly resembles oneself is another recipe for trouble, because it will fool other players and the DM into thinking you aren't really roleplaying even when you are.


5) my friend hasnt made many good characters, his current character is a anti-social Hippie for gods-sakes! He is only planting trees out of his own greed to out live everone else (if you think that is good than you are crazy, its dumb, a joke that he made up. D'n'D is not about jokes!).Says who? There are lots of D&D players who play joke campaigns, or serious campaigns with lots of jokes stuck in, and who have a great time.


6) ???
7) PROFIT!In the red, my friend, in the red.


Its not the group, its the single guy, get your facts straight.If the rest of the group gets along with the single guy, then they probably like his play style. Perhaps they think of him as "the funny kid" while thinking of you as the "self-centered kid." And remember, a lot of people in their twenties and up will think of teenagers as kids, whether or not they should.


Cloud is a loner, I'm a loner, thats how it is:If you're a loner who can't roleplay a non-loner, other players aren't going to have fun playing with you. Your character isn't talking to them or interacting with them when they try to do things, and then gets into arguments and fights with them when you try to do things. So sometimes your character isn't any fun for them because he's brooding in the corner, and sometimes your character is less than no fun for them because he's getting mad at them or arguing with them.


I hate playing with a in-game party of Joke characters...And if they want to play a party of joke characters, that's their right, and neither you nor they should feel obliged to bring in a character who isn't a joke.


and simply want to play a character who has an over-sized sword! I mean D'n'D does have monkey-grip which allows me to weild a "Comicly big weapon".I don't think that would be the problem by itself. The problem comes more from the character's personality, which appears to be getting in the way of the other players' fun, than from his fighting style. Although if he's got a sword that's supposed to fold out into lots of other weapons and other neat stuff like that, it may be so exaggerated that the other players just can't believe in the character. Swords that unfold aren't very believable.


Oh great, I do that and all of a sudden "LEGOLAS RIP-OFF!"

Its not the group, its the single guy, get your facts straight.

Cloud is a loner, I'm a loner, thats how it is: I hate playing with a in-game party of Joke characters and simply want to play a character who has an over-sized sword! I mean D'n'D does have monkey-grip which allows me to weild a "Comicly big weapon".Err... you do realize that you just repeated your last post.


Me, the guy who studies as hard as hell, rehearses lines for Drama, got his "friends" part dumped on him, has constant troubles with people at school because they aren't smart enough to keep up, is trying to find a job for over the holidays, makes comics for the Oots: Avatar Battle Royale, cleans the dishes, mows the lawn and is trying to get a few things back on track in life that are not really the best thing to mention here.

I'm the 4th most busy guy in the group, cut me some goddamn slack.Who's condemning you for being busy?

On a side note, very few people are truly stupid. Most people are merely motivated by concerns you don't understand immediately, or have different interests from yours and aren't interested in "keeping up" with you in your subject of interest. For example, I study physics. I know more physics than almost anyone I've ever met outside of a physics department- I can think of two exceptions off the top of my head. And I don't expect other people to 'keep up' with my knowledge of physics. I don't expect them to understand quantum mechanics, or even to try. If they ask, I'll explain it to them as best I can, but even then I don't blame them for not understanding- it's bloody confusing.

It wouldn't make sense for me to say that other people were "too stupid to keep up" with me in the areas where I am interested in doing things and they aren't. I'm not interested in football. I know way less about football than many other people. But because I don't care as much as they do. I'm not "too stupid to keep up" in football. Not because I'm too stupid to understand it; there are many people as intelligent as me or less intelligent than me who understand it.


You might be able to find another D&D group at your local Hot Topic. Home of all the oppressed adolescent youth who feel that the world doesn't understand the depth and complexity of the average teenage soul, tormented by the twin demons of homework AND chores, surely your life is fraught with misery and woe. If you continue to feel this way I recommend you summarize your feelings in poem form so that you can better express your disgust with the rest of humanity and how they are constantly keeping you down or infuriating you with their inability to match your razor sharp wit. This should solve all your problems.For chrissakes, give the guy a break. Even if you don't think his problems are serious, he does; at least do him the favor of taking him seriously until he refuses to return the favor.

KBF
2007-11-18, 02:11 AM
You know what? I was watching this web-toon the other day...
Gamer Tonight : MMO Gamer (http://www.gamertonight.net/playvideo.php?mode=full&id=7)

To not be the guy who posts a relevant link and leaves...
This seems like your character doesn't fit in. Yes, yes, you've heard, you don't believe it.

If they aren't playing 'true D&D' then play their game of DnD, don't be an insensitive jerk.
Jeez.
If your character is an 'infusion of Cloud and you', then that's twice as bad. A ripoff AND a mary sue! Congrats on being unoriginal.

Lastly, and the funniest part, your posting on here seems to be how you want to play you character.
Whenever anybody asks you anything about why this is happening... you give them backstory instead. It's pretty funny. :smalltongue:

Behold_the_Void
2007-11-18, 02:29 AM
Apologies if this comes off a bit harsh, this isn't me trying to be mean this is me laying it out for you as I see it from what you've said in this thread.

Honestly, I wouldn't want to play with you. Your character concept makes me groan just looking at it. I tend to play with players around my age group (early 20's) and I can already tell you that even at that age, we've been around the block enough to know that anybody who wants to play Cloud isn't going to game with us.

Character knockoffs are irritating and unoriginal, and many gamers I know look at a submission like that as an insult to our intelligence. Not even getting into the depth (or lack thereof) inherent in Cloud's character to begin with, Cloud is also abrasive, annoying and self-centered. In the world outside of Final Fantasy VII where all the other supporting characters can see the "MAIN CHARACTER" sign in big neon letters above his head, most people don't want to deal with that out of game, much less in game.

This isn't the group for you. They're playing an entirely different game from what you want to play. I highly suggest you let this go and find a new group that's OK with that (I will say here that it'll probably be a bit difficult. After people've been gaming for a few years they usually want some kind of originality in characters, not to mention an ability to get along with the party), or learn to play something a bit more standard.

I remember I wrote a guide on stuff like this for the roleplay forum I moderate at on anther site. It's still incomplete, but it might help you out.

Behold the Void's Guide to Effective Roleplaying. (http://forums.eyesonff.com/role-playing-threads/92917-behold-voids-guide-effective-roleplaying.html)

Pretty basic stuff, but there ya go.

Thinker
2007-11-18, 02:36 AM
Dean, your character is cliche and lame. It is unoriginal to the greatest extent and it seems like that's what you wanted. Claiming to be busy doesn't make people think more of you, no one cares. Claiming your friend is unoriginal compared to you when you ripped off FF7 does not make people think more of you, no one cares. Its alright to be angry, but you're acting like everyone else is the bad guy when you're at fault. If you ever think you're the smartest guy in the room, you probably aren't. Deal with life and move on. Contact the other people of the group if you want to play and quit acting like the world is out to get you.

Solo
2007-11-18, 02:40 AM
5) my friend hasnt made many good characters, his current character is a anti-social Hippie for gods-sakes! He is only planting trees out of his own greed to out live everone else (if you think that is good than you are crazy, its dumb, a joke that he made up. D'n'D is not about jokes!).

Are you by any chance familiar with a DnD based webcomic called "The Order of the Stick"?

ZekeArgo
2007-11-18, 03:26 AM
Are you by any chance familiar with a DnD based webcomic called "The Order of the Stick"?

Gotta say, /thread right there

Dragor
2007-11-18, 03:44 AM
I don't think this thread is going places. Dean, I'm your age and I can understand what you're going through. But some of the things you are doing (Avatar Battle Royale, for one) aren't a job, they're optional. Also, is it worth stressing over a game which is, at the base, about fun?

Take a breather, stop on ABR (no matter how funny it is :smalltongue: ) and then start to sort things out again.

On your character, I can see how he is almost 100% similar to Cloud. I'm not going to be outright insulting, but the whole point of D&D is using your imagination and being original.

Say, for example, you're emotionally troubled. Would you want to be going around bringing people down with you? I know I wouldn't. I've DM'd and played with characters who have had 'troubled pasts' and have brought them up constantly; he basically stole the spotlight and didn't let it off him. DM's and players find it hard to work with other characters like that (but that's generalized and entirely IMO, so don't hold me to that.)

D&D's fun, not a second job. Take a breather mate.

Tengu
2007-11-18, 06:08 AM
I must repeat myself, what have the other players apart from your friend and the DM said about your character? If they agreed to have it in the group, then you really should try contacting one of them in order to know when are the sessions - it's not something extremely hard. If they rejected the character, then, well, what others have said. If you want to play with that group, make someone who'd better fit in a group and won't be a complete ripoff of some other character.

OOTS_Rules.
2007-11-18, 09:43 AM
Now, if you want a funny character that your group will like and uses a big sword, make a character who had an oversized sword chained to his hands. The chains were put on because he was a prisoner from Kingdom X, and he wants revenge. Replace X with the evil kingdom in your DMs world, and constantly shout funny comments about the chain. "The chain! IT BURNS!!" and "AGH! My hands are chafing!"

Quincunx
2007-11-19, 11:16 AM
Now, if you want a funny character that your group will like and uses a big sword, make a character who had an oversized sword chained to his hands. The chains were put on because he was a prisoner from Kingdom X, and he wants revenge. Replace X with the evil kingdom in your DMs world, and constantly shout funny comments about the chain. "The chain! IT BURNS!!" and "AGH! My hands are chafing!"

Slightly modified to fit the generic D&D world:

"Remove the dagger of shame--"
"Woohoo!"
"--and attach the greatsword of TRIUMPH!"
"D'oh!"

Cross-breeding clichés is fun.

Freelance Henchman
2007-11-19, 11:33 AM
Now, if you want a funny character that your group will like and uses a big sword, make a character who had an oversized sword chained to his hands. The chains were put on because he was a prisoner from Kingdom X, and he wants revenge. Replace X with the evil kingdom in your DMs world, and constantly shout funny comments about the chain. "The chain! IT BURNS!!" and "AGH! My hands are chafing!"

Hehe. Now if the sword was sentient and could make snarky comments as well, this would be even better!

Leadfeathermcc
2007-11-19, 11:46 AM
When you get older, your best friend will keep even better things away from you if you anger her, this is even more true after you marry her.

As to your problem. Several people have given better advice than I could. Make a character that fits in with the group, and remember the point of the game is for everyone to have fun.

AKA_Bait
2007-11-19, 11:59 AM
Troll versus Billy Goats Gruff, FIGHT!

Okay, I'm joking (but that would be an awesome PBP Duel).

I'm thinking some sort of awakened paragon billygoat vs. a regular old troll. Thoughts?

Seriously though:

Dean, chill out. Grab a coke, sit in a comfy chair and take a few deep breaths. Everyone is not out to get you, but when you throw a fit people will react poorly to it. You are still young, but it's best to start learning some patience early.

We had this conversation about another thread on these very boards not that long ago. D&D is a collaborative game. The DM sets the world and then the players make characters that can work with eachother within it. Neither the players nor the DM just makes up whatever they feel like because what they choose is contingent upon making it fun for the rest of the group as well as themselves.

I don't care about your build or character concept. It doesn't matter. What does matter is recognizing that because the rest of the group prefers a more lighthearted game that you being in the minority need to adjust to them or find another game. Getting into arguments with them about it will only make it worse and is the most likley thing to get you tossed from a group that I can think of.

If you want to keep gaming with them here is what I suggest. Talk to your friend and apologize. Say you are sorry for getting into arguments in game all the time. Promise that you will make a character conducive to the group. If you aren't willing to do that, you need to find other people to play with and possibly, more importantly, a new friend since you sound darn close to losing this one.

DrummingDM
2007-11-19, 12:30 PM
...

One of the guys in the group studies so hard he forgets his name so He writes it down so he doesn't forget it, so It'd be worthless to give him my Phone-number.

One guy has a wife and kid whom he often leaves early from D'n'D to tend to, he has a job the keeps him busy and he is in a Medieval re-enactment group.

One guy kinda runs the Re-enactment group, or at least his small clan of it, has a Job, runs 80% of the Roleplaying games and has 2 childeren and a Wife, his wife works on the night we play so he has to keep the kids occupied, away from the swearing and rude jokes of ours and after a while tries to keep them in bed.

...

So, these older guys...they have lives, right? Responsibilities? Families? Things That Occupy Their Time, as it were? And you say they seem to endorse a more loose, humorous style of game? Bear with me here, because this might just sound a bit crazy, but it might just be that these guys see D&D as an escape, a hobby, something to do with like-minded individuals that is just plain fun.

Using that scenario, try this on for size:

Group of adult players, all with outside responsibilities finds the time to form a loose gaming group. They have fun. Things are goofy, casual, and provide a pleasant distraction from the Real World. Player A informs the group "Hey, this kid in my historical recreation group plays D&D, and needs a group to play with. He seems smart enough, and he's a good kid. I Vouch For Him."

Group collectively says, "Eh, what the heck. Give the kid a try."

Player B, or "the new kid", shows up to a gaming session. He's got a goofy character concept, it fits in, and the group has fun. After a couple sessions, Player B says "hey, I have this friend from school who wants to play, could I bring him with?"

Group collectively says, "Eh, the new kid's worked out. Sure. Bring your friend along."

Player C, or Player B's friend, shows up to a gaming session. He's got this BRILLIANT *#&$ING CONCEPT FOR A CHARACTER - HE'S JUST LIKE CLOUD FROM FFVII, AND HE'S THE LAST SURVIVOR OF A GLOBAL CATACLYSM THAT HAS LEFT HIM WOUNDED AND IN TERRIBLE PAIN AND HE HATES EVERYBODY, PLEASE LET ME PLAY HIM."

Group collectively sighs and says, "Oh crap. A Cloud clone. This ain't gonna work." Maybe the group allows TOTALLY AWESOME CLOUD CLONE to play with them a few times, but eventually they get fed up with it, and they tell Player B to let Player C know that it's not working out. The Group has decided TOTALLY AWESOME CLOUD CLONE is ruining the fun of their game, and chewing up valuable in-game time with his brooding emo antics. He's not welcome back.

Player B doesn't have it in his heart to tell Player C that he's not welcome anymore...so...he kinda...well...lies. After all, he never has to tell his friend that his character concept sucks and that he's disruptive to the group's playstyle if he dodges the question of when the next gaming session is!

Now, the above is pure hypothesis on my part...but I doubt I'm off the mark in this situation by much...

Keld Denar
2007-11-19, 12:38 PM
Dervag, you are wise beyond your years. Thats some good advice.

Dean, you seriously need to read some of the above comments and think pretty hard on them. Ignore some of the snarky ones, but really really consider the ones spoken with true intentions. They are giving advice that will not only help you get along in a D&D group, but will help you get along in life in general. It may be hard to accept, but these people are mostly only trying to help you.

If you really need to get your creative out with your character, try writing a short story, or a series of short stories, or even go for broke with a novel. Publish it online. I'm sure that there are tons of people out there who would enjoy reading a story about a brooding hero with a dark past. Its a perfectly flavorful protagonist. That said, it is not a very viable D&D character, for reasons that others have very expertly described. I wish you the best of luck, and hope some of the opinions posted here will help you open your eyes a bit. Best of luck and good gaming!

Epic_Wizard
2007-11-19, 02:06 PM
I apologize for not being able to read this entire thread but I really do not have time so any repeats of things that have been previously stated are unintentional. I did however read all of the posts by the thread author and a decent sampling of the other posts.

Really Dean Fellithor I see quite a bit of me from about four years ago in your posts. First I would caution you about assuming that other people who want your help/have questions/speak to you/criticize your ideas are idiots. I would also like to point out that NONE OF US is perfect and that the first place you should look for fault is yourself, the second is summed up by the following: Hanlon's Razor-"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." or in this case a perfectly understandable misunderstanding between a bunch of people who are all very busy.

I used to assume that a large portion of the world were idiots until I encountered a group of friends who I respected a great deal and who were willing to kick me in the ass and tell me I was being a biased, close minded, and somewhat anti-social idiot or just being plain inattentive and annoying.

I sounds to me that you should tell your friend, leave out the derogatory quotes, that you realized there is a problem that needs to be resolved, hinting that you think it is your fault would help too even if you don't think this, and that you want to get together with the group and work it out. Be willing to compromise especially on something like your character. Make sure that the type of campaign and expected RPing style is clearly defined among your group. If they want the type of campaign that contains a pie that inflicts Tasha's Hideous Laughter then either go with it, find another group, or see if you can come to a compromise.

Failing any of this I would suggest looking around on the internet for gaming groups. It is perfectly possible to game over AIM or some other instant messenger if you have an in-client random number generator that can simulate dice.

I hope you work out your problem and have fun gaming.

cupkeyk
2007-11-19, 03:14 PM
How amenable are you to changing your character concepts?

If your flavor does not match with the campaign's you will stick out like a sore thumb at best or ruin the game at worst. Really, Final Fantasy styled characters will look out of place in a medieval European setting.

Yami
2007-11-19, 04:10 PM
First off, @Dervag. I must concur with others and mention, well said, if not awesomely put. I do beleive that was handled well, rather than some of the first few posts which rather hostile.

Now, since immdeiate advice on the position as I understand it has already been relegaded into echoing better words, I'll focus on other area of gameplay. Now, everyone so far has talked about how loner type characters don't work, and how conflict is not good for the party. I would to try to explain how they can.

Conflict, often the pedecessor to a TPK, can actually be integrated into a party that has worked together before and knows how to handle it. I was runing a campaign when, tired with thier goody two shoes, or perhaps just the monkishness, the party wanted to switch gears and play an evil aligned party. After some discussion it was agreed that powergrabbing would be inevitable between them, and was made acceptable. The rouge made slight of hand checks when divying up the loot, often kills were quick stripped by the barbarian the moment the fight ended, and the cleric occasionally demanded payment for healings, and dead characters who didn't wish a revive had thier loot redistributed.

And at the worst, the cleric and barbarian got into an arguement over the cost of healing, (more a pride than money thing really, as the wizard offered to front up the cash) and the barb ended up entering the next fight half dead, and STILL tanked for the party until he died. He then brought in a sorcerer, and the party went on to take down a Dragon two CR levels above thiers. Conflict was an integral part of that game and it worked. But it worked because it was agreed upon.

As for loners, I often like these characters, and am currently playing a goblin 'loner'. a scout who ranges some 10-40 feet from the party at all times when because he cannot stand the slow moving armoured cleric. Many jokes are had. In combat all the loner has to do is asume that they are awesome, and as such the party needs them in the fray. Sure, my goblin ranges from the party, but he's a scout. I can charge 100 ft around a corner and rejoin the party like that. I spend my time hunting for coney's when we camp, but I take watch like everyone else. Heck, I want a ring of sustanance, and stay up for days (with accompanying penalties) because I don't trust them, but you still fill the role and it works.

A problem can occur when you try to tell everyone else how awesome you are and the game steps in. Granted, with a barbarian dip for pounce, said scout can one shot small monsters. Huzzah! Now, go out on your own and throw in an.. akrid was it? (some ant demon with DR Fast healing and a slew of attacks from some splat or another. CR 4 but a pain.) And the self-professed hero is forced to run fleeing back to the party because he needs the precious manna of life the cleric provides. And the flanking helped. Congrats to me, I have manged to turn Nifty Von Satibbity into the comic relief. (Meant to do by the way, as that's how this dm and I tend to work anyways. Appearantly I make for rather disturbing jesters though, but I digress.)

What this means is that the loner can shine as a beneficiary who expects no outside assistance to themselves. They classify themselves as a loner by keeping out of party politics ("I say we loot the temple!", "No, we search for the demon rifts!",) helping when the party needs it, and trying to be awesome in their role. But try to go lone wolf style loner, and I'm afraid that the game alone will have you back to rolling stats or relegaded to comic relief, depending on how soon you try to turn back for help.

Lasty there is the question of characters based off of others. there is a friend of ours, moved away now, who actually didn't like to roleplay. But he had Sunday off, and he enjoyed our company, so he came and he tried. Like I said, he didn't care about the game so all his characters were simple rip-offs of anime characters he liked. The easy solution we had. He gives someone else the idea, the general concept, and let them make it. In the end, he would choose the role he wanted, watch as the character unfolded, and occasional make comments and suggestions as the other players built it. The end result? He often played an import role in our campaigns, and had a few of the best characters I've DMed for, and honestly managed to outshine some of the people who knew the game. And this from a guy who didn't care for it.

Other options might be to change the flavor, or pick a more esoteric, less famous character. This was also done effecitively. I myself often need to make three to four characters just because I tend to powergame as much as I scew around and occasionally the DM and I don't see eye to eye. My scout? Meant to be a monkey-grip greatsword wielder in the vien of a much loved character I've rarely got to use. It wasn't in the dice though, so I went with TWP daggers, and a completely different build. And now I've come to love my little glass-cannon scout with his bitter rivalry with oaken doors, and who disguises himself as a redcap for kicks but gets depressed when no one in town recognizes his costume.

By the way, the above? Yeah, that's usually how you want to introduce a character, a small paragraph or a run-on sentance. Backstory is good, and in some games wins you exp or 'fat lewts', but often enough brevity is what you want to get the point acrosst. The rest you can reveal through gameplay. Trust me, I DM alot, and I appreciate a character who grows and reveals backstory to me in game more than one who starts out with a decent backstory but never uses it.

Dean Fellithor
2007-11-19, 05:07 PM
So, these older guys...they have lives, right? Responsibilities? Families? Things That Occupy Their Time, as it were? And you say they seem to endorse a more loose, humorous style of game? Bear with me here, because this might just sound a bit crazy, but it might just be that these guys see D&D as an escape, a hobby, something to do with like-minded individuals that is just plain fun.

Using that scenario, try this on for size:

Group of adult players, all with outside responsibilities finds the time to form a loose gaming group. They have fun. Things are goofy, casual, and provide a pleasant distraction from the Real World. Player A informs the group "Hey, this kid in my historical recreation group plays D&D, and needs a group to play with. He seems smart enough, and he's a good kid. I Vouch For Him."

Group collectively says, "Eh, what the heck. Give the kid a try."

Player B, or "the new kid", shows up to a gaming session. He's got a goofy character concept, it fits in, and the group has fun. After a couple sessions, Player B says "hey, I have this friend from school who wants to play, could I bring him with?"

Group collectively says, "Eh, the new kid's worked out. Sure. Bring your friend along."

Player C, or Player B's friend, shows up to a gaming session. He's got this BRILLIANT *#&$ING CONCEPT FOR A CHARACTER - HE'S JUST LIKE CLOUD FROM FFVII, AND HE'S THE LAST SURVIVOR OF A GLOBAL CATACLYSM THAT HAS LEFT HIM WOUNDED AND IN TERRIBLE PAIN AND HE HATES EVERYBODY, PLEASE LET ME PLAY HIM."

Group collectively sighs and says, "Oh crap. A Cloud clone. This ain't gonna work." Maybe the group allows TOTALLY AWESOME CLOUD CLONE to play with them a few times, but eventually they get fed up with it, and they tell Player B to let Player C know that it's not working out. The Group has decided TOTALLY AWESOME CLOUD CLONE is ruining the fun of their game, and chewing up valuable in-game time with his brooding emo antics. He's not welcome back.

Player B doesn't have it in his heart to tell Player C that he's not welcome anymore...so...he kinda...well...lies. After all, he never has to tell his friend that his character concept sucks and that he's disruptive to the group's playstyle if he dodges the question of when the next gaming session is!

Now, the above is pure hypothesis on my part...but I doubt I'm off the mark in this situation by much...

My Friend is related to a majority of them, the D'n'D group has been around for years, the Re-enactment group came this year, I have not talked to the rest of the group about the "Cloud clone" as you most distastefully call it, its not like I'm making the character have tons of small swords the make up the BIG sword, Its just a HUGE SWORD.:annoyed:

AKA_Bait
2007-11-19, 05:17 PM
My Friend is related to a majority of them, the D'n'D group has been around for years, the Re-enactment group came this year, I have not talked to the rest of the group about the "Cloud clone" as you most distastefully call it, its not like I'm making the character have tons of small swords the make up the BIG sword, Its just a HUGE SWORD.:annoyed:

Honestly, the merit of the character design is not the issue and you would be well served just to ignore the folks who are spending their time on this thread bashing it. I suspect it's more your level of being willing to adjust to the group. If the group or the DM don't want the character there then make another character for the game and write your own story, without needing to negotiate with other people, for it. They are not required to accept any particular character design in their game, particularly when that character keeps causing internal party conflicts and you should accept that. If you want to keep playing the game in some capacity you are simply going to need to accept that.

Dude, in your OP you referred to the person excluding you as your best friend. Don't let something as silly as D&D ruin your friendship. Find a way to resolve it amicably, even if you need to swallow a little pride in the process. Best friends are much harder to come by than gaming groups.

Tekraen
2007-11-19, 05:23 PM
I read this entire thread and still can't shake the feeling this was an elaborate ploy to coax us underneath the bridge with promises of candy and a good time.

AKA_Bait
2007-11-19, 05:26 PM
I read this entire thread and still can't shake the feeling this was an elaborate ploy to coax us underneath the bridge with promises of candy and a good time.

It's not. He's a real person. He has participated in other threads productivley.

Azerian Kelimon
2007-11-19, 05:27 PM
Since this thread is more or less finished, as we're repeating ourselves, perhaps it'd be best to use Godwin's law and it's corollaries:

You're a Nazi, we lose.


There. Thread should be done now.

The Linker
2007-11-19, 05:28 PM
Hmm, notice how he has ignored about 30 other posts including Dervag's post-of-the-year, attacked one, and left it at that.

I somehow don't think we're gonna get through to him.

Yami
2007-11-19, 05:32 PM
I just hope he manages to look past the harsher posts and come away from this thread with some of the value in it. If so I'll have to commend him for that. I've seen a few people let themselves get run off of boards in such debates.

Good luck resolving the issue.

Rolaran
2007-11-19, 05:40 PM
Dean, we are trying to help.

At this point, the primary guess is that the group felt that your character concept simply did not mesh with the game they wanted to play. If I were you, I would straight up ask the friend if this was the case. Even if it isn't, he will appreciate that you are trying to figure out what went wrong, and may help you fix whatever it was.

If it is indeed the character, I think it might be time to begin looking at different characters you can play. It seems that part of the appeal for you is playing the "loner" archetype; some have expressed that it is difficult to do so in a cooperative game like D&D. However, few archetypes are truly impossible. For example, I once designed a character with a high intelligence who was disdainful of less intelligent creatures. Any DM can see that making this the character's only trait is a recipe for disaster. However, he was also easily amused, and after seeing the party turn asking for directions into a ridiculously over-the-top tavern brawl, he joined the party in order to gain a front row seat for their misadventures. He didn't think very highly of them, but he wanted to see them remain alive, so he helped them out however he could. Because he cared what happened to the party, they accepted him as a de facto member of the group.

If your heart is set on playing the loner, try to give him another character trait, one that makes him easier to integrate. Personally, I'd go for this approach: the guy realizes that he's surrounded by fools, but he is loath to give up on a group that will let him stick around, so he grits his teeth and goes along with it. An occasional sarcastic quip serves to reinforce this characterization without making him impossible to deal with. You can use Roy from Order of the Stick as a convenient guide to playing this type of character.

As for the level of "jokiness" in the campaign, some campaigns have different levels of that. If this one is a little sillier than you would like, you can either attempt to find one that is less so, or look into another activity that engages this facet of yourself. Personally, I suggest you see if you can find anyone interested in philosophy and/or debating; it helps you express yourself better and opens your mind, and if you have the right temperament for it it can be very satisfying intellectually.

Sincerely,
Roland

Illiterate Scribe
2007-11-19, 06:12 PM
Since this thread is more or less finished, as we're repeating ourselves, perhaps it'd be best to use Godwin's law and it's corollaries:

You're a Nazi, we lose.


There. Thread should be done now.

I was thinking of deploying a C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER, but yeah, this is sufficient.

This thread, unless a cunning troll by Dean, can only end in tears.

Prepare for orbital bombardment.

Fhaolan
2007-11-19, 06:34 PM
My Friend is related to a majority of them, the D'n'D group has been around for years, the Re-enactment group came this year, I have not talked to the rest of the group about the "Cloud clone" as you most distastefully call it, its not like I'm making the character have tons of small swords the make up the BIG sword, Its just a HUGE SWORD.:annoyed:

The problem is, you're not just making a character with a huge sword. Doing so is trite, but not the problem. The problem is that you're making an angsty 'oh woe is me, my world's been destroyed and I'm in constant pain' character. Even without the sword, the character you've described is annoying, abrasive, argumentative, angsty, and many other words starting with a. And that's before we start with the 'b' words.

The sword is irrelevant. A strawman. It's the description you've given of the *rest* of the character that is setting off alarm bells in all the other forum-goers here. Having a comically large sword does *not* mean you need to have the personality of Angsty McAngst, the Dreary Dark Pain in the Ass with a DESTINY!

To be blunt, your 'friend' is probably avoiding you because he's embarassed by you. He appears to be trying to fit into a group of gamers far older than you both are. They've seen your kind before. They've *been* your kind before, and have gotten over it years ago. They probably made fun of your character when you weren't there, about it being a Cloud clone (whether or not that's a fair assessment), and your 'friend' is now reluctant to have you come back. Very likely, he thinks your character, and the way you acted during the game, is going to 'stain' him in some way that will make the group not want *him* back. And he wants to be accepted by these older people, enough that he's willing to leave you behind.

Which isn't exactly mature behaviour either, but hey, if I was wanting mature behaviour out of anyone, I wouldn't be reading forums. :smallbiggrin:

Solo
2007-11-19, 06:51 PM
Dean, to quote an ancient Chinese saying, "Sometimes, the best medicine tastes bitter. Sometimes, the best advice is that which you do not want to hear."

Considering the majority opinion is against you both in real life and on the forums, perhaps you should consider a little introspection, and make sure that you're not the one at fault?

shadow_archmagi
2007-11-19, 08:06 PM
I have a variety of points to make.

First: the cruel but true one: my sister runs a message-board based RPG. Once, as a sort of taunt, I submitted a horrific monstrosity char. (The traditional name for such things is Mary Sue). It was crammed full of all the most cliche and stupid ideas I could think of. It wasn't half as bad as yours.



Second: The irony. I'm currently involved in two D&D campaigns at once, with only one overlapping person, who is a good friend of mine. In one, I play a cynical, arrogant, snarky, would-be-loner-if-no-so-lazy mage. My character goal here was "Palpatine meets House." A character deliberatly designed to insult everyone. The end result is that I amuse myself thinking up creative insults, which are usually directed at the group's spare fighter. Everyone giggles, and we move on with little to no delay. No problem.

My other character is a gnome bard, who constantly bickers and argues with the rest of the party, simply because I disagree with them on the best course of actions. Even THIS never slows down the group, it just adds a bit of fun as we all lunge for the d20 to make bluff/intimidate attacks so the rest of the party agrees.


Third: About the anime thing. I don't see HOW it would affect your D&D sessions unless, you know, you had repeatedly brought it up. Hell, I don't like anime one bit, and my best friend loves the stuff. The trouble here is that I do believe you don't just "enjoy" it, you've taken it to the next level. You've become a fanboy. In the same way that Jehova's witnesses constantly try to convert people, or how Rob constantly talks about counterstrike, or a WoW player who now only speaks/writes in l33t...

You've let a hobby become a flaw. An obsession. As long as I'm going on with similies here, I'll just bring up Gollum.

Four: You said only your friend can contact you.

Bull. Everyone, at some point in their day, CAN find time to make a 2-3 minute phone call. Hell, you could make a topic about it on some message board, possibly even this one, and just post "Next game is Friday, at 4."

Xuincherguixe
2007-11-19, 10:22 PM
Well, this thread got real ugly.

In situations like this, diplomacy is important. If you get the person asking for advice on the defensive, chances are they aren't going to listen.

And it's never a good feeling when it seems like everyone is against you. If someone has made the point that you were going to, you don't need to say it again.

Give the guy a chance to learn something.


Everyone has to start with character concepts somewhere. Back when I started most of my characters were pretty stupid. Heck, a lot of them still are. But I'd like to think that they're at least less stupid.

If you're going to create a character that draws inspiration with another, it's best to not make it obvious. Well it's not very likely to annoy people if I made a character based on Odin, let's say I'm trying to do something that isn't about Odin. Rather than something obvious like an old man who has an eye patch that has a big spear and rides on an 8 wheeled motorcycle that's constantly getting drunk (mind you that is pretty badass). Maybe he just has a cybernetic eye that feeds him information. It still references giving up an eye for wisdom and left just like that people aren't too likely to figure it out.


Anywho, hope things work out.

Oh yeah, and the Final Fantasy MMORPG isn't that great :P (I wouldn't recommend it to anyone)

Crow
2007-11-19, 11:58 PM
Oh yeah, and the Final Fantasy MMORPG isn't that great :P (I wouldn't recommend it to anyone)

That doesn't stop our friend from preserving his virginity by playing it at every opprotunity.

=D

Dervag
2007-11-20, 12:41 AM
My Friend is related to a majority of them, the D'n'D group has been around for years, the Re-enactment group came this year, I have not talked to the rest of the group about the "Cloud clone" as you most distastefully call it, its not like I'm making the character have tons of small swords the make up the BIG sword, Its just a HUGE SWORD.:annoyed:Again, I don't think that would be the problem. Although members of a re-enactment group would likely consider a "HUGE sword" ridiculous, leading them to feel less respect for this hypothetical character concept that you have apparently not mentioned to them. However, most DMs are willing to accept a mechanical character design that has some nonsensical or strange features as long as the character fits into the group.

And that is where you have problems. What kind of character were you playing before? Was he an asocial loner too? Did you get into a lot of arguments, either with the players or with their characters in-game? Were you expecting more than a small fraction of the action to revolve directly around your character?

If the answer to any of those questions is "yes" or "well, maybe," then the problem is one of different expectations. You expected the D&D campaign to be like a novel about your character, as many people are wont to do. The other players didn't want to play secondary characters in 'your' story, so they didn't react to your character in the way you expected. Instead of sticking with your character even when he was annoying or argumentative or brooding, they may have just gotten annoyed, decided you were a bad player, and that they didn't want to play with you anymore. When you join a game and pursue actions that annoy other, longer-standing players that can happen.

If, on the other hand, the answer to all those questions is "no," then this probably isn't fair. On the other hand, don't assume that it's the result of someone being a fool or a jerk. These people have their own reasons for doing what they do, and if you ask them politely there's a very good chance you'll get an answer. Especially if you ask one of the members of the group other than your friend, because they have no reason to lie to you if they can expect you to take the answer maturely.


Dean, we are trying to help.Well, some of we. Others of we are being mean about it because a lot of what you've said matches what a certain stereotyped player might say in a similar situation.


If your heart is set on playing the loner, try to give him another character trait, one that makes him easier to integrate.That is the best advice I've seen yet here.

Dean Fellithor
2007-11-20, 12:46 AM
I don't like Final Fantasy THAT much, I Havent played ANY of the games, I haven't seen Advent Childeren (or at least all the way through), I have only Played Kingdom Hearts, I'm NOT a Final Fantasy Fanboy, I am more of a Kingdom Hearts 'FANBOY', I like to watch the Dark and sinister Final Fantasy Characters mesh with the quirky and often quite annoying Disney Characters, its hilarious (:biggrin:) , I'm trying to pull of that Final Fantasy character in a Disney world (the Gaming group).

I take full offense from all those people who gave me ****ty advice on what to do,saying that I'm nothing but a fanboy and a troll or whatever the hell, that was almost enough to stop me from visiting the playground for quite a while... You have Honestly disgusted me... :annoyed: *Vomit*

Solo
2007-11-20, 12:58 AM
You, sir, are a stunning bastion of maturity.

I can sleep soundly at night knowing that you are the future of America.

Crow
2007-11-20, 12:59 AM
I don't like Final Fantasy THAT much, I Havent played ANY of the games, I haven't seen Advent Childeren (or at least all the way through), I have only Played Kingdom Hearts, I'm NOT a Final Fantasy Fanboy, I am more of a Kingdom Hearts 'FANBOY', I like to watch the Dark and sinister Final Fantasy Characters mesh with the quirky and often quite annoying Disney Characters, its hilarious (:biggrin:) , I'm trying to pull of that Final Fantasy character in a Disney world (the Gaming group).

I take full offense from all those people who gave me ****ty advice on what to do,saying that I'm nothing but a fanboy and a troll or whatever the hell, that was almost enough to stop me from visiting the playground for quite a while... You have Honestly disgusted me... :annoyed: *Vomit*

A lot of the people here are trying to help. All we have to go on are your descriptions and recounting of events. Based on that, you have gotten a lot of feedback that you dislike.

Maybe you need to explain the situation with more clarity? Then we can try to provide advice that would seem more useful to you?

VerdugoExplode
2007-11-20, 01:11 AM
In the defense of those here, many(probably not me in my last few posts) offered helpful tips and suggestions on how you might be able to wield your Freudian weaponry and still fit in to a fairly normal campaign. You don't seem to understand that D&D is about the give and take. Everyone places some limits on their characters so games don't devolve into massive 'my imaginary sword is bigger than your imaginary sword' contests from a group of characters so obviously 2 dimensional that it's surprising they don't slip through cracks in the floor. You can't have everything you want because odds are that would mean others couldn't get even a modicum of their desires.

D&D is about a group of friends getting together, having a good time and consuming gratuitous amounts of sugar infused food and beverages, not a contest of who's imaginary friend is better.

Serpentine
2007-11-20, 01:11 AM
I don't like Final Fantasy THAT much, I Havent played ANY of the games, I haven't seen Advent Childeren (or at least all the way through), I have only Played Kingdom Hearts, I'm NOT a Final Fantasy Fanboy, I am more of a Kingdom Hearts 'FANBOY', I like to watch the Dark and sinister Final Fantasy Characters mesh with the quirky and often quite annoying Disney Characters, its hilarious (:biggrin:) , I'm trying to pull of that Final Fantasy character in a Disney world (the Gaming group).

I take full offense from all those people who gave me ****ty advice on what to do,saying that I'm nothing but a fanboy and a troll or whatever the hell, that was almost enough to stop me from visiting the playground for quite a while... You have Honestly disgusted me... :annoyed: *Vomit*
Way to focus on the less helpful whom you (at least to some degree) provoked and leave all those people who were genuinely trying to help and offering very useful advice founded as firmly as possible on the information you've supplied ignored and out in the cold. Next time you ask for advice, you might like to try to be a little more appreciative, lest all the helpful folk abandon you to the flames.

Fhaolan
2007-11-20, 01:23 AM
You, sir, are a stunning bastion of maturity.

I can sleep soundly at night knowing that you are the future of America.

Actually, he's the future of Australia, according to his location tag. :smallbiggrin:

Dean Fellithor
2007-11-20, 01:31 AM
Way to focus on the less helpful whom you (at least to some degree) provoked and leave all those people who were genuinely trying to help and offering very useful advice founded as firmly as possible on the information you've supplied ignored and out in the cold. Next time you ask for advice, you might like to try to be a little more appreciative, lest all the helpful folk abandon you to the flames.

I'm more of a "Focus on the assumptious negatives" kinda guy.

people also assume I'm from America, because I am "A troll", even though my profile and the like clearly state Australia.

#facepalmtothinksimamericanguy#

Artemician
2007-11-20, 01:49 AM
I'm more of a "Focus on the assumptious negatives" kinda guy.

*Don't*.

Ignore the trolls and the flamebaiters, and just listen to what those who want to help you have to say. They've given some reallly good advice so far, and for you to just ignore what they have to say in favour of trading insults with trolls is a grave injustice, both to yourself and to them.

Serpentine
2007-11-20, 01:51 AM
What is it with all these people saying what I want to, but better, more articulate etc? Geez :smallannoyed:

Dean Fellithor
2007-11-20, 01:57 AM
You, sir, are a stunning bastion of maturity.

I can sleep soundly at night knowing that you are the future of America.

by the way mate, Your not Vivi, so give up the attitude.

KBF
2007-11-20, 02:12 AM
Sorry if this sounds rude, but you're not Cloud, give up the attitude.

You're going to have to ask if the problem is your character. Maybe they don't want a guy the makes the "Kingdom Hearts Effect" on the game. But you won't know the problem until you ask.

Solo
2007-11-20, 02:15 AM
by the way mate, Your not Vivi, so give up the attitude.

My avatar begs to differ.





people also assume I'm from America, because I am "A troll", even though my profile and the like clearly state Australia.

#facepalmtothinksimamericanguy#

In America.

Lemur
2007-11-20, 02:27 AM
I have to admit I'm a bit confused as to why you want to play with this group, Dean. It doesn't sound like you respect the other members of the group, or how they like to do things. Why is it a problem if you can't play with these people?

KBF
2007-11-20, 02:30 AM
What is it with all these people saying what I want to, but better, more articulate etc? Geez :smallannoyed:

Off-topic, but that is sigged.

VerdugoExplode
2007-11-20, 02:35 AM
Solo is clearly a black mage as is advertised in his avatar. Just like my avatar clearly makes me an invisible stalker.

Yami
2007-11-20, 04:00 AM
by the way mate, Your not Vivi, so give up the attitude.

No offesnse, but is this really why you started this thread? You've got some 10-20 people trying to talking to you, with varing advice and snarky remarks, and you post this? Take a moment to step back, log in as a guest, and at try to look at your posts as if someone else had written them. Think about them from those terms.

And Solo. Vivi?! Sorry, but I never would have guessed considering the whole pixelation thing. No offense, but Vivi has better anti-aliasing than that.

Nerd-o-rama
2007-11-20, 04:09 AM
And to my knowledge, Vivi never did that finger-guns gesture.

In America.

Alright, Dean, based on this thread, I'm going to give some unsolicited advice. You're young (says the 21 year old), and still need to learn two things:

1) Most people in this world are selfish jerks. In real life, they just ignore you, but on the internet, they'll go out of their way to mock you.
2) Those rare people who do do their best to help you out, for no other reason than the kindness of their hearts/boredom, should see their advice cherished and taken to heart, for it is rare and unexpected. Spewing invectives at your detractors while taking no notice of people trying to help you is unproductive, and discourages them from trying to help you (or anyone) in the future.

My thoughts, anyway. I suppose I don't have much to add to the original topic that hasn't been eloquently stated by people like Dervag.

shadow_archmagi
2007-11-20, 05:35 AM
Darn. There goes my idea to run a Discworld campaign. :smallfrown:

I would like to participate in this.

Serpentine
2007-11-20, 05:57 AM
Dean, if you want to get anything out of this debacle at all, do a search, within the thread, for "All Posts By Dervag".

Kompera
2007-11-20, 07:10 AM
Dean,

Try this:

Speak to the other members of the gaming group. Find a way to contact the host, that's the person who will have the most 'say' in your being able to participate. Start the conversation by thanking him/her for the prior games you participated in. Express your appreciation for him/her hosting the game, and tell him/her that you enjoyed your time there. If that all goes well, confide that you're concerned that you've missed a few game sessions that you would have been able to make, if you had known about them in advance. Ask if there's a set schedule, or some other way that the game dates are passed along. Assuming that all is still going well, ask for a frank appraisal of your character concept. Keep it light, but discuss it in detail. You should know by the end of the conversation a few very important things:
Whether FF archetypes are appreciated;
Whether your character is appreciated by the host at least, and hopefully whether it's appreciated by the group at large;
Whether your play style is compatible with the rest of the group;
Whether your own personality is compatible with the rest of the group;

You can change your character if it's not 'working' for the rest of the group. It's harder to change yourself if you're not fitting into a group dynamic. If it turns out to be the second, you've got two choices:
Find another group;
Try to change your own behavior in order to better fit in.

Good luck.

Freelance Henchman
2007-11-20, 07:14 AM
Frankly, this thread didn't help much to counter the image of Anime fans as a bit socially maladjusted.

Epic_Wizard
2007-11-20, 08:25 AM
My Friend is related to a majority of them, the D'n'D group has been around for years, the Re-enactment group came this year, I have not talked to the rest of the group about the "Cloud clone" as you most distastefully call it, its not like I'm making the character have tons of small swords the make up the BIG sword, Its just a HUGE SWORD.:annoyed:

Just would like to point out that to the best of my knowledge the sword from Advent Children was new and unique to that movie. I think that his sword from FF7 was one solid piece though I may be wrong.


by the way mate, Your not Vivi, so give up the attitude.

Really he should chill out but you should stop trying to act like cloud in your game too.


I don't like Final Fantasy THAT much, I Havent played ANY of the games, I haven't seen Advent Childeren (or at least all the way through), I have only Played Kingdom Hearts, I'm NOT a Final Fantasy Fanboy, I am more of a Kingdom Hearts 'FANBOY', I like to watch the Dark and sinister Final Fantasy Characters mesh with the quirky and often quite annoying Disney Characters, its hilarious (:biggrin:) , I'm trying to pull of that Final Fantasy character in a Disney world (the Gaming group).

I take full offense from all those people who gave me ****ty advice on what to do,saying that I'm nothing but a fanboy and a troll or whatever the hell, that was almost enough to stop me from visiting the playground for quite a while... You have Honestly disgusted me... :annoyed: *Vomit*

So ignore those people and look at the decent advice from the people who feel that you should compromise with your friend. It is your friend's D&D group and they are under no obligation to adjust their game to fit your ideas. If they don't want a stoic and depressed character in their game world then that is the end of it for now. Maybe you can run this character in a later campaign.

We are not saying that the way your friend and your friend's D&D group are dealing with this is excusable, it is a stupid way to deal with a problem and if they have a problem with something they should talk to you about it instead of avoiding you, but we are also not laying the entirety of the blame on them. You are probably going to have to take the first steps towards fixing this and you should be careful not to yell or offend anyone.

Dean Fellithor
2007-11-20, 08:41 AM
Really he should chill out but you should stop trying to act like cloud in your game too.

No offence, but that was wear I stopped reading, I'm trying to make a Guy with a Huge Sword like Cloud's, who is a loner (which from what I read on Wikipedia is every male Final Fantasy character), He is trying to be Vivi in real life.

Azerian Kelimon
2007-11-20, 08:44 AM
No, he's just plain ol' Solo. Vivi never had such a display of maturity and exquisite humour.

Also, following Illiterate scribe's suggestion:


C-C-COMBO BREAKER!


There. Changing an Escape From Castle Wolfenstein quote:

"Die, flaming, die!"

Keld Denar
2007-11-20, 08:45 AM
No offence, but that was wear I stopped reading, I'm trying to make a Guy with a Huge Sword like Cloud's, who is a loner (which from what I read on Wikipedia is every male Final Fantasy character), He is trying to be Vivi in real life.

Sigh...You can help some people some of the time, but you can't help all people all of the time. Some people just refuse to be helped.

Azerian Kelimon
2007-11-20, 08:51 AM
I repeat:

C-C-COMBO BREAKER!


Now, let's go back to discussing if monks suck and if forcecage + timestop is useless.

Adumbration
2007-11-20, 08:52 AM
Jeah. It's kinda depressing to see him just ignore all the other helpful posts and cling on to those that make fun of him because he ignores the other helpful posts.

Paradoxical, isn't it?

Inyssius Tor
2007-11-20, 08:59 AM
It is kind of depressing, but I can certainly put myself in his shoes here. The trolls are really biting here, and they're biting quite sensitive spots too. In a situation like that, I suspect most of the people here would respond in a similar way.

Dean: You can't fight the internet and win. Instead, try Dervag's post--it might actually help.

Keld Denar
2007-11-20, 09:07 AM
Dean: You can't fight the internet and win.

I faught the law, but Pun-Pun won, I faught the law, but Pun-Pun won.

Thank you, thank you, I'll be here all day!

Thinker
2007-11-20, 09:18 AM
No offence, but that was wear I stopped reading, I'm trying to make a Guy with a Huge Sword like Cloud's, who is a loner (which from what I read on Wikipedia is every male Final Fantasy character), He is trying to be Vivi in real life.

I'm sorry, but you are offensive, intentional or not. You're trying to make a FF character in DnD. Its not going to work. You're attacking other posters for disagreeing with you and you still somehow think you're in the right. Your character concept is annoying and you don't mesh well with your group. Either try to reach a middle ground or leave them, but either way quit bitching about it.

Leadfeathermcc
2007-11-20, 09:26 AM
Dean, have you taken the time to respond to any of the positive advice on this thread? If you can't take the time to do that, why should anyone take their time trying to help you?
You need to change what you focus on. What you decide to see is what you will see.

Charity
2007-11-20, 09:27 AM
Jeah. It's kinda depressing to see him just ignore all the other helpful posts and cling on to those that make fun of him because he ignores the other helpful posts.

Paradoxical, isn't it?


See oddly enough I have found this thread to be quite uplifting and heartening.
No really I have.
Even though this young lad has been... difficult to get on board, the advice here has been patient, persistent and astonishingly well meaning, well done the lot of you. Yeah there have been a few piss takers, but nothing nasty, or really undeserved.
Ah the arrogance of youth meets the anonymity of the internet... Whats happened to predictability.. Oh the bridge is out.
http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/cbo/lowres/cbon78l.jpg

Tweekinator
2007-11-20, 09:38 AM
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/7559/internetargumentbw0.th.jpg (http://img140.imageshack.us/my.php?image=internetargumentbw0.jpg)

Internet Fight!

I'll leave it up to all of you to decide who is the little girl and who is the ass.

Epic_Wizard
2007-11-20, 09:40 AM
Okay I probably should have toned that down or not included that but I was in a hurry when I posted that so I didn't have time to proof read it for content. I would like to formally apologize for that portion of my post and I hope that you will read the rest of it as I feel that it contains decent advice.

Those of us who are trying to provide helpful advice would really appreciate some feedback so that we can try and help even more.

Matthew
2007-11-20, 09:47 AM
See oddly enough I have found this thread to be quite uplifting and heartening.
No really I have.
Even though this young lad has been... difficult to get on board, the advice here has been patient, persistent and astonishingly well meaning, well done the lot of you. Yeah there have been a few piss takers, but nothing nasty, or really undeserved.

Very true.


Ah the arrogance of youth meets the anonymity of the internet... Whats happened to predictability.. Oh the bridge is out.
http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/cbo/lowres/cbon78l.jpg

Oh man, I totally forgot they'd have to fight on a bridge... Hmmn. I wonder if a Goat could Bullrush a Troll off a bridge...?

Keld Denar
2007-11-20, 09:53 AM
Very true.

Oh man, I totally forgot they'd have to fight on a bridge... Hmmn. I wonder if a Goat could Bullrush a Troll off a bridge...?

Oh man, where is Fax when you need a Pseudonatural Paragon Darn Billy Goat of Legend.

Tekraen
2007-11-20, 09:57 AM
I'm trying to make a Guy with a Huge Sword like Cloud's
I'm still not convinced you're not trying to intentionally antagonize. You say you're not that big a fan of Final Fantasy, and for all intents and purposes you've created a clone. There isn't a single thing here that I can say that hasn't already been put in much better terms by much better players than myself.


who is a loner (which from what I read on Wikipedia is every male Final Fantasy character), He is trying to be Vivi in real life.

This only reaffirms it. You're trying to bring a fanboy clone into a game that really doesn't want it. To be forward, many people think of such characters as 'lame'. Sometimes it's done well, most times it isn't. I'm guilty of the same (made a warrior much like Guts of Berserk, save he used an axe, was a specialist in mounted combat, and had a more integratable personality), and for the most part I thought it was lame. It was a short notice character.

Speaking from a player's perspective, I wouldn't want to adventure with a one-winged angel. It's unsettling, especially when they brood more than a vampire who helps the helpless and has a greatsword version of a Swiss Army Knife. They're going to draw unacceptable heat to a group that deals with heat for a living. That should say something.

Speaking from a DM's perspective, I would've axed this character the moment the sheet crossed my table simply for the sake of party cohesion. I'm a fairly vanilla-style DM as it is; half-aasimar are straight out-let alone one with only one wing, being the sole survivor of some planetary calamity. The backstory is contrived, I know how such a character is going to turn out, and I would more than likely install countermeasures to ensure the player learned that this type of character is largely unwanted in a DnD game unless I specifically ask for it.

The quickest fix for this if you still wanted to play with this group (and they you) is to apologise and roll a different character. Nothing freaky, nothing custom, nothing that is toeing the line of copyright infringement with Squenix. Go vanilla, make sure the DM and the group is all right with it, and focus on integrating with the group before trying to install a party-breaker.

Otherwise, I'd just look for a different system where such a character would be readily accepted.

edit: Tagfix, you're it!

Lord Lorac Silvanos
2007-11-20, 09:58 AM
Oh man, I totally forgot they'd have to fight on a bridge... Hmmn. I wonder if a Goat could Bullrush a Troll off a bridge...?

Interesting, but even more so...

Matthew vs. Bridge!

FIGHT!!

Fawsto
2007-11-20, 11:17 AM
Dean, I, for instance, can understand how you feel, since I can put myself on your shoes pretty easily.

Why? Well, do you guys know a game series called Soul Calibur? I am a personal fan to Siegfried/Nightmare, almost being a fanboy. I utterly like him because, indeed, I am a fan to Armored oversized weapon wielders. His fighting style is also interesting to me. I know that a Massive Sword + Wrestling fighting style looks silly to many people, but I find it cool and funny. I can't help it, I find on him a very interesting and fun character.

I also am a Paladin Fanboy, that I admit. I play Paladins 70% of the time. Not because I can't think of anything better, is just because I like roleplaying a Paladin. It is chalenging to follow that cursed m* f* code, and I like chalenges.

So, you can by now, get it. My last 2 campaings where I played Pallys, they looked similar to Siegfried. Very similar indeed.

But why, even being very similar to Siegfried (and once, sharing the same name), my character was not a heindrance to my party or fellow players? Because I only took the image from the character. The personality and story were always made to get along well with other players. They never bothered to fight alongside the "oversized sword blond guy", since, 90% of the time, he is not even close to be the Siegfried from the game.

Also I am quite realistic with teh levels and rules given. Just because the Soul Calibur 4 Siegfried is wielding a crystal 2 hander named Soul Calibur and has a shining covered by crystal armor, my character won't share these or even call his sword Soul Calibur.

A piece of advice? To create a single character that won't look like any videogame/anime character in a deeper level, choose a week. Yes, a week. In that week you won't watch animes or play the games where your favourite characters are. By the end of that week open your core and splat books and take a look at the prestige classes and normal classes, when you find one that you enjoy, think about a character, but only his appearence and alligment. Then talk to your GM and ask for a depth explaining of the scenario and the other PCs you will be playing along, now get your character and create a good personality to go well along the other PCs. Simple like that.

A last thing... Play to get what people want when they play RPG, fun and joy. Without these playing RPG is utterly lost time. A time where you could go on a date or watch a good movie.

Solo
2007-11-20, 11:22 AM
No offence, but that was wear I stopped reading, I'm trying to make a Guy with a Huge Sword like Cloud's, who is a loner (which from what I read on Wikipedia is every male Final Fantasy character), He is trying to be Vivi in real life.

Your ability to extrapolate my real life behavior based off of a few comments I ahve made on an internet forum amazes me. Your analytical skills no doubt put Sherlock Holmes to shame.

Thinker
2007-11-20, 11:30 AM
Your ability to extrapolate my real life behavior based off of a few comments I ahve made on an internet forum amazes me. Your analytical skills no doubt put Sherlock Holmes to shame.

His analytical skills are top notch. PROOF!:

...has constant troubles with people at school because they aren't smart enough to keep up...
He's just too smart for you Solo, give it up. You're obviously just a Vivi ripoff in real life! :smalltongue:

Matthew
2007-11-20, 11:39 AM
Interesting, but even more so...

Matthew vs. Bridge!

FIGHT!!

Do I have any tools? I suppose it doesn't matter, all I need is Power Attack and a few levels...

Hmmmn:

Let's see, if it were a Wooden Bridge it would have a hardness of 5, so I'd need to be doing 6 points of Damage. Using Unarmed Strikes and taking -4 AB to do Lethal Damage I would need to have a +3 Bonus to Damage from somewhere.... hope I'm a Level 3 Fighter with Power Attack. Then again, if I get lucky I have a chance of Sundering it (DC 20)

VerdugoExplode
2007-11-20, 11:51 AM
Don't antagonize him Solo. With investigative skills of his calibur he doubtless already knows your address, your parent's address, where you went to school, your bank account information and the name of your dog. He's like an information ninja, using his 8 foot long katana to cut through firewalls like a regular katana cuts through tanks, airplanes and any other object(as proven in anime). Don't mess with Dean, he'll angst you to death.

Temp
2007-11-20, 11:54 AM
No offence, but that was wear I stopped reading, I'm trying to make a Guy with a Huge Sword like Cloud's, who is a loner (which from what I read on Wikipedia is every male Final Fantasy character), He is trying to be Vivi in real life.

Nobody cares about the damned sword.

It's the other aspects of your commentary and behaviour that bother people: you're trying to force a group of older [and surely more mature] gamers to set their own interests aside to cater to your whining needs.

They want to have fun, to joke and to have a good time. You want to wallow in teen-angst. It's just not going to work; deal with it.

But stop imposing yourself on their games; it doesn't sound like you enjoy their company and it doesn't sound like they enjoy yours. If you want to keep playing D&D, find some new kids [around your age with similar interests] and teach them. It's simple.

Solo
2007-11-20, 12:00 PM
Don't antagonize him Solo. With investigative skills of his calibur he doubtless already knows your address, your parent's address, where you went to school, your bank account information and the name of your dog. He's like an information ninja, using his 8 foot long katana to cut through firewalls like a regular katana cuts through tanks, airplanes and any other object(as proven in anime). Don't mess with Dean, he'll angst you to death.

I didn't even know I had a dog...

Lord Lorac Silvanos
2007-11-20, 12:03 PM
Do I have any tools? I suppose it doesn't matter, all I need is Power Attack and a few levels...

Hmmmn:

Let's see, if it were a Wooden Bridge it would have a hardness of 5, so I'd need to be doing 6 points of Damage. Using Unarmed Strikes and taking -4 AB to do Lethal Damage I would need to have a +3 Bonus to Damage from somewhere.... hope I'm a Level 3 Fighter with Power Attack. Then again, if I get lucky I have a chance of Sundering it (DC 20)

As this was an attempt to disarm the situation I really don't think it would be proper to equip you with tools. :smalltongue:

It is not like you are up against a gazebo...


At this point it would be nice to hear if the OP has been able to look at the constructive posts and maybe be able to use some of the advice from them?

Otherwise this might just be a waste of time for everyone. A time waste that could have unfortunate side effects, including but not limited to Matthew's sore knuckles and random fire damage.

Epic_Wizard
2007-11-20, 12:06 PM
Solo please tone down the sarcasm. Your responses are only going to make this worse by provoking more anger and drawing more attention away from the helpful posts. This really goes for everyone one. Stop poking fun at other people and lets get this thread back towards a helpful and rational discussion.

Thinker
2007-11-20, 12:07 PM
I didn't even know I had a dog...

That's how good he is.


Solo please tone down the sarcasm. Your responses are only going to make this worse by provoking more anger and drawing more attention away from the helpful posts. This really goes for everyone one. Stop poking fun at other people and lets get this thread back towards a helpful and rational discussion.

We tried the helpfulness and he spurned it. Why should we help those who obviously don't really want it? Its almost like he's purposefully making people combatitive to simply get reactions.

Tweekinator
2007-11-20, 12:10 PM
Nobody cares about the damned sword.

I do; I think huge unwieldable swords are retarded in general and Final Fantasy swords particularly so.

toddex
2007-11-20, 12:12 PM
Nobody who hates anime is worth being friends with - not only because anime is awesome, but because people who hate others for their tastes are small, narrow-minded idiots. I can dislike Harry Potter, but I won't pick on someone who does like the books - in fact, many of my friends do find them enjoyable.

Id argue it the other way around. I cant stand anime for one reason. The fans, the fans are all horrible. There are a few I like, Berserk comes to mind. But the rest are just lame. I dont hate them for their taste in anime, I hate them for their behavior. What I really cant stand are the "wanna-be japanese" those ones really really really piss me off. There have been many a time where Ive had to walk away from alot of games otherwise I would have shoved a pencil in someones behind.

Please, respect and admire if you want. Just dont hold the japanese culture on a pedestal. The very culture they themselves have been so eager to throw away so many times. If it werent for foreign intervention alot of their culture wouldve been lost. Now I feel like a KKK member. Anyway....

Matthew
2007-11-20, 12:18 PM
At this point it would be nice to hear if the OP has been able to look at the constructive posts and maybe be able to use some of the advice from them?

I agree.


As this was an attempt to disarm the situation I really don't think it would be proper to equip you with tools. :smalltongue:

It is not like you are up against a gazebo...

Whoah there! Let's not get crazy. Who said anything about taking on a Gazebo? I saw the stats for it in Bride of Portable Hole), last I checked it was a Gargantuan Construct with Leap Attack. I doubt if even a Billy Goat on a Bridge could defeat that thing.

Tokiko Mima
2007-11-20, 12:27 PM
Dean Fellithor,

Let me start by saying I like anime too. I've often been accused of making my characters based on anime, using Swordsage too much and various other stylistic faux pax.

Your initial complaint coming onto this thread is quite valid. Your friend is lying to you about when DnD games are held. It's upsetting, but sometimes people lie not because they want to hurt you, but because they care enough to spare your feelings. This may or may not be the case and I as an internet board poster can't really ever know for sure.

Secondly, it's ok to be a loner, it's ok to have a huge sword if the DM allows it. But DnD is a team setting, and whether you understand it or not you seem to be making a character that's not conducive to a team. Loner characters can work within a team though: they need to be given a reason that they stay.

Also, there's some concern that you may be grandstanding, or trying to monopolize all the attention from the other players. This is not good, and it quickly becomes a hardship on all the other players but especially on the DM. One of the DM's jobs is to make sure *everyone* is having a good time. By being "last of his race" and with a "Destiny" you seem to be attempting to turn the game into something that's all about your character.

There is a lot of combined DnD experience on this board, and situations like this are more common than anyone likes. A lot of the advice you've been given is very good, if some of it is a little bit of a harsh pill to swallow. Your character *can* work, but you need to figure out how he fits into the group, rather than how the group will accept him. Does that make sense?

Mr.Moron
2007-11-20, 12:34 PM
I do; I think huge unwieldable swords are retarded in general and Final Fantasy swords particularly so.

Oh come on, I can do you one goofier than a final fantasy sword! A huge sword that's not actually sword, instead it's just a sword-shaped portal to a space containing metal. It's even bigger and stupider since none of the material is actually weighed to the handle, it's simply a device for projecting the portal. If you want to get even sillier, it can be a portal to some section of plane filled with "X" harmful energy. Best of all you can never hit your self or an ally with at, as the portal is attuned in such way that it warps around friendly targets!



See! Doesn't that make the final fantasy sword seem sane in comparsion?I'm not trying to make the topic any more about big swords than it already has been; I just love always pointing out "It could be worse, it could be a...."

Winterwind
2007-11-20, 12:38 PM
Dean, just read this one post (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3536851&postcount=68) by Dervag. Ignore all the flames and trolling and read this one post, it summarizes all the good advice offered by those people in the thread who are truly just trying to help you.

I imagine you are pretty furious by now, but please, do not hurt yourself by focussing only on the negative posts, read the ones which could actually benefit you, of which Dervag's post is the epitome.

Heck, for the sake of being less easy to overlook in this sea of flames and negativity:



Nobody who hates anime is worth being friends with - not only because anime is awesome, but because people who hate others for their tastes are small, narrow-minded idiots. I can dislike Harry Potter, but I won't pick on someone who does like the books - in fact, many of my friends do find them enjoyable.The thing is, if someone is so much a fan of the books that they can't stop talking about them and constantly bring them up in a D&D context, it gets annoying. Likewise for anime.

However, the utterly overwhelming majority of anime fans aren't like that, and if you aren't like that the DM has no just cause for banning you because of your approval of anime. On the other hand, if you are constantly bringing up anime in the game, it is a problem, because it messes with the fourth wall.



The character has trouble developing because his planet, his life and his loved ones are all worse off than Dead, his wing is giving him constant pan and he is in a world full of mostly (Sentient) undead beings (Undead, not Un-people), the living that are there are most likely going to be Necromancers and Corpse loving Emos, of course he is going to want to be alone, but he stays with group for the sake of getting out of this world before the Immortals come to cart his butt away because he is supposed to have died with the rest of his planets inhabitants.

Here's the problem with this, as I see it.

It is a common fallacy to think of a D&D campaign as a story with a main character, like most novels. Many people do this; it is by no means unusual. When that happens, the player tends to overdevelop their character- just as a character in a novel may have many pages of background exposition, so does this PC. The PC's background will typically be made 'unique' in that the PC is an exception to many rules and is abnormal in many ways.

Moreover, as would be normal and appropriate in the novel, the PC's background is made to have foreshadowing of future events- events that logically must happen, not events that hypothetically could happen.

The problem with all this is that the model of campaign-as-story with my-PC-as-protagonist is flawed. There are several players, all equal, and therefore several PCs, normally also all equal. And in addition to the players there is a DM responsible for making sure that the universe the PCs move in makes sense and provides them with exciting and fun things to do.

Each of the players has as much right to the spotlight as any of the others. And if your character has a big, elaborate background and is the exception to many rules, your DM will have trouble working him into the setting as a whole. That's hard on the DM and annoying to the players.

Moreover, the players don't know your background story, nor do the NPCs. If you try to read them your background story they will likely be bored; most people aren't professional writers and have trouble writing passages that will interest people who don't have some preexisting reason to care about the subject. If you don't, they don't know any of this interesting stuff about your character, so they don't know why he acts the way he acts. If they were running secondary characters in a novel, they would feel compelled to draw your character out, giving opportunities for background exposition. But instead they are running characters co-equal with your own. So if your character is an antisocial loner tormented by his past, they aren't going to care why he's an antisocial loner. They're just going to think he's a jerk and leave it at that.

So when you create a character with an improbably huge sword that folds out into all kinds of huge weapons, who has an elaborate and complicated background story that is hard for the DM to fit into the campaign, and who wants to be left alone and not talked to... the players and DM are going to think that the character is a jerk, and that by extension you are a jerk. And even though it's really a misunderstanding, they're not going to take the time to figure it out because they aren't normally your friends. If, as others say, you're in your teens, they probably think of you as being just another kid who makes up elaborate characters and then expects the entire game universe to revolve around him. That doesn't mean they're right, but they have a reason to believe that inside their own heads.



its a Higher level game, its my first High level game, ever, I'm trying to make a character that would fit in but seems not to (in-game) fit in,But the character should fit in in-game. That's the point. The other players don't want to waste time and energy role-playing arguments with your character or convincing your character to do things. If they wanted to play secondary characters in a novel with your character as the protagonist they'd love that idea; but they probably don't.

Imagine that you're invited to a party and you want to convince the people at the party that you're worth inviting back. You're not going to run around getting into arguments with people and expecting them to express admiration for you and getting angry at them when they don't. They won't react by saying "Wow, what an interesting person." They will react by thinking you're a loon.

Likewise, the DM wants your character to fit into the universe. For example, if the entire game has taken place in the kingdoms of A, B, C, and D, he probably wants your character to be from one of those four kingdoms, and not from a distant planet or a continent across the sea. He doesn't want to develop those distant lands, because he isn't planning on bringing the party to them, and because he doesn't want to have to play an endless series of NPCs asking "So you're from Ploor? Where's that?"

It is not normally desirable for any PC to have an origin outside the established world of the campaign setting. Note that 'world' doesn't mean 'planet'. It may only mean one small province, or it may mean two different continents, or it may mean five planets, or it may mean an entire infinitely large plane of existence. But however large it is, the DM and players will want it to be self-contained because otherwise it increases the number of places and names they have to remember.


constantly causing argumants with the rest of the Party(in-game) because he cant get over with his emotional problems (due to the fact he is, or at least he thinks he is, the sole survivor of his planet(the planet being like every other D'n'D world, lots of species.))Again, nobody wants to roleplay those arguments. It takes time that the other players and the DM would rather be spending on something else, like fighting monsters, and it causes frustration.


, I want him to stink of Cloud, because cloud has had his world destroyed(Memory-wise)There's another issue. Whenever your first thought in creating a character is "I want him to be like X," you're likely to have problems. If the other players are familiar with character X, they'll think "this is an X ripoff, why can't this guy invent his own character like everybody else?" If they aren't familiar with character X, they won't feel any increased sympathy for or understanding of the character because of his similarity to X. So they'll be wondering "This character is a jerk; I don't like his catchphrases; he seems to be expecting us to act in ways that I, for one, have no intention of making my character act. Why can't this guy invent a character who plays well with others?"


I also thought that if I asked the DM nicely enough the non-damaged wing could be used to propel my character just a little bit further while running or Jumping.In and of itself, I doubt that would have been a problem, as long as your character pays for that ability in terms of Level Adjustment (if it's powerful enough).


1) Its not my fault that you have been viewing the world through a straw.

2) if these guys were real D'n'D players then they would understand what I'm trying to pull off with my character.How do you know that it is you who truly understands D&D while all these other people, many of whom have been doing it longer than you, do not?

Again, the problem here is not that there is something wrong with you, only that you are doing a thing that appears reasonable to you but does not appear reasonable from the point of view of other people. Since those other people have just as much right to have fun as you, they are under no obligation to keep inviting you over if you're spoiling their fun.


3) Drizz't sucks, my Character is no meer clone of Cloud, its an infusion of both I and cloud, but it seems to lean towards cloud because of his appearance.Building any character who strongly resembles oneself is another recipe for trouble, because it will fool other players and the DM into thinking you aren't really roleplaying even when you are.


5) my friend hasnt made many good characters, his current character is a anti-social Hippie for gods-sakes! He is only planting trees out of his own greed to out live everone else (if you think that is good than you are crazy, its dumb, a joke that he made up. D'n'D is not about jokes!).Says who? There are lots of D&D players who play joke campaigns, or serious campaigns with lots of jokes stuck in, and who have a great time.


6) ???
7) PROFIT!In the red, my friend, in the red.


Its not the group, its the single guy, get your facts straight.If the rest of the group gets along with the single guy, then they probably like his play style. Perhaps they think of him as "the funny kid" while thinking of you as the "self-centered kid." And remember, a lot of people in their twenties and up will think of teenagers as kids, whether or not they should.


Cloud is a loner, I'm a loner, thats how it is:
If you're a loner who can't roleplay a non-loner, other players aren't going to have fun playing with you. Your character isn't talking to them or interacting with them when they try to do things, and then gets into arguments and fights with them when you try to do things. So sometimes your character isn't any fun for them because he's brooding in the corner, and sometimes your character is less than no fun for them because he's getting mad at them or arguing with them.


I hate playing with a in-game party of Joke characters...And if they want to play a party of joke characters, that's their right, and neither you nor they should feel obliged to bring in a character who isn't a joke.


and simply want to play a character who has an over-sized sword! I mean D'n'D does have monkey-grip which allows me to weild a "Comicly big weapon". I don't think that would be the problem by itself. The problem comes more from the character's personality, which appears to be getting in the way of the other players' fun, than from his fighting style. Although if he's got a sword that's supposed to fold out into lots of other weapons and other neat stuff like that, it may be so exaggerated that the other players just can't believe in the character. Swords that unfold aren't very believable.


Oh great, I do that and all of a sudden "LEGOLAS RIP-OFF!"

Its not the group, its the single guy, get your facts straight.

Cloud is a loner, I'm a loner, thats how it is: I hate playing with a in-game party of Joke characters and simply want to play a character who has an over-sized sword! I mean D'n'D does have monkey-grip which allows me to weild a "Comicly big weapon".Err... you do realize that you just repeated your last post.


Me, the guy who studies as hard as hell, rehearses lines for Drama, got his "friends" part dumped on him, has constant troubles with people at school because they aren't smart enough to keep up, is trying to find a job for over the holidays, makes comics for the Oots: Avatar Battle Royale, cleans the dishes, mows the lawn and is trying to get a few things back on track in life that are not really the best thing to mention here.

I'm the 4th most busy guy in the group, cut me some goddamn slack.Who's condemning you for being busy?

On a side note, very few people are truly stupid. Most people are merely motivated by concerns you don't understand immediately, or have different interests from yours and aren't interested in "keeping up" with you in your subject of interest. For example, I study physics. I know more physics than almost anyone I've ever met outside of a physics department- I can think of two exceptions off the top of my head. And I don't expect other people to 'keep up' with my knowledge of physics. I don't expect them to understand quantum mechanics, or even to try. If they ask, I'll explain it to them as best I can, but even then I don't blame them for not understanding- it's bloody confusing.

It wouldn't make sense for me to say that other people were "too stupid to keep up" with me in the areas where I am interested in doing things and they aren't. I'm not interested in football. I know way less about football than many other people. But because I don't care as much as they do. I'm not "too stupid to keep up" in football. Not because I'm too stupid to understand it; there are many people as intelligent as me or less intelligent than me who understand it.



You might be able to find another D&D group at your local Hot Topic. Home of all the oppressed adolescent youth who feel that the world doesn't understand the depth and complexity of the average teenage soul, tormented by the twin demons of homework AND chores, surely your life is fraught with misery and woe. If you continue to feel this way I recommend you summarize your feelings in poem form so that you can better express your disgust with the rest of humanity and how they are constantly keeping you down or infuriating you with their inability to match your razor sharp wit. This should solve all your problems.For chrissakes, give the guy a break. Even if you don't think his problems are serious, he does; at least do him the favor of taking him seriously until he refuses to return the favor.
Others have given more advice how you should best face this situation, armed with the knowledge from Dervag's post. They shouldn't be difficult to find, once you look past all the posts which were not helpful.

And to all the others who have stepped down to only attacking and ridiculing Dean, or derailing the thread entirely, please stop. This will only make it even more difficult for him to notice the few well-meant posts in between the not-so-well-meant ones.

Fhaolan
2007-11-20, 12:40 PM
Oh come on, I can do you one goofier than a final fantasy sword! A huge sword that's not actually sword, instead it's just a sword-shaped portal to a space containing metal. It's even bigger and stupider since none of the material is actually weighed to the handle, it's simply a device for projecting the portal. If you want to get even sillier, it can be a portal to some section of plane filled with "X" harmful energy. Best of all you can never hit your self or an ally with at, as the portal is attuned in such way that it warps around friendly targets!



See! Doesn't that make the final fantasy sword seem sane in comparsion?I'm not trying to make the topic any more about big swords than it already has been; I just love always pointing out "It could be worse, it could be a...."


Well, if you do it that way, you don't even need the plane of metal or energy. The portal itself could be a weapon, as it very likely has no actual 'thickness' and therefore is possibly the sharpest thing in the universe. Sharper than mono-blades, which techincally have a thickness. :smallsmile:

Tweekinator
2007-11-20, 12:48 PM
Oh come on, I can do you one goofier than a final fantasy sword! A huge sword that's not actually sword, instead it's just a sword-shaped portal to a space containing metal. It's even bigger and stupider since none of the material is actually weighed to the handle, it's simply a device for projecting the portal. If you want to get even sillier, it can be a portal to some section of plane filled with "X" harmful energy. Best of all you can never hit your self or an ally with at, as the portal is attuned in such way that it warps around friendly targets!



See! Doesn't that make the final fantasy sword seem sane in comparsion?I'm not trying to make the topic any more about big swords than it already has been; I just love always pointing out "It could be worse, it could be a...."

My god! Has someone actually made these abominations up? Don't tell me if they have, I want to keep my sanity and my soul.



And Winterwind, I thought it became evident a few pages ago that he was not going to focus on the nice things, even though each post of nice helpfulness was practically labeled as such.

Mr.Moron
2007-11-20, 12:50 PM
Well, if you do it that way, you don't even need the plane of metal or energy. The portal itself could be a weapon, as it very likely has no actual 'thickness' and therefore is possibly the sharpest thing in the universe. Sharper than mono-blades, which techincally have a thickness. :smallsmile:

It's one way of going about it, I guess. It depends on what assumptions you make about how "Portals" function, and having an object only partially through them. Of course a version. I suppose a clearly defined way to word what I was suggesting is that the portal is projecting the harmful material into the current plane.

However this thread probably isn't the place for a discussion on the mechanics of planar gates and ways they could be used to make silly weapons. That might make for an interesting thread though.



My god! Has someone actually made these abominations up? Don't tell me if they have, I want to keep my sanity and my soul.


Actually I did, just then. Really man, don't tempt me! I can think of things much more far-fetched than that. In fact I probably would just to be a wise guy, but as I said, this probably isn't the right thread for that sort of thing.

EDIT: Well, OK. I'll just link something instead. You think JRPGs get too over the top with swords? You apparently haven't seen what they do with robots. (http://youtube.com/watch?v=JbH2n7TSMc4&feature=related). I'll be honest, I like silly over-top-stuff it amuses me.

Temp
2007-11-20, 12:55 PM
I do; I think huge unwieldable swords are retarded in general and Final Fantasy swords particularly so. I can't stand the concept of them either, but really--what does the sword matter in a game? He writes "Monkey Grip" on his character sheet and that's the end of it.

Problems are going to arise when he can't stand the other players and they can't stand him, which really sounds like the case.

Winterwind
2007-11-20, 12:57 PM
And Winterwind, I thought it became evident a few pages ago that he was not going to focus on the nice things, even though each post of nice helpfulness was practically labeled as such.It has, at least, become evident that he will not go out of his way to go back through the thread and look at the one post to which everyone has been pointing him to; which is why I thought that, if the mountain won't come to Mohammed, Mohammed must go to the mountain. I sincerely hope that it was only anger that has made him miss the well-meant advice and summarize the entirety of the thread, good and bad posts alike, as worthless flames; I hope therefore that pointing him straight to the one post he should read, instead of making him search for it, may help.

Dervag
2007-11-20, 01:30 PM
I take full offense from all those people who gave me ****ty advice on what to do,saying that I'm nothing but a fanboy and a troll or whatever the hell, that was almost enough to stop me from visiting the playground for quite a while... You have Honestly disgusted me... :annoyed: *Vomit*You know, expressing disgust at people who have condemned you for misunderstanding you doesn't normally shock them into ceasing to condemn you, especially if you do so in a way that reinforces their belief that you are the very model of their stereotyped image of the oversensitive teenage fanboy.

Even though you are most likely not, convincing them that you are is poor strategy.

On a side note, I would appreciate it if you would address me, or some of the rest of the people who honestly are trying to give you good and useful advice, directly. Puking on us does not encourage us to help you, nor does it chase away the fools and jerks who are actually giving you the truly ****ty advice.


people also assume I'm from America, because I am "A troll", even though my profile and the like clearly state Australia.

#facepalmtothinksimamericanguy#Why should you be offended by people who assume that if someone is a foolish jerk, then they must necessarily be American? I would find this to be at worst neutral and at best a compliment, were I Australian.

Also, keep in mind that many people on these boards list false locations or fictional locations that do not even exist. So the fact that your profile claims to be from Australia is not automatically proof that you are Australian. After all, I could post my location as Australia just as easily as you could, and I've never been within five thousand miles of the place in my life.


by the way mate, Your not Vivi, so give up the attitude.Err... you wouldn't happen to be familiar with the expression about the pot and the kettle, would you?

Angrily telling people what to do on an online forum produces no results. It won't make them do what you want. If anything, it makes them more likely to ignore you or to reply angrily. That's how flame wars start. And flame wars are stupid. No one wants a flame war, except for jerks and fools. If you started this thread with the real hope of getting good advice, then take the good advice on the thread, and ignore the jerks and fools. They cannot harm you; you only upset yourself by paying attention to them. And at the same time, you insult the people who are trying to offer you good advice by implying that they are in the same category as the jerks and fools who are insulting you.


No offence, but that was wear I stopped reading, I'm trying to make a Guy with a Huge Sword like Cloud's, who is a loner (which from what I read on Wikipedia is every male Final Fantasy character), He is trying to be Vivi in real life.Why is one of these good and the other bad again?


Dean, have you taken the time to respond to any of the positive advice on this thread? If you can't take the time to do that, why should anyone take their time trying to help you?Because it amuses us to do so?


Why? Well, do you guys know a game series called Soul Calibur? I am a personal fan to Siegfried/Nightmare, almost being a fanboy. I utterly like him because, indeed, I am a fan to Armored oversized weapon wielders. His fighting style is also interesting to me. I know that a Massive Sword + Wrestling fighting style looks silly to many people, but I find it cool and funny. I can't help it, I find on him a very interesting and fun character.Might I suggest you look up some of the old late medieval and Renaissance schools of longsword fencing? The idea of a guy who fights with a two-handed sword, in armor, and who combines this with wrestling moves is actually authentic. Siegfried/Nightmare's sword may be unreasonably large even for a two-handed sword, but the basic concept is by no means invalid.


Actually I did, just then. Really man, don't tempt me! I can think of things much more far-fetched than that. In fact I probably would just to be a wise guy, but as I said, this probably isn't the right thread for that sort of thing.Truly, your ability to think up bizarre and stupid things confounds the brain and dazzles the mind.

Leadfeathermcc
2007-11-20, 01:48 PM
Because it amuses us to do so?


True, and that is all well and good. But the question was addressed at the O.P. who seems to have focused only on the snarky comments and not the helpful ones. You have given very good and patient advice, it is a shame that it seems to be ignored.

In truth this whole thread has me thinking about Chapter 13 of C.S. Lewis's The Last Battle. The part where the dwarfs can not see the beauty of the land around them insisting they are still in the dirty stable.

Aslan raised his head and shook his mane. Instantly a glorious feast appeared on the Dwarfs' knees: pies and tongues and pigeons and trifles and ices, and each Dwarf had a goblet of good wine in his right hand. But it wasn't much use. They began eating and drinking greedily enough, but it was clear that they couldn't taste it properly. They thought they were eating and drinking only the sort of things you might find in a stable. One said he was trying to eat hay and another said he had a bit of an old turnip and a third said he'd found a raw cabbage leaf. And they raised golden goblets of rich red wine to their lips and said "Ugh! Fancy drinking dirty water out of a trough that a donkey's been at! Never thought we'd come to this." But very soon every Dwarf began suspecting that every other Dwarf had found something nicer than he had, and they started grabbing and snatching, and went on to quarrelling, till in a few minutes there was a free fight and all the good food was smeared on their faces and clothes or trodden under foot. But when at last they sat down to nurse their black eyes and their bleeding noses, they all said:

"Well, at any rate there's no Humbug here. We haven't let anyone take us in. The Dwarfs are for the Dwarfs."

"You see, " said Aslan. "They will not let us help them. They have chosen cunning instead of belief. Their prison is only in their own minds, yet they are in that prison; and so afraid of being taken in that they cannot be taken out. But come, children. I have other work to do."

DeathQuaker
2007-11-20, 01:51 PM
Tokiko Mima had some good advice up there. I might be repeating some of it, but hey, good advice is worth repeating.

Dear Dean,

1. I'm sorry to hear that your friend appears to be avoiding you and may be lying to you about when gaming sessions are. If I were in your shoes, I know I'd be angry and hurt about that.

There's only one way to resolve that anger and hurt, however: you need to confront your friend about it. If he acts like a jerk, then just wash your hands of the whole thing and resolve to find another group right there. You'll be better off for ending the situation sooner rather than later.

If he responds with good feedback--even if it's critical of you, but leveled in a mature manner--then listen to him. Tell him you'll keep in mind what he says, but be clear that it's NOT COOL to lie to you. Because regardless of his reasons for doing so, he's still wrong to be deceptive.

2. If the issue turns out to be a simple one of someone forgetting to tell you when the session is, then talk to your friend AND the GM and anyone else in the group you get along with about setting up a more reliable system for reminding people when games are.

For example, I keep a campaign "blog" and post the gaming schedule on that, and/or also email my players to remind them when a session is. You could suggest something like that.

Also, if you want to continue playing with this group, you may have to accept that your friend is not a reliable source of information. In fact, you may have to accept that if you want to play with this group, you're going to have to call the GM directly to find out when games sessions are. I appreciate that both you and your fellow players are very busy people--but it shouldn't be too much of an imposition on you or the others if you make a 2 minute phone call to find out when the game is.

I suggested communicating with the GM because if anyone, the GM has to know when the session is going to be. :smallsmile:

3. Your character concept isn't the business of anyone here on this board. It is, however, the business of you, your fellow players, and your GM. If it's just your friend that's ribbing you about it, then tell him to stop--and be the one with the pride and dignity to act on a higher level by not ribbing his character concept either.

As with ALL character concepts, make sure it's okay with your GM. Your friend's opinion, my opinion, and anyone here's opinion of it doesn't really matter that much, but you do need to run it by your GM if you haven't. If it doesn't fit in with his gameworld, you have two choices:

a. Work with the GM to alter the character so it does suit his campaign. If it doesn't, it's just going to make more work for you and him later on, and trust me, if you make things easier for the GM now, he'll make things easier for you later. :smallsmile:

or

b. Leave the group and find one where they will allow you to play your character as you like it. Your concept as it stands sounds better suited for a solo or small group adventure, and might work well as a Play-by-Post or Email game, where you could give your character more dedicated play.

Also, if anyone's mocking of your character is ruining the game for you, talk to the GM about it. The GM is in charge; it's his job to make sure everyone's having fun and he can act as a mediator for problems. At the same time, do your best to cooperate with the group. D&D is a social activity that focuses on teamwork. You can play a loner who is learning to work with a team--that can make for neat character development--but YOU as a PLAYER need to be willing to work with a group to make the story work for everyone in the end. Otherwise, nothing will result but argument, and no one will have fun, LEAST OF ALL, you.

If in the end you are not willing to work with other people, then maybe it's time to take a breather from gaming until you feel like doing something with a group. And that's cool. I know sometimes the last thing I want to do is deal with a bunch of people about their fantasies and uber combat builds. I take a break, write some stories about the loner characters I'm interested in, and then when I'm feeling like pen and paper gaming again, I get out my concepts that work well in group settings. Very easy to do.

Good luck and good gaming, DQ

SpikeFightwicky
2007-11-20, 02:24 PM
I'll just post a couple of thoughts on the subject:

You seem to be deliberately avoiding the constructive posts and only replying to whatever you feel is a personal attack. It makes it look like you just started this thread to 'pick a fight' (especially that comment about 'Vivi'.... that was quite far out and served no purpose other than to 'stoke the flames') and burn off some excess anger. I suggest you read (or re-read) Winterwind's reposting of Dervag's (a few posts up - rather long, but accurate) post.

Try to comment on some of the constructive posts. It'll let us know a little better about what the actual issue is, and will be infinitely more constructive than keeping this pseudo-flame war going.

Solo
2007-11-20, 02:32 PM
Solo please tone down the sarcasm. Your responses are only going to make this worse by provoking more anger and drawing more attention away from the helpful posts. This really goes for everyone one. Stop poking fun at other people and lets get this thread back towards a helpful and rational discussion.

I was never under the impression he participated in helpful or rational discussion. So far, he has been acting defensively towards criticism, without considering the positive advice that people -such as yourself- have given him.

Unless I missed a post or something, which I admit is possible.

Tweekinator
2007-11-20, 02:39 PM
I suggest you read (or re-read) Winterwind's reposting of Tengu's (a few posts up - rather long, but accurate) post.

That was actually Dervag's super helpful post, to give credit where credit is due.

Tengu is the guy who hates people that dislike anime.

Nermy
2007-11-20, 02:43 PM
Not on topic but I am pretty sure Solo's avatar is Black Mage Evilwizardington and not Vivi.

Tengu
2007-11-20, 02:47 PM
Tengu is the guy who hates people that dislike anime.

Wrong! (said in Kyon's voice, at the end of each Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu episode.)

I'm the guy who hates people who shun others for things they like. As for people who dislike anime, I only think they are misguided or have strange tastes, and prefer to show them the light.

Tweekinator
2007-11-20, 02:48 PM
Wrong! (said in Kyon's voice, at the end of each Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu episode.)

I'm the guy who hates people who shun others for things they like. As for people who dislike anime, I only think they are misguided or have strange tastes, and prefer to show them the light.

Touche, sir.

SpikeFightwicky
2007-11-20, 02:52 PM
That was actually Dervag's super helpful post, to give credit where credit is due.

Tengu is the guy who hates people that dislike anime.

Aw crap... My apologies! I'll go edit the original post.

Wait a sec, something's up... no one ever reads my posts!

Solo
2007-11-20, 02:54 PM
Not on topic but I am pretty sure Solo's avatar is Black Mage Evilwizardington and not Vivi.

*Stabs*

What gave it away? The text on the corner that reads "Black Mage"?:smalltongue:

Tweekinator
2007-11-20, 02:57 PM
*Stabs*

What gave it away? The text on the corner that reads "Black Mage"?:smalltongue:

I personally would overlook that as being too obvious and thus a blatant attempt to throw me off the trail of finding out that you are Vivi in real life.

Temp
2007-11-20, 04:31 PM
I personally would overlook that as being too obvious and thus a blatant attempt to throw me off the trail of finding out that you are Vivi in real life.I suppose one couldn't expect more from a fellow who apparently is trying to become to become a homocidal android from the future.



He is trying to be Vivi in real life.
I suppose by this reasoning, I either need to strive to become more viking-like or I need to make meself a Sherlock Holmes avatar...

Who doesn't try to become that rather dashing master of detection?

shadow_archmagi
2007-11-20, 04:33 PM
This topic makes me glad. It shows the way of the internet to give a person everything they asked for. A jerk asking for advice? Bam. Really, geniunely helpful advice they'll never read, and a ton of ridicule. Beautiful.

Tweekinator
2007-11-20, 04:37 PM
I suppose one couldn't expect more from a fellow who apparently wants to become a homocidal android from the future.

Exactly! We homicidal androids from the future know that humans try to mislead with their "obviousness" and thus have learned to ignore it as false. No more killing the wrong Sarah Conner, no sir.

PaladinFreak
2007-11-20, 05:16 PM
You might want to look at this article (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/tt/20060207a) for the effect you may be having on the game, and how to deal with it.

cupkeyk
2007-11-20, 05:28 PM
Well, if you do it that way, you don't even need the plane of metal or energy. The portal itself could be a weapon, as it very likely has no actual 'thickness' and therefore is possibly the sharpest thing in the universe. Sharper than mono-blades, which techincally have a thickness. :smallsmile:

Lolz, Actually there is a character in GK21 with this exact same ability. Nothing can be too bizarre for anime. Wait, doesn't that african american surgeon in x-men have the same power? Oh there is Mokuro from Yu Yu Hakusho, she can cut time and space using portal strings.

Illiterate Scribe
2007-11-20, 05:31 PM
Oh come on, I can do you one goofier than a final fantasy sword! A huge sword that's not actually sword, instead it's just a sword-shaped portal to a space containing metal. It's even bigger and stupider since none of the material is actually weighed to the handle, it's simply a device for projecting the portal. If you want to get even sillier, it can be a portal to some section of plane filled with "X" harmful energy. Best of all you can never hit your self or an ally with at, as the portal is attuned in such way that it warps around friendly targets!


I am most certainly stealing this for my next PbP game.

A portal to the quasielemental plane of sharpness and HP loss. Oh yes.

Temp
2007-11-20, 05:39 PM
You might want to look at this article (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/tt/20060207a) for the effect you may be having on the game, and how to deal with it. The DM and his group already had a world envisioned. The setting should not be recreated and the mood of the game should not be redecided based on the whim of one player, especially when that whim directly conflicts with the wishes of everyone else.

In this case, it's a lot easier to remove the problem than to fix it (look at the kid's reaction to people calling his character juvenile and cliche); that looks to be what this group did.

[edit:]Because we're nearing a new page, Dervag's post will likely be quoted again. Whoever does that (if it happens), could it be spoilered this time?

undercat
2007-11-20, 06:15 PM
I gotta say, I find this thread hilarious. And unlike many of you, I see no real reason to coddle an overly antagonistic emo 15 year old fanboy with a martyr complex. He abrogated any right he had to polite deference when he started flaming people. You reap what you sow, you lie in the bed you make, flame and you will be flamed.

@Dean:

Your character sucks. He really does. He's even more pathetic than the real Cloud Strife, and frankly that says a lot.

Take a deep breath.

You are not your character. Your character is not you. It's a hard and somewhat difficult lesson to learn, but anyone who engages in creative endeavors must (and yes, role-playing is included in that category. In fact, it's even more important to separate yourself from your creation when you're roleplaying. How would you take it if the DM was running a rather deadly campaign, and you died? Or if other bad things happened to your character. Moreover, do you plan on making the same exact character every campaign you play? That gets boring pretty fast, and the other people in your group will be annoyed with you.

Which brings us to another point. D&D, all tabletop rpgs really, are at their heart team games. They're social. If you hate and resent the other players (and you're coming across as if you do), I doubt you'll find the game rewarding. Nor will the other players particularily enjoy playing with you. I know I sure wouldn't, same with the people I play with. Of course, we'd prolly also tell you you're not welcome back, but whatever.

Also, as a general rule, when someone says something you don't agree with, or gives you advise you don't think is good, you first consider said advise. It may actually be good, and you're overlooking something. But if you still find it of no use, then you smile politely, say "thank you", and go do your own thing and forget about it.

I'm not going to tell you what to do about the game itself. Other people have been more than helpful. I will give you advise that will help both in this situation and those to come: grow up, and stop whining.

Edit: why can't forums just use html? Edited for bolding.

Stormcrow
2007-11-20, 06:35 PM
Actually, he's the future of Australia, according to his location tag. :smallbiggrin:

Hey... don't pin it on us.

Ralfarius
2007-11-20, 07:27 PM
I can empathize with the OP. We've all been teenagers, at one point or another, and a great many of us have had these same feelings of persecution, loneliness, etc. We all used to 'know it all' and any sort of criticism (constructive or otherwise) was viewed as an attack on our character. What people said on the internet used to get us riled up (some of us still do). Before you launch another volley at this fellow who is lashing out, remember what it was like being young on the internet.

That being said, I do not condone the OP's actions in any way, shape, or form. He's completely ignored good advice and hyper-focused on any (not unwarranted) fun-making that's been poked in his direction.

In closing:

Seriously, read Dervag's Post (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3536851&postcount=68). No, seriously. Read it.

Read it.

Also, take the advice. Sooner or later, you'll realize how helpful it actually is.

shadow_archmagi
2007-11-20, 07:59 PM
Hey, I'm 15. I know it sucks.

But currently my biggest source of angst and crimson woe is my inability to beat the brains out of people like him. He ain't got no right to act like that.

Azerian Kelimon
2007-11-20, 08:04 PM
Minds akin, anybody? I also want to beat the snot right out of some idiots with whom I had to go throught a "grin and bear it" process through the whole year. Get over it.

The Linker
2007-11-20, 08:32 PM
Hey, I'm 15. I know it sucks.

But currently my biggest source of angst and crimson woe is my inability to beat the brains out of people like him. He ain't got no right to act like that.

*Wonders who 'him' refers to* :smallconfused:

Raroy
2007-11-20, 09:54 PM
One thing I would like to clear up:

Anime is not all Shonen stupidity. Fight anime is popular because.......It's like......I have no idea. Its for people with shallow taste that like flashy simple things. Anyway there are different genre of anime because it is a medium of itself. There are good Comedy/Romance/SciFi(Maybe?)/ETC Anime out there that have nothing to do with Giant swords and poorly written angst.


Now that I have cleared that little tidbit.......Your character is awful and interferes with with others play style. It is filled with horrid clichés and wouldn't make for a fun mess around character. Your own personality isn't much to care for either.

There is a lot of wisdom in the previous posts. Maybe if would take your time to think over what those people who have taken their time to give you advice to better yourself instead of causing a giant fest of flaming you could have learned something. People hate for the sake of hating, but people can also care for the sake of caring.

I flamed you a little so you could respond to my post with feeble minded and foolish words. It's a shame really. You remind me of myself, although I am far more insolent and arrogant.

Dervag
2007-11-20, 10:01 PM
I suppose by this reasoning, I either need to strive to become more viking-like or I need to make meself a Sherlock Holmes avatar...

Who doesn't try to become that rather dashing master of detection?I, for one, do not wish to become addicted to cocaine.


In closing:

Seriously, read Dervag's Post (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3536851&postcount=68). No, seriously. Read it.

Read it.

Also, take the advice. Sooner or later, you'll realize how helpful it actually is.You know, I don't think I've ever received so much approval in such a short time span from people whom I would reasonably consider experts in the field.

AKA_Bait
2007-11-20, 10:11 PM
You reap what you sow, you lie in the bed you make, flame and you will be flamed.

Some of us perfer to turn the other cheek. What was that thing about an eye for an eye making the whole world blind...


I will give you advise that will help both in this situation and those to come: grow up, and stop whining.

Yes. Of course! If only more people phrased it that way the entire world would listen! :smallannoyed:


Hey, I'm 15. I know it sucks.

But currently my biggest source of angst and crimson woe is my inability to beat the brains out of people like him. He ain't got no right to act like that.

True. I'm glad that you keep that impuse in check. Some of them learn and grow out of it. Wisdom comes quickly to few but slowly and with suffering to most.


There is a lot of wisdom in the previous posts. Maybe if would take your time to think over what those people who have taken their time to give you advice to better yourself instead of causing a giant fest of flaming you could have learned something. People hate for the sake of hating, but people can also care for the sake of caring.


QFT

Serpentine
2007-11-20, 10:21 PM
Hey... don't pin it on us.
*snicker-smirk*
>waits for a response - any response - from Dean<

Rolaran
2007-11-20, 10:52 PM
Guys, I doubt any response from Dean is forthcoming. He has not posted in two pages, and most likely the reason is this.

After reading several pages of mixed advice and abuse, and choosing (unwisely) to dwell on the abuse and ignore the advice, he has gotten fed up and quit paying attention.

Which is a crying shame, because a lot of the advice received has been stellar.

As a result, the abusers have become bored and begun riffing on each other, and the advisers have given up trying to help someone who won't be helped.

However, if Dean is paying attention, he should know that there is an easy way to turn this around.

Just read any of the attempts at helping you (I recommend Dervag's various posts, as have many before me) and write a post acknowledging that you comprehend some part of it.


No offence, but that was wear I stopped reading, I'm trying to make a Guy with a Huge Sword like Cloud's, who is a loner (which from what I read on Wikipedia is every male Final Fantasy character), He is trying to be Vivi in real life.

Quibbling over semantics is not helpful. Lambasting other posters is not helpful. If you want help, this is how you can show it.


Thank you Dervag, for taking the time to offer your advice instead of just being mean. What you're saying about being a main character is something I hadn't thought of before, really my character is designed to be a cool protagonist instead of working in a team.

It's pretty clear that they don't want to play the way I want. I guess I should try to find a new group if I don't want to change the way I play, or talk to the DM about how to bring a more serious character into the game.

Something like that. Just prove you were paying attention, and offer a reasonable, well thought out response to one or more of the points people have raised. Those of us who trying to help will do our best to work with you on this, but please meet us halfway.

Temp
2007-11-20, 11:21 PM
Guys, I doubt any response from Dean is forthcoming. He has not posted in two pages, and most likely the reason is this....Actually, I think it's mostly a time zones thing. We cranked out two pages within probably 13 hours. Most people only spend a couple on these sites.

But y'know... whatever reason floats yer boat and all that...

Rolaran
2007-11-20, 11:27 PM
Actually, I think it's mostly a time zones thing. We cranked out two pages within probably 13 hours. Most people only spend a couple on these sites.

But y'know... whatever reason floats yer boat and all that...

*blink blink*... *examines the timestamps*... *facepalm*

Duh...

Leave it to me to jump to the most dramatic conclusion available, conveniently ignoring basic information about geography and timekeeping.

Feel free to ignore the first five lines of my previous post.

VerdugoExplode
2007-11-20, 11:36 PM
Well if we wanted a really dramatic excuse for a lack of posting we could always say

"Dean, in an epiphany of introspection, realized all that was wrong with his character. The cliches, the stereotyping, all of it and in a fit of rage set forth on a long journey. A journey to find the answer to all of his questions, one which would take him across the seas and over the mountains seeking enlightenment from the great role playing gurus of our age. They would deliver unto him sage advice much akin to the helpful posters here, and he would create his character anew. Not one who would elicit groans from his fellow players but a character that would fill them with a sense of awe. Carefully balanced and possessing a complex nature he breathes life into his character in a way that few can, giving it habits, idiosyncrasies, virtues and vices it seems to be have a life of its own. Armed with this character he kicks down the door of his old play group and shows them his character sheet along with a small back story and they can see that Dean has changed. He has thrown of the shackles of banality and armed himself with perseverance and imagination, no longer the boy wanting to act out his angst filled life he is now a man on a mission to change the world."

There could be ninjas involved too.

Temp
2007-11-20, 11:38 PM
"Dean, in an epiphany of introspection, realized all that was wrong with his character. The cliches, the stereotyping, all of it and in a fit of rage set forth on a long journey. A journey to find the answer to all of his questions, one which would take him across the seas and over the mountains seeking enlightenment from the great role playing gurus of our age. They would deliver unto him sage advice much akin to the helpful posters here, and he would create his character anew. Not one who would elicit groans from his fellow players but a character that would fill them with a sense of awe. Carefully balanced and possessing a complex nature he breathes life into his character in a way that few can, giving it habits, idiosyncrasies, virtues and vices it seems to be have a life of its own. Armed with this character he kicks down the door of his old play group and shows them his character sheet along with a small back story and they can see that Dean has changed. He has thrown of the shackles of banality and armed himself with perseverance and imagination, no longer the boy wanting to act out his angst filled life he is now a man on a mission to change the world."

...and to scrounge the funds to pay for that door! Cue dramatic Orchestral swell

Dean Fellithor
2007-11-21, 12:39 AM
Well if we wanted a really dramatic excuse for a lack of posting we could always say

"Dean, in an epiphany of introspection, realized all that was wrong with his character. The cliches, the stereotyping, all of it and in a fit of rage set forth on a long journey. A journey to find the answer to all of his questions, one which would take him across the seas and over the mountains seeking enlightenment from the great role playing gurus of our age. They would deliver unto him sage advice much akin to the helpful posters here, and he would create his character anew. Not one who would elicit groans from his fellow players but a character that would fill them with a sense of awe. Carefully balanced and possessing a complex nature he breathes life into his character in a way that few can, giving it habits, idiosyncrasies, virtues and vices it seems to be have a life of its own. Armed with this character he kicks down the door of his old play group and shows them his character sheet along with a small back story and they can see that Dean has changed. He has thrown of the shackles of banality and armed himself with perseverance and imagination, no longer the boy wanting to act out his angst filled life he is now a man on a mission to change the world."

There could be ninjas involved too.

#Facepalm# I'm gonna cut you, you mocking Bastard.

Rolaran
2007-11-21, 12:46 AM
See, now, this is what I'm talking about. This is the problem.

Verdugo, I understand that your intent was to entertain, but you're only making things worse.

As for you Dean... you ignored the advice Dervag, I and others have offered, electing to zero in on a joking satirical comment.

Your foolishness is beginning to try my patience.

EDIT: That's "you-plural". As in "both of you". As in "both of you smarten up and act like reasonable people."

Dean Fellithor
2007-11-21, 12:47 AM
See, now, this is what I'm talking about. This is the problem.

Verdugo, I understand that your intent was to entertain, but you're only making things worse.

As for you Dean... you ignored the advice Dervag, I and others have offered, electing to zero in on a joking satirical comment.

Your foolishness is beginning to try my patience.

Well then go cry, I don't care any more, goodbye all of you, you wont be missed.

Dervag
2007-11-21, 12:47 AM
#Facepalm# I'm gonna cut you, you mocking Bastard.Is that all you have to say about the past two pages?

All?

OK, I'm going to have to ask you this:

Dean, were you ever actually interested in hearing any responses on this thread, or are you just picking insulting posts to respond to with more insults? Why did you even start the thread if you didn't plan to listen to or pay any attention to the people who were trying to give you advice in good faith?

VerdugoExplode
2007-11-21, 12:51 AM
Alright alright, I'll stop.

Seriously though, my comments aside, there have been oodles of very helpful, informative and sympathetic posts and while Dervag's is arguably the most inclusive of all the things that make D&D an entertaining experience the majority of people here are only trying to help and it would behoove you to read them and even take them to heart. Nothing they've said has shown any malice and many people have probably been in a similar situation but managed to persevere.

According to the internet(which is never wrong) behoove is in fact spelled correctly, or at least correctly for the area I am in.

Matthew
2007-11-21, 12:56 AM
Is that the American spelling of behove or are you in error, VerdugoExplode?

Also, welcome back, Dean. How are things with you today? Have you given any more thought to your problem or decided on a course of action?

Temp
2007-11-21, 01:01 AM
Is that the American spelling of Behove or are you in error? Huh, I've been speaking English (er... Yank*?) for more than 20 years and I never caught that spelling disparity. But yeah, that's spelled "correctly."


*As opposed to Canuck. I moved across the border recently and I'm still not certain how they--how we--spell.

Yami
2007-11-21, 01:15 AM
Well then go cry, I don't care any more, goodbye all of you, you wont be missed.

How apt. I am sorry we could not help him, but mayhaps others may read this thread and, seeing it from the third person, may take to heart the important lessons we were trying to impart. Oh and my apologies for not ripping on the OP or applauding some of the well said, but snarky comments. I had been hoping to get a point across by appearing as non hostile, but sadly he seems to only see hostility. Like minds I must suppose.

Well a good day then to all, and it was a pleasure watching you bait him, if a bit unsportsman like.

Rolaran
2007-11-21, 01:19 AM
...aaaand it appears that Dean has left the thread entirely, announced his intention not to visit this forum for at least a week, and changed his sig to a vague threat against "all that mocked him".

What a shame.

Well, see you in other threads, playgrounders.

Fhaolan
2007-11-21, 01:19 AM
Huh, I've been speaking English (er... Yank*?) for more than 20 years and I never caught that spelling disparity. But yeah, that's spelled "correctly."


*As opposed to Canuck. I moved across the border recently and I'm still not certain how they--how *we*--spell.

Being also a Canuck, currently living in the States, I can honestly say that we get the best of both worlds. We can spell it either way and be right. :smallbiggrin:

Matthew
2007-11-21, 01:27 AM
According to the internet(which is never wrong) behoove is in fact spelled correctly, or at least correctly for the area I am in.

According to Word, behove is English (United Kingdom) and behoove is English (United States). Looks like there's a good chance that your location is accurate.


Huh, I've been speaking English (er... Yank*?) for more than 20 years and I never caught that spelling disparity. But yeah, that's spelled "correctly."

*As opposed to Canuck. I moved across the border recently and I'm still not certain how they--how *we*--spell.

Heh, so many of these words - skilful and skillful, defence and defense, etc... some I agree with and some just plain annoy me. I'd be willing to bet that behove and behoove are due to different pronunciations.

Toxic Avenger
2007-11-21, 02:45 AM
Is that all you have to say about the past two pages?

All?

OK, I'm going to have to ask you this:

Dean, were you ever actually interested in hearing any responses on this thread, or are you just picking insulting posts to respond to with more insults? Why did you even start the thread if you didn't plan to listen to or pay any attention to the people who were trying to give you advice in good faith?Sadly, it appears that he has had a similar lesson in accepting advice and criticism (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2777261#post2777261) a few months back, but hasn't learned anything from it. :smallsigh:

At any rate, kudos to you Dervag, and everyone else who tried to give him helpful advice.

Charity
2007-11-21, 03:47 AM
And lo we cast our seeds on stony ground.

Freelance Henchman
2007-11-21, 05:23 AM
Well then go cry, I don't care any more, goodbye all of you, you wont be missed.

Not a Vague threat, it's something I do daily after any situation: Currently Inactive until he thinks up reasonable non-internet related revenge tactics on all that mocked him in that thread.
see this link for details

What's that old adage, "No good deed goes unpunished?". Sorry for all you folks who tried to help this fellow, he's going to go ninja deathstrike on your arses for your trouble.

Oy, what a world.

Azerian Kelimon
2007-11-21, 06:28 AM
Well, we can always have uncanny dodge against him now.


Also, this thread has help determine that Dervag's class progression is a critmonkey build whose crit multiplier is based off of exploding d20's. With the post-of-the-year, he probably got 8 explodin' die, plus the swash's insightful strike ability, plus a Weapon Master's smite, plus a 2e Kensai' Kai ability.

Freelance Henchman
2007-11-21, 07:04 AM
Also, this thread has help determine that Dervag's class progression is a critmonkey build whose crit multiplier is based off of exploding d20's. With the post-of-the-year, he probably got 8 explodin' die, plus the swash's insightful strike ability, plus a Weapon Master's smite, plus a 2e Kensai' Kai ability.

Bah, I bet he's a glass cannon though. Low AC, no DR, no melee buffs, and probably not a lot of HP either.

Azerian Kelimon
2007-11-21, 07:05 AM
In other words, the equivalent of a wizzo or a heedless shocktrooper.

Serpentine
2007-11-21, 07:12 AM
Well then go cry, I don't care any more, goodbye all of you, you wont be missed.
The irony, it burns.

Sadly, it appears that he has had a similar lesson in accepting advice and criticism (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2777261#post2777261) a few months back, but hasn't learned anything from it. :smallsigh:
Whoa. Look at all the "Banned"s :smalleek: :smallconfused:

V ...ew.

Mr.Moron
2007-11-21, 07:17 AM
The irony, it burns.

Fun Fact: Irony isn't actually responsible for the burning sensation that usually accompanies it. The feeling is actually caused by small mites that feed on the irony, and then burrow into the surrounding area to lay their eggs.

Azerian Kelimon
2007-11-21, 07:22 AM
Seeing as Dean quitted, I propose we hijack the thread for another purpose.


Following my previous post about Dervag, how would you stat a fellow forum member? Here are a pair o' examples:


Solo: Ari1 (For the calm and composed manners)/Rogue19(With feats maximizing crippling strike. Those jokes are a-killin'!)//Wizard20


Fax: Archivist56(If Fax doesn't know it, it doesn't exist. Alternatively, Fax is a new Boccob).

Freelance Henchman
2007-11-21, 07:32 AM
I have at least one level of Fiendish Troll Paragon. Or so I've been told.

Keld Denar
2007-11-21, 07:46 AM
How does that old adage go?

You can lead a horse to water, but its much easier to lead him to the glue factory?

You have the makings of a self-imposed long and difficult journey ahead of you, young Dean. I wish you good luck, God's speed, and open ears and mind.

Any chance we can get a lock on this thread now? I think its served its purpose.

Epic_Wizard
2007-11-21, 08:17 AM
Ditto and Dean I would appreciate it if you would PM some of us that were attempting to offer helpful advice with your comments, responses, and criticisms. We would be hypocrites if we were unwilling to listen to your critiques of our words and actions.

Tweekinator
2007-11-21, 09:23 AM
Well then go cry, I don't care any more, goodbye all of you, you wont be missed.

To be fair, we are the ones staying here and you are the one leaving.(and perhaps crying)

Freelance Henchman
2007-11-21, 09:27 AM
To be fair, we are the ones staying here and you are the one leaving.(and perhaps crying)

Aren't Australians supposed to be jolly or something? Or at least, kinda laid back? Huh, so much for stereotypes.

Mr.Moron
2007-11-21, 09:32 AM
Huh, so much for stereotypes.

Isn't it the truth? I only recently found that the Australian division of the Mattel Inc. doesn't have any connections to the sea food industry. I was shocked to say the least.

Freelance Henchman
2007-11-21, 09:36 AM
Isn't it the truth? I only recently found that the Australian division of the Mattel Inc. doesn't have any connections to the sea food industry. I was shocked to say the least.

Frankly, I've found the Australian practice of covering plastic dolls in perfectly good seafood more than a little suspicious. What is that supposed to ACCOMPLISH?

Azerian Kelimon
2007-11-21, 09:37 AM
Frankly, I've found the Australian practice of covering plastic dolls in perfectly good seafood more than a little suspicious. What is that supposed to ACCOMPLISH?

Soviet Russia!


That's the real accomplishment!

Green Bean
2007-11-21, 09:49 AM
Being also a Canuck, currently living in the States, I can honestly say that we get the best of both worlds. We can spell it either way and be right. :smallbiggrin:

It isn't all good, you know. Sure, teachers don't mind which way you spell it, but you have to be consistent. Which is annoying, because it means you have to remember and separate both kinds of spelling. "Okay, I used the word 'colour' two paragraphs ago; which version of skillful do I use? Or ageing? Why did I make this essay about counsellors at the theatre teaching bad behaviours!?!"

Tyger
2007-11-21, 09:55 AM
It isn't all good, you know. Sure, teachers don't mind which way you spell it, but you have to be consistent. Which is annoying, because it means you have to remember and separate both kinds of spelling. "Okay, I used the word 'colour' two paragraphs ago; which version of skillful do I use? Or ageing? Why did I make this essay about counsellors at the theatre teaching bad behaviours!?!"

QFT. Damned multiple spellings of so very many words. Nothing worse than having an armoured knight smite your cleric, his sword shearing through your armor and leaving you grievously wounded. :)

LordVader
2007-11-21, 09:57 AM
This is a shame, really. You had some great advice and you chose to ignore it, and let some taunts make you lose your cool. I don't even want to know how much time Dervag spent making that post, and you just wasted it. It's a shame, really.

I also found it disturbing how you tell people like Dervag who poured a lot of time and effort into helping you to go away, and that "they won't be missed". Unfortunately, your attitude has made it so you'll be the one who isn't missed. You really do have to learn to have a thick skin on the Internet, as the CAD Funny Pics/Gifs thread could tell you, the Internet is not serious business.:smalltongue:

And Australia is cool. They had Steve Irwin. RIP.:smallfrown:

Ralfarius
2007-11-21, 10:05 AM
Dean... Don't do this to us. We only wanted to help. :smallfrown:

Sure, some of us were more biting in their commentary, but we're only human. We know you want to do good, but you have to help us help you!

Hopefully you'll be able to read this post before it gets swallowed up in several pages of chit-chat. I know the only way to reach you is to show you that I'm hurting to. Hurting, because you hurt me. And everyone here. With your words... On the internet.

:<

LordVader
2007-11-21, 10:08 AM
You could try PMing him, that's harder to ignore.
I also find his sig somewhat unsettling. I think the problem here may be his personality, no offense. If you idolize someone who's basically a depressed sociopath, and think that "other people just can't keep up with me", people aren't going to want to hang out with you. Speaking as a teenager, I know I wouldn't.

Just try to lighten up a litte, Dean. Your character has potential to become a "humorous" one like the group plays, you just need to make his personality a little better.


Also, I'm not really hurt by his words, I just feel bad for him because he's idolizing someone that is a horrible idol. Going through life as a sociopath isn't fun, you need friends.

Azerian Kelimon
2007-11-21, 10:12 AM
QFT.


After being treated like a freak by fellow child-idiots up to highschool, I can say as an authority, friends are REALLY. ****IN'. PRECIOUS! You can't waste their friendship, since real friends are few and far between.

Freelance Henchman
2007-11-21, 10:19 AM
Also, I'm not really hurt by his words, I just feel bad for him because he's idolizing someone that is a horrible idol. Going through life as a sociopath isn't fun, you need friends.

He didn't seem to want friends to have fun with, but rather an audience to show off his angst-ness. When they understandably broke off contact, he pouted because he didn't get to be the star of his one-man show. Sorry, but that seems the truth of the situation. Getting angry at those trying to help by pointing this out and trying to convince him that it's not a good idea... well, enjoy that attitude of yours in solitude then, buddy.

Oh, and threating violence for trying to help him? Extra Classy.

Illiterate Scribe
2007-11-21, 10:21 AM
#Facepalm# I'm gonna cut you, you mocking Bastard.


Not a Vague threat, it's something I do daily after any situation: Currently Inactive until he thinks up reasonable non-internet related revenge tactics on all that mocked him in that thread.

This is the internet - it is not serious business. Please, please, please, do not threaten people in real life. I'm not trying to play mod here, this is just advice from one human to another - step back, cool off, and just remember that all of this is merely a silly DnD forum on the internet (:smalleek: There! I said it!:smallwink: ), and don't get worked up about it.

PM me if you would like to talk more - I'm sure you feel angry at your treatment here, but don't let that anger consume you.

For goodness' sake, I sound like Yoda.

Leadfeathermcc
2007-11-21, 10:37 AM
He didn't seem to want friends to have fun with, but rather an audience to show off his angst-ness. When they understandably broke off contact, he pouted because he didn't get to be the star of his one-man show.

Perhaps they should have introduced him to post-modern French philosopy.

http://saintgasoline.com/comics/2007-04-22-PostModern_Angst.JPG

Illiterate Scribe
2007-11-21, 10:48 AM
Perhaps they should have introduced him to post-modern French philosopy.

http://saintgasoline.com/comics/2007-04-22-PostModern_Angst.JPG

While I must confess that I lol'd, perhaps this is vindicating him?

Also, the philosophy's wrong. Postmodernists would luuuurve to be caught in a juxtapository textual situation that, by the combination of two different and seemingly irreconcilable anti-realist 'truths', could combine to either for a synthesis (which would then allow us to proceed down a dialectic route) or in order to break down old memetic and cultural edifices.

:smallbiggrin:

Keld Denar
2007-11-21, 10:59 AM
While I must confess that I lol'd, perhaps this is vindicating him?

Also, the philosophy's wrong. Postmodernists would luuuurve to be caught in a juxtapository textual situation that, by the combination of two different and seemingly irreconcilable anti-realist 'truths', could combine to either for a synthesis (which would then allow us to proceed down a dialectic route) or in order to break down old memetic and cultural edifices.

:smallbiggrin:

You've blinded me with rhetoric.

Winterwind
2007-11-21, 11:06 AM
Well, the only good thing I see about his new signature is that when he comes back to make a list of those "people who mocked him" he will have to go much more thoroughly over the entire thread than he cared to do so far, and thus maybe, perhaps, chances are, notice some of the more benevolent posts.

I think the trouble is that, in his anger, he never read the thread at all, but only replied to the hindmost post and left it at that.

Dean, none of the people here have mocked you. Some were giving you genuinely helpful advice, others were just stating there opinion on the situation - some more bluntly than others. What, would you have preferred if they lied to you? If you are not interested in the truth to begin with, don't ask for it.

VerdugoExplode
2007-11-21, 11:08 AM
Er, how into final fantasy are we talking about here. As in "I am currently enjoying a final fantasy rpg at the moment when not otherwise doing/avoiding homework" or "Guys! Final Fantasy is the best game in the history of creation! I'm going to make a guy who wears a black trench coat with a 7 foot long sword! I'll name him resiphroth!" Also, how big is the great cleaver in question, less than or greater than 5 feet in length?

I would like to point out that I saw this coming from the beginning, the second reply actually, and as such should clearly have levels in something with foresight, maybe a cleric with an appropriate domain. Is mocking a domain?

Also, now that he's apparently out to get a few of us how would one go about protecting themselves from an angst filled teenager? Any advice would be helpful.

Freelance Henchman
2007-11-21, 11:13 AM
Also, now that he's apparently out to get a few of us how would one go about protecting themselves from an angst filled teenager? Any advice would be helpful.

Buy a Swordsman's Belt perhaps? You'll need some DR vs. slashing in case he decides to hit you with his giant greatsword.

Leadfeathermcc
2007-11-21, 11:13 AM
While I must confess that I lol'd, perhaps this is vindicating him?
Not really. If I had posted this right after his first post perhaps, but he had 8 pages to prove or disprove any conclusions people had formed.


Also, the philosophy's wrong. Postmodernists would luuuurve to be caught in a juxtapository textual situation that, by the combination of two different and seemingly irreconcilable anti-realist 'truths', could combine to either for a synthesis (which would then allow us to proceed down a dialectic route) or in order to break down old memetic and cultural edifices.
:smallbiggrin:

Dammit Scribe! I design and layout theological books for a living, and I don't read them. You can't expect me to read and understand post-modern French philosophy just to make a joke. :smallwink:

Fawsto
2007-11-21, 11:15 AM
Can we all ask for this thing to be forgotten?

We tryed to help... We failed. As my DM likes to say "Not every Diplomacy Check brings what you want". Lets be patient, pehaps he will understand given the time.

I hope these things cease to occur... Flame wars just suck.

banjo1985
2007-11-21, 11:15 AM
The biggest shame about this is that this guy has contributed helpfully to number of threads, most recently a WW game in SMBG. But he does seem to react to criticism in a less than wholesome manner.

I for one read Dervag's post, and damn fine it was too, it's just a shame that it didn't reach who needed it.

The Linker
2007-11-21, 11:25 AM
Well, a good point was brought up a while back. This thead WILL help other people who read it with a third-person view. It reinforces the fact that it's not really a well-respected idea to make a character designed after a person from an anime, that it's almost never a good idea to make a loner character, and so forth. Even for people that did know that, it still strengthens the idea and lets people know their characters are a bad idea, before they start creating them.

I hope someone has PMed poor Dean. I'm sure lots of people have, actually. They're probably rotting away unread, or deleted.

You'd think that other thread, combined with this one, would give him the impression that maybe if all his threads asking for advice turn out like this, he's doing something wrong...?

You know, I know someone I used to hang out with at school who's EXACTLY like what we've seen of Dean. Anime fan, likes Cloud, hasn't played any of the games, LOVES Kingdom Hearts, does not accept praise but gets very angry at criticism... it all fits, except for the Australian part. Maybe he moved when I wasn't looking. :smalleek:

loopy
2007-11-21, 11:31 AM
I'd just like to post and say that, as a Youth leader, I appreciated your comments and advice to the young (I'm only 20, but its all relative) lad. Most of it was extremely well founded and not condescending in the slightest.

However, if there is one thing I've learned as a Youth leader it is that sometimes teenagers won't listen to any advice at all until they've thought it over by themselves... and pretended they came up with the idea.

Well, truth be told, thats the second thing I learned as a Youth Leader. The first thing I learned was not to buy alcohol for teenagers. :smallfrown: That was a bad couple of weeks.

Setra
2007-11-21, 11:38 AM
The only thing that annoys me is he's probably going to complain to kids at school

"Whaa those people at GitP are stupid because they don't understand what I'm talking about and insulted me for no reason"

Ticks me off.

Dervag
2007-11-21, 11:41 AM
What's that old adage, "No good deed goes unpunished?". Sorry for all you folks who tried to help this fellow, he's going to go ninja deathstrike on your arses for your trouble.

Oy, what a world.There is no punishment, only inanity.


Bah, I bet he's a glass cannon though. Low AC, no DR, no melee buffs, and probably not a lot of HP either.Ironically, I chose this screenname because it was the name of a barbarian I played once, briefly, and liked a lot.


This is a shame, really. You had some great advice and you chose to ignore it, and let some taunts make you lose your cool. I don't even want to know how much time Dervag spent making that post, and you just wasted it. It's a shame, really.Less than you'd think; it flowed naturally once I got started.


I also found it disturbing how you tell people like Dervag who poured a lot of time and effort into helping you to go away, and that "they won't be missed".Well, I won't be missed by him, it appears; which doesn't bother me very much because I'm not sure he knows who to miss and who not to miss. It's sort of like being condemned for being too normal by Michael Jackson- it doesn't actually mean you're doing something wrong.


Also, the philosophy's wrong. Postmodernists would luuuurve to be caught in a juxtapository textual situation that, by the combination of two different and seemingly irreconcilable anti-realist 'truths', could combine to either for a synthesis (which would then allow us to proceed down a dialectic route) or in order to break down old memetic and cultural edifices.

:smallbiggrin:I sense that this is sort of like falling into a vat of cream would be for a cat?


Dean, none of the people here have mocked you. Some were giving you genuinely helpful advice, others were just stating there opinion on the situation - some more bluntly than others. What, would you have preferred if they lied to you? If you are not interested in the truth to begin with, don't ask for it.I think the key variable is respect. Some people respected him and tried to offer him certain types of advice in a conciliatory tone. Others did not respect him and offered similar advice, but in a critical tone.


I would like to point out that I saw this coming from the beginningYou did. I'll grant that.


Also, now that he's apparently out to get a few of us how would one go about protecting themselves from an angst filled teenager? Any advice would be helpful.Inertia is your friend; angst does not normally lead to activity, being an intrinsically passive emotion.


does not accept praise but gets very angry at criticism... it all fits, except for the Australian part. Maybe he moved when I wasn't looking. :smalleek:I'd call it "does not perceive praise," not "does not accept praise." He gives no sign of accepting or rejecting complimentary statements or serious advice; he simply behaves as if it does not exist.

Fhaolan
2007-11-21, 11:46 AM
I would like to point out that I saw this coming from the beginning, the second reply actually, and as such should clearly have levels in something with foresight, maybe a cleric with an appropriate domain. Is mocking a domain?

Also, now that he's apparently out to get a few of us how would one go about protecting themselves from an angst filled teenager? Any advice would be helpful.

:smallbiggrin: Since we're currently in the same state, we could always band together, circle the wagons, and so on.

Not that it's overly likely that he can afford a plane ticket to the states in order to 'enact his revenge'. He did specify a 'non-internet' revenge, which leaves something in snailmail, or physically coming over here.

The last time some nitwit got so upset with me on the internet to 'vow revenge', he did indeed actually physically came to back it up (This was long ago when I was still living in the Toronto area [Canada]). Eighteen-year-old, very cocky and all that. Unfortunately he picked the *exact* wrong time to show up at my door. I was having a get-together with some of my friends, which included three off-duty police officers, two armed forces people on leave, and a bunch of other people. He was arrested and shipped back to Florida where he came from. :smallsmile:

Roland St. Jude
2007-11-21, 11:51 AM
Sheriff of Moddingham: Thread locked for review. (I doubt this one will be back.)

Freelance Henchman
2007-11-21, 11:51 AM
The last time some nitwit got so upset with me on the internet to 'vow revenge', he did indeed actually physically came to back it up

That actually happens!? What did you say to him to create that reaction?

Keld Denar
2007-11-21, 11:53 AM
I would like to point out that I saw this coming from the beginning, the second reply actually, and as such should clearly have levels in something with foresight, maybe a cleric with an appropriate domain. Is mocking a domain?

Also, now that he's apparently out to get a few of us how would one go about protecting themselves from an angst filled teenager? Any advice would be helpful.

2nd Ed had a spell called "Protection from Negative Energy". That would be a good place to start. I for one would want to protect myself from the negative energy he seems to have promised in his sig.

The Linker
2007-11-21, 01:08 PM
I'd call it "does not perceive praise," not "does not accept praise." He gives no sign of accepting or rejecting complimentary statements or serious advice; he simply behaves as if it does not exist.

Yeah, that's true. I was in a rush when I made that post :smalltongue:

Darth Mario
2007-11-21, 01:17 PM
Sheriff of Moddingham: Thread locked for review. (I doubt this one will be back.)

So, you already finished reviewing it, or did you just miss the lock button?

LordVader
2007-11-21, 01:30 PM
The only thing that annoys me is he's probably going to complain to kids at school

"Whaa those people at GitP are stupid because they don't understand what I'm talking about and insulted me for no reason"

Ticks me off.

Probably is. Speaking as one, teenagers always think they're right.:smallbiggrin:

Especially the kind of teenager he seems to be. Really, a loner character in a game that is inherently team-based isn't gonna work out. :P
The sad thing is that it seems his character could easily have been adopted for the funny campaign they're running if he (the char) just lost the "emo" attitude.

And I don't think he knows where Valenia V is, so I'm alright.:smallbiggrin:

Solo
2007-11-21, 01:32 PM
#Facepalm# I'm gonna cut you, you mocking Bastard.

Good luck buying a plane ticket, with gas prices up so high.



Ditto and Dean I would appreciate it if you would PM some of us that were attempting to offer helpful advice with your comments, responses, and criticisms. We would be hypocrites if we were unwilling to listen to your critiques of our words and actions.
Your maturity is indeed commendable, but I fear your effort may be wasted.


Also, now that he's apparently out to get a few of us how would one go about protecting themselves from an angst filled teenager? Any advice would be helpful.
Well, I can always do this (http://img403.imageshack.us/my.php?image=firebending2jx4.jpg) if I have to.